This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rcarr38 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6285.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the response. I looked at what you have and don't think it fits. I have just started my search in Indiana County however, who knows. Thanks, Ray Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: UnlockingThePast Surnames: Kerr Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6285.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Ray, I have some information about my Kerr family from Indiana County that dates back early. I am not sure if they relate to your Kerr's. My information can be found at the following link... http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jenmarieno1&id=I04617 Jennifer Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rcarr38 Surnames: Carr/Karr/Kerr/Kare/etc... Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6285/mb.ashx Message Board Post: John Kerr, John Kerr Junior, Moses Kerr (Spring Hill), George Kerr (confined Pitts), and James Kerr in Armstrong Township show up in the 1772 tax rolls when this area was still Bedford County. Looks like these Kerr's owned land in what was Armstrong Township, Westmoreland County. Later it became Indiana County. The land was surveyed in 1774 and now is in Indiana County. Anyone have connections this early? Any info on this family would be greatly appreciated. Ray Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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Hi John: You have my sympathy. I have an aunt who married Geo Schreckengost (or however you want to spell it) Also, Margaret Weaver who married Miles Washington Schreckengost (ditto) and a whole lot more on my tree. I think an aunt who married Eli. I have several surnames like that but yours is one of the ones I have a lot of problem with. They are all the same people from over there in Armstrong Co, but.... don't try to tell some of them that. Welcome to the fun of genealogy! Connie -----Original Message----- >From: Schreck <[email protected]> >Sent: May 30, 2007 10:16 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of thePastCemeteryListings > >From: John Schrecongost [email protected] >Subject: Errors >Talk about a headache, try my name. The spelling first changed 1805 when we >moved to Armstrong, from there the family spread out over the county and >changed the spelling even more. I know of an obituary that got one letter >wrong and that changes the family and everybody is wrong from there on. I >know I'm right because I know the grandson. Search engines will covert >spelling to add results, so much fun. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ann monastra" <[email protected]> >To: "Connie" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:02 PM >Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of >thePastCemeteryListings > > >>I also have found Treaures to be a helpful site and appreciate all the work >>that goes into posting the information. My concern is about the messages >>that are "gate-wayed" with the notation that the poster may not be a >>member. Also the anonymous nature of the messages is a bit unsettling. >> >> Ann >> >> Connie <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't think I could have said it better Janet. Treasures has never >> assumed that all of the information on the site is correct. And, a lot of >> the info is contributed by others. We try to get the cemetery listings >> correct as far as we can read them. There are I am sure typos also. After >> all this site has had to move several times, and once we know the info got >> jumbled and a lot of work had to be redone. This is no fun! Who else do >> you know who will go out search out cemeteries that are almost impossible >> to get into and are on private land. We always get permission to go into >> the cemeteries on private land and many times we are asked not to register >> where they are located as the owner does not want people trespassing on >> his property. We are always happy to oblige them, in this matter. After >> all they didn't remove the stones as we have also found. Right now we are >> planning to do one of these cemeteries that we have been requested to do. >> We will record and take phot! >> os of each stone and put them up, as we are doing on small cemeteries. If >> someone wants us to recheck a cemetery or stone we will also do that, if >> it is out of town we insist on being reimbursed for travel. That is only >> fair with gas prices what they are. We hope to finish SS Simon and Jude >> sometime this summer. Carla has had three foot surgeries since Dec 2004 >> and we have not been able to get out and do the cemeteries. We do not plan >> on doing St Bernards in Indiana as I understand you can now write to the >> church and get the info, something you could not do until recently. The >> old Catholic cemetery is most illegible and we do not at this time plan on >> doing it. St Matthews in Saltsburg is not on our todo list. We are hoping >> to get to Edri but that will require a guide and again permission. Some of >> Douglass has been sent to us and the picture have been put up. We were >> told there would be more but so far what you see is what we have gotten. >> Also the Frech cemetery i! >> s out of reach and we will have to rely on old recordings. These list >> ing are up there to help, not prove anything. Janet said it all when she >> said records do not agree. We do our best. I think I realized how much >> public records can be wrong when I tried to copy the marriage idexes for >> Indiana Co. Some were recorded in the grooms books and not in the brides >> books, and vice versa. Also, names were recorded differently and dates. >> that is wry the information is listing on treasures the way it is. Some of >> names in my own family were messed up and a friend of ours found out that >> his marriage is listed in either brides or grooms and not in the other >> one. I usually will look to Bible Records as to being more accurate than >> others but then those records can be wrong as people were not so day and >> date conscious a hundred years ago as we are today. Not everyone even had >> a calendar. Right now I am reading early Indiana papers for info on my own >> family and am finding disagreements on information in them so don't think >> that the local paper was eith! >> er correct or wrong. At some time some of the gleanings from these >> readings will be posted to the site, some of which have also been >> furnished to us. Not doing too well on my family, I don't think they were >> very newsworthy. Also a cousin ask me to make a list of the F and B listed >> in the paper to be put up. Actually she wanted me to go to the courthouse >> and copy them. That I am not doing. >> I think you are correct Janet, this is probably a paid researcher who does >> not want anyone to get anything free. A few months ago I went to >> courthouse and looked up info for a relative and found nothing on the >> people she was looking, She then contacted a paid researcher because she >> could not believe there was nothing on these people only to find that the >> researcher found just what I did--nothing. >> Use the info as a basis just as you would ancestry or any other site, then >> try to prove or disprove it. That can even be a problem. Also, there is a >> lot of misinformation on the trees on ancestry because this is being >> furnished by those who did the research. Nothing in this world is >> absolute, nothing. Just have fun with what you are doing or forget it. >> I've been doing this for over 38 yrs. I have had a lot of fun and a lot of >> frustration. Traveled many miles and seen lots of place and met some very >> nice people. It is interesting and life is not boring. Have a good day. >> Connie >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: Janet Tabares >>>Sent: May 29, 2007 8:23 AM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >>>PastCemeteryListings >>> >>>I agree, use these as a starting point. And if you find a grave that you >>>are interested in, you can search findagrave and see if the person is >>>listed >>>there. You can also list the find and do a photo request, can use the >>>information to contact the local historical/genealogical society and/or >>>the >>>cemetery itself and query them to see if they have the same information >>>and >>>if so what the documentation for it is. You can search online