This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RMurray99 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6286.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 13 Jan 1910 - Indiana Evening Gazette - PALMERS HAD BEEN DRINKING HEAVILY - A Family Quarrel at the Bottom of Blacklick Tragedy - HILL GIRL DID NO WRONG - Drink and not a faithless husband's improper act is given as a cause of the Blacklick shooting Sunday, Jan. 9, when Mrs. Charles Palmer shot her husband in the hip with a 32 calibre rifle, County Detective Josiah Neal investigated the case and he is convinced that Mr. and Mrs. Palmer had been drinking heavily. Mrs. Palmer has told two widely different stories, at first saying that she shot her husband because he was drunk and then claiming that her husband was faithless in enticing a Hill girl and that this led to the tragedy. The little Hill girl tells a story that exonerates her. She went to the Palmer house to listen to their graphophone and as her feet were wet through having walked in the snow and slush, she took here shoes off and put them into the oven to dry. Palmer was laying on his bed in a drunken stupor and whe! n he failed to answer his wife's summons, she uttered a terrible oath and said she would shoot him. The Hill girl grabbed her shoes and coat and fled from the house. She was in the yard when Mrs. Palmer shot her husband. Palmer's wound is giving Dr. Heagy much trouble and it is feared that he may not recover. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RMurray99 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6286/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 12 Jan 1910 - Indiana Progress - BLACKLICK WOMAN SHOT UNFAITHFUL MAN - ALLEGED TO HAVE DISCOVERED HIM IN CRIMINAL INTIMACY WITH YOUNG GIRL - Charles L. Palmer receivced rifle bullet in hip when woman found him with fourteen year old Lizzie Hill - Tragedy occurred at the Palmer home Sunday evening - A revolting tragedy occurred at Blacklick on Sunday evening when Charles Palmer, aged about 35 years, was shot in the back with a rifle in the hands of his wife, Emma Palmer, when, it is alleged, she discovered him in the act of criminal intimacy with Lizzie Hill, a 14-year-old girl residing near Blacklick. The shooting occurred about seven o'clock at the Palmer Home. Dr. Healey, of Blacklick, was summoned and fount that the ball had entered the hip and lodged near the spine. Palmer is in a serious condidtion. Palmer is a platerer, He has lived in Blacklick with the woman who did the shooting four or five years. Her maiden name was Emma Brink. Lizzie Hill, the young girl in the case, is a daughter of Levi Hill, and lives near Blacklick. She is said to be about 14 years of age. It is alleged that she visited the Palmer home several time to see Mrs. Palmer. She is said to have spent Sunday afternoon there and it is alleged that during a temporary absence of Mrs. Palmer, the man induced Lizzie *** bed room with him. Entering *** room later Mrs. Palmer is alleged to have found the man and girl in an incriminating position. Securing a 38 calibre rifle from another room, she alleged to have shot Palmer in the back before her presence in the room was known to either the man or girl. Palmer's condition was reported as more serious last night, but it is believed that he will recover if complications do not develope. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

The 1910 Census shows Charles L. Palmer 41 M1 PA PA PA making his home at the Indiana County Jail. It alson shows Emm Palmer 28 M1 PA PA PA living at the Allegheny County Workhouse and Inebriate Asylum. Shirley ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I probably missed some of this information. I have a Charles Palmer married to a Laura Mary Smyers, is this the same Charles Palmer? Thanks Doreen ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Charles Palmer - Follow-up Story > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: RMurray99 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6286.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > 13 Jan 1910 - Indiana Evening Gazette - PALMERS HAD BEEN DRINKING > HEAVILY - A Family Quarrel at the Bottom of Blacklick Tragedy - HILL GIRL > DID NO WRONG - Drink and not a faithless husband's improper act is given > as a cause of the Blacklick shooting Sunday, Jan. 9, when Mrs. Charles > Palmer shot her husband in the hip with a 32 calibre rifle, County > Detective Josiah Neal investigated the case and he is convinced that Mr. > and Mrs. Palmer had been drinking heavily. Mrs. Palmer has told two widely > different stories, at first saying that she shot her husband because he > was drunk and then claiming that her husband was faithless in enticing a > Hill girl and that this led to the tragedy. The little Hill girl tells a > story that exonerates her. She went to the Palmer house to listen to their > graphophone and as her feet were wet through having walked in the snow and > slush, she took here shoes off and put them into the oven to dry. Palmer > was laying on his bed in a drunken stupor and whe! > n he failed to answer his wife's summons, she uttered a terrible oath and > said she would shoot him. The Hill girl grabbed her shoes and coat and > fled from the house. She was in the yard when Mrs. Palmer shot her > husband. Palmer's wound is giving Dr. Heagy much trouble and it is feared > that he may not recover. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PatPoore Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/1358.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Barry: Our Albert is Albert Cantwell BROWN. (Noticed the Alfred C. BROWN in your post.) Will wind up my BROWN research later this year. Would you like a copy? Regards, PAT Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PatPoore Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/3578.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have found Charles. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Sorry! -------------- Original message -------------- From: "TLN" <[email protected]> > Scottie; > > PLEASE change your subject line!! > > -Tom > Indiana COunty listowner > > > On 2 Jun 2007 at 17:32, [email protected] wrote: > > > Where are you? Live in Florida also and have for almost 21 years!! > > Scottie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Where are you? Live in Florida also and have for almost 21 years!! Scottie -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Schreck" <[email protected]> > Living in FL now I can only get back home once a year for the Schreckengost > Family Reunion at Memorial Park New Kensington last Sunday of July. Ancestry > dot com just put a ton of information out free of charge and it overwhelms > me how many Schrecongost > born in Jefferson County 1893 (Rathmel) his father Philip 1861 buried in > Reynoldsville, his father Solomon1830 at Pine Creek, his dad Samuel 1796 at > Gastown. Samuel is a son of Johann Heinrich (Henry) 1751 and so on. I would > like to know where he is buried, my GGGGgf. > Thanks Scottie! > > > >I worked with a Doris Schrengost at Indiana Hospital many years ago...can't > >remember what her husbands name was though? > > Scottie > > > > >> >Talk about a headache, try my name. The spelling first changed 1805 > > >> >when we > >> >moved to Armstrong, from there the family spread out over the county and > >> >changed the spelling even more. I know of an obituary that got one > >> >letter > >> >wrong and that changes the family and everybody is wrong from there on. > >> >I > >> >know I'm right because I know the grandson. Search engines will covert > >> >spelling to add results, so much fun. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Scottie; PLEASE change your subject line!! -Tom Indiana COunty listowner On 2 Jun 2007 at 17:32, [email protected] wrote: > Where are you? Live in Florida also and have for almost 21 years!! > Scottie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: emschenk Surnames: Bartlebaugh, McDowell, Kerr Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6285.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have one Kerr in the family with only this bit of information. Hulda Bartlebaugh b 15 Dec 1893 d 12 Jul 1969 m 1) James McDowell 5-1 James McDowell b 22 Aug 1909 d 3 Sep 1973 b 1888 d 1964 m 2) Logan M Kerr in 1915 Often wondered if this family was the same Kerr family of the boy that was in my Indiana High School Class in the 1950s Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

PLEASE edit the subject line when hitting reply. -Tom On 2 Jun 2007 at 6:08, wrote: > Living in FL

Living in FL now I can only get back home once a year for the Schreckengost Family Reunion at Memorial Park New Kensington last Sunday of July. Ancestry dot com just put a ton of information out free of charge and it overwhelms me how many Schrecongost <spelling) served in the wars. My grandfather was born in Jefferson County 1893 (Rathmel) his father Philip 1861 buried in Reynoldsville, his father Solomon1830 at Pine Creek, his dad Samuel 1796 at Gastown. Samuel is a son of Johann Heinrich (Henry) 1751 and so on. I would like to know where he is buried, my GGGGgf. Thanks Scottie! >I worked with a Doris Schrengost at Indiana Hospital many years ago...can't >remember what her husbands name was though? > Scottie > > >> >Talk about a headache, try my name. The spelling first changed 1805 > >> >when we >> >moved to Armstrong, from there the family spread out over the county and >> >changed the spelling even more. I know of an obituary that got one >> >letter >> >wrong and that changes the family and everybody is wrong from there on. >> >I >> >know I'm right because I know the grandson. Search engines will covert >> >spelling to add results, so much fun.

