I am trying to place BARBARA "BUBBA IRENE ENTERLINE SHAFFER into my Shaffer line. Her obit states that she is the spouse of Nelson "Ichabod" Ernest Shaffer, Jr. who dies Oct 18, 1999. Does anyone know who HIS parents were? I have an Nelson Earnest Shaffer, Sr (note the different spelling of the middle name m. Margaret Douds but the nickname I have for Jr is "Bud" and not "Ichabod". Hmmm.... Her parents were Samuel Donald and Jean Burns Enterline. She was born April 23, 1929 and died November 20, 2006. Any help is greatly appreciate and if this is your line, let me know and I can email you the obituary info. Sonya __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

It has come to my atention that the message I meant to post to the Indiana County freecycle group accidentally went to this group thanks to those yahoo fill-ins. Mea culpa! I am so sorry! Please forgive my oversight! Sonya __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Actually, you are correct and it shouldn't be posted in this case. I haven't tried "Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness" in many years (I used to be a volunteer but have moved to much). This is because of the guidelines. There is only one individual listed for Indiana Co. and he does lookups and copying and is only "Limited" to one per month (Though he could do more) and they have to be "specific" requests" There are also many unique and extremely nice individuals on the Indiana County Page that do lookups that I have corresponded with over nearly 8 or 9 years, Connie Mayo and Vernon Cook just to mention a few and over the years they have helped me quite a few times. What I would like is much more extensive. There are no "researchers" available in the area that I know of ( and although I've always volunteered to pay - I don't want to pay the exorbitant rate of 30-40 per hour charged by some).. I'd like to find someone who could do 8-10 hours of PURE RESEARCH a month over 3 or 4 months as time permits. Sometimes, I believe that we are in a "CATCH 22" - We all need some real research done at some point in time, but we all wait around until we can do it ourselves, because you can't find anyone to spend the time, and then you can't do it because you live over a thousand miles away. What we really need "if permitted on the pages" is not just a group of LOOKUP individuals on the County Pages, but also a Page of people who whould like to do some research a couple hours a week. NOT PROFESSIONAL GENEALOGISTS, just those who like doing it and want to make a few extra dollars doing general research - They could either do it or not depending on their time and schedules....... they do any SCAMS and they are noted as such and taken off the pages. I have my own group of individals around the country (about 20 of us) that work with each other. Regardless of the surnames or relationships, if I ever need any research done where they are, all that I have to do is ask and Visa Versa (VISA??) - but nobody in my Primary area - Indiana, Cambria and Surrounding counties TJ Shumaker http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:17 AM Subject: [PAINDIAN] This person is NOT a Genealogist looking for help,they are a SCAM! > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: geneman1 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6263.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > TJ, > > You of all people should know better. There's a big difference > between an individual looking for help on a specific family and this SCAM > that brags about having 137 people on the payroll. > > This is one of the hundreds of records hockers on the net > suckering people to spend hours to look for stuff and then paying them > only if they finds something and most of them don't even do that. > > Have you never heard of "Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness?" I used > them several times when I was looking for materials in places I could not > travel to. 100% results and it costs only postage and copy fees. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Actually, you are correct and it shouldn't be posted in this case. I haven't tried "Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness" in many years (I used to be a volunteer but have moved to much). This is because of the guidelines. There is only one individual listed for Indiana Co. and he does lookups and copying and is only "Limited" to one per month (Though he could do more) and they have to be "specific" requests" There are also many unique and extremely nice individuals on the Indiana County Page that do lookups that I have corresponded with over nearly 8 or 9 years, Connie Mayo and Vernon Cook just to mention a few and over the years they have helped me quite a few times. What I would like is much more extensive. There are no "researchers" available in the area that I know of ( and although I've always volunteered to pay - I don't want to pay the exorbitant rate of 30-40 per hour charged by some).. I'd like to find someone who could do 8-10 hours of PURE RESEARCH a month over 3 or 4 months as time permits. Sometimes, I believe that we are in a "CATCH 22" - We all need some real research done at some point in time, but we all wait around until we can do it ourselves, because you can't find anyone to spend the time, and then you can't do it because you live over a thousand miles away. What we really need "if permitted on the pages" is not just a group of LOOKUP individuals on the County Pages, but also a Page of people who whould like to do some research a couple hours a week. NOT PROFESSIONAL GENEALOGISTS, just those who like doing it and want to make a few extra dollars doing general research - They could either do it or not depending on their time and schedules....... they do any SCAMS and they are noted as such and taken off the pages. I have my own group of individals around the country (about 20 of us) that work with each other. Regardless of the surnames or relationships, if I ever need any research done where they are, all that I have to do is ask and Visa Versa (VISA??) - but nobody in my Primary area - Indiana, Cambria and Surrounding counties TJ Shumaker http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:17 AM Subject: [PAINDIAN] This person is NOT a Genealogist looking for help,they are a SCAM! > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: geneman1 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6263.