On February 10 there was an obituary for Esther Cohenour, late wife of Bernard Cohenour. Can someone tell me if this is the same Bernard that is son to Samuel and Blanche Waite Cohenour? Thanks

Hi I'm seeking info on the RENNER family of Petersburg, Huntingdon Co. Pa. I understand that there is a cemetery family plot at Petersburg. Does anyone have any info or have the Cem. listings. Thanks for any help! Jean Corio Tampa, Fl - Also researching HUGHS/HUGHES and HICKS in Huntingdon and Centre Co. Pa

Hi, Alan I have that she was born in 1750, and died 3/20/1788 in childbirth. I do list her father as Jacob. Sorry I don't know more about her. Deb Alan Knutson wrote: > > Hi Debbie, > > May I ask what you might have on Catherine Schell, first wife of William > Enyeart? > > All I have is that her father was possibly Jacob Schell? > > Thanks > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie Fisher" <dfisher@vicon.net> > To: <PAHUNTIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:13 PM > Subject: Schell Family > > > I am looking for anyone on the list who might have ties to the Schell > > family from the Penn Township/Marklesburg area of Huntingdon County. My > > connection comes through Winfield D. Scott Schell (1848-1934), who > > married Hannah Fisher (1854-1924). I have a lot of information on the > > Schell family, but I still have some individuals I can not tie in. I > > would like to compare notes with anyone who has info on this surname. > > > > Thank you, > > Debbie Fisher > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

o PENNSYLVANIA BOOKS. I have the following Family Tree Books from the Southwestern Pennsylvania area, Fayette County. William STEWART Family; Joshua BROWN Family (1761-1999); David MORGAN Family of Fayette County; William LYONS Family; BURCHINAL James R. Morgan musicman72_2000@yahoo.com I saw this today on the "Somebody's Links" and couldn't remember which mail list has been carrying the name of Joshua Brown.

