This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pattyhager1951 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.greene/7707.2.1.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi. I have not been on here for long time searching for familial info. Could you please contact me regarding Kinty family info. thanks. patty hager at thepumpkinqueen@wvdsl.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PhuLamer Surnames: Renner Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.greene/808.2482.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You can find John Renner's ancestry on my web page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hhickman/p2834.htm Howard Hickman Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: spb515 Surnames: RENNER Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.greene/808.2482/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I don't know much as far as your Renner's are concerned but, I do know that John Renner b.8 May 1911 d.3 Jul 1983, and his wife Grace b.13 Mar 1914, d.19 Mar 1989 were the owners of land in Greene County, PA that was once called Plum(b) Tree Plantation. My g-g-g-g-g-grandparents, William & Elizabeth Goddard owned the plantation in the late 1700's and early 1800's. John and Grace are both buried at Harmony Cemetery in Wetzel County, WV along with who I believe are his parents, Albert Ray 1887-1962 and Mary S. 1886-1960. When they acquired the land or from whom they are descended is unknown to me but, it's a little Renner trivia for you if nothing else. I have a portion of a plot map from the 1780's showing Plum(b) Tree if you're interested. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BYoskovich Surnames: Donley, Donnelly, Donnelley Classification: immigration Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.greene/234.1211.1212.1721.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does any one have information on James and Susannah Robinson Donley's family in Ireland. I can trace my roots back this far but want to find out more about relatives in Ireland. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sfcaddman Surnames: Hurst, Vannatta, Vanatta, Gaunt, Longoria, Cranfill Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.greene/982.2251.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dear friend of a Vanatta relative: I am also researching the Vannatta line. my grandmother's maiden name was Ida Vannatta. I have come across what may be a strange coincidence or an unusual circular connection of families. The way it works is my grandfather was Charles Leroy Hurst married to Ida Vannatta, at least three of his sisters were married, in Blue Hills, Kansas, by the probate judge named J.A. Vanatta in 1901, 1902 & 1903 respectively. This ocurred before my grandmother was born in 1902, clearly before my grandmother was born or only a year old. Also my grandmother's family was from North Platte, Nebraska a couple of hundred miles away. By the way I found info on J.A. Vanatta that said he was a probate judge from at least 1880. Check the 1880 census records for that area of Kansas. Also type in JA Vanatta on Google and you'll get the Kansas history of that time that gives even more detailed info on John A. Vanatta. I hope this is helpful, and if you may come across any further info I hope you'll let me know. Happy Hunting, Ron Hurst Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

To those who have, or may have had, ancestors in Washington County, MD, and surrounding areas in PA & WV, the Washington County Library in Hagerstown now has considerable Genealogy records online. These records can be found at www.washcolibrary.org/genealogy.aspx Jerry Dittman Boonsboro, MD

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LanceDGill1 Surnames: Nuss, Durbin, Conner, McCosh, Emery, Emory, Vandervart Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.greene/11084/mb.ashx Message Board Post: THE NUSS FAMILY OF GREENE CO., PA AND MARSHALL AND OHIO CO., VA (WV) During my nearly 30 years of research on my family history, I have never been able to discover much about my Nuss ancestors. Recently, I came into contact with Michael Smith of Chicago, IL, who, quite by accident, opened some doors into this search. Out of the blue one day, he emailed me and questioned me about two people named Durbin-Oliver and Leah. He wondered how they were related to him since the family photographs in his possession identified them as "cousins". After some initial conversation, we determined that Oliver and Leah Durbin were children of George H. Durbin and grandchildren of Lucretia Nuss Durbin of Greene Co., PA. Michael's ancestor was George W. Nuss, who