It asks me for a password, also, even though I tried to enter through "other". Kathy on 4/19/04 7:31 PM, ExHillbilly@aol.com at ExHillbilly@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/19/2004 9:56:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > cind@st-tel.net writes: > need to know the password to log on.........thanks > **** Click on OTHER..... not the link to librarians. You don't need a > password for "OTHER." It's free for this week. (It worked for me.) > > http://libraryweek.galedemo.com/itshere.htm > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the "NEW" Historical & Genealogical Society of Indiana Co. website. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paicgs/ >

need to know the password to log on.........thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: <ExHillbilly@aol.com> To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:22 PM Subject: [INDIANA] Free database access > During National Library week, Thomson Gale, known around the world for > information integrity, honors the nation's libraries by hosting a free-for-all -- > FREE, UNLIMITED ACCESS to 24 diverse databases during National Library Week, > April 18 - 24. > > There may be some databases which contain useful information for some of you. > Check out this link up through April 24. > > http://libraryweek.galedemo.com/itshere.htm > > > > > Sue > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > List problems??? > Email the listowner <PAINDIAN-admin@rootsweb.com> > > >

tshu, Yes, that is the map, (the Whiteside 1817 Map), I'm talking about. I only wanted to persue one at a time. I've been to both internet sites, but haven't really dug to see where to get these maps from. If the information is at your fingertips, do you have their address or phone #. I want to buy that Peelor Map or the CD. I'm trying to decide which will work best for me. Now from what I've read about that Whiteside map, I believe that it also shows the property owners within the Township. This map is also worth perusing, and I would also like to have a copy of it too. So, is their address or phone number handy? (If not, I will go looking for it.) thanks, -Gary T. Gibson

I have a copy of Wilhelm Siee Loeser, who was my great grandfather's enemy alien registration card. It lists Graceton, Indiana county, Pa as his residence in 1918. Can somebody help me locate where the information on registered aliens might be? Also, has anyone heard of Paul Wilhelm Siee, Wilhelm Siee Loeser? (this is the same man). Thanks Scott R. Siee , Computer Operator Administrative Information Systems/Operations Winston Salem State University Winston Salem, NC 27110 voice: (336) 750-2764 fax: (336) 750-2763 < mailto:siees@wssu.edu <mailto:siees@wssu.edu> > "There are two ways to slide easily through life: to believe everything or to doubt everything. Both ways save us from thinking. -Alfred Korybski

Does anyone have a copy of the book - Marion Center-East Mahoning the Centennial Story by Clarence D. Stephenson, published in 1969 that could do a lookup for me? Thank you for your help Daisy

Thanks tshu for taking time to help out, and in finding that information. Also, thanks to all who have responded with their interest in the Map, too. (Now on to that 1817 Map!) -Gary T. Gibson

Check out this site - http://www.mapsofpa.com/earlycountymaps.htm All ot the maps listed here are supposed to be available at the PA State Archives. . - I've already talked to them about the Peelor Map as dicussed earlier... "Indiana County, manuscript map by surveyor John Taylor copied from the original by Jno. E. Whiteside, April 16, 1817, in the Land Office archives." ----- Original Message ----- From: <Garyth50@aol.com> To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [INDIANA] 1856 Peelor Map > Thanks tshu for taking time to help out, and in finding that > information. > > Also, thanks to all who have responded with their interest in the Map, > too. (Now on to that 1817 Map!) > > -Gary T. Gibson > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > NEW - July 1, 2000 > The Indiana Co. Branch of the Church of Jesus > Christ of Latter-Day Saints now has a web presence. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paifhc >

OK - What 1817 Map ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Garyth50@aol.com> To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [INDIANA] 1856 Peelor Map > Thanks tshu for taking time to help out, and in finding that > information. > > Also, thanks to all who have responded with their interest in the Map, > too. (Now on to that 1817 Map!) > > -Gary T. Gibson > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > NEW - July 1, 2000 > The Indiana Co. Branch of the Church of Jesus > Christ of Latter-Day Saints now has a web presence. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paifhc >

