Hi Bobby, I have a Vernie Buterbaugh, no dates for Vernie, but her parents are J. Edward Buterbaugh b. Jul 1886, PA and Maggie Pearl (Dishong) Buterbaugh, b. abt 1885, PA. Linda >From: "robert troup" <robert.e.troup@verizon.net> >Reply-To: PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [INDIANA] BUTERBAUGH, Vernie >Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 13:44:32 -0400 > >a Vernie BUTERBAUGH was supposed to have married a Ross ENGLE. Does anyone >know who Vernie's parents were? > >Bobby >robert.e.troup@verizon.net >My Website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/mapleave > > >==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== >List problems??? >Email the listowner <PAINDIAN-admin@rootsweb.com> > _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx

Hi Linda: I was going to write you directly but I'm not having a good day so just decided to write the Indiana Site. Thanks for responding. Here is what I have: I have some info from George Liebegott that I am trying to work through and one sheet it has Milton BUTTERBAUGH m. to Sadie Cunningham with 4 children: William M. b 27 Oct 1855 d 9 Feb 1950 Ellsworth Emma m. ? Reed Minnie m. ? Smith daughter m. J. Dunn It shows William M. is buried in Mt. Union Cem at Penn Run. There are no cemeteries in Penn Run and no Mt. Union in Cherryhill Twp but there is a Mt Union in Pine Twp. When I looked there, I found the following: BUTERBAUGH, Albert b 6 Oct 1913 d 9 Oct 1913 E. S. b 15 Jan 1892 d 2 Mar 1918 Kenneth b 7 Oct 1912 d 10 Dec 1912 William H. (infant) d 18 Mar 1915 ? d 10 Oct 1912 ? (wife of E.S.) b 1895 d 1915 William W. b 1889 d 1950 From what is shown, I don't have this family in my database. To me, it looks like E.S. b 1892 and ? b 1895 were husband and wife and the others listed were their children. The William shown is not the William from above but both did die 1950, unless I am wrong. Thanks for asking and hopefully you can shed some light on this. I am busy adding all my BUTERBAUGH info into my computer and am even doing my unmatched material so it is easier to check. At present I have about 2,000 unmatched people I am trying to place. Bobby robert.e.troup@verizon.net My Website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/mapleave

a Vernie BUTERBAUGH was supposed to have married a Ross ENGLE. Does anyone know who Vernie's parents were? Bobby robert.e.troup@verizon.net My Website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/mapleave

Does anyone know anything about E. S. BUTERBAUGH who was b 15 Jan 1892 and d 2 Mar 1918? What do the initials stand for? Bobby robert.e.troup@verizon.net My Website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/mapleave

Interesting account. Could you post how the place description reads in the deed? Bill -----Original Message----- From: BARBARA RICHARDSON [mailto:brichard55@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 22:47 PM To: PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIANA] Samuel S. Barr Reply about Westmoreland County being a township. There is a township in Westmoreland City in Westmoreland County. I have a copy of a deed with the date of 1893. It was a coal mining town. I don't know for sure but it was in existance in the 1870's. It is part of North Huntingdon Township. I hope this helps. Barbara <SNIP>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Nolff,Nolf,Nolph,Nulf,Nulph Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/UaB.2ACE/3253.2 Message Board Post: Was wondering if this is a another variation of the " Nolff,Nolf,Nolph,Nulf,Nulph" spelling. Original name in Germany ws Nolff.Changed to Nolf when immigrant ancestor was enumerated at Philadelphia in 1737.Other changes came about for various reasons. Family migrated from Northampton Co,Pa to Armstrong/Jefferson/Clarion Co.'s ca 1805. Have this family traced back to 1536 in Germany.Check out the website at < www.tribalpages.com/tribes/slsmn1327> If your John Knauf connects to my line,please let me know. Best Regards, Bill Nulph Houston,Texas

I HAVE TRIED TO GET OFF THIS LIST MANY TIMES AND I CAN NOT HOW DO i WRITE THE PERSON IN CHARGE TO GET OFF. I have done it a hundred times the way that said but I am still on here ----- Original Message ----- From: slsmn1327@hotmail.com To: PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:42 AM Subject: [INDIANA] Re: John Knauf This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Nolff,Nolf,Nolph,Nulf,Nulph Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/UaB.2ACE/3253.2 Message Board Post: Was wondering if this is a another variation of the " Nolff,Nolf,Nolph,Nulf,Nulph" spelling. Original name in Germany ws Nolff.Changed to Nolf when immigrant ancestor was enumerated at Philadelphia in 1737.Other changes came about for various reasons. Family migrated from Northampton Co,Pa to Armstrong/Jefferson/Clarion Co.'s ca 1805. Have this family traced back to 1536 in Germany.Check out the website at < www.tribalpages.com/tribes/slsmn1327> If your John Knauf connects to my line,please let me know. Best Regards, Bill Nulph Houston,Texas ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== Search the INDIANA CO mailing list ARCHIVES http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Enter: PAINDIAN --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reply about Westmoreland County being a township. There is a township in Westmoreland City in Westmoreland County. I have a copy of a deed with the date of 1893. It was a coal mining town. I don't know for sure but it was in existance in the 1870's. It is part of North Huntingdon Township. I hope this helps. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: URUIRME55@aol.com<mailto:URUIRME55@aol.com> To: PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAINDIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [INDIANA] Samuel S. Barr Saw your posting asking about Westmoreland County ever being a township. I don't know for sure, but I have a copy of a will for Peter Fox written in 1818 and Hempfield was a township in Westmoreland County, and I remember reading something about Indiana County, PA was made from Westmoreland County. Don't know that that will be of any help at all. I have a Paulina Caldwell born @ 1865 that married Frank Barr, son of John Barr and Margaret Bowle. These any of your Barr ancestors? Jerrilyn URUIRME55@aol.com<mailto:URUIRME55@aol.com> ==== PAINDIAN Mailing List ==== Visit the INDIANA County, PA USGen website http://www.rootsweb.com/~paindian/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~paindian/>

