George Brown His parents were John Martin Brown Sarah Elizabeth Harman- Painter -Brown George was married to Cora Smeltzer Children are Melvin Brown Alda Brady Beatrice Ireland ----- Original Message ----- From: <PAINDIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <PAINDIAN-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:04 AM Subject: PAINDIAN-D Digest V04 #90

Maria, Thanks, we will need a little luck, as we used up some of it already. A great aunt of mine, who died last year at the age of 96, had written down some of the family stories, that she had been told when she was a young girl. One of her stories tells about the one room cabin that was built on 50 acres of land, which Samuel A. Gibson received a deed for. After it was built, he moved his new wife into it, and there, they raised all their 7 children. Later, he built a loft in the cabin to make a little more room. That is just about the jist of her story. When I first read it, I wondered about how much of it had remained true throughout the years. Still, I thought, OK, he had to live in something, why not a log cabin. The year had to be about 1813, that is my estimate, because Samuel's first child was born in 1814. Also, according to the history of Indiana Co., Samuel A. Gibson married Mary Stewart. Samuel's sister, Margaret, married Mary Stewart's brother, James "Jimmie Moccassin" Stewart. Samuel and James were in the same PA Militia together. And I think in Stephen's book he says, that the two men became acquainted, and married each other's sister. Now according to record, James Stewart and his wife, Margaret Gibson, moved to Brushvalley Twp about 1813. So I am assuming that Samuel Gibson and Mary Stewart settled about the same time too. My cousin in Indiana, PA, has just used up a roll of film in taking photos of the foundation. I am antsy to see them! Maybe I'll be able to take a long weekend, and run down there and take a look at it. Thanks again for your ideas. -Gary T. Gibson

Thanks! I suspected that this was Cora Smeltzer's husband but I didn't want to influence your answer. George's mother was a Harman and married to a Painter before John Brown? Is that correct? Does he have Painter 1/2 or step-siblings then? Were Alda and Beatrice both full "Brown" siblings? Sonya --- Florence Painter <flohill@microserve.net> wrote: > George Brown > > His parents were John Martin Brown > Sarah Elizabeth Harman- Painter -Brown > George was married to Cora Smeltzer > Children are Melvin Brown > Alda Brady > Beatrice Ireland > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <PAINDIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <PAINDIAN-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:04 AM > Subject: PAINDIAN-D Digest V04 #90 > > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > JOIN "THE HISTORICAL AND GENEALOGICAL > SOCIETY OF INDIANA COUNTY" > 200 South Sixth Street > Indiana, PA 15701-2999 > Individual $20 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

> We believe we've found the remnants of the old log cabin that Samuel A. Gibson built about 1813. Gary, What source gave you the information that Samuel built a cabin in 1813? You may be able to find evidence of the cabin in tax records, sometimes but not always, tax records will have a description of the dwelling. If all that is left is the foundation you could look around for the foundation of the fireplace within the house foundation. Measure the squarefootage of the foundation, you may be able to compare the size to other log dwellings that were in the area and may even still be intact. Look around for iron remains too, like door hardware and hinges, that can help date a building. I don't know of any log houses in Indiana Co., but there is a German log house in Somerset. http://www.somersetcounty.com/historicalcenter/house.html Also a pioneer cabin under construction http://www.somersetcounty.com/historicalcenter/building.html There was a painting done in 1860 by Linton Park titled, "Flax scutching frolic in Indiana County, Pennsylvania''. The painting shows examples of log construction. Good luck. Marcia Fronk

Does anyone know of this man? Parents? Spouse? Children? I have a funeral folder and assume he fits in somewhere. George M Brown b. June 2, 1897 Washington Twp., Indiana Co., PA d. May 24, 1977 Greensburg, PA Robinson-Lytle's, Indiana, PA, May 27, 1977, 1:30pm, Pastor Richard P Cooper officiating Buried at Harmony Grove Lutheran Cemetery Five Points, PA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