During National Library week, Thomson Gale, known around the world for information integrity, honors the nation's libraries by hosting a free-for-all -- FREE, UNLIMITED ACCESS to 24 diverse databases during National Library Week, April 18 - 24. There may be some databases which contain useful information for some of you. Check out this link up through April 24. http://libraryweek.galedemo.com/itshere.htm Sue

wow!!! this is great!!! thanks for letting us know. I don't think IUP even knows about this! -smb --On Monday, April 19, 2004 10:21 AM -0500 TJ Shumaker <tshu@cableone.net> wrote: > For those interested in the 1856 Peelor Map. It is available from th PA > State Archives in Harrisburg. They will make a full size copy of the Map > (In Black and White) for $32.50 (Includes Shipping and handling). A > digitized copy on CD costs 22.50. It is scanned full size on an > engineering scanner and then printed or put on CD. The cost may vary > slightly if the map needs special handling, which he couldn't tell me > over the phone. > > I am going to order a digitized copy which may take 3-4 weeks and then > I'll put it online. I will put it online FULL SIZE, so it may take some > time to download for those who wish to look at it. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TJ Shumaker" <tshu@cableone.net> > To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 11:12 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIANA] 1856 Peelor Map > > >> I am not sure how he is trying to reproduce it. I took a couple of Maps >> that a friend had (and I wanted copies)(nearly 3 feet by 2 feet) to a >> shop in Clarion that made posters and that sort of thing and they made >> an exact reproduction for me. (Actually Shipenville, just outside >> Clarion). It > cost >> a little but then it was in color that I wanted to preserve. Black and >> White (or Grayscale) might make it feasible. . . . >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sonya M Barclay" <sbarclay@andrew.cmu.edu> >> To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [INDIANA] 1856 Peelor Map >> >> >> > >> > Phil Zorich, who is the Special Collections Librarian where the Peelor > map >> > is housed, has had problems in making the map available in a usable >> > format. I have discussed this with him a number of times. He has a >> > glass negative, but the size of the map makes it difficult to >> > reproduce. He > can >> > be contacted, I believe, via the IUP Library website. >> > >> > From an equally frustrated researcher, >> > >> > -Sonya Barclay >> > >> > >> > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, TJ Shumaker wrote: >> > >> > > DITTO - I'd be more than happy to chip in to pay someone to take a > high >> Res >> > > Photo so it could be published on the Net in readable form. . . . >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: <Garyth50@aol.com> >> > > To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:54 AM >> > > Subject: [INDIANA] 1856 Peelor Map >> > > >> > > >> > > > I need some help, and I'm wondering if I can get a >> > > > volunteer >> to do >> > > > some checking for me. I live in Michigan, and just can't run down > to >> > > Indiana, >> > > > PA to check this. ( Someday I want to make a trip down there to >> > > > do >> some >> > > > research, and to see what the area looks like.) >> > > > >> > > > It's very important to me to see if a Samuel Gibson is > located >> on >> > > the >> > > > 1856 Peelor Map of Indiana Co., PA. He would be found in >> > > > Cherryhill >> Twp. >> > > > I've been told that the ICHS has this map, but it is rarely, if >> > > > ever >> > > opened. >> > > > This map is also on display at the IUP. >> > > > >> > > > Is it possible to have a volunteer zip over and take a look > at >> that >> > > > map, and maybe draw a sketch, or digital photo, to show the >> > > > location >> of >> > > Samuel >> > > > Gibson? The IUP internet site has this map posted, but when >> downloaded, >> > > the >> > > > names of people are not clearly readable. >> > > > >> > > > I will pay someone their time, gas money, and even lunch, if >> they >> > > > could do this for me. Hopefully, this will satisfy me untill I can >> get a >> > > readable >> > > > copy of the map, or see it in person. >> > > > >> > > > Thank you very much. >> > > > >> > > > Gary T. Gibson >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== >> > > > Visit the INDIANA County, PA USGen website >> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paindian/ >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== >> > > Visit the INDIANA County, PA USGen website >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paindian/ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== >> > Indiana County Prothonotary & Clerk of Courts >> > For general Information and research requests contact: >> > Phone: (724) 465-3856 or >> > E-mail: prococ@indianacounty.org> >> > >> >> >> ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== >> JOIN "THE HISTORICAL AND GENEALOGICAL >> SOCIETY OF INDIANA COUNTY" >> 200 South Sixth Street >> Indiana, PA 15701-2999 >> Individual $20 >> > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > List problems??? > Email the listowner <PAINDIAN-admin@rootsweb.com> > >