was supposedly born in VA and who migrated westward to Warren Co., OH before 1850. Now for the first time, it seemed that there was some information about the Nuss family and its members. I thought it helpful to summarize the basics of what we know and what we suspect here. Lucretia Nuss was born on 15 Oct 1822 and died on 12 Apr 1900. She lived her entire life in Greene Co., PA. She was married around 1844 to James Durbin and had several children. It was always my assumption that George Nuss, who lived in Richhill Twp., Greene Co., PA in 1820, 1830 and 1840, was her father. In the 1820 census, George was the head of the household and reported: 2 males under 10 2 females under 10 2 males 10-16 1 female over 45 1 male 16-18 2 males 18-26 1 male over 45 In the 1830 census, George was the head of the household and reported: 1 male 50-60 2 females 5-10 2 females 10-15 1 female 40-50 In the 1840 census, George was the head of the household and reported: 1 male 60-70 1 female 15-20 1 female 50-60 It is clear from the 1840 census, that George was the only male in the household having been born between 1770 and 1780. The oldest female in the household was presumably his wife, born between 1780 and 1790. Recognizing the fact that not all persons counted within a household were necessarily family members, but if we assume that all the children (those under 18) were children of George, in 1820, George had 5 sons and 2 daughters. By 1830, all the sons were gone leaving only George as the only male in the household with 4 daughters under 15 and their mother. Lucretia, having been born in 1822, could certainly have been one of the females under 10 and the female between 15-20 in 1840. By 1850, George Nuss was apparently dead. This is not hard to believe since he was over 60 in 1840. ************************** George W. Nuss was born on 11 Dec 1810 according to the family bible record in the possession of Michael Smith. He married Nancy Chester or Chesser on 20 Sep 1832. Nancy was born on 14 Sep 1814, They had the following children: 1. William Wesley Nuss (16 Oct 1834-20 Apr 1839) 2. John Christopher Nuss (30 Sep 1835-14 Apr 1903) (**John married Elvira Conner in Washington Co., PA on 17 Mar 1864. He died in Randolph, IN.) 3. George Franklin Nuss (11 Feb 1838-10 Sep 1838) 4. James Nuss (1839-23 Aug 1839) 5. F.P. Nuss (1841-26 Feb 1842) 6. Emily Ann Nuss (Feb 1843-?) 7. David Hess Nuss (23 Dec 1845-3 Jul 1909) (**David married Hannah J. Snook in 1867 in Warren Co., OH.) 8. Mary Louisa Nuss (27 Oct 1848-20 Jan 1920) (**Mary married Joseph H. Conner (24 Jul 1843-15 Mar 1925). 9. Thomas Warren Nuss (1 Mar 1851-?) (**Thomas was married to Minnie L. Knight and was living in Exeter Twp., Clay Co., KS in 1886 when a daughter was born.) Nancy Nuss died on 22 Jan 1853 in Warren Co., OH and was buried in Hopkinsville Cemetery in that county. After her death, George married Elizabeth Hogg or McGuren on 10 Nov 1853 in Warren Co., OH. Elizabeth was a native of Scotland and died in Warren Co., OH in 1893. In 1840, George W. Nuss was head of household living in Lexington Twp., Lafayette Co., MO. In that census, he reported: 1 male under 5 3 females 20-30 1 male 15-20 1 male 20-30 In 1850, George and Nancy were residents of Hamilton Twp., Warren Co., OH with the following household members: G. W. Nuss age 39 b. VA Nancy age 36 b. PA John C. age 14 b. OH Emily A. age 7 b. OH David age 4 b. OH Mary L. age 1 b. OH By 1860, Nancy had died and it seems George soon followed her to the grave. His second wife, Elizabeth was living in Hamilton Twp., Warren Co., OH with two female children, E. L. Nuss, age 9 and H. A. Nuss, age 6. Further research revealed that H.A. was Hannah A. Nuss. This Hannah was born on 24 Jul 1854 in Warren Co., OH and died on 4 Nov 1929 in Mason, Warren Co., OH. She married Martin Walker. According to her death certificate, she was the daughter of George Nuss and Elizabeth Hogg. Where were George W's other children in 1860? John C. Nuss, age 24, was a farm hand living near Beeler Station, Marshall Co., VA (now WV) in the household of Matthew (age 44) and Susan (age 44) McCosh. Both McCosh's were born in PA. What relation with Matthew and/or Susan to John C. Nuss if any? John C. was born in MO according to this census, which makes sense since George W. was in MO in 1840. David Nuss, age 14, was in the household of William (age 75) and Nancy (age 60) Vandervart in Hamilton Twp., Warren Co., OH. What possible relationship David had to the Vandervart's is unknown. The two youngest children, Mary Louisa (age 11) and Thomas W. (age 9) were living in the household of John (age 48) and Louisa (age 43) Emery or Emory in Salem Twp., Warren Co., OH. John was born in