I'm looking for any descendants of Alex L. Flowers and Susan Hoffman. She died July 17, 1949 in Indiana, Pa. They lived in Latrobe, Pa., for 50 years before returning to Indiana in 1924. Susan Hoffman was a daughter of Mr. & Mrs. Joseph Hoffman. I am particularly interested in Susan's brother Andrew and her sister, Magadline. Thank you. Bill Hasinger Fairborn, Ohio Acehase@aol.com

I would contact the genealogy society. I am sure they would know who to contact in that area. meg Garyth50@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know of a person or group in Indiana Co., who is knowledgeable, or an expert, on old buildings? Specifically, would they be able to determine when an old log cabin was built? All that is left are the remnants of it's foundation. > > We believe we've found the remnants of the old log cabin that Samuel A. Gibson built about 1813. The property now has been traced back to Hiram Gibson, Samuel's son. The Beers Map of 1871 shows Hiram owing it then, and the 1856 Peelor Map shows Samuel owning it. > > We should have some expert verification to this find. > > -Gary Gibson > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > JOIN "THE HISTORICAL AND GENEALOGICAL > SOCIETY OF INDIANA COUNTY" > 200 South Sixth Street > Indiana, PA 15701-2999 > Individual $20

Does anyone know of a person or group in Indiana Co., who is knowledgeable, or an expert, on old buildings? Specifically, would they be able to determine when an old log cabin was built? All that is left are the remnants of it's foundation. We believe we've found the remnants of the old log cabin that Samuel A. Gibson built about 1813. The property now has been traced back to Hiram Gibson, Samuel's son. The Beers Map of 1871 shows Hiram owing it then, and the 1856 Peelor Map shows Samuel owning it. We should have some expert verification to this find. -Gary Gibson

Barb, I think the Peelor Map is 39" x 54". It's worth a try. The CD's will come with the image in color, in TIFF and JPG formats. Maybe they can do a print from the CD. Thanks, -Gary

Last year I had a file to print out that was a large map. I took the file (mine was on a floppy but I'm sure they can do it from a CD) to a Kinkos print shop (if you have one nearby). Many of the larger stores have a "plotter" printer (that is used for architect drawings etc.). They have a computer and printed off my file on a 30 inch square paper. It was great! Sounds like you could do this too for your maps. Barb Mills

Good news about a family I know..however the dates must be incorrect..L Myers ----- Original Message ----- From: <vernoncook@juno.com> To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 4:13 PM Subject: [INDIANA] Fw: [PaCambri] Four Commodore Brothers In Service; One Now in Egypt > >From our neighbors to the east... > > Vernon C. Cook USN(Ret) > > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Marilynkwash@aol.com > To: PACAMBRI-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:11:17 EDT > Subject: [PaCambri] Four Commodore Brothers In Service; One Now in Egypt > Message-ID: <1dd.206a6054.2dc55e65@aol.com> > > Barnesboro Star, Thursday, September 19, 1942 > > FOUR COMMODORE BROTHERS IN SERVICE; ONE NOW IN EGYPT > > Four sons of Norman W. Stiffler, Sr. of Commodore, Indiana > County, > are with the United States Armed Forces in the fight for freedom > The one son, Sergt. Norman E. Stiffler, Jr., 24, is the soldier > who > was reported last week in press dispatches from Cairo, Egypt, as having a > > narrow escape from death when his oxygen mask froze on his face while his > bomber > was flying at high altitude in a raid over Tobruk. Norman was rendered > unconscious and efforts of the crew to bring him to were unsuccessful > until the > navigator in the ship gulped oxygen and blew it directly into Stiffler's > lungs. > Norman has been in the Army Air corps since March 15, 1941. > A brother, James W. Stiffler, 23, has been in the Army since > February > 5, 1938, and holds the high noncommissioned grade of technical sergeant. > He > is on duty at Indiantown Gap. > Pvt. Wayne W. Stiffler, the third brother, enlisted in the Army > on > September 18, 1940, and is detailed to duty at present at Fort Bragg, NC. > He is > 20 years old. > The fourth brother, Alvin C. Stiffler, aged 21, was inducted into > the > armed forces on August 25 and this week began active training. > The father of the four boys is employed by the Clearfield > Bituminous > Coal Corporation at Commodore. > > Is this family of four Stiffler brothers in the War a descendant > of > one from the Civil War with four sons also serving? > > > ==== PACAMBRI Mailing List ==== > When responding to a message thread that has been ongoing, please check > the subject line to make sure that it accurately reflects the topic of > your message. > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > Indiana County Prothonotary & Clerk of Courts > For general Information and research requests contact: > Phone: (724) 465-3856 or > E-mail: prococ@indianacounty.org> > >