newspapers >>>to >>>see if there is corroborating evidence listed there. >>> >>>I wonder if the person that posted the warning has family information >>>passed >>>down to him/her that may/may not be correct and since what he/she found >>>doesn't match what he/she has his/her personal research is threatened. >>>I've >>>run across this especially with beginning genealogists. "Aunt Betsy >>>said...." and it turns out that Aunt Betsy told you what she either wanted >>>to believe or what she thought would make a good story. This along with >>>the >>>assurance of a new genealogist that their family name has ALWAYS been >>>spelled ____ . Another thing, just because the information is wrong in >>>someone's opinion, it doesn't mean that the information was made up or >>>perhaps even typed wrong. Dates and names may not be correct on stones, >>>and >>>they didn't just chuck the stone if a name or date was misspelled or wrong >>>until recently. The stone cutter cut what he was told to. If the informant >>>had incorrect information then that's what was passed on. Census records >>>have errors because if the family wasn't home a neighbor may have provided >>>the names/ages etc. This still occurs - I was an Office Supervisor during >>>the 2000 Census and I can honestly say, that a very concerted effort was >>>put >>>into getting the forms filled out and there were spot checks to make sure >>>that the enumerators weren't just making up information. Even so, there >>>were >>>some households where the only information we were able to get was the >>>population count given by neighbors. All records have a possibility for >>>errors. >>> >>>As they say, document what you found and where you found it, and check as >>>many other sources that you can to corroborate what you've found. I thank >>>everyone that has posted records on the internet as my funds for research >>>are very limited, and I can't afford to fly to Pennsylvania, Connecticut, >>>etc from Texas everytime I want to check a record. I also can't afford to >>>hire a researcher in the area. Just reading the warning made me wonder >>>what >>>the motive was for posting it. Could it be a professional researcher that >>>is angry that their business is threatened by records appearing online?? >>>The >>>fact that this person says that 70% of the records are wrong says to me >>>that >>>its an attempt to discredit the website. No one researching a family is >>>going to be looking at 70% of the records on a website, even if their >>>family >>>never left the area. >>> >>>Janet Tabares >>>http://janetaba.tripod.com/gen/index.html >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [email protected] >>>[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of TJ Shumaker >>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM >>>To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >>>PastCemeteryListings >>> >>> >>>Yes - Treasures of the Past has errors - So does the National Archives, >>>Mormon Records and many others - At the same time, I've found a lot of >>>useful information and leads which I would have never found otherwise. >>> >>>I don't mean to critized this but anyone (ANYONE) who is doing Geneaology >>>(or taking Genealogy) off of the internet from any source (including >>>Census >>>records, military records, Mormon Records, personal files, etc) should >>>take >>>them all with a grain of salt - - AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT ERRORS. Don't >>>count on the Internet to document your family history - USE IT AS A >>>STARTING >>>POINT - NOT DOCUMENTATION..... >>> >>>I have Civil War Records with different birth and death dates for the same >>>individual in the same file, which coflict with Bible Records, Death >>>Records, Tombstones. >>> >>>And individuals make mistakes typing - Use the NET as a RESOURCE - not a >>>SOURCE . . . >>> >>>TJ Shumaker >>>http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: >>>To: >> >>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM >>>Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past >>>CemeteryListings >>> >>> >>>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>>> >>>> Author: geneman1 >>>> Surnames: >>>> Classification: queries >>>> >>>> Message Board URL: >>>> >>>> >>>http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counti >>>es.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx >>>> >>>> Message Board Post: >>>> >>>> I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. >>>> Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured Information. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> PeoplePC Online >> A better way to Internet >> http://www.peoplepc.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Not necessarially TJ....the person may be just doing it because of an avid interest in genealogy and getting things recorded. The more info we have the better.. JMHO, Scottie -------------- Original message -------------- From: "TJ Shumaker" <[email protected]> > Its nice to see everyone on the same page sticking up for "Treasures of the > Past". > > You guys are probably correct in that this is a paid researcher. I've never > before seen anyone who posted a message on the Ancestry/Rootsweb boards that > wanted to remain Anonymous. Is this a new thing ????? > > TJ Shumaker > http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM > Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past > CemeteryListings > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Author: geneman1 > > Surnames: > > Classification: queries > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.i > ndiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. > > Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured Information. > > > > Important Note: > > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

From: John Schrecongost [email protected] Subject: Errors Talk about a headache, try my name. The spelling first changed 1805 when we moved to Armstrong, from there the family spread out over the county and changed the spelling even more. I know of an obituary that got one letter wrong and that changes the family and everybody is wrong from there on. I know I'm right because I know the grandson. Search engines will covert spelling to add results, so much fun. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ann monastra" <[email protected]> To: "Connie" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of thePastCemeteryListings >I also have found Treaures to be a helpful site and appreciate all the work >that goes into posting the information. My concern is about the messages >that are "gate-wayed" with the notation that the poster may not be a >member. Also the anonymous nature of the messages is a bit unsettling. > > Ann > > Connie <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't think I could have said it better Janet. Treasures has never > assumed that all of the information on the site is correct. And, a lot of > the info is contributed by others. We try to get the cemetery listings > correct as far as we can read them. There are I am sure typos also. After > all this site has had to move several times, and once we know the info got > jumbled and a lot of work had to be redone. This is no fun! Who else do > you know who will go out search out cemeteries that are almost impossible > to get into and are on private land. We always get permission to go into > the cemeteries on private land and many times we are asked not to register > where they are located as the owner does not want people trespassing on > his property. We are always happy to oblige them, in this matter. After > all they didn't remove the stones as we have also found. Right now we are > planning to do one of these cemeteries that we have been requested to do. > We will record and take phot! > os of each stone and put them up, as we are doing on small cemeteries. If > someone wants us to recheck a cemetery or stone we will also do that, if > it is out of town we insist on being reimbursed for travel. That is only > fair with gas prices what they are. We hope to finish SS Simon and Jude > sometime this summer. Carla has had three foot surgeries since Dec 2004 > and we have not been able to get out and do the cemeteries. We do not plan > on doing St Bernards in Indiana as I understand you can now write to the > church and get the info, something you could not do until recently. The > old Catholic cemetery is most illegible and we do not at this