I worked with a Doris Schrengost at Indiana Hospital many years ago...can't remember what her husbands name was though? Scottie -------------- Original message -------------- From: Connie <[email protected]> > Hi John: > > You have my sympathy. I have an aunt who married Geo Schreckengost (or however > you want to spell it) Also, Margaret Weaver who married Miles Washington > Schreckengost (ditto) and a whole lot more on my tree. I think an aunt who > married Eli. I have several surnames like that but yours is one of the ones I > have a lot of problem with. They are all the same people from over there in > Armstrong Co, but.... don't try to tell some of them that. Welcome to the fun > of genealogy! Connie > -----Original Message----- > >From: Schreck > >Sent: May 30, 2007 10:16 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of > thePastCemeteryListings > > > >From: John Schrecongost [email protected] > >Subject: Errors > >Talk about a headache, try my name. The spelling first changed 1805 when we > >moved to Armstrong, from there the family spread out over the county and > >changed the spelling even more. I know of an obituary that got one letter > >wrong and that changes the family and everybody is wrong from there on. I > >know I'm right because I know the grandson. Search engines will covert > >spelling to add results, so much fun. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "ann monastra" > >To: "Connie" ; > >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:02 PM > >Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of > >thePastCemeteryListings > > > > > >>I also have found Treaures to be a helpful site and appreciate all the work > >>that goes into posting the information. My concern is about the messages > >>that are "gate-wayed" with the notation that the poster may not be a > >>member. Also the anonymous nature of the messages is a bit unsettling. > >> > >> Ann > >> > >> Connie wrote: > >> I don't think I could have said it better Janet. Treasures has never > >> assumed that all of the information on the site is correct. And, a lot of > >> the info is contributed by others. We try to get the cemetery listings > >> correct as far as we can read them. There are I am sure typos also. After > >> all this site has had to move several times, and once we know the info got > >> jumbled and a lot of work had to be redone. This is no fun! Who else do > >> you know who will go out search out cemeteries that are almost impossible > >> to get into and are on private land. We always get permission to go into > >> the cemeteries on private land and many times we are asked not to register > >> where they are located as the owner does not want people trespassing on > >> his property. We are always happy to oblige them, in this matter. After > >> all they didn't remove the stones as we have also found. Right now we are > >> planning to do one of these cemeteries that we have been requested to do. > >> We will record and take phot! > >> os of each stone and put them up, as we are doing on small cemeteries. If > >> someone wants us to recheck a cemetery or stone we will also do that, if > >> it is out of town we insist on being reimbursed for travel. That is only > >> fair with gas prices what they are. We hope to finish SS Simon and Jude > >> sometime this summer. Carla has had three foot surgeries since Dec 2004 > >> and we have not been able to get out and do the cemeteries. We do not plan > >> on doing St Bernards in Indiana as I understand you can now write to the > >> church and get the info, something you could not do until recently. The > >> old Catholic cemetery is most illegible and we do not at this time plan on > >> doing it. St Matthews in Saltsburg is not on our todo list. We are hoping > >> to get to Edri but that will require a guide and again permission. Some of > >> Douglass has been sent to us and the picture have been put up. We were > >> told there would be more but so far what you see is what we have gotten. > >> Also the Frech cemetery i! > >> s out of reach and we will have to rely on old recordings. These list > >> ing are up there to help, not prove anything. Janet said it all when she > >> said records do not agree. We do our best. I think I realized how much > >> public records can be wrong when I tried to copy the marriage idexes for > >> Indiana Co. Some were recorded in the grooms books and not in the brides > >> books, and vice versa. Also, names were recorded differently and dates. > >> that is wry the information is listing on treasures the way it is. Some of > >> names in my own family were messed up and a friend of ours found out that > >> his marriage is listed in either brides or grooms and not in the other > >> one. I usually will look to Bible Records as to being more accurate than > >> others but then those records can be wrong as people were not so day and > >> date conscious a hundred years ago as we are today. Not everyone even had > >> a calendar. Right now I am reading early Indiana papers for info on my own > >> family and am finding disagreements on information in them so don't think > >> that the local paper was eith! > >> er correct or wrong. At some time some of the gleanings from these > >> readings will be posted to the site, some of which have also been > >> furnished to us. Not doing too well on my family, I don't think they were > >> very newsworthy. Also a cousin ask me to make a list of the F and B listed > >> in the paper to be put up. Actually she wanted me to go to the courthouse > >> and copy them. That I am not doing. > >> I think you are correct Janet, this is probably a paid researcher who does > >> not want anyone to get anything free. A few months ago I went to > >> courthouse and looked up info for a relative and found nothing on the > >> people she was looking, She then contacted a paid researcher because she > >> could not believe there was nothing on these people only to find that the > >> researcher found just what I did--nothing. > >> Use the info as a basis just as you would ancestry or any other site, then > >> try to prove or disprove it. That can even be a problem. Also, there is a > >> lot of misinformation on the trees on ancestry because this is being > >> furnished by those who did the research. Nothing in this world is > >> absolute, nothing. Just have fun with what you are doing or forget it. > >> I've been doing this for over 38 yrs. I have had a lot of fun and a lot of > >> frustration. Traveled many miles and seen lots of place and met some very > >> nice people. It is interesting and life is not boring. Have a good day. > >> Connie > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >>>From: Janet Tabares > >>>Sent: May 29, 2007 8:23 AM > >>>To: [email protected] > >>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the > >>>PastCemeteryListings > >>> > >>>I agree, use these as a starting point. And if you find a grave that you > >>>are interested in, you can search findagrave and see if the person is > >>>listed > >>>there. You can also list the find and do a photo request, can use the > >>>information to contact the local historical/genealogical society and/or > >>>the > >>>cemetery itself and query them to see if they have the same information > >>>and > >>>if so what the documentation for it is. You can search online newspapers > >>>to > >>>see if there is corroborating evidence listed there. > >>> > >>>I wonder if the person that posted the warning has family information > >>>passed > >>>down to him/her that may/may not be correct and since what he/she found > >>>doesn't match what he/she has his/her personal research is threatened. > >>>I've > >>>run across this especially with beginning genealogists. "Aunt Betsy > >>>said...." and it turns out that Aunt Betsy told you what she either wanted > >>>to believe or what she thought would make a good story. This along with > >>>the > >>>assurance of a new genealogist that their family name has ALWAYS been > >>>spelled ____ . Another thing, just