For those interested in the 1856 Peelor Map. It is available from th PA State Archives in Harrisburg. They will make a full size copy of the Map (In Black and White) for $32.50 (Includes Shipping and handling). A digitized copy on CD costs 22.50. It is scanned full size on an engineering scanner and then printed or put on CD. The cost may vary slightly if the map needs special handling, which he couldn't tell me over the phone. I am going to order a digitized copy which may take 3-4 weeks and then I'll put it online. I will put it online FULL SIZE, so it may take some time to download for those who wish to look at it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "TJ Shumaker" <tshu@cableone.net> To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [INDIANA] 1856 Peelor Map > I am not sure how he is trying to reproduce it. I took a couple of Maps > that a friend had (and I wanted copies)(nearly 3 feet by 2 feet) to a shop > in Clarion that made posters and that sort of thing and they made an exact > reproduction for me. (Actually Shipenville, just outside Clarion). It cost > a little but then it was in color that I wanted to preserve. Black and > White (or Grayscale) might make it feasible. . . . > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sonya M Barclay" <sbarclay@andrew.cmu.edu> > To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:34 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIANA] 1856 Peelor Map > > > > > > Phil Zorich, who is the Special Collections Librarian where the Peelor map > > is housed, has had problems in making the map available in a usable > > format. I have discussed this with him a number of times. He has a glass > > negative, but the size of the map makes it difficult to reproduce. He can > > be contacted, I believe, via the IUP Library website. > > > > From an equally frustrated researcher, > > > > -Sonya Barclay > > > > > > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, TJ Shumaker wrote: > > > > > DITTO - I'd be more than happy to chip in to pay someone to take a high > Res > > > Photo so it could be published on the Net in readable form. . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <Garyth50@aol.com> > > > To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:54 AM > > > Subject: [INDIANA] 1856 Peelor Map > > > > > > > > > > I need some help, and I'm wondering if I can get a volunteer > to do > > > > some checking for me. I live in Michigan, and just can't run down to > > > Indiana, > > > > PA to check this. ( Someday I want to make a trip down there to do > some > > > > research, and to see what the area looks like.) > > > > > > > > It's very important to me to see if a Samuel Gibson is located > on > > > the > > > > 1856 Peelor Map of Indiana Co., PA. He would be found in Cherryhill > Twp. > > > > I've been told that the ICHS has this map, but it is rarely, if ever > > > opened. > > > > This map is also on display at the IUP. > > > > > > > > Is it possible to have a volunteer zip over and take a look at > that > > > > map, and maybe draw a sketch, or digital photo, to show the location > of > > > Samuel > > > > Gibson? The IUP internet site has this map posted, but when > downloaded, > > > the > > > > names of people are not clearly readable. > > > > > > > > I will pay someone their time, gas money, and even lunch, if > they > > > > could do this for me. Hopefully, this will satisfy me untill I can > get a > > > readable > > > > copy of the map, or see it in person. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > > > > > Gary T. Gibson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > > > > Visit the INDIANA County, PA USGen website > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paindian/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > > > Visit the INDIANA County, PA USGen website > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paindian/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > > Indiana County Prothonotary & Clerk of Courts > > For general Information and research requests contact: > > Phone: (724) 465-3856 or > > E-mail: prococ@indianacounty.org> > > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > JOIN "THE HISTORICAL AND GENEALOGICAL > SOCIETY OF INDIANA COUNTY" > 200 South Sixth Street > Indiana, PA 15701-2999 > Individual $20 >

I sure would like to get a look at that map. And would also be glad to help pay for it. Jane

Does anyone remember the name of the drug store located at the corner of Phila. St., and Sixth St., in Indiana that burned down in 1942 or 1943? I don't think it was Houck's. I believe they were on the opposite side of Phila. Street. Thanks, Bill H.