time plan on > doing it. St Matthews in Saltsburg is not on our todo list. We are hoping > to get to Edri but that will require a guide and again permission. Some of > Douglass has been sent to us and the picture have been put up. We were > told there would be more but so far what you see is what we have gotten. > Also the Frech cemetery i! > s out of reach and we will have to rely on old recordings. These list > ing are up there to help, not prove anything. Janet said it all when she > said records do not agree. We do our best. I think I realized how much > public records can be wrong when I tried to copy the marriage idexes for > Indiana Co. Some were recorded in the grooms books and not in the brides > books, and vice versa. Also, names were recorded differently and dates. > that is wry the information is listing on treasures the way it is. Some of > names in my own family were messed up and a friend of ours found out that > his marriage is listed in either brides or grooms and not in the other > one. I usually will look to Bible Records as to being more accurate than > others but then those records can be wrong as people were not so day and > date conscious a hundred years ago as we are today. Not everyone even had > a calendar. Right now I am reading early Indiana papers for info on my own > family and am finding disagreements on information in them so don't think > that the local paper was eith! > er correct or wrong. At some time some of the gleanings from these > readings will be posted to the site, some of which have also been > furnished to us. Not doing too well on my family, I don't think they were > very newsworthy. Also a cousin ask me to make a list of the F and B listed > in the paper to be put up. Actually she wanted me to go to the courthouse > and copy them. That I am not doing. > I think you are correct Janet, this is probably a paid researcher who does > not want anyone to get anything free. A few months ago I went to > courthouse and looked up info for a relative and found nothing on the > people she was looking, She then contacted a paid researcher because she > could not believe there was nothing on these people only to find that the > researcher found just what I did--nothing. > Use the info as a basis just as you would ancestry or any other site, then > try to prove or disprove it. That can even be a problem. Also, there is a > lot of misinformation on the trees on ancestry because this is being > furnished by those who did the research. Nothing in this world is > absolute, nothing. Just have fun with what you are doing or forget it. > I've been doing this for over 38 yrs. I have had a lot of fun and a lot of > frustration. Traveled many miles and seen lots of place and met some very > nice people. It is interesting and life is not boring. Have a good day. > Connie > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Janet Tabares >>Sent: May 29, 2007 8:23 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >>PastCemeteryListings >> >>I agree, use these as a starting point. And if you find a grave that you >>are interested in, you can search findagrave and see if the person is >>listed >>there. You can also list the find and do a photo request, can use the >>information to contact the local historical/genealogical society and/or >>the >>cemetery itself and query them to see if they have the same information >>and >>if so what the documentation for it is. You can search online newspapers >>to >>see if there is corroborating evidence listed there. >> >>I wonder if the person that posted the warning has family information >>passed >>down to him/her that may/may not be correct and since what he/she found >>doesn't match what he/she has his/her personal research is threatened. >>I've >>run across this especially with beginning genealogists. "Aunt Betsy >>said...." and it turns out that Aunt Betsy told you what she either wanted >>to believe or what she thought would make a good story. This along with >>the >>assurance of a new genealogist that their family name has ALWAYS been >>spelled ____ . Another thing, just because the information is wrong in >>someone's opinion, it doesn't mean that the information was made up or >>perhaps even typed wrong. Dates and names may not be correct on stones, >>and >>they didn't just chuck the stone if a name or date was misspelled or wrong >>until recently. The stone cutter cut what he was told to. If the informant >>had incorrect information then that's what was passed on. Census records >>have errors because if the family wasn't home a neighbor may have provided >>the names/ages etc. This still occurs - I was an Office Supervisor during >>the 2000 Census and I can honestly say, that a very concerted effort was >>put >>into getting the forms filled out and there were spot checks to make sure >>that the enumerators weren't just making up information. Even so, there >>were >>some households where the only information we were able to get was the >>population count given by neighbors. All records have a possibility for >>errors. >> >>As they say, document what you found and where you found it, and check as >>many other sources that you can to corroborate what you've found. I thank >>everyone that has posted records on the internet as my funds for research >>are very limited, and I can't afford to fly to Pennsylvania, Connecticut, >>etc from Texas everytime I want to check a record. I also can't afford to >>hire a researcher in the area. Just reading the warning made me wonder >>what >>the motive was for posting it. Could it be a professional researcher that >>is angry that their business is threatened by records appearing online?? >>The >>fact that this person says that 70% of the records are wrong says to me >>that >>its an attempt to discredit the website. No one researching a family is >>going to be looking at 70% of the records on a website, even if their >>family >>never left the area. >> >>Janet Tabares >>http://janetaba.tripod.com/gen/index.html >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of TJ Shumaker >>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM >>To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >>PastCemeteryListings >> >> >>Yes - Treasures of the Past has errors - So does the National Archives, >>Mormon Records and many others - At the same time, I've found a lot of >>useful information and leads which I would have never found otherwise. >> >>I don't mean to critized this but anyone (ANYONE) who is doing Geneaology >>(or taking Genealogy) off of the internet from any source (including >>Census >>records, military records, Mormon Records, personal files, etc) should >>take >>them all with a grain of salt - - AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT ERRORS. Don't >>count on the Internet to document your family history - USE IT AS A >>STARTING >>POINT - NOT DOCUMENTATION..... >> >>I have Civil War Records with different birth and death dates for the same >>individual in the same file, which coflict with Bible Records, Death >>Records, Tombstones. >> >>And individuals make mistakes typing - Use the NET as a RESOURCE - not a >>SOURCE . . . >> >>TJ Shumaker >>http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: > >>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM >>Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past >>CemeteryListings >> >> >>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>> >>> Author: geneman1 >>> Surnames: >>> Classification: queries >>> >>> Message Board URL: >>> >>> >>http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counti >>es.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx >>> >>> Message Board Post: >>> >>> I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. >>> Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured Information. >>> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DarleneRogers31 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/1678.1687.1705.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a sarah johnston on my mothers side from Venanago PA, it lists her with a grandson Harry McConnell, this is my great-great grandfather--anyone with help on this connection please help! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello List: Why are some people always ready to down others that have taken their time to read a cemetery and post the information for all to use as a guide? What if Treasures of the Past wasn't up and running, where would you get the information? What records are 100% correct? None that I have found so far. I had a neighbor that said her birth year was incorrectly cut into her tombstone but she wasn't going to do anything about it. I have a family bible that has the wrong year of birth of the child. So, lets THANK the people that take their time to go out and gather information and furnish it for others to use as a guide. I have never seen any site that has said that everything listed is 100% gospel. Anyone that has done a lot of research will find, through time, where you find conflicting information. Keep up the good work to all of those that take their time to help others. Bobby Troup Janet Tabares wrote: > I agree, use these as a starting point. And if you find a grave that you > are interested in, you can search findagrave and see if the person is listed > there. You can also list the find and do a photo request, can use the > information to contact the local historical/genealogical society and/or the > cemetery itself and query them to see if they have the same information and > if so what the documentation for it is. You can search online newspapers to > see if there is corroborating evidence listed there. > > I wonder if the person that posted the warning has family information passed > down to him/her that may/may not be correct and since what he/she found > doesn't match what he/she has his/her personal research is threatened. I've > run across this especially with beginning genealogists. "Aunt Betsy > said...." and it turns out that Aunt Betsy told you what she either wanted > to believe or what she thought would make a good story. This along with the > assurance of a new genealogist that their family name has ALWAYS been > spelled ____ . Another thing, just because the information is wrong in > someone's opinion, it doesn't mean that the information was made up or > perhaps even typed wrong. Dates and names may not be correct on stones, and > they didn't just chuck the stone if a name or date was misspelled or wrong > until recently. The stone cutter cut what he was told to. If the informant > had incorrect information then that's what was passed on. Census records > have errors because if the family wasn't home a neighbor may have provided > the names/ages etc. This still occurs - I was an Office Supervisor during > the 2000 Census and I can honestly say, that a very concerted effort was put > into getting the forms filled out and there were spot checks to make sure > that the enumerators weren't just making up information. Even so, there were > some households where the only information we were able to get was the > population count given by neighbors. All records have a possibility for > errors. > > As they say, document what you found and where you found it, and check as > many other sources that you can to corroborate what you've found. I thank > everyone that has posted records on the internet as my funds for research > are very limited, and I can't afford to fly to Pennsylvania, Connecticut, > etc from Texas everytime I want to check a record. I also can't afford to > hire a researcher in the area. Just reading the warning made me wonder what > the motive was for posting it. Could it be a professional researcher that > is angry that their business is threatened by records appearing online?? The > fact that this person says that 70% of the records are wrong says to me that > its an attempt to discredit the website. No one researching a family is > going to be looking at 70% of the records on a website, even if their family > never left the area. > > Janet Tabares > http://janetaba.tripod.com/gen/index.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of TJ Shumaker > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the > PastCemeteryListings > > > Yes - Treasures of the Past has errors - So does the National Archives, > Mormon Records and many others - At the same time, I've found a lot of > useful information and leads which I would have never found otherwise. > > I don't mean to critized this but anyone (ANYONE) who is doing Geneaology > (or taking Genealogy) off of the internet from any source (including Census > records, military records, Mormon Records, personal files, etc) should take > them all with a grain of salt - - AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT ERRORS. Don't > count on the Internet to document your family history - USE IT AS A STARTING > POINT - NOT DOCUMENTATION..... > > I have Civil War Records with different birth and death dates for the same > individual in the same file, which coflict with Bible Records, Death > Records, Tombstones. > > And individuals make mistakes typing - Use the NET as a RESOURCE - not a > SOURCE . . . > > TJ Shumaker > http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM > Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past > CemeteryListings > > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: geneman1 >> Surnames: >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> >> > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counti > es.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx > >> Message Board Post: >> >> I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. >> Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured Information. >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I also have found Treaures to be a helpful site and appreciate all the work that goes into posting the information. My concern is about the messages that are "gate-wayed" with the notation that the poster may not be a member. Also the anonymous nature of the messages is a bit unsettling. Ann Connie <[email protected]> wrote: I don't think I could have said it better Janet. Treasures has never assumed that all of the information on the site is correct. And, a lot of the info is contributed by others. We try to get the cemetery listings correct as far as we can read them. There are I am sure typos also. After all this site has had to move several times, and once we know the info got jumbled and a lot of work had to be redone. This is no fun! Who else do you know who will go out search out cemeteries that are almost impossible to get into and are on private land. We always get permission to go into the cemeteries on private land and many times we are asked not to register where they are located as the owner does not want people trespassing on his property. We are always happy to oblige them, in this matter. After all they didn't remove the stones as we have also found. Right now we are planning to do one of these cemeteries that we have been requested to do. We will record and take phot! os of each stone and put them up, as we are doing on small cemeteries. If someone wants us to recheck a cemetery or stone we will also do that, if it is out of town we insist on being reimbursed for travel. That is only fair with gas prices what they are. We hope to finish SS Simon and Jude sometime this summer. Carla has had three foot surgeries since Dec 2004 and we have not been able to get out and do the cemeteries. We do not plan on doing St Bernards in Indiana as I understand you can now write to the church and get the info, something you could not do until recently. The old Catholic cemetery is most illegible and we do not at this time plan on doing it. St Matthews in Saltsburg is not on our todo list. We are hoping to get to Edri but that will require a guide and again permission. Some of Douglass has been sent to us and the picture have been put up. We were told there would be more but so far what you see is what we have gotten. Also the Frech cemetery i! s out of reach and we will have to rely on old recordings. These list ing are up there to help, not prove anything. Janet said it all when she said records do not agree. We do our best. I think I realized how much public records can be wrong when I tried to copy the marriage idexes for Indiana Co. Some were recorded in the grooms books and not in the brides books, and vice versa. Also, names were recorded differently and dates. that is wry the information is listing on treasures the way it is. Some of names in my own family were messed up and a friend of ours found out that his marriage is listed in either brides or grooms and not in the other one. I usually will look to Bible Records as to being more accurate than others but then those records can be wrong as people were not so day and date conscious a hundred years ago as we are today. Not