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > TJ, > > You of all people should know better. There's a big difference > between an individual looking for help on a specific family and this SCAM > that brags about having 137 people on the payroll. > > This is one of the hundreds of records hockers on the net > suckering people to spend hours to look for stuff and then paying them > only if they finds something and most of them don't even do that. > > Have you never heard of "Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness?" I used > them several times when I was looking for materials in places I could not > travel to. 100% results and it costs only postage and copy fees. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: geneman1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6263.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: TJ, You of all people should know better. There's a big difference between an individual looking for help on a specific family and this SCAM that brags about having 137 people on the payroll. This is one of the hundreds of records hockers on the net suckering people to spend hours to look for stuff and then paying them only if they finds something and most of them don't even do that. Have you never heard of "Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness?" I used them several times when I was looking for materials in places I could not travel to. 100% results and it costs only postage and copy fees. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

What about the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness? (RAOGK) I am a volunteer in my area and have used their services as well. I had pictures taken of my uncle's gravesite in a WWII military cemetery in Sicily. I have also done some research for a woman in Brisbane, Australia. I've developed wonderful "pen pals" from doing this work. Try it sometime. (Volunteering, that is) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Looking for someone to do research in Indiana County > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: teajay1944 > Surnames: BORING and hundreds of others > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6263.1.2/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I'm going to put my 2 cents in here - - - I am not sure I agree or > disagree ON THIS PERSON looking for a researcher in Indiana Co - - BUT I > only research my only family and I know this - - > > The Courthouse will certainly copy and send documents to you "IF YOU KNOW > WHAT YOU WANT" - - They will not do "general research" which is what I > sometimes need - - I know that for a fact - I've tried. > > That being said - I've also asked for a researcher in Indiana Co from time > to time (and other places around the country)and have never been able to > find anyone who wants to help out. I'm not a SCAM - My family tree in > Indiana Co contains over 6000 individuals. > > As much as genealogists talk about what they do, with very few exceptions, > I've never found anyone who wants to help anyone out who isn't directly > related to them in their family Tree. MAYBE this is because of past > scams. I don't want to put myself on a pedistal but I help individuals > all the time who are not related to me - and do it without charge (and > many of them have been in Indiana County). > > Maybe people don't have as much time on their hands as I do nor the > commitment. What we really need is a way for those of us who need and > want some research done to find others who are willing to help out. > > You tell me where I can find someone to do some research for me at the > courthouse (Not copy documents I am already aware of). > > TJ Shumaker > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: teajay1944 Surnames: BORING and hundreds of others Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6263.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm going to put my 2 cents in here - - - I am not sure I agree or disagree ON THIS PERSON looking for a researcher in Indiana Co - - BUT I only research my only family and I know this - - The Courthouse will certainly copy and send documents to you "IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT" - - They will not do "general research" which is what I sometimes need - - I know that for a fact - I've tried. That being said - I've also asked for a researcher in Indiana Co from time to time (and other places around the country)and have never been able to find anyone who wants to help out. I'm not a SCAM - My family tree in Indiana Co contains over 6000 individuals. As much as genealogists talk about what they do, with very few exceptions, I've never found anyone who wants to help anyone out who isn't directly related to them in their family Tree. MAYBE this is because of past scams. I don't want to put myself on a pedistal but I help individuals all the time who are not related to me - and do it without charge (and many of them have been in Indiana County). Maybe people don't have as much time on their hands as I do nor the commitment. What we really need is a way for those of us who need and want some research done to find others who are willing to help out. You tell me where I can find someone to do some research for me at the courthouse (Not copy documents I am already aware of). TJ Shumaker Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: TeresaYarberHood2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6263.