I am not sure how he is trying to reproduce it. I took a couple of Maps that a friend had (and I wanted copies)(nearly 3 feet by 2 feet) to a shop in Clarion that made posters and that sort of thing and they made an exact reproduction for me. (Actually Shipenville, just outside Clarion). It cost a little but then it was in color that I wanted to preserve. Black and White (or Grayscale) might make it feasible. . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sonya M Barclay" <sbarclay@andrew.cmu.edu> To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [INDIANA] 1856 Peelor Map > > Phil Zorich, who is the Special Collections Librarian where the Peelor map > is housed, has had problems in making the map available in a usable > format. I have discussed this with him a number of times. He has a glass > negative, but the size of the map makes it difficult to reproduce. He can > be contacted, I believe, via the IUP Library website. > > From an equally frustrated researcher, > > -Sonya Barclay > > > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, TJ Shumaker wrote: > > > DITTO - I'd be more than happy to chip in to pay someone to take a high Res > > Photo so it could be published on the Net in readable form. . . . > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Garyth50@aol.com> > > To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:54 AM > > Subject: [INDIANA] 1856 Peelor Map > > > > > > > I need some help, and I'm wondering if I can get a volunteer to do > > > some checking for me. I live in Michigan, and just can't run down to > > Indiana, > > > PA to check this. ( Someday I want to make a trip down there to do some > > > research, and to see what the area looks like.) > > > > > > It's very important to me to see if a Samuel Gibson is located on > > the > > > 1856 Peelor Map of Indiana Co., PA. He would be found in Cherryhill Twp. > > > I've been told that the ICHS has this map, but it is rarely, if ever > > opened. > > > This map is also on display at the IUP. > > > > > > Is it possible to have a volunteer zip over and take a look at that > > > map, and maybe draw a sketch, or digital photo, to show the location of > > Samuel > > > Gibson? The IUP internet site has this map posted, but when downloaded, > > the > > > names of people are not clearly readable. > > > > > > I will pay someone their time, gas money, and even lunch, if they > > > could do this for me. Hopefully, this will satisfy me untill I can get a > > readable > > > copy of the map, or see it in person. > > > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > > > Gary T. Gibson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > > > Visit the INDIANA County, PA USGen website > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paindian/ > > > > > > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > > Visit the INDIANA County, PA USGen website > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paindian/ > > > > > > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > Indiana County Prothonotary & Clerk of Courts > For general Information and research requests contact: > Phone: (724) 465-3856 or > E-mail: prococ@indianacounty.org> >

Phil Zorich, who is the Special Collections Librarian where the Peelor map is housed, has had problems in making the map available in a usable format. I have discussed this with him a number of times. He has a glass negative, but the size of the map makes it difficult to reproduce. He can be contacted, I believe, via the IUP Library website. From an equally frustrated researcher, -Sonya Barclay On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, TJ Shumaker wrote: > DITTO - I'd be more than happy to chip in to pay someone to take a high Res > Photo so it could be published on the Net in readable form. . . . > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Garyth50@aol.com> > To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:54 AM > Subject: [INDIANA] 1856 Peelor Map > > > > I need some help, and I'm wondering if I can get a volunteer to do > > some checking for me. I live in Michigan, and just can't run down to > Indiana, > > PA to check this. ( Someday I want to make a trip down there to do some > > research, and to see what the area looks like.) > > > > It's very important to me to see if a Samuel Gibson is located on > the > > 1856 Peelor Map of Indiana Co., PA. He would be found in Cherryhill Twp. > > I've been told that the ICHS has this map, but it is rarely, if ever > opened. > > This map is also on display at the IUP. > > > > Is it possible to have a volunteer zip over and take a look at that > > map, and maybe draw a sketch, or digital photo, to show the location of > Samuel > > Gibson? The IUP internet site has this map posted, but when downloaded, > the > > names of people are not clearly readable. > > > > I will pay someone their time, gas money, and even lunch, if they > > could do this for me. Hopefully, this will satisfy me untill I can get a > readable > > copy of the map, or see it in person. > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > Gary T. Gibson > > > > > > > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > > Visit the INDIANA County, PA USGen website > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paindian/ > > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the INDIANA County, PA USGen website > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paindian/ > > >

tshu Maybe if enough people were interested, that Peelor Map might be able to get reproduced. -Gary

Thanks but not mine. A fellow Retiree (Navy type) from Arlington sent it to me. Use as you wish. Man it's hot here... 83... Time for the air conditioner. Vernon C. Cook USN(Ret) Genealogy is the game...Grandkids are more fun.