everyone even had a calendar. Right now I am reading early Indiana papers for info on my own family and am finding disagreements on information in them so don't think that the local paper was eith! er correct or wrong. At some time some of the gleanings from these readings will be posted to the site, some of which have also been furnished to us. Not doing too well on my family, I don't think they were very newsworthy. Also a cousin ask me to make a list of the F and B listed in the paper to be put up. Actually she wanted me to go to the courthouse and copy them. That I am not doing. I think you are correct Janet, this is probably a paid researcher who does not want anyone to get anything free. A few months ago I went to courthouse and looked up info for a relative and found nothing on the people she was looking, She then contacted a paid researcher because she could not believe there was nothing on these people only to find that the researcher found just what I did--nothing. Use the info as a basis just as you would ancestry or any other site, then try to prove or disprove it. That can even be a problem. Also, there is a lot of misinformation on the trees on ancestry because this is being furnished by those who did the research. Nothing in this world is absolute, nothing. Just have fun with what you are doing or forget it. I've been doing this for over 38 yrs. I have had a lot of fun and a lot of frustration. Traveled many miles and seen lots of place and met some very nice people. It is interesting and life is not boring. Have a good day. Connie -----Original Message----- >From: Janet Tabares >Sent: May 29, 2007 8:23 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the PastCemeteryListings > >I agree, use these as a starting point. And if you find a grave that you >are interested in, you can search findagrave and see if the person is listed >there. You can also list the find and do a photo request, can use the >information to contact the local historical/genealogical society and/or the >cemetery itself and query them to see if they have the same information and >if so what the documentation for it is. You can search online newspapers to >see if there is corroborating evidence listed there. > >I wonder if the person that posted the warning has family information passed >down to him/her that may/may not be correct and since what he/she found >doesn't match what he/she has his/her personal research is threatened. I've >run across this especially with beginning genealogists. "Aunt Betsy >said...." and it turns out that Aunt Betsy told you what she either wanted >to believe or what she thought would make a good story. This along with the >assurance of a new genealogist that their family name has ALWAYS been >spelled ____ . Another thing, just because the information is wrong in >someone's opinion, it doesn't mean that the information was made up or >perhaps even typed wrong. Dates and names may not be correct on stones, and >they didn't just chuck the stone if a name or date was misspelled or wrong >until recently. The stone cutter cut what he was told to. If the informant >had incorrect information then that's what was passed on. Census records >have errors because if the family wasn't home a neighbor may have provided >the names/ages etc. This still occurs - I was an Office Supervisor during >the 2000 Census and I can honestly say, that a very concerted effort was put >into getting the forms filled out and there were spot checks to make sure >that the enumerators weren't just making up information. Even so, there were >some households where the only information we were able to get was the >population count given by neighbors. All records have a possibility for >errors. > >As they say, document what you found and where you found it, and check as >many other sources that you can to corroborate what you've found. I thank >everyone that has posted records on the internet as my funds for research >are very limited, and I can't afford to fly to Pennsylvania, Connecticut, >etc from Texas everytime I want to check a record. I also can't afford to >hire a researcher in the area. Just reading the warning made me wonder what >the motive was for posting it. Could it be a professional researcher that >is angry that their business is threatened by records appearing online?? The >fact that this person says that 70% of the records are wrong says to me that >its an attempt to discredit the website. No one researching a family is >going to be looking at 70% of the records on a website, even if their family >never left the area. > >Janet Tabares >http://janetaba.tripod.com/gen/index.html > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of TJ Shumaker >Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM >To: [email protected]; [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >PastCemeteryListings > > >Yes - Treasures of the Past has errors - So does the National Archives, >Mormon Records and many others - At the same time, I've found a lot of >useful information and leads which I would have never found otherwise. > >I don't mean to critized this but anyone (ANYONE) who is doing Geneaology >(or taking Genealogy) off of the internet from any source (including Census >records, military records, Mormon Records, personal files, etc) should take >them all with a grain of salt - - AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT ERRORS. Don't >count on the Internet to document your family history - USE IT AS A STARTING >POINT - NOT DOCUMENTATION..... > >I have Civil War Records with different birth and death dates for the same >individual in the same file, which coflict with Bible Records, Death >Records, Tombstones. > >And individuals make mistakes typing - Use the NET as a RESOURCE - not a >SOURCE . . . > >TJ Shumaker >http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM >Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past >CemeteryListings > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: geneman1 >> Surnames: >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> >http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counti >es.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. >> Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured Information. >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Its nice to see everyone on the same page sticking up for "Treasures of the Past". You guys are probably correct in that this is a paid researcher. I've never before seen anyone who posted a message on the Ancestry/Rootsweb boards that wanted to remain Anonymous. Is this a new thing ????? TJ Shumaker http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past CemeteryListings > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: geneman1 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. > Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured Information. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

hi gang, i am looking for a family named White,they once lived in cambria co.then moved to Indiana co.near Clymer,probably in the late 20's or early 30's,they are the children of Geoffry and Izora White,Geoffry died in 1943 and Izora died in the 90's. i think after Geoffry died Izora moved to Brookville pa.then later moved to Erie,she is burried in Lloyd cem. near Ebensburg pa. i am building a family tree and want info on the children,they are cousins of mine,but dont know where any of them is. any info would be a great help. thanks richard d.crawford Nanty-Glo,Pa. --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:23 AM >I agree, use these as a starting point. And if you find a grave that you > are interested in, you can search findagrave and see if the person is > listed > there. You can also list the find and do a photo request, can use the > information to contact the local historical/genealogical society and/or > the > cemetery itself and query them to see if they have the same information > and > if so what the documentation for it is. You can search online newspapers > to > see if there is corroborating evidence listed there. > > I wonder if the person that posted the warning has family information > passed > down to him/her that may/may not be correct and since what he/she found > doesn't match what he/she has his/her personal research is threatened. All good points. I have been doing cemeteries around Johnstown in both Cambria & Somerset Counties. I have photographed each tombstone and then linked the picture to the webpage to eliminate errors in transcribing as much as possible. Of course, the tombstone itself could have incorrect information. I have found the WPA records to be rather bad when compared to the photographs. Wrongs dates, names, etc, but it doesn't approach 70% (maybe 20-30%). More recent transcriptions, done by people who know the names on the stones, such as those at Treasures, are fairly good, and I have not yet found any significant errors. In an example of an incorrect inference, on Sunday we found a friend's grave at St Joseph's in Johnstown. The front of the stone has a man and women, same last name, side by side. The recent transcription, available on the county webpage, has them as husband and wife, but we know from personal knowledge that they were brother and sister. That one happens occasionly. Doug has been working on McDowell Cemetery. I assume he has photos, I know he has been trying to identify everyone buried there, as he has contacted me about a couple of them. So it does appear that he is being very diligent to be accurate. Brian Cartwright Johnstown