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm so very sorry you both feel that way. I assure you it is not scam, at all. I would be more than happy to discuss it with you. We're just trying to find someone to do some research in this county. Not scam. It's not against the rules to ask people to help research. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: geneman1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6263.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1. You are posting here totally against the rules and trust me when I say I of anyone here know those rules verbatum. You post is considered SPAM. 2. Companies like yours sucker people in to do research for little or no money and are notorious for not paying people anywhere near what the time is they have spent looking up the documents. 3. Companies like yours are a violation of Privacy for almost anyone concerned. I personally consider companies like yours a level below Amway type companies. 4. You won't use county clerks because they won't do your job for you. It's bad enough with all these brain dead public officials putting records out on the internet. I for one would personally like to see companies like yours deemed illegal. Take your SCAM to Craigslist. You'll be right at home. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: TeresaYarberHood2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6263.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm sorry you are so "bitter" and I truly did not deserve that. It is a shame that some people "scam" others, but that is not the case here. I have 135 researchers on payroll now in 37 states, and we find the quality of work is much better hiring people than asking the court clerks. I do hope your day gets better, as it apparently has a negative trend at the moment. God Bless. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: quippian59 Surnames: request for someone to do work Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6263.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If your willing to pay someone to do lookups in the courthouse,why not just pay the courthouse to get you the documents you need, noone is going to go to the courthouse once or twice a week even if they lived right by it, too many people have been stiffed by the line I'll pay you for the research for one thing, and people are busy doing there own research, so your really livng in some fantasy world. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: TeresaYarberHood2 Surnames: Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6263/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I need someone to do lookups in Indiana County. Will pay. Long-term research task. If you're able to go to the courthouse once a week or once every couple of weeks, please let me know Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: geneman1 Surnames: Engle, Mayhew Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6262/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Need to confirm his parents as: Thomas Engle married to Vernie ???? Also need his exact birth and death dates. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

_http://www.familyoldphotos.com/pa/indiana/index.htm_ (http://www.familyoldphotos.com/pa/indiana/index.htm) Check this site out, they have some old photos of Heilwood and some of the classes in the high school. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

was wondering if there was any graduates from 1951 from Penns Manor/ Heilwood school Mom asked me to look her name is Louella Ruth BRYAN / Wilson Deb Warren<ohio ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: TeresaYarberHood2 Surnames: Classification: lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6261/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In need of someone to go to Indiana County Land Records Office to conduct research once or twice a week for 2-4 hours per visit. Long-term work. If interested, please email me at [email protected] Thank you ! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: geneman1 Surnames: Lydic, Thompson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6260/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Need her exact Birth and Death Dates And an obit if anyone has it. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: @@[email protected] Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/3785.1.1.1.1.2.1.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Caire, You probably have the photo if you went to Judy's album. Have you contacted her lately? I think she asked for an update on your e-mail address. You can also contact me at [email protected] Earletta Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is for Cindy Knight Thank you for the census images for Learns they are coming through very clear. Barb :)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cwhite727 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/3785.1.1.1.1.2.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hey - I think I have your picture, Judy's and your mothers at the reunion. Judy gave me access to her album. Claire Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.