CATHY, Thanks a bunch for forwarding this E-mail. I will send him a message and see what he has available on Joshua Brown. I appreciate it. Kathy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Berger" <o2bab@bedford.net> To: <PAHUNTIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:02 PM Subject: Brown > o PENNSYLVANIA BOOKS. I have the following Family Tree Books > from the Southwestern Pennsylvania area, Fayette County. > William STEWART Family; Joshua BROWN Family (1761-1999); David > MORGAN Family of Fayette County; William LYONS Family; BURCHINAL > James R. Morgan musicman72_2000@yahoo.com > > I saw this today on the "Somebody's Links" and couldn't remember which mail list has been carrying the name of Joshua Brown. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Kathy, The "Signs of the Times," is an Old School or Primitive Baptist paper which began publication in 1832. It has been microfilmed from the nearly complete set at the New York City Public Library. We have it on film from 1832-1896, and in hard copy from 1897-present. We have some years in hard copy which we also have on film. It did not publish many obituaries for a few years after it started, so it is very unlikely that the obituary of Joshua Brown who died in 1832 would be included. I wish I knew about the records of the Springfield church, but I don't. I am hoping someone will share with me a photo of the church building, or other information about Old School Baptists in the county. I will do a little more digging myself, and if I come up with anything I will post it on the forum. Elder Robert Webb http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/pbl.html On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:18:05 -0600 "Kathy Wells" <rebeltrumpet@sbcglobal.net> writes: > ROBERT, > Is the 'signs of the times' a local newspaper that was > published back > in the 1800s? My Joshua Brown died November 26, 1832. But, I > hate to > take up your time looking for an obituary. If you know if one of > the > libraries or the historical society might have these > newspapers/quarterlies/, I could ask them to look??? > Do you know if the old minutes for the Springfield church > might be > at the library or Historical Society? > Thanks a bunch, Kathy > Wells. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert L Webb" <bwebb9@juno.com> > To: <PAHUNTIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: where are Old records? > > > > Yes, it appears that John Lamberson (a member of the Springfield > Old > > School Baptist Church), is buried in the cemetery which the link > was > > given for. So that would make me think the cemetery was probably > the > > site of the Springfield church. It was a member church of the > Juniata > > Association, which is where I obtained the few names of members I > have. > > There are more of the minutes of that association in existence > than what > > we have here. The most likely way I would be able to help you > would be > > if you have a date of death for someone you believe was a member > of the > > Old School Baptist church, I could check (when time permits) for > an > > obituary in the Signs of the Times (of which we have a nearly > complete > > set from 1832 to the present). > > Elder Robert Webb > > http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/pbl.html > > > > > > > > On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:05:36 -0600 "Kathy Wells" > > <rebeltrumpet@sbcglobal.net> writes: > > > Ah hah! I found where it said it was in or near Springfield. > > > Hopefully > > > that will help narrow down which 'Old School Baptist Church' I > need > > > the > > > records of. Can anyone help? Thanks, Kathy Wells. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kathy Wells" <rebeltrumpet@sbcglobal.net> > > > To: <PAHUNTIN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:40 PM > > > Subject: Re: where are Old records? > > > > > > > > > > Robert, > > > > Oh dear! I thought that the 'Old School Baptist > Church" > > > was a > > > > specific church in Huntingdon County. Am I understanding > > > correctly that > > > > that is just a term used for several churches, and they have > a > > > different > > > > name now?....or am I confused :~). I was hoping to find > the > > > names of > > > > all the Browns that attended the church in the early 1800s. > I > > > saw a > > > > reference on somone's webpage that said there were 3 Joshua > > > Browns > > > attending > > > > the church at one time. Some were Quakers who visited the > > > church often. > > > > Please help! Kathy Wells. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Robert L Webb" <bwebb9@juno.com> > > > > To: <PAHUNTIN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:23 PM > > > > Subject: Re: where are Old records? > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Old School Baptist churches I have learned once existed > in > > > Huntington > > > > > County, Pa., include the following with a few names of > members I > > > have > > > > > found. I'm not sure which church you have given the > cemetery > > > link for. > > > > > Elder Robert Webb > > > > > Primitive Baptist Library > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/FamHist-Huntingd > > > > > onPA.html > > > > > > > > > http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/pbl.html > > > > > MILL CREEK > > > > > BROAD TOP > > > > > John A. White > > > > > Jonathan Horton > > > > > Henry Horton > > > > > SPRINGFIELD > > > > > Springfield Church, near Three Springs. > > > > > Hugh Madden > > > > > John Lamberson > > > > > John Hess > > > > > TROUGH CREEK > > > > > Trough Creek Church, near Colfax. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:27:57 -0500 "Mike J. Horton" > > > > > <hortmike@earthlink.net> writes: > > > > > > Old School Baptist Cemetery: [courtesy of G.L. FLECK, > > > > > > <f2044@innernet.net] > > > > > > > http://www.innernet.net/f2044/old_school_baptist_cemeter.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > M. 30221. 2:25pm ET > > > > > > .......... > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:19 PM 2/21/03, you wrote: > > > > > > >Hello Huntingdon co. researchers, > > > > > > > I'm new on this list, but I wondered if any of > you > > > might > > > > > > know where > > > > > > > I can locate the records from the "old school baptist > church > > > & > > > > > > cemetery, > > > > > > > back in the early 1800s? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Any help is appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, Kathy Wells. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kathy & David Wells > > > > > > >425 Evergreen Dr., Hurst, Texas 76054 > > > > > > >rebeltrumpet@sbcglobal.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > > > genealogy > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy > > > records, > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy > > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! 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CLAIR, Are these 6 Joshua Browns including the group from Lancaster and Chester Counties? Do you know anything about these 6? thanks, Kathy Wells. ----- Original Message ----- From: <MikDry@aol.com> To: <PAHUNTIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: Joshua Brown > Janet > There were 6 Joshua Browns from the year 1717 - 1848 > > Clair (Sam) Locke > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