From our neighbors to the east... Vernon C. Cook USN(Ret) --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marilynkwash@aol.com To: PACAMBRI-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:11:17 EDT Subject: [PaCambri] Four Commodore Brothers In Service; One Now in Egypt Message-ID: <1dd.206a6054.2dc55e65@aol.com> Barnesboro Star, Thursday, September 19, 1942 FOUR COMMODORE BROTHERS IN SERVICE; ONE NOW IN EGYPT Four sons of Norman W. Stiffler, Sr. of Commodore, Indiana County, are with the United States Armed Forces in the fight for freedom The one son, Sergt. Norman E. Stiffler, Jr., 24, is the soldier who was reported last week in press dispatches from Cairo, Egypt, as having a narrow escape from death when his oxygen mask froze on his face while his bomber was flying at high altitude in a raid over Tobruk. Norman was rendered unconscious and efforts of the crew to bring him to were unsuccessful until the navigator in the ship gulped oxygen and blew it directly into Stiffler's lungs. Norman has been in the Army Air corps since March 15, 1941. A brother, James W. Stiffler, 23, has been in the Army since February 5, 1938, and holds the high noncommissioned grade of technical sergeant. He is on duty at Indiantown Gap. Pvt. Wayne W. Stiffler, the third brother, enlisted in the Army on September 18, 1940, and is detailed to duty at present at Fort Bragg, NC. He is 20 years old. The fourth brother, Alvin C. Stiffler, aged 21, was inducted into the armed forces on August 25 and this week began active training. The father of the four boys is employed by the Clearfield Bituminous Coal Corporation at Commodore. Is this family of four Stiffler brothers in the War a descendant of one from the Civil War with four sons also serving? ==== PACAMBRI Mailing List ==== When responding to a message thread that has been ongoing, please check the subject line to make sure that it accurately reflects the topic of your message.

OK, here's the latest run down on the 1856 Peelor Map of Indiana Co., and the 1817 Whiteside Map of Indiana Co. I'm getting these maps from the PA Archives. The maps, once copied onto their computers, only cost $10 each for a B/W print of the Peelor Map, and $7.50 for the Whiteside Map. The color print is by the square foot, so the Peelor map would be $90, and the Whiteside Map, $50. A CD of either map is $5. If a map hasn't been scanned previously, there is a $30 charge for that. I think that had been mentioned before. From then on, no one else has to pay that charge. So for $63.50, I'm getting the two maps, and a CD of each. It will be about $33.50 from now on. Now these maps are very large. The Indiana Co. map had to be scanned in two sections, and then reassembled in the computer. But when they print these maps out, either color or b/w, they are almost full si ze. I was told the color map is fantastic. The maps on the CD are very large files, so the guys at the archives were concerned if my computer could handle such a large file format, and if I had the correct program to read the files. The guys from the PA Archives were great. I called them first, telling them what I wanted, and they quoted me the prices. They just want to be paid before hand, so I originally sent them a check for $32.50. With the check I enclosed a letter telling them what I wanted. They weren't sure if the Peelor map had already been scanned, so they said to hold off on the extra $30 at this time. I sent the check to PA Archives, 350 N. Street, Harrisburg, PA 17120-0090. Their phone number is 717-783-9877. The check is made out to The Commonwealth of PA. Once they got my order, and the check, they gave me a call. Double checked what I wanted, and started to get to work. Once the images were in the computer, and they were ready to print, I would receive another call. So, they called confirmed again what I wanted and confirmed the price. Once they get my second check for the $30, they will print out the images and send them out to me. They want the exact price on the check, because if the check is made out for too much money, they have no way of making a reinbursement. So, hopefully, there shouldn't any problems if someone else wants their own copy. adios, -Gary T. Gibson