VA and Louisa in PA. The most interesting member of this household was 78 year old Hannah Nuss, a native of PA. The presence of Hannah (b. ca 1782) suggests that she may be the mother of Louisa Emery/Emory. Since George's orphan children were living in this household, it appears that Louisa was a Nuss, daughter of Hannah and sister to George W. Hannah Nuss (b. ca 1782 in PA) fits with the reported females living in George Nuss's household in Greene Co., PA in 1820, 1830 and 1840. So it appears based on the evidence presented, that Hannah was the mother of George (b. 1810), Louisa Nuss Emery/Emory (b. ca 1813) and Lucretia Nuss Durbin (b. 1822). Unfortunately, a search of the 1850 census has not yet identified Hannah Nuss and where she was living at that time. Other possible children of George and Hannah Nuss: 1. Susan McCosh (b ca. 1816), possible Aunt of John C. Nuss with whom he was living in 1860 in Marshall Co., VA. 2. Louis or Lewis Nuss (b 11 Jun 1813-1 May 1881) married Mary Emory. Louis was born in VA and died in Champaign Co., IL. Other researchers identify him as being a son of George Nuss but do not identify a mother. Curious that he was married to an Emory and it seems pretty clear that one of our George's daughters, Louise married a John Emery/Emory. Louisa Emery/Emory was born about 1813 as well. Were Louis and Louisa twins who married a sister and brother named Emery/Emory? Other Nuss relatives: 1. John Christopher Nuss, son of George W. and Nancy, has the middle name Christopher. There was a Christopher Nuss (b ca 1802) living in Greene Co., PA. Could he have been a son of George? In 1820, George has a male in his household that would fit. This Christopher died on 5 Jun 1890 aged 87 yr 6 mo and 8 days. 2. Common names always intrigue me as well and suggest a possible family connection. For example, James Nuss (b ca 1806 in VA) and Rhoda Lewis, who were living in Richhill Twp., Greene Co., PA had a daughter named Lucretia (b. ca 1839). Lucretia is an unusual name in general but another Lucretia Nuss living in the same Twp and County in PA as Lucretia Nuss Durbin? What are the chances of them not being related? My guess is that James was Lucretia Durbin's brother and therefore another son of George and Hannah. So could the children of George and Hannah be: 1. Christopher b. ca 1802 2. James b. ca 1806 3. George W. b. 1810 4. Louis b. 1813 5. Louisa Emory b ca 1813 6. Susan McCosh b. ca 1816 7. Lucretia Durbin b. 1822 It is all very interesting and a great place to start a more extensive search. Lance D. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mrsc139 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.greene/2260.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hey sherrie, I am Cindy, Virginia,s daughter. give me your address and I will send you all I have. found our gr.grandfathers graves. Jonathan bondy is in moundsville and geroge harrison bissett is in ned,pa. there is a book about the bissetts Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

See Time Magazine online, dated Monday, Nov. 03, 1947 titled The Great Horn Swoggle (sic). >From historians and the highest scholars back then, Horn had fabricated "history" and other people's "family history". The question that was never answered was why Horn did it. Did he set out to make a hoax? Or, did he embellish whatever "records" he had? Or, did he never have any records? The problem with "facts" is anyone can write something and claim it is "fact". "Ex-President Bush was born April 32, 1902." Was I? Well, if so, he should be dead by now (b. 1902)... and there's no "32" in a month. Now if I found this date in Horn about someone, I could say that he or the printer made a typo on the "32". But he went further than false / wrong dates. He told of non-existant towns, of non-existant Indian battles, of things that just could not be right. The debunking makes interesting reading. Judy On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:11 PM, <guyrossjr@aol.com> wrote: > I personally have not used the Horn collection for research.? But to me, it > would be no different than any other person writing a genealogy of a family > or families and for asking an older member of a family comments about their > ancestors.? I have found that while there is some truth in the contents, > there is also no facts in other comments or contents. Once, you have the > data and you are not sure, then the researcher should either prove or > disprove any statements that appear in a book or genealogy of a family. > > Family stories can be intriguing.?Once my mother-in-law and > sister-in-law?both told a story about my mother-in-law's grandfather as > having drown in