ROBERT, Is the 'signs of the times' a local newspaper that was published back in the 1800s? My Joshua Brown died November 26, 1832. But, I hate to take up your time looking for an obituary. If you know if one of the libraries or the historical society might have these newspapers/quarterlies/, I could ask them to look??? Do you know if the old minutes for the Springfield church might be at the library or Historical Society? Thanks a bunch, Kathy Wells. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L Webb" <bwebb9@juno.com> To: <PAHUNTIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: where are Old records? > Yes, it appears that John Lamberson (a member of the Springfield Old > School Baptist Church), is buried in the cemetery which the link was > given for. So that would make me think the cemetery was probably the > site of the Springfield church. It was a member church of the Juniata > Association, which is where I obtained the few names of members I have. > There are more of the minutes of that association in existence than what > we have here. The most likely way I would be able to help you would be > if you have a date of death for someone you believe was a member of the > Old School Baptist church, I could check (when time permits) for an > obituary in the Signs of the Times (of which we have a nearly complete > set from 1832 to the present). > Elder Robert Webb > http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/pbl.html > > > > On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:05:36 -0600 "Kathy Wells" > <rebeltrumpet@sbcglobal.net> writes: > > Ah hah! I found where it said it was in or near Springfield. > > Hopefully > > that will help narrow down which 'Old School Baptist Church' I need > > the > > records of. Can anyone help? Thanks, Kathy Wells. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kathy Wells" <rebeltrumpet@sbcglobal.net> > > To: <PAHUNTIN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:40 PM > > Subject: Re: where are Old records? > > > > > > > Robert, > > > Oh dear! I thought that the 'Old School Baptist Church" > > was a > > > specific church in Huntingdon County. Am I understanding > > correctly that > > > that is just a term used for several churches, and they have a > > different > > > name now?....or am I confused :~). I was hoping to find the > > names of > > > all the Browns that attended the church in the early 1800s. I > > saw a > > > reference on somone's webpage that said there were 3 Joshua > > Browns > > attending > > > the church at one time. Some were Quakers who visited the > > church often. > > > Please help! Kathy Wells. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert L Webb" <bwebb9@juno.com> > > > To: <PAHUNTIN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: where are Old records? > > > > > > > > > > The Old School Baptist churches I have learned once existed in > > Huntington > > > > County, Pa., include the following with a few names of members I > > have > > > > found. I'm not sure which church you have given the cemetery > > link for. > > > > Elder Robert Webb > > > > Primitive Baptist Library > > > > > > > http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/FamHist-Huntingd > > > > onPA.html > > > > > > http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/pbl.html > > > > MILL CREEK > > > > BROAD TOP > > > > John A. White > > > > Jonathan Horton > > > > Henry Horton > > > > SPRINGFIELD > > > > Springfield Church, near Three Springs. > > > > Hugh Madden > > > > John Lamberson > > > > John Hess > > > > TROUGH CREEK > > > > Trough Creek Church, near Colfax. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:27:57 -0500 "Mike J. Horton" > > > > <hortmike@earthlink.net> writes: > > > > > Old School Baptist Cemetery: [courtesy of G.L. FLECK, > > > > > <f2044@innernet.net] > > > > > http://www.innernet.net/f2044/old_school_baptist_cemeter.htm > > > > > > > > > > M. 30221. 2:25pm ET > > > > > .......... > > > > > > > > > > At 02:19 PM 2/21/03, you wrote: > > > > > >Hello Huntingdon co. researchers, > > > > > > I'm new on this list, but I wondered if any of you > > might > > > > > know where > > > > > > I can locate the records from the "old school baptist church > > & > > > > > cemetery, > > > > > > back in the early 1800s? > > > > > > > > > > > >Any help is appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, Kathy Wells. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kathy & David Wells > > > > > >425 Evergreen Dr., Hurst, Texas 76054 > > > > > >rebeltrumpet@sbcglobal.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > > genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

While we are discussing Browns - here is one in my family that we believe stayed in Pennsylvania among the Scots-Irish but we haven't been able to trace further: Josias Brown married Jane Carnahan 2 January 1719 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

I am looking for anyone on the list who might have ties to the Schell family from the Penn Township/Marklesburg area of Huntingdon County. My connection comes through Winfield D. Scott Schell (1848-1934), who married Hannah Fisher (1854-1924). I have a lot of information on the Schell family, but I still have some individuals I can not tie in. I would like to compare notes with anyone who has info on this surname. Thank you, Debbie Fisher