Robin, For starters write the Indiana Genealogical Society. They have family files and obits. Also write to the Indiana County courthouse and ask if they have a "death record" for Sarah. If they DO NOT, then write to the PA Dept of Vital Records and after for her "death cert". Be sure that you tell them she was born in 1836 and disappeared after the date of the 1910 census page that you found her on. They can start looking from there. If they find one which is possible, you will know her exact date of death and location of burial. You will also want to check the cemetery records for the location that you found her in, in the 1910 Census. Good luck. meg Robin Bell wrote: > > Robin Bell > lynn_bell57@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > HI EVERYONE, > IM NEW SO BARE WITH ME. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF SOMEONE OUT THERE HAS ANY INFORMATION ON SARAH R. CRAWFORD. BORN 1836 AND DIED AFTER 1910 SOMETIME. HER HUSBANDS NAME WAS WILLIAM CRAWFORD HER CHILDRENS NAMES WERE LUCINDA, CHARLER,MARY AND SUZETTA AND A NEPHEW MORRIS V. WISE THIS IS ON THE 1910 CENSUS IN BLAIRSVILLE INDIANA COUNTY PA. MORRIS WAS MY HUSBANDS GRANDFATHER. I AM STUCK I CAN'T FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO SARAH AFTER 1910. CAN ANYONE HELP! > > THANKYOU FOR YOUR TIME ROBIN BELL > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > Indiana Co. Visitors Center <http://www.pavisnet.com/indiana/>

Robin Bell lynn_bell57@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. HI EVERYONE, IM NEW SO BARE WITH ME. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF SOMEONE OUT THERE HAS ANY INFORMATION ON SARAH R. CRAWFORD. BORN 1836 AND DIED AFTER 1910 SOMETIME. HER HUSBANDS NAME WAS WILLIAM CRAWFORD HER CHILDRENS NAMES WERE LUCINDA, CHARLER,MARY AND SUZETTA AND A NEPHEW MORRIS V. WISE THIS IS ON THE 1910 CENSUS IN BLAIRSVILLE INDIANA COUNTY PA. MORRIS WAS MY HUSBANDS GRANDFATHER. I AM STUCK I CAN'T FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO SARAH AFTER 1910. CAN ANYONE HELP! THANKYOU FOR YOUR TIME ROBIN BELL

Good morning everyone, I'm looking for information on the William and Susan Long family... Parents of Johanna/Juliana/ Julia Ann Long who was born May 1, 1844 Armstrong ...County, PA.... I would love any information on this family I can get, Julia was my Great Great Grandmother married 1st to Barney Black 2nd to Samuel Hazlett/Haslett 3rd to James Rosborough.... Sure hope someone can help me thanks Barb Lorensen LLLORENSEN@KTIS.NET

Thanks so much. Writing letters to DC now... Scott R. Siee , Computer Operator Administrative Information Systems/Operations Winston Salem State University Winston Salem, NC 27110 voice: (336) 750-2764 fax: (336) 750-2763 <mailto:siees@wssu.edu> "There are two ways to slide easily through life: to believe everything or to doubt everything. Both ways save us from thinking. -Alfred Korybski -----Original Message----- From: Betty McFarland [mailto:bettymcfa@adelphia.net] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 6:46 PM To: PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [INDIANA] assistance requested There was a good article in the May/June isuue of Ancestry magazime, "Alien Registration REcords" by Joseph M. Silinonte. The web-site he refers to is: http://uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/g-639.htm I also found the following web-site by searching on "Alien Registration" http://www.pacifier.com/~kcardoz/alienreg.html The form needed to request the Alien Registration info is the G-639, and you can make the request under the FOIA. These records are not microfilmed. One of the above sites should also give links to determine where to send your request. Hope this helps Betty McFarland Anaheim, CA -----Original Message----- From: Siee, Scott [mailto:siees@wssu.edu] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:46 PM To: PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [INDIANA] assistance requested I have a copy of Wilhelm Siee Loeser, who was my great grandfather's enemy alien registration card. It lists Graceton, Indiana county, Pa as his residence in 1918. Can somebody help me locate where the information on registered aliens might be? Also, has anyone heard of Paul Wilhelm Siee, Wilhelm Siee Loeser? (this is the same man). Thanks Scott R. Siee , Computer Operator Administrative Information Systems/Operations Winston Salem State University Winston Salem, NC 27110 voice: (336) 750-2764 fax: (336) 750-2763 < mailto:siees@wssu.edu <mailto:siees@wssu.edu> > "There are two ways to slide easily through life: to believe everything or to doubt everything. Both ways save us from thinking. -Alfred Korybski ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== Visit the INDIANA County, PA USGen website http://www.rootsweb.com/~paindian/ ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== Visit the INDIANA County, PA USGen website http://www.rootsweb.com/~paindian/

