Bill, I have a copy of an obit of Nellie M. Varner, d/o Frank and Mary Rinker. It mentions a sister Mrs. Ethel Mack. Could this be the one? If you think so, I'll type out the obit and sent it email. Barb CA In a message dated 13/6/03 5:35:06 AM, SinclairClan@webtv.net writes: << Hi, I'm looking for anyone from the MACK famly. I have a GAunt Ethel (RINKER) who married a MACK then moved to Ohio. She was born in the mid to late 1890's.Her father was Frank B. RINKER and Mary. Frank remarried Minnie Fredrica DUNN in 1901. Ethel was born in Orbisonia, Pa. Thanks Bill >>