Hi Debbie, May I ask what you might have on Catherine Schell, first wife of William Enyeart? All I have is that her father was possibly Jacob Schell? Thanks Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Fisher" <dfisher@vicon.net> To: <PAHUNTIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 1:13 PM Subject: Schell Family > I am looking for anyone on the list who might have ties to the Schell > family from the Penn Township/Marklesburg area of Huntingdon County. My > connection comes through Winfield D. Scott Schell (1848-1934), who > married Hannah Fisher (1854-1924). I have a lot of information on the > Schell family, but I still have some individuals I can not tie in. I > would like to compare notes with anyone who has info on this surname. > > Thank you, > Debbie Fisher > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi, we at the Pioneer Historical Society are writing to the nearby counties to alert you to the dangers of allowing visitors free access to your books and files. This is not directed at anyone on the list. It is to alert you as genealogists to the fact that not all men, and women, are honest - as we have recently discovered. In the past two weeks one of the books of the Pennsylvania Archives was stolen from our library. The loss was not discovered right away because the perpetrator cleverly grabbed a black book from another shelf and put it in the empty space. Please readers, we have not received any bequests from rich men's wills, we have a mortgage to the house we are buying by ourselves, no one gave it to us. And we are a faithful band of volunteers who keep the library open five and a half days a week FREE OF CHARGE TO VISITORS. We cannot afford to buy another series 3, volume 25 as if one could buy only one book of a set of almost 90-100!!! And a book which was published in the late 1800s. Such thefts are ruining our spirit and making us think again about opening our library to strangers. Last year a brand new book on the Hammer family was stolen the first day it was put on the shelf. And one of the volunteers had heard a woman saying, "That's MY family!" Yes, and the family of lots of others of our visitors. Cathy

Dear Steve, Being an Old School or Primitive Baptist myself (since age 7, in 1959), I must take exception to your remark that our beliefs are too radical to survive in the 20th century. :-) True, you are right - the vast majority of people today believe God is a failure and cannot or will not do anything without their help, so they must work at things the Bible does not mention, and pay tele-evangelists large amounts of money - or else heaven will not be populated. But what we see as a result of all of this is not more true Christianity but far less, today, than in former times. However, the reason I am replying to your message is to say, that every Old School or Primitive Baptist church I have ever heard of did keep records. In cases where the church has ceased to exist, the records may have been destroyed by someone, but I have never heard of a single case where records were not kept. The records would give minutes of the business meetings and actions of the church, lists of members, when they were received and baptized, etc. They seldom give the dates of people's birth, marriages, children's names, etc., but sometimes do give the dates of death. I didn't know until last night that the church building of the Springfield church is still standing. Is the building of Trough Creek also still standing? Perhaps your father's relative's family would know where the records of Trough Creek are. They would contain names of many very early pioneers who were among the first white settlers. Many courageous and godly (but not formally educated in seminaries) Baptist Elders came and preached in various places of Pennsylvania when it was a wilderness inhabited by the red man. Sincerely, Elder Robert Webb Primitive Baptist Library http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/pbl.html On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 23:03:30 -0500 ayeh@pennswoods.net (kemp) writes: > from Steve Kemp, Huntingdon. >No, Old School Baptist is or was the > name of > a Christian denomination, just as Southern Baptist, etc. Such > designations > are group names and then there are the individual congregations, as > member > churches, as you already were told, several were here in this county > in the > 19th century. Browns belonged at Springfield Township. > > A reference library would have an encyclopedia or reference work on > Christian sects and that might help you understand the beliefs and > practices of the Old School Baptists. > > One of my father's first cousins (born 1909, still living) is or was > the > last member at Trough Creek Baptist. Her doctrine as I got it from > her was > to read the Bible and let the Spirit lead you. Elders or brothers > did their > preaching, not formally educated people. They forbade the use of > revivals, > Sunday School, active evangelism, because they believed that only > God > should lead people to faith with kind of a one-on-one conversion, > just you > and God. Clearly it was too radical a position for the denomination > to take > and survive in the 20th century, for all the churches in the county > changed > to a more standard type of Baptist or just ceased to exist. Other > names I > have heard them called are Primitive Baptist and Hard-Shell Baptist, > but > these may be distinct groups that exist elsewhere. > > I believe that part of their primitive Christian culture was an > aversion to > anything not commanded in the New Testament so that they never > maintained > any church records apart from membership lists and financial > records. No > records of baptisms, marriages and deaths were ever made by this > denomination so far as I know. If anyone has heard different, put up > a > message. > Steve Kemp > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > =571&sourceid=1237 > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Miller, Lippert Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZdB.2ACI/3025.1.1 Message Board Post: We have no information on WHO Mildred's Parents was or if she had any brothers or sisters. Mildred is our Brick wall.