because the information is wrong in > >>>someone's opinion, it doesn't mean that the information was made up or > >>>perhaps even typed wrong. Dates and names may not be correct on stones, > >>>and > >>>they didn't just chuck the stone if a name or date was misspelled or wrong > >>>until recently. The stone cutter cut what he was told to. If the informant > >>>had incorrect information then that's what was passed on. Census records > >>>have errors because if the family wasn't home a neighbor may have provided > >>>the names/ages etc. This still occurs - I was an Office Supervisor during > >>>the 2000 Census and I can honestly say, that a very concerted effort was > >>>put > >>>into getting the forms filled out and there were spot checks to make sure > >>>that the enumerators weren't just making up information. Even so, there > >>>were > >>>some households where the only information we were able to get was the > >>>population count given by neighbors. All records have a possibility for > >>>errors. > >>> > >>>As they say, document what you found and where you found it, and check as > >>>many other sources that you can to corroborate what you've found. I thank > >>>everyone that has posted records on the internet as my funds for research > >>>are very limited, and I can't afford to fly to Pennsylvania, Connecticut, > >>>etc from Texas everytime I want to check a record. I also can't afford to > >>>hire a researcher in the area. Just reading the warning made me wonder > >>>what > >>>the motive was for posting it. Could it be a professional researcher that > >>>is angry that their business is threatened by records appearing online?? > >>>The > >>>fact that this person says that 70% of the records are wrong says to me > >>>that > >>>its an attempt to discredit the website. No one researching a family is > >>>going to be looking at 70% of the records on a website, even if their > >>>family > >>>never left the area. > >>> > >>>Janet Tabares > >>>http://janetaba.tripod.com/gen/index.html > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: [email protected] > >>>[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of TJ Shumaker > >>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM > >>>To: [email protected]; [email protected] > >>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the > >>>PastCemeteryListings > >>> > >>> > >>>Yes - Treasures of the Past has errors - So does the National Archives, > >>>Mormon Records and many others - At the same time, I've found a lot of > >>>useful information and leads which I would have never found otherwise. > >>> > >>>I don't mean to critized this but anyone (ANYONE) who is doing Geneaology > >>>(or taking Genealogy) off of the internet from any source (including > >>>Census > >>>records, military records, Mormon Records, personal files, etc) should > >>>take > >>>them all with a grain of salt - - AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT ERRORS. Don't > >>>count on the Internet to document your family history - USE IT AS A > >>>STARTING > >>>POINT - NOT DOCUMENTATION..... > >>> > >>>I have Civil War Records with different birth and death dates for the same > >>>individual in the same file, which coflict with Bible Records, Death > >>>Records, Tombstones. > >>> > >>>And individuals make mistakes typing - Use the NET as a RESOURCE - not a > >>>SOURCE . . . > >>> > >>>TJ Shumaker > >>>http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: > >>>To: > >> > >>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM > >>>Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past > >>>CemeteryListings > >>> > >>> > >>>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >>>> > >>>> Author: geneman1 > >>>> Surnames: > >>>> Classification: queries > >>>> > >>>> Message Board URL: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counti > >>>es.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx > >>>> > >>>> Message Board Post: > >>>> > >>>> I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. > >>>> Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured Information. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------- > >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> PeoplePC Online > >> A better way to Internet > >> http://www.peoplepc.com > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I'm also looking for a Kerr---Mark Martin Kerr born July 1848 Indiana PA married Matilda Mitchell b.April 1858 Indiana, PA. I believe that Matilda was the daughter of William Mitchell and Martha Unknown. I have had no luck on placing my Mark Martin Kerr with his family. These are my great great grandparents who raised their daughter Mina's son who was my grandfather. Any help with this family would be appreciated. Doreen ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Kerr before 1780-1772 it was Bedford-1773 it wasWestmoreland > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: virginiapatricelli65 > Surnames: Kerr, Kier, McCurdy > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6285.2/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I'm looking for a Kerr family that had a Mary Grace Kerr born in l775, > lived in Westmoreland or Armstrong Co., Pa. > > Virginia > > [email protected] > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: UnlockingThePast Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6285.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You are welcome. Jennifer Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: virginiapatricelli65 Surnames: Kerr, Kier, McCurdy Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6285.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm looking for a Kerr family that had a Mary Grace Kerr born in l775, lived in Westmoreland or Armstrong Co., Pa. Virginia [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I found information many years ago that Ann (Anna G.)McCurdy married Emaniel. I don't have the length of their marriage but she died and I believed he remarried and she is buried in Rural Valley Cemetery. At that time my father and I walked the cemetery but couldn't find a stone. I was told by a man he had the records in his basement and he didn't offer to look for me. It was in the 90's that August day and my Dad and I were tired so we didn't press it. Would love to know more about them. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schreck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Schreckengost >I have Emmanuel Z. (E.Z.) I remember seeing his grave. > > from the Schreckengast History by Gary Schrecengost: > > Daniel Schreckengost, son of Conrad, the first Schreckengost born in > Armstrong County (Valley Township: 1807), "was listed as a gunsmith in the > tax records of Bullskin Township, Fayette County, Pennsylvania, from > 1820-29 > [as an apprentice to George Biddle]; and from 1830-34 in Connellsville..On > 22 February, 1836 [he] acquired 400 acres of land by warrant in Valley > Township, Armstrong County. [where he] kept a tavern called 'Stone House' > in > Valley Township and married Mary Crum, whose father was a German farmer in > Plum Creek Township..In later life he moved to [the town of] Rural Valley > [the major town in Cowanshannock Township], remaining there until his > death. > He was a thrifty, industrious, and prosperous man, followed his trade of > gunsmith as well as farming and tavern keeping, and acquired the ownership > of three hundred acres in [the] township. He was an active Republican, > served as constable for several years, and at one time was the candidate > for > his party for sheriff of Armstrong County [he lost].. He was a member of > the > Evangelical Lutheran Church. He had one son, Emmanuel Z. Schreckengost, > who > was a blacksmith, undertaker, and carriage maker." > > Virginia, > The years are a litle off but it's possible. I need to check my > graveyard videos again when I find time. > > > >> You know I had an Anne McCurdy(b. 1847) that married Emaniel >> Schreckengost >> and died within a few