I don't think I could have said it better Janet. Treasures has never assumed that all of the information on the site is correct. And, a lot of the info is contributed by others. We try to get the cemetery listings correct as far as we can read them. There are I am sure typos also. After all this site has had to move several times, and once we know the info got jumbled and a lot of work had to be redone. This is no fun! Who else do you know who will go out search out cemeteries that are almost impossible to get into and are on private land. We always get permission to go into the cemeteries on private land and many times we are asked not to register where they are located as the owner does not want people trespassing on his property. We are always happy to oblige them, in this matter. After all they didn't remove the stones as we have also found. Right now we are planning to do one of these cemeteries that we have been requested to do. We will record and take phot! os of each stone and put them up, as we are doing on small cemeteries. If someone wants us to recheck a cemetery or stone we will also do that, if it is out of town we insist on being reimbursed for travel. That is only fair with gas prices what they are. We hope to finish SS Simon and Jude sometime this summer. Carla has had three foot surgeries since Dec 2004 and we have not been able to get out and do the cemeteries. We do not plan on doing St Bernards in Indiana as I understand you can now write to the church and get the info, something you could not do until recently. The old Catholic cemetery is most illegible and we do not at this time plan on doing it. St Matthews in Saltsburg is not on our todo list. We are hoping to get to Edri but that will require a guide and again permission. Some of Douglass has been sent to us and the picture have been put up. We were told there would be more but so far what you see is what we have gotten. Also the Frech cemetery i! s out of reach and we will have to rely on old recordings. Th! ese list ing are up there to help, not prove anything. Janet said it all when she said records do not agree. We do our best. I think I realized how much public records can be wrong when I tried to copy the marriage idexes for Indiana Co. Some were recorded in the grooms books and not in the brides books, and vice versa. Also, names were recorded differently and dates. that is wry the information is listing on treasures the way it is. Some of names in my own family were messed up and a friend of ours found out that his marriage is listed in either brides or grooms and not in the other one. I usually will look to Bible Records as to being more accurate than others but then those records can be wrong as people were not so day and date conscious a hundred years ago as we are today. Not everyone even had a calendar. Right now I am reading early Indiana papers for info on my own family and am finding disagreements on information in them so don't think that the local paper was eith! er correct or wrong. At some time some of the gleanings from these readings will be posted to the site, some of which have also been furnished to us. Not doing too well on my family, I don't think they were very newsworthy. Also a cousin ask me to make a list of the F and B listed in the paper to be put up. Actually she wanted me to go to the courthouse and copy them. That I am not doing. I think you are correct Janet, this is probably a paid researcher who does not want anyone to get anything free. A few months ago I went to courthouse and looked up info for a relative and found nothing on the people she was looking, She then contacted a paid researcher because she could not believe there was nothing on these people only to find that the researcher found just what I did--nothing. Use the info as a basis just as you would ancestry or any other site, then try to prove or disprove it. That can even be a problem. Also, there is a lot of misinformation on the trees on ancestry because this is being furnished by those who did the research. Nothing in this world is absolute, nothing. Just have fun with what you are doing or forget it. I've been doing this for over 38 yrs. I have had a lot of fun and a lot of frustration. Traveled many miles and seen lots of place and met some very nice people. It is interesting and life is not boring. Have a good day. Connie -----Original Message----- >From: Janet Tabares <[email protected]> >Sent: May 29, 2007 8:23 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the PastCemeteryListings > >I agree, use these as a starting point. And if you find a grave that you >are interested in, you can search findagrave and see if the person is listed >there. You can also list the find and do a photo request, can use the >information to contact the local historical/genealogical society and/or the >cemetery itself and query them to see if they have the same information and >if so what the documentation for it is. You can search online newspapers to >see if there is corroborating evidence listed there. > >I wonder if the person that posted the warning has family information passed >down to him/her that may/may not be correct and since what he/she found >doesn't match what he/she has his/her personal research is threatened. I've >run across this especially with beginning genealogists. "Aunt Betsy >said...." and it turns out that Aunt Betsy told you what she either wanted >to believe or what she thought would make a good story. This along with the >assurance of a new genealogist that their family name has ALWAYS been >spelled ____ . Another thing, just because the information is wrong in >someone's opinion, it doesn't mean that the information was made up or >perhaps even typed wrong. Dates and names may not be correct on stones, and >they didn't just chuck the stone if a name or date was misspelled or wrong >until recently. The stone cutter cut what he was told to. If the informant >had incorrect information then that's what was passed on. Census records >have errors because if the family wasn't home a neighbor may have provided >the names/ages etc. This still occurs - I was an Office Supervisor during >the 2000 Census and I can honestly say, that a very concerted effort was put >into getting the forms filled out and there were spot checks to make sure >that the enumerators weren't just making up information. Even so, there were >some households where the only information we were able to get was the >population count given by neighbors. All records have a possibility for >errors. > >As they say, document what you found and where you found it, and check as >many other sources that you can to corroborate what you've found. I thank >everyone that has posted records on the internet as my funds for research >are very limited, and I can't afford to fly to Pennsylvania, Connecticut, >etc from Texas everytime I want to check a record. I also can't afford to >hire a researcher in the area. Just reading the warning made me wonder what >the motive was for posting it. Could it be a professional researcher that >is angry that their business is threatened by records appearing online?? The >fact that this person says that 70% of the records are wrong says to me that >its an attempt to discredit the website. No one researching a family is >going to be looking at 70% of the records on a website, even if