RON, Is that by chance your site listed below? I did find there are 4 Joshuas, although only 3 are in Huntingdon Co. My Joshua who d.1832 was one, his son b.1799, that is two and the Joshua b. 1825 which is the son of Caleb and grandson of the first, was three. But in the church records I am hunting for, someone mentioned that there were 4 of them in the early 1800s. So the Joshua b.1825 would have been too young. So we are still missing 2 Joshua that attended the same 'Old School Baptist Church' in Springfield. :~). The 4th one on the site listed below is Joshua Brown of Little Brittain who was not in Huntingdon Co., he was in Lancaster Co. Joshua Brown b.1717 that married Hannah Gatchell also had a son named Joshua Brown b.1760, but he died in 1823 in Little Brittain leaving a Will, but no children. That group from Lancaster/Chester, Pa. has been confused with the Joshua Brown of Huntingdon Co. I do think they link somehow, but don't know how yet. I didn't get a chance to look and see if this group is yours. I would love to discuss it more tomorrow. Hope to hear from you. thanks a bunch, Kathy Wells. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ronlynrose@aol.com> To: <PAHUNTIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Joshua Brown > Check http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=rrrose2 > There are four Joshua Browns there. > > Ron Rose > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

To add to Steve Kemp's memo, here is a web site for the Primitive Baptist sect which I believe is the denomination of the Old School Baptist Church in Springfield. Dave http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Religion_and_Spirituality/Faiths_and_Practices/Christianity/Denominations_and_Sects/Primitive_Baptist/

from Steve Kemp, Huntingdon. >No, Old School Baptist is or was the name of a Christian denomination, just as Southern Baptist, etc. Such designations are group names and then there are the individual congregations, as member churches, as you already were told, several were here in this county in the 19th century. Browns belonged at Springfield Township. A reference library would have an encyclopedia or reference work on Christian sects and that might help you understand the beliefs and practices of the Old School Baptists. One of my father's first cousins (born 1909, still living) is or was the last member at Trough Creek Baptist. Her doctrine as I got it from her was to read the Bible and let the Spirit lead you. Elders or brothers did their preaching, not formally educated people. They forbade the use of revivals, Sunday School, active evangelism, because they believed that only God should lead people to faith with kind of a one-on-one conversion, just you and God. Clearly it was too radical a position for the denomination to take and survive in the 20th century, for all the churches in the county changed to a more standard type of Baptist or just ceased to exist. Other names I have heard them called are Primitive Baptist and Hard-Shell Baptist, but these may be distinct groups that exist elsewhere. I believe that part of their primitive Christian culture was an aversion to anything not commanded in the New Testament so that they never maintained any church records apart from membership lists and financial records. No records of baptisms, marriages and deaths were ever made by this denomination so far as I know. If anyone has heard different, put up a message. Steve Kemp

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ZdB.2ACI/3025.1 Message Board Post: My father was Floyd Heratio Miller Jr., He died in March of 1991. his fater Sr. died in Dec. of 1959. He has one living sibling Chrarles Miller of Mt. Union, PA. Is this the family you are researching?

I think my email about Joshua Brown should have directed to Kathy Wells, sorry. Clair (Sam) Locke

Check http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=rrrose2 There are four Joshua Browns there. Ron Rose