years. Never could place her with the right >> family. >> >> Virginia >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Connie" <[email protected]> >> To: "Schreck" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of >> thePastCemeteryListings >> >> >>> Hi John: >>> >>> You have my sympathy. I have an aunt who married Geo Schreckengost (or >>> however you want to spell it) Also, Margaret Weaver who married Miles >>> Washington Schreckengost (ditto) and a whole lot more on my tree. I >>> think >>> an aunt who married Eli. I have several surnames like that but yours is >>> one of the ones I have a lot of problem with. They are all the same >>> people from over there in Armstrong Co, but.... don't try to tell some >>> of >>> them that. Welcome to the fun of genealogy! Connie >>> -----Original Message----- >>>>From: Schreck <[email protected]> >>>>Sent: May 30, 2007 10:16 AM >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of >>>>thePastCemeteryListings >>>> >>>>From: John Schrecongost [email protected] >>>>Subject: Errors >>>>Talk about a headache, try my name. The spelling first changed 1805 when >>>>we >>>>moved to Armstrong, from there the family spread out over the county and >>>>changed the spelling even more. I know of an obituary that got one >>>>letter >>>>wrong and that changes the family and everybody is wrong from there on. >>>>I >>>>know I'm right because I know the grandson. Search engines will covert >>>>spelling to add results, so much fun. >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "ann monastra" <[email protected]> >>>>To: "Connie" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:02 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of >>>>thePastCemeteryListings >>>> >>>> >>>>>I also have found Treaures to be a helpful site and appreciate all the >>>>>work >>>>>that goes into posting the information. My concern is about the >>>>>messages >>>>>that are "gate-wayed" with the notation that the poster may not be a >>>>>member. Also the anonymous nature of the messages is a bit unsettling. >>>>> >>>>> Ann >>>>> >>>>> Connie <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> I don't think I could have said it better Janet. Treasures has never >>>>> assumed that all of the information on the site is correct. And, a lot >>>>> of >>>>> the info is contributed by others. We try to get the cemetery listings >>>>> correct as far as we can read them. There are I am sure typos also. >>>>> After >>>>> all this site has had to move several times, and once we know the info >>>>> got >>>>> jumbled and a lot of work had to be redone. This is no fun! Who else >>>>> do >>>>> you know who will go out search out cemeteries that are almost >>>>> impossible >>>>> to get into and are on private land. We always get permission to go >>>>> into >>>>> the cemeteries on private land and many times we are asked not to >>>>> register >>>>> where they are located as the owner does not want people trespassing >>>>> on >>>>> his property. We are always happy to oblige them, in this matter. >>>>> After >>>>> all they didn't remove the stones as we have also found. Right now we >>>>> are >>>>> planning to do one of these cemeteries that we have been requested to >>>>> do. >>>>> We will record and take phot! >>>>> os of each stone and put them up, as we are doing on small cemeteries. >>>>> If >>>>> someone wants us to recheck a cemetery or stone we will also do that, >>>>> if >>>>> it is out of town we insist on being reimbursed for travel. That is >>>>> only >>>>> fair with gas prices what they are. We hope to finish SS Simon and >>>>> Jude >>>>> sometime this summer. Carla has had three foot surgeries since Dec >>>>> 2004 >>>>> and we have not been able to get out and do the cemeteries. We do not >>>>> plan >>>>> on doing St Bernards in Indiana as I understand you can now write to >>>>> the >>>>> church and get the info, something you could not do until recently. >>>>> The >>>>> old Catholic cemetery is most illegible and we do not at this time >>>>> plan >>>>> on >>>>> doing it. St Matthews in Saltsburg is not on our todo list. We are >>>>> hoping >>>>> to get to Edri but that will require a guide and again permission. >>>>> Some >>>>> of >>>>> Douglass has been sent to us and the picture have been put up. We were >>>>> told there would be more but so far what you see is what we have >>>>> gotten. >>>>> Also the Frech cemetery i! >>>>> s out of reach and we will have to rely on old recordings. These list >>>>> ing are up there to help, not prove anything. Janet said it all when >>>>> she >>>>> said records do not agree. We do our best. I think I realized how much >>>>> public records can be wrong when I tried to copy the marriage idexes >>>>> for >>>>> Indiana Co. Some were recorded in the grooms books and not in the >>>>> brides >>>>> books, and vice versa. Also, names were recorded differently and >>>>> dates. >>>>> that is wry the information is listing on treasures the way it is. >>>>> Some >>>>> of >>>>> names in my own family were messed up and a friend of ours found out >>>>> that >>>>> his marriage is listed in either brides or grooms and not in the other >>>>> one. I usually will look to Bible Records as to being more accurate >>>>> than >>>>> others but then those records can be wrong as people were not so day >>>>> and >>>>> date conscious a hundred years ago as we are today. Not everyone even >>>>> had >>>>> a calendar. Right now I am reading early Indiana papers for info on my >>>>> own >>>>> family and am finding disagreements on information in them so don't >>>>> think >>>>> that the local paper was eith! >>>>> er correct or wrong. At some time some of the gleanings from these >>>>> readings will be posted to the site, some of which have also been >>>>> furnished to us. Not doing too well on my family, I don't think they >>>>> were >>>>> very newsworthy. Also a cousin ask me to make a list of the F and B >>>>> listed >>>>> in the paper to be put up. Actually she wanted me to go to the >>>>> courthouse >>>>> and copy them. That I am not doing. >>>>> I think you are correct Janet, this is probably a paid researcher who >>>>> does >>>>> not want anyone to get anything free. A few months ago I went to >>>>> courthouse and looked up info for a relative and found nothing on the >>>>> people she was looking, She then contacted a paid researcher because >>>>> she >>>>> could not believe there was nothing on these people only to find that >>>>> the >>>>> researcher found just what I did--nothing. >>>>> Use the info as a basis just as you would ancestry or any other site, >>>>> then >>>>> try to prove or disprove it. That can even be a problem. Also, there >>>>> is >>>>> a >>>>> lot of misinformation on the trees on ancestry because this is being >>>>> furnished by those who did the research. Nothing in this world is >>>>> absolute, nothing. Just have fun with what you are doing or forget it. >>>>> I've been doing this for over 38 yrs. I have had a lot of fun and a >>>>> lot >>>>> of >>>>> frustration. Traveled many miles and seen lots of place and met some >>>>> very >>>>> nice people. It is interesting and life is not boring. Have a good >>>>> day. >>>>> Connie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: Janet Tabares >>>>>>Sent: May 29, 2007 8:23 AM >>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >>>>>>PastCemeteryListings >>>>>> >>>>>>I agree, use these as a starting point. And if you find a grave that >>>>>>you >>>>>>are interested in, you can search findagrave and see if the person is >>>>>>listed >>>>>>there. You can also list the find and do a photo request, can use the >>>>>>information to contact the local historical/genealogical society >>>>>>and/or >>>>>>the >>>>>>cemetery itself and query them to see if they have the same >>>>>>information >>>>>>and >>>>>>if so what the documentation for it is. You can search online >>>>>>newspapers >>>>>>to >>>>>>see if there is corroborating evidence listed there. >>>>>> >>>>>>I wonder if the person that posted the warning