their family >never left the area. > >Janet Tabares >http://janetaba.tripod.com/gen/index.html > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of TJ Shumaker >Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM >To: [email protected]; [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >PastCemeteryListings > > >Yes - Treasures of the Past has errors - So does the National Archives, >Mormon Records and many others - At the same time, I've found a lot of >useful information and leads which I would have never found otherwise. > >I don't mean to critized this but anyone (ANYONE) who is doing Geneaology >(or taking Genealogy) off of the internet from any source (including Census >records, military records, Mormon Records, personal files, etc) should take >them all with a grain of salt - - AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT ERRORS. Don't >count on the Internet to document your family history - USE IT AS A STARTING >POINT - NOT DOCUMENTATION..... > >I have Civil War Records with different birth and death dates for the same >individual in the same file, which coflict with Bible Records, Death >Records, Tombstones. > >And individuals make mistakes typing - Use the NET as a RESOURCE - not a >SOURCE . . . > >TJ Shumaker >http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM >Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past >CemeteryListings > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: geneman1 >> Surnames: >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> >http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counti >es.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. >> Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured Information. >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

In a message dated 5/28/2007 11:24:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured Information. **** Sorry to disagree, but the wonderful folks who spent hundreds of hours transcribing some pretty old and unreadable tombstones did an incredible job trying to make as accurate listing as possible of those buried at so many of these out-of-the-way cemeteries. I for one got "hooked" on family history because I accidentally found one of their cemetery sites, and "the rest is history," as they say. I for one would like to THANK EVERYONE who volunteers their time doing this time-consuming work for all of us who can't personally get to the cemeteries to look for ourselves. So "THANK YOU, TREASURES" for all your hard work! ~ Sue in Virginia ~ ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I agree, use these as a starting point. And if you find a grave that you are interested in, you can search findagrave and see if the person is listed there. You can also list the find and do a photo request, can use the information to contact the local historical/genealogical society and/or the cemetery itself and query them to see if they have the same information and if so what the documentation for it is. You can search online newspapers to see if there is corroborating evidence listed there. I wonder if the person that posted the warning has family information passed down to him/her that may/may not be correct and since what he/she found doesn't match what he/she has his/her personal research is threatened. I've run across this especially with beginning genealogists. "Aunt Betsy said...." and it turns out that Aunt Betsy told you what she either wanted to believe or what she thought would make a good story. This along with the assurance of a new genealogist that their family name has ALWAYS been spelled ____ . Another thing, just because the information is wrong in someone's opinion, it doesn't mean that the information was made up or perhaps even typed wrong. Dates and names may not be correct on stones, and they didn't just chuck the stone if a name or date was misspelled or wrong until recently. The stone cutter cut what he was told to. If the informant had incorrect information then that's what was passed on. Census records have errors because if the family wasn't home a neighbor may have provided the names/ages etc. This still occurs - I was an Office Supervisor during the 2000 Census and I can honestly say, that a very concerted effort was put into getting the forms filled out and there were spot checks to make sure that the enumerators weren't just making up information. Even so, there were some households where the only information we were able to get was the population count given by neighbors. All records have a possibility for errors. As they say, document what you found and where you found it, and check as many other sources that you can to corroborate what you've found. I thank everyone that has posted records on the internet as my funds for research are very limited, and I can't afford to fly to Pennsylvania, Connecticut, etc from Texas everytime I want to check a record. I also can't afford to hire a researcher in the area. Just reading the warning made me wonder what the motive was for posting it. Could it be a professional researcher that is angry that their business is threatened by records appearing online?? The fact that this person says that 70% of the records are wrong says to me that its an attempt to discredit the website. No one researching a family is going to be looking at 70% of the records on a website, even if their family never left the area. Janet Tabares http://janetaba.tripod.com/gen/index.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of TJ Shumaker Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the PastCemeteryListings Yes - Treasures of the Past has errors - So does the National Archives, Mormon Records and many others - At the same time, I've found a lot of useful information and leads which I would have never found otherwise. I don't mean to critized this but anyone (ANYONE) who is doing Geneaology (or taking Genealogy) off of the internet from any source (including Census records, military records, Mormon Records, personal files, etc) should take them all with a grain of salt - - AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT ERRORS. Don't count on the Internet to document your family history - USE IT AS A STARTING POINT - NOT DOCUMENTATION..... I have Civil War Records with different birth and death dates for the same individual in the same file, which coflict with Bible Records, Death Records, Tombstones. And individuals make mistakes typing - Use the NET as a RESOURCE - not a SOURCE . . . TJ Shumaker http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past CemeteryListings > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: geneman1 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counti es.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. > Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured Information. >

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Yes - Treasures of the Past has errors - So does the National Archives, Mormon Records and many others - At the same time, I've found a lot of useful information and leads which I would have never found otherwise. I don't mean to critized this but anyone (ANYONE) who is doing Geneaology (or taking Genealogy) off of the internet from any source (including Census records, military records, Mormon Records, personal files, etc) should take them all with a grain of salt - - AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT ERRORS. Don't count on the Internet to document your family history - USE IT AS A STARTING POINT - NOT DOCUMENTATION..... I have Civil War Records with different birth and death dates for the same individual in the same file, which coflict with Bible Records, Death Records, Tombstones. And individuals make mistakes typing - Use the NET as a RESOURCE - not a SOURCE . . . TJ Shumaker http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past CemeteryListings > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: geneman1 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. > Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured Information. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Irishlovey_1 Surnames: HUBBARD, STEBBINS , LARSON, CROSCUT, WAIT, STERNS, WHITMORE, VINCENT, DAVIS MENAAR , WILTSIE, DISALVO , BOWEN, WALLACE, CASLER, GRAHAM, CHIPPS, STEBBINS, CLUTE, RHULING, DART, GULICK, STERNS, TIBBALS, PHELPS , ASPDEN, HUNTLEY, REED, BEACH, DEWEY, OLIVER, HAIG, WILLARD, OVERLANDER, ANDERSON, RICE, WHITNEY , HILLMAN , MARTINDALE, BOWEN, TILLOTSON, CARD, SKINNER, HARTWILL, HEMSTREET, BOYTON, APPLEGATE, LORD, GRAHAM , EGGLESTON, CROSCUT, Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6284/mb.ashx Message Board Post: WAITS CORNERS CEMETERY SHERMAN, NY Name &Family Dates, age,, LARSON Earl F. 1906 - 1947 Harry 1890 - 1916 Caroline 1865 - 1935 John L. 1857 - 1923 CROSCUT John 1862 - 1941 Delia G. 1865 - 1936 Bertha L. 1890 - 1899 Dorothy L. Aug 11, 1900 - May 6, 1901 Donel Aug 11, 1900 - Oct 27, 1900 Baby Feb 12, 1886 - Feb 12, 1886 WAIT Gershom d. Mar 12, 1855 aged 73y 16d Miriam w/o Gershom d. May 18, 1843 aged 65y 8m 28d field stone J.P.A. field stone E.M.C. STERNS Clara Bell, dau of Wm. &Mary d. May 9, 1873 aged 25d Freddie L. son of Wm. &Mary d. Oct 18, 1880 aged 6y 7m 10d William J. Co. H 112th NYSV 1834 - 1923 Mary M. 1842 - 1920 WHITMORE Jay s/o D.R. &S.P. died March 11, 18557 age 11mo Sarah P. w/o David died Aug. 16, 1856 age 22y 2m WILLARD Rachel J. w/o Erial Willard died Feb 17, 1846 age 23yrs. VINCENT Jay Smith s/o Sampson &Rhoda Vincent d. Sep 12, 1875 in 27th yr. EDWARDS William Henry s/o Wm. S. &Clarissa Co G. 72nd Reg. NYSV killed at the battle of Malvern Hill, VA July 1, 1862 - aged 22y 7m Clarissa b. June 20, 1819 - d. Feb 4, 1910 90y 7m 14d W.S. b. Oct 27, 1817 - d. Apr 2, 1892 DAVIS R.S. d. Feb 16, 1874 aged 84y 9m DAVIS Lydia d. Feb 11, 1891 aged 86y 7m 16d Samuel 1834 - 1913 James R. s/o Reynolds &Lydia Davis Co H 112th NYSV killed at battle of Carrsville, Va. May 15, 1863 aged 19yrs 6mo 25das. MENAAR Jane A. wife of N. Menaar 1843 - 1865 Cyntha M. wife of N. Menaar 1836 - 1856 WILTSIE May H. 1861 - 1914 Amanzo S. 1858 - 1939 DiSALVO Mabelle W. 1886 - 19 Charles 1888 - 19 BOWEN Henry M. of town of Harmony a member of co. E. 112th Reg NYSV- killed in the charge on Fort Fisher, N. C. d. Jan 15, 1865 aged 32yrs 6mo 12da. WALLACE Ellen w/o Robert d. Jan 22, 1852 aged 25yrs. CASLER Abraham d. Feb 21, 1853 aged 52y 7m 5d Maria w/o Abraham d. Nov 28, 1895 aged 90y 1m 3d GRAHAM Sidney D. 1860 - 1916 CHIPPS Allie G. 1859 - 1938 STEBBINS Martha J. d/o Loren &Eunice d. Feb 12, 1868 39y 8m 4d Julius s/o Loren &Eunice Stebbins pvt. in Co. H. 112th Reg. NYSV d. Suffolk, Va May 31, 1863 ae 22y 6m 26d Loren b. Nov 27, 1804 - d. July 20, 1888 Eunice w/o Loren b. Sep 13, 1809 - d. Feb 27, 1881 CLUTE John 1829 - 1905 Sarah Ann w/o John d. Apr 22, 1878 age 42y 10m 18d Eva Marie d/o John &Sarah ???? (baby) ??? RHULING Jacob A. s/o F. J. &Lydia d. March 2, 1882 ae 21y 2m Lydia M. w/o F. J. d. Mar 11, 1862(?) aged 27y 7m 10d CLUTE Barbara Stuart w/o Jacob d. Apr 7 1872 ae 56y 3m 13d Jacob P. d. Dec 11 1873 ae 67y 4m 20d DART Henry L. s/o Luther &Mary Dart died 1844 STEBBINS Dexter d. Feb 2 1845 ae 44y 2m 10d Eliza relict of Dexter d. Jan 22 1860 ae 52yrs David d. May 3 1835 ae 56y 3m 13d Irene (Collins) w/o David d. April 1859 ae 81y 9m 3d GULICK Cornelius C. d. Oct 15 1887 age 78y 8m Ann w/o Cornelius d. Aug 14 1874 aged 84y 7m 15d STERNS Sylvester d. June 23 1874 age 80y 1m 12d penciled in b. May 6 1803 and 12d to 17d Calista w/o Sylvester d. Feb 25 1870 ae 61y 13d TIBBALS Nathaniel d. June 13 1874 ae 92y 4m 9d Cyna his wife d. Mar 17 1858 ae 72y 4m Hiram d. May 30 1882 ae 72y 3m 28d Samantha Stebbins w/o Hiram d. Mar 20 1900 ae 82y 7m 4d PHELPS William H. 1838 - 1905 Rachel his wife 1836 - 1916 Ida May d/o Wm &Rachel d. Aug 24 1878 ae 4yrs Alvin L. s/o Wm &Rachel d. Dec 15 1867 ae 5y 4m 5d ASPDEN Joseph d. Mar 17 1867 ae 67y 2m Elizabeth his wife d. July 3 1879 ae 84y 25d WAIT Mary Jane w/o William O. d. MAr 25 1846 ae 20y 8m 22d Josiah s/o Gershom &Mariam d. Sept 2 1845 ae 39y 2m 6d HUNTLEY Joseph W. 1812 - 1891 Mary E. his wife 1811 - 1897 S. Higgins 1843 - 1850 Mary E. 1849 - 1892 Wm. P. 1847 - 1925 Willie s/o W.H. &D.L.1888 - 1889 REED Ely 1771 - 1850 Phebe his wife 1776 - 1850 Caroline E. Reed 1819 - 1892 she may have been md to a Huntley both same lot. RICE little Hattie d/o ?Smith? and Charlotte Rice d. Oct 11 1878 ae 1y 16d BEACH Emily 1835 - 1900 same lot as below DEWEY Mildred J. May 15 1899 - Apr 22 1952 PHELPS Angeline B. w/o John H. d. Sept 15 1856 ae 20y 3m George W. b. Lyme, Con. d. Jan 2 1877 ae 73y 4m 18d Sarah L. w/o George W. b. Lyme, Con d. Dec 12 1874 ae 67y 6m 23d (same lot as Angeline Vincent) STEBBINS Moses d. Apr 15 1884 aged 82yrs. Sally his wife d. Aug 14 1885 aged 79yrs. Samuel T. d. Dec 8 1838 aged 11y 11m STERNS Sylvester s/o S.S. &Calista d. Dec 7 1851 ae 11y 8m 7d OLIVER infant dau. of John &Elizabeth d. June 29 1812 ? James H. so of John &Elizabeth d. Dec 29 1813? HUBBARD Joseph A. Jr. d. Apr 8 1877 ae 55y 10m 28d Elizabeth his wife d. July 31 1865 ae 79y 4m 27d Joseph A. d. Feb 3 1853 aged 64y 10m HAIG Elizabeth w/o Jonathan d. Aug 15 1854 ae 35y 10m 25d OLIVER Elder John d. Feb 12 1846 in 31 year of his age. same lot as Elizabeth Haig WILLARD Rachel J. d/o Erial &Rachel d. Oct 3 1854 ae 8y 8m 18d Delia L. d/o Erial &Rachel d. Sept 28 1854 aged mother on another lot. VINCENT Angeline B. w/o John H. d. Sep 15 1854 ae 20y 3m (see also Phelps above) HUBBARD Horace H. b. Aug 26 1839 d. Oct 27 1859 Harriet b. Mar 5 1812 d. May 15 1857 penciled in Harriet (Briggs) w/o Nehemiah pars. of Henry Nehemiah b. Sep 13 1812 d. Sep 16 1889 field stone A.P.S. field stone L.M.A. OVERLANDER Chris B. 1891 - 1924 Martha S. 1864 - 1946 field stone A.B.V. ANDERSON Warren d. Apr 27 1874 ae 70 yrs 6m 10d Lucy M. w/o/Warren d. June 13 1868 ae 57yrs Ada M. d/o Warren &Lucy d. June 22 1865 ages 9yrs RICE William d. Apr 34 1889 aged 64y 1m 8d Mary S. w/o Wm. d. Jan 10 1877 ae 51y 10m 7d field stone E.W. No surname given Martha J. d. Oct 5 1842 age 1m 2d David G. d. Mar 18 1845 age 11m 18d these are perhaps WHITNEY - same lot as those below WHITNEY Jane w/o Truman d. Oct 4 1852 ae 33y 3m David N. s/o Truman &Jane d. Nov 11 1854 ae 4y 2m Truman b. Mar 18 1818 d. Dec 3 1887 HILLMAN Della w/o W.h. Hillman 1877 - 1905 DAVIS John C. 1835 - 1912 Nancy L. 1846 - 1922 Baby M.E.S. MARTINDALE Freddie C. s/o J.S. &E.S. d. Aug 30 1854 ae 5m 10d Electa S. w/o John d. Dec 1 1883 ae 37y 11m 1d field stones H.H. E.W.W. A.M.C. W.P. J.A.R. BOWEN Eliza A. w/o Irvin d. Aug 30 1854 ae 16y 9m 20d TILLOTSON Silas d. May 11 1863 age 56 yrs Lucy d. Oct 12 1870 age 55 yrs. CARD Sylvia w/o Lorenzo D. Card d. Apr 11 1871 ae 50y 10m 20d HUBBARD Nathaniel b. Oct 28 1816 d. not carved? Sarah Jane wife b. Jan 11 1824 d. Dec 22 1886 William H. Co. H. 112th Reg NY Vol., b. Oct 2 1842 d. Nov 2 1864 Flora E. b. Nov 19 1862 d. Aug 23 1865 SKINNER Lucy H. w/o J.H. Sr. d. Feb 21 1870 ae 78y 4m Lydia 1825 - 1907 HUBBARD Clara w/o John d. May 4 1871 ae 18y 9m 1d John F. (father) 1846 - 1925 Amelia F. (mother) 1851 - 1915 Cora E. d/o John &Amelia d. Mar 18 1880 ae 1m 3d Baby Baby STEBBINS _______ w/o Richard Stebbins d. Jan 3 1864 age 31 yrs. Richard B. d. Sept 5 1861 age 30 yrs. HUBBARD Lucy A. w/o Charles W. d. Dec 16 1869 ae 24y 9m 11d HARTWILL unclear if first or last name 1823 - 1890 HEMSTREET Eugene s/o H &S Hemstreet d. Apr 19 1875 ae 21y 6m 15d Dell 1858 - 1934 BOYTON Mae H. 1873 - 1947 small marker P.E. ??????????? Andrew s/o Harold &Susan d. Mar 7 1876 ae 3y 11m 26d APPLEGATE John P. d/ Dec 4 1866 age 31y 24d Levi s/o John &Jane d. Dec 25 1854 age 15y 10m 25d Jane - there is no stone for Jane but from Chaut. VR 136 Jane d. 3-4-1890 ae 71y11m dau of Cornelius and Ann Gulick. Burial in Waits Corners. LORD Dora Hubbard 1865 - 1935 Rachel J. 1838 - 1921 Henry H. 1832 - 1908 GRAHAM Harriet Stebbins w/o Aretus Graham 1830 - 1898 (mother) Jesse H. s/o Aretus &H. d. Feb 1 1881 ae 15y 9m 1d Moses A. b. May 29 1858 d. Aug 14 1890 GRAHAM Aretus Graham d. Mar 13 1866 aged 76yrs 2mo 15d Sarah wife d. July 9 1873 age 79y 3m 6d Aretus S. d Mar 9 1883 ae 62 yr 1m 3d EGGLESTON Patty w/o Ralfe Eggleston d. Mar 10 1817 age 25 yrs CROSCUT Fred B. 1888 - 1945 Clara G. 1889 - 1953 (PS,,,,,,, ) (**Lovina Hubbard, Widowed. was liveing in Sherman NY, Chautauyae co, NY, in 1880, census, liveing alone. born abt 1807, her mother and father born in Vermont, ( LOVINA wife of Nathaniel S, Hubbard born nov, 27, 1787, died, March, 28, 1841 53, years Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WMKeck Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6283.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: David, A listing for the Cookport Lutheran Cemetery can be found at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~treasures/pa/indiana/green/cookportluth.htm Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.