There was a good article in the May/June isuue of Ancestry magazime, "Alien Registration REcords" by Joseph M. Silinonte. The web-site he refers to is: http://uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/g-639.htm I also found the following web-site by searching on "Alien Registration" http://www.pacifier.com/~kcardoz/alienreg.html The form needed to request the Alien Registration info is the G-639, and you can make the request under the FOIA. These records are not microfilmed. One of the above sites should also give links to determine where to send your request. Hope this helps Betty McFarland Anaheim, CA -----Original Message----- From: Siee, Scott [mailto:siees@wssu.edu] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:46 PM To: PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [INDIANA] assistance requested I have a copy of Wilhelm Siee Loeser, who was my great grandfather's enemy alien registration card. It lists Graceton, Indiana county, Pa as his residence in 1918. Can somebody help me locate where the information on registered aliens might be? Also, has anyone heard of Paul Wilhelm Siee, Wilhelm Siee Loeser? (this is the same man). Thanks Scott R. Siee , Computer Operator Administrative Information Systems/Operations Winston Salem State University Winston Salem, NC 27110 voice: (336) 750-2764 fax: (336) 750-2763 < mailto:siees@wssu.edu <mailto:siees@wssu.edu> > "There are two ways to slide easily through life: to believe everything or to doubt everything. Both ways save us from thinking. -Alfred Korybski ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== Visit the INDIANA County, PA USGen website http://www.rootsweb.com/~paindian/

Suzanne I am interested in the Indiana County Souvenir Program 1953. Do you know where I can see a copy of it? Researching O'Hara in Indiana County. Donna dolly3133@aol.com

Which Church is this - I see 2 First Presbyterian Churches on the County Web Site - One in Cherry Tree and one in Indiana - - Are the records for both churches in Phila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Houston" <houston4@netcarrier.com> To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [INDIANA] First United Presbyterian Church > Sonya, > How accessible are the Presbyterian Church Archives in Philadelphia? I > need to find some 1820'-1830's church records. Do you need to call ahead to > make an appointment? > > Marcia Fronk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sonya M. Barclay" <sbarclay@andrew.cmu.edu> > To: <PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIANA] First United Presbyterian Church > > > > Those records are housed at the Presbyterian Church Archives in > > Philadelphia. I have seen them, but only copied the parts I was interested > > in for my dissertation. It seems to me that there were BMDs in there > > though, but I don't know for what years. > > > > -smb > > > > > > --On Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:58 PM -0400 "William T. Lyons" > > <practico@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > I note that First Presbyterian Church was organized in 1808. > > > > > > Can anyone tell me if there any early records of marriages, births and > > > deaths in the records of this Church? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > > > JOIN "THE HISTORICAL AND GENEALOGICAL > > > SOCIETY OF INDIANA COUNTY" > > > 200 South Sixth Street > > > Indiana, PA 15701-2999 > > > Individual $20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > > List problems??? > > Email the listowner <PAINDIAN-admin@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the "NEW" Historical & Genealogical Society of Indiana Co. website. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~paicgs/ >