has family information >>>>>>passed >>>>>>down to him/her that may/may not be correct and since what he/she >>>>>>found >>>>>>doesn't match what he/she has his/her personal research is threatened. >>>>>>I've >>>>>>run across this especially with beginning genealogists. "Aunt Betsy >>>>>>said...." and it turns out that Aunt Betsy told you what she either >>>>>>wanted >>>>>>to believe or what she thought would make a good story. This along >>>>>>with >>>>>>the >>>>>>assurance of a new genealogist that their family name has ALWAYS been >>>>>>spelled ____ . Another thing, just because the information is wrong in >>>>>>someone's opinion, it doesn't mean that the information was made up or >>>>>>perhaps even typed wrong. Dates and names may not be correct on >>>>>>stones, >>>>>>and >>>>>>they didn't just chuck the stone if a name or date was misspelled or >>>>>>wrong >>>>>>until recently. The stone cutter cut what he was told to. If the >>>>>>informant >>>>>>had incorrect information then that's what was passed on. Census >>>>>>records >>>>>>have errors because if the family wasn't home a neighbor may have >>>>>>provided >>>>>>the names/ages etc. This still occurs - I was an Office Supervisor >>>>>>during >>>>>>the 2000 Census and I can honestly say, that a very concerted effort >>>>>>was >>>>>>put >>>>>>into getting the forms filled out and there were spot checks to make >>>>>>sure >>>>>>that the enumerators weren't just making up information. Even so, >>>>>>there >>>>>>were >>>>>>some households where the only information we were able to get was the >>>>>>population count given by neighbors. All records have a possibility >>>>>>for >>>>>>errors. >>>>>> >>>>>>As they say, document what you found and where you found it, and check >>>>>>as >>>>>>many other sources that you can to corroborate what you've found. I >>>>>>thank >>>>>>everyone that has posted records on the internet as my funds for >>>>>>research >>>>>>are very limited, and I can't afford to fly to Pennsylvania, >>>>>>Connecticut, >>>>>>etc from Texas everytime I want to check a record. I also can't afford >>>>>>to >>>>>>hire a researcher in the area. Just reading the warning made me wonder >>>>>>what >>>>>>the motive was for posting it. Could it be a professional researcher >>>>>>that >>>>>>is angry that their business is threatened by records appearing >>>>>>online?? >>>>>>The >>>>>>fact that this person says that 70% of the records are wrong says to >>>>>>me >>>>>>that >>>>>>its an attempt to discredit the website. No one researching a family >>>>>>is >>>>>>going to be looking at 70% of the records on a website, even if their >>>>>>family >>>>>>never left the area. >>>>>> >>>>>>Janet Tabares >>>>>>http://janetaba.tripod.com/gen/index.html >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: [email protected] >>>>>>[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of TJ Shumaker >>>>>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM >>>>>>To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >>>>>>PastCemeteryListings >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Yes - Treasures of the Past has errors - So does the National >>>>>>Archives, >>>>>>Mormon Records and many others - At the same time, I've found a lot of >>>>>>useful information and leads which I would have never found otherwise. >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't mean to critized this but anyone (ANYONE) who is doing >>>>>>Geneaology >>>>>>(or taking Genealogy) off of the internet from any source (including >>>>>>Census >>>>>>records, military records, Mormon Records, personal files, etc) should >>>>>>take >>>>>>them all with a grain of salt - - AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT ERRORS. Don't >>>>>>count on the Internet to document your family history - USE IT AS A >>>>>>STARTING >>>>>>POINT - NOT DOCUMENTATION..... >>>>>> >>>>>>I have Civil War Records with different birth and death dates for the >>>>>>same >>>>>>individual in the same file, which coflict with Bible Records, Death >>>>>>Records, Tombstones. >>>>>> >>>>>>And individuals make mistakes typing - Use the NET as a RESOURCE - not >>>>>>a >>>>>>SOURCE . . . >>>>>> >>>>>>TJ Shumaker >>>>>>http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: >>>>>>To: >>>>> >>>>>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM >>>>>>Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past >>>>>>CemeteryListings >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Author: geneman1 >>>>>>> Surnames: >>>>>>> Classification: queries >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Message Board URL: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counti >>>>>>es.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Message Board Post: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. >>>>>>> Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured >>>>>>> Information. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> PeoplePC Online >>>>> A better way to Internet >>>>> http://www.peoplepc.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> PeoplePC Online >>> A better way to Internet >>> http://www.peoplepc.com >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- >> http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---

I have Emmanuel Z. (E.Z.) I remember seeing his grave. from the Schreckengast History by Gary Schrecengost: Daniel Schreckengost, son of Conrad, the first Schreckengost born in Armstrong County (Valley Township: 1807), "was listed as a gunsmith in the tax records of Bullskin Township, Fayette County, Pennsylvania, from 1820-29 [as an apprentice to George Biddle]; and from 1830-34 in Connellsville..On 22 February, 1836 [he] acquired 400 acres of land by warrant in Valley Township, Armstrong County. [where he] kept a tavern called 'Stone House' in Valley Township and married Mary Crum, whose father was a German farmer in Plum Creek Township..In later life he moved to [the town of] Rural Valley [the major town in Cowanshannock Township], remaining there until his death. He was a thrifty, industrious, and prosperous man, followed his trade of gunsmith as well as farming and tavern keeping, and acquired the ownership of three hundred acres in [the] township. He was an active Republican, served as constable for several years, and at one time was the candidate for his party for sheriff of Armstrong County [he lost].. He was a member of the Evangelical Lutheran Church. He had one son, Emmanuel Z. Schreckengost, who was a blacksmith, undertaker, and carriage maker." Virginia, The years are a litle off but it's possible. I need to check my graveyard videos again when I find time. > You know I had an Anne McCurdy(b. 1847) that married Emaniel Schreckengost > and died within a few years. Never could place her with the right family. > > Virginia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Connie" <[email protected]> > To: "Schreck" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of > thePastCemeteryListings > > >> Hi John: >> >> You have my sympathy. I have an aunt who married Geo Schreckengost (or >> however you want to spell it) Also, Margaret Weaver who married Miles >> Washington Schreckengost (ditto) and a whole lot more on my tree. I >> think >> an aunt who married Eli. I have several surnames like that but yours is >> one of the ones I have a lot of problem with. They are all the same >> people from over there in Armstrong Co, but.... don't try to tell some of >> them that. Welcome to the fun of genealogy! Connie >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: Schreck <[email protected]> >>>Sent: May 30, 2007 10:16 AM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of >>>thePastCemeteryListings >>> >>>From: John Schrecongost [email protected] >>>Subject: Errors >>>Talk about a headache, try my name. The spelling first changed 1805 when >>>we >>>moved to Armstrong, from there the family spread out over the county and >>>changed the spelling even more. I know of an obituary that got one letter >>>wrong and that changes the family and everybody is wrong from there on. I >>>know I'm right because I know the grandson. Search engines will covert >>>spelling to add results, so much fun. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "ann monastra" <[email protected]> >>>To: "Connie" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:02 PM >>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of >>>thePastCemeteryListings >>> >>> >>>>I also have found Treaures to be a helpful site and appreciate all the >>>>work >>>>that goes into posting the information. My concern is about the >>>>messages >>>>that are "gate-wayed" with the notation that the poster may not be a >>>>member. Also the anonymous nature of the messages is a bit unsettling. >>>> >>>> Ann >>>> >>>> Connie <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I don't think I could have said it better Janet. Treasures has never >>>> assumed that all of the information on the site is correct. And, a lot >>>> of >>>> the info is contributed by others. We try to get the cemetery listings >>>> correct as far as we can read them. There are I am sure typos also. >>>> After >>>> all this site has had to move several times, and once we know the info >>>> got >>>> jumbled and a lot of work had to be redone. This is no fun! Who else do >>>> you know who will go out search out cemeteries that are almost >>>> impossible >>>> to get into and are on private land. We always get permission to go >>>> into >>>> the cemeteries on private land and many times we are asked not to >>>> register >>>> where they are located as the owner does not want people trespassing on >>>> his property. We are always happy to oblige them, in this matter. After >>>> all they didn't remove the stones as we have also found. Right now we >>>> are >>>> planning to do one of these cemeteries that we have been requested to >>>> do. >>>> We will record and take phot! >>>> os of each stone and put them up, as we are doing on small cemeteries. >>>> If >>>> someone wants us to recheck a cemetery or stone we will also do that, >>>> if >>>> it is out of town we insist on being reimbursed for travel. That is >>>> only >>>> fair with gas prices what they are. We hope to finish SS Simon and Jude >>>> sometime this summer. Carla has had three foot surgeries since Dec 2004 >>>> and we have not been able to get out and do the cemeteries. We do not >>>> plan >>>> on doing St Bernards in Indiana as I understand you can now write to >>>> the >>>> church and get the info, something you could not do until recently. The >>>> old Catholic cemetery is most illegible and we do not at this time plan >>>> on >>>> doing it. St Matthews in Saltsburg is not on our todo list. We are >>>> hoping >>>> to get to Edri but that will require a guide and again permission. Some >>>> of >>>> Douglass has been sent to us and the picture have been put up. We were >>>> told there would be more but so far what you see is what we have >>>> gotten. >>>> Also the Frech cemetery i! >>>> s out of reach and we will have to rely on old recordings. These list >>>> ing are up there to help, not prove anything. Janet said it all when >>>> she >>>> said records do not agree. We do our best. I think I realized how much >>>> public records can be wrong when I tried to copy the marriage idexes >>>> for >>>> Indiana Co. Some were recorded in the grooms books and not in the >>>> brides >>>> books, and vice versa. Also, names were recorded differently and dates. >>>> that is wry the information is listing on treasures the way it is. Some >>>> of >>>> names in my own family were messed up and a friend of ours found out >>>> that >>>> his marriage is listed in either brides or grooms and not in the other >>>> one. I usually will look to Bible Records as to being more accurate >>>> than >>>> others but then those records can be wrong as people were not so day >>>> and >>>> date conscious a hundred years ago as we are today. Not everyone even >>>> had >>>> a calendar. Right now I am reading early Indiana papers for info on my >>>> own >>>> family and am finding disagreements on information in them so don't >>>> think >>>> that the local paper was eith! >>>> er correct or wrong. At some time some of the gleanings from these >>>> readings will be posted to the site, some of which have also been >>>> furnished to us. Not doing too well on my family, I don't think they >>>> were >>>> very newsworthy. Also a cousin ask me to make a list of the F and B >>>> listed >>>> in the paper to be put up. Actually she wanted me to go to the >>>> courthouse >>>> and copy them. That I am not doing. >>>> I think you are correct Janet, this is probably a paid researcher who >>>> does >>>> not want anyone to get anything free. A few months ago I went to >>>> courthouse and looked up info for a relative and found nothing on the >>>> people she was looking, She then contacted a paid researcher because >>>> she >>>> could not believe there was nothing on these people only to find that >>>> the >>>> researcher found just what I did--nothing. >>>> Use the info as a basis just as you would ancestry or any other site, >>>> then >>>> try to prove or disprove it. That can even be a problem. Also, there is >>>> a >>>> lot of misinformation on the trees on ancestry because this is being >>>> furnished by those who did the research. Nothing in this world is >>>> absolute, nothing. Just have fun with what you are doing or forget it. >>>> I've been doing this for over 38 yrs. I have had a lot of fun and a lot >>>> of >>>> frustration. Traveled many miles and seen lots of place and met some >>>> very >>>> nice people. It is interesting and life is not boring. Have a good day. >>>> Connie >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Janet Tabares >>>>>Sent: May 29, 2007 8:23 AM >>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >>>>>PastCemeteryListings >>>>> >>>>>I agree, use these as a starting point. And if you find a grave that >>>>>you >>>>>are interested in, you can search findagrave and see if the person is >>>>>listed >>>>>there. You can also list the find and do a photo request, can use the >>>>>information to contact the local historical/genealogical society and/or >>>>>the >>>>>cemetery itself and query them to see if they have the same information >>>>>and >>>>>if so what the documentation for it is. You can search online >>>>>newspapers >>>>>to >>>>>see if there is corroborating evidence listed there. >>>>> >>>>>I wonder if the person that posted the warning has family information >>>>>passed >>>>>down to him/her that may/may not be correct and since what he/she found >>>>>doesn't match what he/she has his/her personal research is threatened. >>>>>I've >>>>>run across this especially with beginning genealogists. "Aunt Betsy >>>>>said...." and it turns out that Aunt Betsy told you what she either >>>>>wanted >>>>>to believe or what she thought would make a good story. This along with >>>>>the >>>>>assurance of a new genealogist that their family name has ALWAYS been >>>>>spelled ____ . Another thing, just because the information is wrong in >>>>>someone's opinion, it doesn't mean that the information was made up or >>>>>perhaps even typed wrong. Dates and names may not be correct on stones, >>>>>and >>>>>they didn't just chuck the stone if a name or date was misspelled or >>>>>wrong >>>>>until recently. The stone cutter cut what he was told to. If the >>>>>informant >>>>>had incorrect information then that's what was passed on. Census >>>>>records >>>>>have errors because if the family wasn't home a neighbor may have >>>>>provided >>>>>the names/ages etc. This still occurs - I was an Office Supervisor >>>>>during >>>>>the 2000 Census and I can honestly say, that a very concerted effort >>>>>was >>>>>put >>>>>into getting the forms filled out and there were spot checks to make >>>>>sure >>>>>that the enumerators weren't just making up information. Even so, there >>>>>were >>>>>some households where the only information we were able to get was the >>>>>population count given by neighbors. All records have a possibility for >>>>>errors. >>>>> >>>>>As they say, document what you found and where you found it, and check >>>>>as >>>>>many other sources that you can to corroborate what you've found. I >>>>>thank >>>>>everyone that has posted records on the internet as my funds for >>>>>research >>>>>are very limited, and I can't afford to fly to Pennsylvania, >>>>>Connecticut, >>>>>etc from Texas everytime I want to check a record. I also can't afford >>>>>to >>>>>hire a researcher in the area. Just reading the warning made me wonder >>>>>what >>>>>the motive was for posting it. Could it be a professional researcher >>>>>that >>>>>is angry that their business is threatened by records appearing >>>>>online?? >>>>>The >>>>>fact that this person says that 70% of the records are wrong says to me >>>>>that >>>>>its an attempt to discredit the website. No one researching a family is >>>>>going to be looking at 70% of the records on a website, even if their >>>>>family >>>>>never left the area. >>>>> >>>>>Janet Tabares >>>>>http://janetaba.tripod.com/gen/index.html >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: [email protected] >>>>>[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of TJ Shumaker >>>>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM >>>>>To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >>>>>PastCemeteryListings >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Yes - Treasures of the Past has errors - So does the National Archives, >>>>>Mormon Records and many others - At the same time, I've found a lot of >>>>>useful information and leads which I would have never found otherwise. >>>>> >>>>>I don't mean to critized this but anyone (ANYONE) who is doing >>>>>Geneaology >>>>>(or taking Genealogy) off of the internet from any source (including >>>>>Census >>>>>records, military records, Mormon Records, personal files, etc) should >>>>>take >>>>>them all with a grain of salt - - AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT ERRORS. Don't >>>>>count on the Internet to document your family history - USE IT AS A >>>>>STARTING >>>>>POINT - NOT DOCUMENTATION..... >>>>> >>>>>I have Civil War Records with different birth and death dates for the >>>>>same >>>>>individual in the same file, which coflict with Bible Records, Death >>>>>Records, Tombstones. >>>>> >>>>>And individuals make mistakes typing - Use the NET as a RESOURCE - not >>>>>a >>>>>SOURCE . . . >>>>> >>>>>TJ Shumaker >>>>>http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: >>>>>To: >>>> >>>>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM >>>>>Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past >>>>>CemeteryListings >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Author: geneman1 >>>>>> Surnames: >>>>>> Classification: queries >>>>>> >>>>>> Message Board URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counti >>>>>es.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx >>>>>> >>>>>> Message Board Post: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. >>>>>> Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured >>>>>> Information. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> PeoplePC Online >>>> A better way to Internet >>>> http://www.peoplepc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> PeoplePC Online >> A better way to Internet >> http://www.peoplepc.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You know I had an Anne McCurdy(b. 1847) that married Emaniel Schreckengost and died within a few years. Never could place her with the right family. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie" <[email protected]> To: "Schreck" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of thePastCemeteryListings > Hi John: > > You have my sympathy. I have an aunt who married Geo Schreckengost (or > however you want to spell it) Also, Margaret Weaver who married Miles > Washington Schreckengost (ditto) and a whole lot more on my tree. I think > an aunt who married Eli. I have several surnames like that but yours is > one of the ones I have a lot of problem with. They are all the same > people from over there in Armstrong Co, but.... don't try to tell some of > them that. Welcome to the fun of genealogy! Connie > -----Original Message----- >>From: Schreck <[email protected]> >>Sent: May 30, 2007 10:16 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of >>thePastCemeteryListings >> >>From: John Schrecongost [email protected] >>Subject: Errors >>Talk about a headache, try my name. The spelling first changed 1805 when >>we >>moved to Armstrong, from there the family spread out over the county and >>changed the spelling even more. I know of an obituary that got one letter >>wrong and that changes the family and everybody is wrong from there on. I >>know I'm right because I know the grandson. Search engines will covert >>spelling to add results, so much fun. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "ann monastra" <[email protected]> >>To: "Connie" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:02 PM >>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of >>thePastCemeteryListings >> >> >>>I also have found Treaures to be a helpful site and appreciate all the >>>work >>>that goes into posting the information. My concern is about the messages >>>that are "gate-wayed" with the notation that the poster may not be a >>>member. Also the anonymous nature of the messages is a bit unsettling. >>> >>> Ann >>> >>> Connie <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I don't think I could have said it better Janet. Treasures has never >>> assumed that all of the information on the site is correct. And, a lot >>> of >>> the info is contributed by others. We try to get the cemetery listings >>> correct as far as we can read them. There are I am sure typos also. >>> After >>> all this site has had to move several times, and once we know the info >>> got >>> jumbled and a lot of work had to be redone. This is no fun! Who else do >>> you know who will go out search out cemeteries that are almost >>> impossible >>> to get into and are on private land. We always get permission to go into >>> the cemeteries on private land and many times we are asked not to >>> register >>> where they are located as the owner does not want people trespassing on >>> his property. We are always happy to oblige them, in this matter. After >>> all they didn't remove the stones as we have also found. Right now we >>> are >>> planning to do one of these cemeteries that we have been requested to >>> do. >>> We will record and take phot! >>> os of each stone and put them up, as we are doing on small cemeteries. >>> If >>> someone wants us to recheck a cemetery or stone we will also do that, if >>> it is out of town we insist on being reimbursed for travel. That is only >>> fair with gas prices what they are. We hope to finish SS Simon and Jude >>> sometime this summer. Carla has had three foot surgeries since Dec 2004 >>> and we have not been able to get out and do the cemeteries. We do not >>> plan >>> on doing St Bernards in Indiana as I understand you can now write to the >>> church and get the info, something you could not do until recently. The >>> old Catholic cemetery is most illegible and we do not at this time plan >>> on >>> doing it. St Matthews in Saltsburg is not on our todo list. We are >>> hoping >>> to get to Edri but that will require a guide and again permission. Some >>> of >>> Douglass has been sent to us and the picture have been put up. We were >>> told there would be more but so far what you see is what we have gotten. >>> Also the Frech cemetery i! >>> s out of reach and we will have to rely on old recordings. These list >>> ing are up there to help, not prove anything. Janet said it all when she >>> said records do not agree. We do our best. I think I realized how much >>> public records can be wrong when I tried to copy the marriage idexes for >>> Indiana Co. Some were recorded