Found this old obit in some of my Mother's papers. Hopefully someone can use it. MAUDE BLANCHE KIRKLAND SUMAN, 89 of Blairsville, died Monday, Dec. 22, 1975, at Indiana Hospital. A daughter of the late James and Emma Dodson Kirkland, she was born March, 8, 1886 at Johnstown. Mrs. Suman was a member of the Hebron Lutheran Church, Blairsville. Surviving are three sons; Roy, Blairsville; John, Mansfield, Ohio; Edward Jr., Blairsville, with whom she resided; two daughters; Mrs. Ray (Louise) Ramsden, Blairsville RD2; Mrs. Robert (Betty) Zimmers, Blairsville; 24 grandchildren, 49 great-grandchildren; a sister, Mrs. Nellie Rosborough, Donora. She was preceded in death by her husband, Edward Sr. in 1961; three daughters, Ruth, MArie, and Twila; a son, Harry; three brothers; James, Harry and John; five sisters; Pearl, Margaret, Gertrude, Minnie and Myrtle. The family will recieve friends from 7-9 p.m. today and 2-4 and 7-9 p.m. Tuesday at the Richard L. Shoemaker Funeral Home, Blairsville, where services will be held in the chapel Wednesday at 1:30 p.m. with the Rev. E. EArl Anderson officiating. Interment will be in Blairsville Cemetery. [Indiana Evening Gazette] Vernon C. Cook USN(Ret) Genealogy is the game...Grandkids are more fun.

DITTO - I'd be more than happy to chip in to pay someone to take a high Res Photo so it could be published on the Net in readable form. . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: <Garyth50@aol.com> To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: [INDIANA] 1856 Peelor Map > I need some help, and I'm wondering if I can get a volunteer to do > some checking for me. I live in Michigan, and just can't run down to Indiana, > PA to check this. ( Someday I want to make a trip down there to do some > research, and to see what the area looks like.) > > It's very important to me to see if a Samuel Gibson is located on the > 1856 Peelor Map of Indiana Co., PA. He would be found in Cherryhill Twp. > I've been told that the ICHS has this map, but it is rarely, if ever opened. > This map is also on display at the IUP. > > Is it possible to have a volunteer zip over and take a look at that > map, and maybe draw a sketch, or digital photo, to show the location of Samuel > Gibson? The IUP internet site has this map posted, but when downloaded, the > names of people are not clearly readable. > > I will pay someone their time, gas money, and even lunch, if they > could do this for me. Hopefully, this will satisfy me untill I can get a readable > copy of the map, or see it in person. > > Thank you very much. > > Gary T. Gibson > > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the INDIANA County, PA USGen website > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paindian/ >

The poem in your last e-mail was an inspiration and a fitting tribute to our men young and old. Did you write it or get it form somewhere ? I developed website for folk and host them also. Would like your permission to use it on some websites on veterans holidays as I use thing like that for all the holidays on some of my customers sites as a freebee to them most are Boroughs and small cities. Are you in Pa. or from there? As Always Thank You Jerry Hetrick ----- Original Message ----- From: <vernoncook@juno.com> To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:46 PM Subject: [INDIANA] Obit > Found this old obit in some of my Mother's papers. Hopefully someone can > use it. > > > MAUDE BLANCHE KIRKLAND SUMAN, 89 of Blairsville, died Monday, Dec. 22, > 1975, at Indiana Hospital. > A daughter of the late James and Emma Dodson Kirkland, she was born > March, 8, 1886 at Johnstown. > > Mrs. Suman was a member of the Hebron Lutheran Church, Blairsville. > Surviving are three sons; Roy, Blairsville; John, Mansfield, Ohio; Edward > Jr., Blairsville, with whom she resided; two daughters; Mrs. Ray (Louise) > Ramsden, Blairsville RD2; Mrs. Robert (Betty) Zimmers, Blairsville; 24 > grandchildren, 49 great-grandchildren; a sister, Mrs. Nellie Rosborough, > Donora. > > She was preceded in death by her husband, Edward Sr. in 1961; three > daughters, Ruth, MArie, and Twila; a son, Harry; three brothers; James, > Harry and John; five sisters; Pearl, Margaret, Gertrude, Minnie and > Myrtle. > > The family will recieve friends from 7-9 p.m. today and 2-4 and 7-9 p.m. > Tuesday at the Richard L. Shoemaker Funeral Home, Blairsville, where > services will be held in the chapel Wednesday at 1:30 p.m. with the Rev. > E. EArl Anderson officiating. Interment will be in Blairsville Cemetery. > > [Indiana Evening Gazette] > > > Vernon C. Cook USN(Ret) > Genealogy is the game...Grandkids are more fun. > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > List problems??? > Email the listowner <PAINDIAN-admin@rootsweb.com> >