Does anyone have a copy of the book "Marion Center-East Mahoning the Centennial Story" by Clarence D. Stephenson - published 1969 that could do a lookup for me? Thank you for your help Daisy

Thanks for the information. I have a Frank Barr as my GGrandfathers brother. He ran a sawmill in Indiana County and moved from farm to farm. His father was William Ne.son Barr. Thanks again, Bill

Saw your posting asking about Westmoreland County ever being a township. I don't know for sure, but I have a copy of a will for Peter Fox written in 1818 and Hempfield was a township in Westmoreland County, and I remember reading something about Indiana County, PA was made from Westmoreland County. Don't know that that will be of any help at all. I have a Paulina Caldwell born @ 1865 that married Frank Barr, son of John Barr and Margaret Bowle. These any of your Barr ancestors? Jerrilyn URUIRME55@aol.com

From the information I have here in Indiana County, PA, Johannes Georg Knauff b abt 1788 married to Kunigunda Bishop had at least two sons, John b 12/16/1811 who Married Anna Barbara Drietz. They had a son John b 1/30/1847 who married Mary Ellen Vandervork. Johannes and Kunigunda also had a son Michael who married Louisa???. Michael and Louisa had at least three sons, Michael, Henry and Hartman. A brother of John b 1/30/1847 named David b 2/10/1851 married to Mary A. Heitzenrater had a son John A. b Oct 11, 1875. He married Anna Wilda Lyke. Don't know if this helps, have more information. Chuck Bollinger

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UaB.2ACE/3253.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Good advice. I think I will re-write my letter. Dick

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Knauf Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UaB.2ACE/3253.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Remember, they have family files and surname files. Surname files are mainly obits and newspaper stuff. Family files are usually research someone else has done DO NOT give them open turf to make copies for you. Make sure you specify exactly what you want and that you want them copied back to back. It's cheaper. And don't forget to specify all variations you want checked.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UaB.2ACE/3253.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for the advice Doug. I am working from the West Coast, so deed searches are difficult. But I will search the other name variations that I hadn't thought about. I do have a letter ready for the Genealogical Society that I will get off Monday to get a copy of the donated family file that the have on the Knauf name that they have in there files. See if that leads me any where. Thanks again. Dick

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Knauf Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UaB.2ACE/3253.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Watch your spelling variations here Dick. Also look for Neff, Noff, Nauf, and any other variations without the K. Have you worked backwards in the deeds yet? And the wills. Also, have you checked for a family file at the Historical Society. As far as I can remember you are NOT the only person researching this BUT the crowd here has thinned quite a bit.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Howe Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UaB.2ACE/3254.1.1 Message Board Post: That answers the other question. Why James Howe disappears off the map. I've checked all the census by the way....I'm hoping someone has an obit or other verification.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UaB.2ACE/3254.1 Message Board Post: No Confirmation but the age fits with the 1880 census and this is an intersting piece. 25 Nov 1891 - Indiana County Gazette - ...Charles Rugg. assignee of John CaldweU amp; and Charles Rngg. assignee Of W. N. Caldwell, all of Blairsville, Indiana county, and of James S. Lewis, committee and trustee of JAMES HOWE, a lunatic, of Cherryhill township, will be presented for confirmation and allowance on Monday

His name was Samuel S. Barr from the record. My ggrandfathers death certificate says it was Samuel Barr and his wife was Isabelle/Isabella McCalister. I have been to the cemetery in Deckers Point, Oakland that is, where they are supposed to be buried. There are no markers. He died in 1897. They are listed in the Stewarts book on Indiana County as charter members of the Presbyterian Church at Deckers Point. I am assuming the Cemetery sits on the church site. It was connected to the Taylorsville Presbyterian Church, I know I shouldn't assume but gotta start somewhere...Thanks for the response. Bill Gibson

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UaB.2ACE/3253.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I guess the situation is far more complicated then I originaly thought. I thought there was one John Knauf. There appear to be 4. First is on the 1840 census, between age 40 and 50. 2nd is on the 1860 census at age 14. 3rd is on the 1870 census at age 59, with a son John age 18. This older John Knauf appears to be the oen on the 1871 map. Of all of these what I was originaly looking for was the relationship of the John Knoff/Knauf of 1840 census to Michael Knoff/Knauf of the 1840 census. I would also be interested in finding out if there was a relationship between the John Knauff/Knauf, age 59, of the 1870 census and Michael Knauf of the 1840, 1850 census. Hope that clarifies things. There may be no one out there who can answer this though. Thanks Dick