in the grooms books and not in the brides >>> books, and vice versa. Also, names were recorded differently and dates. >>> that is wry the information is listing on treasures the way it is. Some >>> of >>> names in my own family were messed up and a friend of ours found out >>> that >>> his marriage is listed in either brides or grooms and not in the other >>> one. I usually will look to Bible Records as to being more accurate than >>> others but then those records can be wrong as people were not so day and >>> date conscious a hundred years ago as we are today. Not everyone even >>> had >>> a calendar. Right now I am reading early Indiana papers for info on my >>> own >>> family and am finding disagreements on information in them so don't >>> think >>> that the local paper was eith! >>> er correct or wrong. At some time some of the gleanings from these >>> readings will be posted to the site, some of which have also been >>> furnished to us. Not doing too well on my family, I don't think they >>> were >>> very newsworthy. Also a cousin ask me to make a list of the F and B >>> listed >>> in the paper to be put up. Actually she wanted me to go to the >>> courthouse >>> and copy them. That I am not doing. >>> I think you are correct Janet, this is probably a paid researcher who >>> does >>> not want anyone to get anything free. A few months ago I went to >>> courthouse and looked up info for a relative and found nothing on the >>> people she was looking, She then contacted a paid researcher because she >>> could not believe there was nothing on these people only to find that >>> the >>> researcher found just what I did--nothing. >>> Use the info as a basis just as you would ancestry or any other site, >>> then >>> try to prove or disprove it. That can even be a problem. Also, there is >>> a >>> lot of misinformation on the trees on ancestry because this is being >>> furnished by those who did the research. Nothing in this world is >>> absolute, nothing. Just have fun with what you are doing or forget it. >>> I've been doing this for over 38 yrs. I have had a lot of fun and a lot >>> of >>> frustration. Traveled many miles and seen lots of place and met some >>> very >>> nice people. It is interesting and life is not boring. Have a good day. >>> Connie >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>>From: Janet Tabares >>>>Sent: May 29, 2007 8:23 AM >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >>>>PastCemeteryListings >>>> >>>>I agree, use these as a starting point. And if you find a grave that you >>>>are interested in, you can search findagrave and see if the person is >>>>listed >>>>there. You can also list the find and do a photo request, can use the >>>>information to contact the local historical/genealogical society and/or >>>>the >>>>cemetery itself and query them to see if they have the same information >>>>and >>>>if so what the documentation for it is. You can search online newspapers >>>>to >>>>see if there is corroborating evidence listed there. >>>> >>>>I wonder if the person that posted the warning has family information >>>>passed >>>>down to him/her that may/may not be correct and since what he/she found >>>>doesn't match what he/she has his/her personal research is threatened. >>>>I've >>>>run across this especially with beginning genealogists. "Aunt Betsy >>>>said...." and it turns out that Aunt Betsy told you what she either >>>>wanted >>>>to believe or what she thought would make a good story. This along with >>>>the >>>>assurance of a new genealogist that their family name has ALWAYS been >>>>spelled ____ . Another thing, just because the information is wrong in >>>>someone's opinion, it doesn't mean that the information was made up or >>>>perhaps even typed wrong. Dates and names may not be correct on stones, >>>>and >>>>they didn't just chuck the stone if a name or date was misspelled or >>>>wrong >>>>until recently. The stone cutter cut what he was told to. If the >>>>informant >>>>had incorrect information then that's what was passed on. Census records >>>>have errors because if the family wasn't home a neighbor may have >>>>provided >>>>the names/ages etc. This still occurs - I was an Office Supervisor >>>>during >>>>the 2000 Census and I can honestly say, that a very concerted effort was >>>>put >>>>into getting the forms filled out and there were spot checks to make >>>>sure >>>>that the enumerators weren't just making up information. Even so, there >>>>were >>>>some households where the only information we were able to get was the >>>>population count given by neighbors. All records have a possibility for >>>>errors. >>>> >>>>As they say, document what you found and where you found it, and check >>>>as >>>>many other sources that you can to corroborate what you've found. I >>>>thank >>>>everyone that has posted records on the internet as my funds for >>>>research >>>>are very limited, and I can't afford to fly to Pennsylvania, >>>>Connecticut, >>>>etc from Texas everytime I want to check a record. I also can't afford >>>>to >>>>hire a researcher in the area. Just reading the warning made me wonder >>>>what >>>>the motive was for posting it. Could it be a professional researcher >>>>that >>>>is angry that their business is threatened by records appearing online?? >>>>The >>>>fact that this person says that 70% of the records are wrong says to me >>>>that >>>>its an attempt to discredit the website. No one researching a family is >>>>going to be looking at 70% of the records on a website, even if their >>>>family >>>>never left the area. >>>> >>>>Janet Tabares >>>>http://janetaba.tripod.com/gen/index.html >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: [email protected] >>>>[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of TJ Shumaker >>>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM >>>>To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >>>>PastCemeteryListings >>>> >>>> >>>>Yes - Treasures of the Past has errors - So does the National Archives, >>>>Mormon Records and many others - At the same time, I've found a lot of >>>>useful information and leads which I would have never found otherwise. >>>> >>>>I don't mean to critized this but anyone (ANYONE) who is doing >>>>Geneaology >>>>(or taking Genealogy) off of the internet from any source (including >>>>Census >>>>records, military records, Mormon Records, personal files, etc) should >>>>take >>>>them all with a grain of salt - - AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT ERRORS. Don't >>>>count on the Internet to document your family history - USE IT AS A >>>>STARTING >>>>POINT - NOT DOCUMENTATION..... >>>> >>>>I have Civil War Records with different birth and death dates for the >>>>same >>>>individual in the same file, which coflict with Bible Records, Death >>>>Records, Tombstones. >>>> >>>>And individuals make mistakes typing - Use the NET as a RESOURCE - not a >>>>SOURCE . . . >>>> >>>>TJ Shumaker >>>>http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: >>>>To: >>> >>>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM >>>>Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past >>>>CemeteryListings >>>> >>>> >>>>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>>>> >>>>> Author: geneman1 >>>>> Surnames: >>>>> Classification: queries >>>>> >>>>> Message Board URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counti >>>>es.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx >>>>> >>>>> Message Board Post: >>>>> >>>>> I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. >>>>> Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured >>>>> Information. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> PeoplePC Online >>> A better way to Internet >>> http://www.peoplepc.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mrc11864 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/615.1.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Oh... I see you are already on ancestry.com :) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.