Pennsylvania.? While riding close to a river, he was caught > up in a flood and when they recovered the body he was still holding on to > the reins. We looked and looked and could find nothing about this.? One day, > while researching in Jay Co., Indiana, my husband picked up a History of > Adams Co., Indiana. Checked the index and there was the name of his > great-grandfather. It told the story of a man and his neighbor that were > riding in a horse-drawn wagon being caught up in a flood in Adams Co.? He > drown in the racing waters of the St. Mary's & Wabash rivers in 1867.? When > they pulled him from the river, he was still holding on to the reins.? This > was the grandfather that was suppose to have died in Pennsylvania. ?So be a > sleuth and once you have data prove it or disprove it! > > Roberta

There was a George W. Nuss (B. 1853) who married Verney (1856 - 1943). They were born and lived all their lives in Greene Co. I am trying to find proof of the parents of Verney. (possible maiden name of Stewart) Howard

I personally have not used the Horn collection for research.? But to me, it would be no different than any other person writing a genealogy of a family or families and for asking an older member of a family comments about their ancestors.? I have found that while there is some truth in the contents, there is also no facts in other comments or contents. Once, you have the data and you are not sure, then the researcher should either prove or disprove any statements that appear in a book or genealogy of a family. Family stories can be intriguing.?Once my mother-in-law and sister-in-law?both told a story about my mother-in-law's grandfather as having drown in Pennsylvania.? While riding close to a river, he was caught up in a flood and when they recovered the body he was still holding on to the reins. We looked and looked and could find nothing about this.? One day, while researching in Jay Co., Indiana, my husband picked up a History of Adams Co., Indiana. Checked the index and there was the name of his great-grandfather. It told the story of a man and his neighbor that were riding in a horse-drawn wagon being caught up in a flood in Adams Co.? He drown in the racing waters of the St. Mary's & Wabash rivers in 1867.? When they pulled him from the river, he was still holding on to the reins.? This was the grandfather that was suppose to have died in Pennsylvania. ?So be a sleuth and once you have data prove it or disprove it! Roberta

If you Google the Horn Papers you will find the William and Mary Quarterly article. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.A. Florian" <cageycat@gmail.com> To: <rslater463@aol.com> Cc: <pagreene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [PAGRE] Cornerstone Clues > Before *I* end up feeling personally attacked, I only wanted to present an > explanation of why researchers will often hear admonitions against Horn > from > librarians, societies, and genealogists. It's not MY statements, but as > Bill pointed out, the sentiment is repeated and repeated by genealogists > and > certified genealogists (and volunteer genealogists). > > The ONLY reason I used Wiki was because it described "the problem" in a > few > short paragraphs AND gave the source for the criticisms of Horn, which > appeared in: > > Middleton, Arthur Pierce & Adair, Douglass (Oct., 1947). The Mystery of > the > Horn Papers. The William and Mary Quarterly, 3rd Ser., Vol. 4, No. 4. pp. > 409-445. (This was at the end of the Wiki article) > > I didn't feel like writing it ALL out in my own words, and the Wiki > article > for this purpose was on target. Uhm.....just as people point out not to > throw out all of Horn, then why would anyone also throw out all of Wiki? > Some things in Wiki are perfectly okay, but like anything, you have to > know > how to research and cross-check. > > So if you don't believe Wiki on this "report" of the critism, do your own > research. If you have questions about Horn or doubt that the critisms are > valid and widespread, then call Citizens Library Washington (Research > Librarian); Carnegie Library (Research Librarian); Washington Co or Greene > Co Historical Societies; or write to the The William and Mary Quarterly > contributor cited above and ask questions! > > But, I will say again, Horn is NOT considered historically valid in the > first 2 volumes. Historically valid is the key point. When researchers > back then looked at his work, dissected his work, and tried to find > secondary sources, they concluded his writing was fiction. (I'm just > reporting what I have read over the last 30 years of my own research.) > > Thank you for hearing my statements. > > Judy > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:59 PM, <rslater463@aol.com> wrote: > >> To say that the first two volumes of The Horn Papers?in their entirety >> are >> pure fabrication (not what you are saying Judy, but what some claim) is a >> reckless statement.? I believe that if one were to compare the >> information >> to the records, some of?it in regard to families and their >> relationships?proves to be?true.? Some of?the?work was?pure hogwash but >> then >> a lot of people in area were totally embarrassed at having bought into >> the >> Horn Papers without taking a close look at them.? It was easier to reject >> the whole and let the embarrassment die down than to sort through the >> information and separate fact from fiction.? Perhaps if the plates had >> been >> made of gold, like those found 100 years earlier on which en entire >> religion >> is based, Mr. Horn would have had more credibility. And of course Mr. >> Horn >> died before they could get him into court. >> >> I have? family stories handed down in writing?that parts of are pure >> fiction, but if I didn't follow the clues to separate out what is fact I >> would not have taken my research to the place it is today. >> >> Any written?history is NOT a primary source but it looks as if the >> community at that time did what a lot of researchers do today - take >> everything they see in writing as fact and never proof the research >> supposedly done by others. >> Just my 2-cents. >> >> Jan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: J.A. Florian <cageycat@gmail.com> >> To: Bill <bocsi505@windstream.net> >> Cc: PAGREENE-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 8:47 am >> Subject: Re: [PAGRE] Cornerstone Clues >> >> >> >> Often people think of "the maps" when they speak of the Horn Papers. The >> maps *are* considered historically accurate, based on documents. >> >> But, there are 3 volumes to the Horn Papers. A writer at "Wikipedia" >> explains the problem with the first 2 volumes::: >> >> (Quoted Material below) >> >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia >> Jump to: navigation, search >> The Horn Papers were a genealogical hoax consisting of forged historical >> records pertaining to the northeastern United States for the period from >> 1765 to 1795. They were published by William F. Horn of Topeka, Kansas >> between 1933 and 1936, and presented as a transcription of documents of >> his >> great-great-great grandfather, Jacob Horn (died 1778), and other members >> of >> the Horn family. >> >> The Horn Papers first appeared publicly in 1932 in letters sent from >> Topeka >> to the editors of the Washington, Pennsylvania Observer and the >> Waynesburg, >> Pennsylvania Democrat-Messenger in which their author claimed to possess >> important historical documents relating to the area. >> >> >From 1933 to 1936 the newspapers printed excerpts from Horn's >> >manuscripts >> and diaries. Horn even moved to his ancestral home of Waynesburg and >> through >> speeches became well known as an historical expert. >> >> Material in the papers included diaries, Virginia court records, and >> maps. >> They were notable for their great level of detail, especially concerning >> the >> lives of the common people. Because the papers appeared to supply >> information about famous historical figures and to fill gaps in existing >> historical knowledge, they were received enthusiastically despite some >> apparent contradictions. >> >> Although a minority opposed William Horn, on August 11, 1936 his claims >> appeared to have been corroborated when he announced that he had dug up >> two >> lead plates dated 1795 in a location predicted by the papers. >> >> The apparent find increased the confidence of members of the Greene >> County, >> Pennsylvania Historical Society, who sponsored the reissuing of the >> papers >> in book form. In 1945 the papers were published as a three-volume >> collectio >> n >> entitled The Horn Papers: Early Western Movement on the Monongahela and >> Upper Ohio, 1765-1795. >> >> A year later, a report by a committee of representatives of historical >> societies from the region concluded in The William and Mary Quarterly >> that >> the first two volumes were substantially hoaxes. >> >> There is no conclusive explanation why W. F. Horn devoted such a great >> effort to the forgeries. >> >> [edit] References >> Horn, W. F. [ed.] (1945), The Horn Papers: Early Western Movement on the >> Monongahela and Upper Ohio, 1765-1795, 3 vols. >> Middleton, Arthur Pierce & Adair, Douglass (Oct., 1947). The Mystery of >> the >> Horn Papers. The William and Mary Quarterly, 3rd Ser., Vol. 4, No. 4. pp. >> 409-445. >> [edit] External links >> Genealogical Hoax - The Horn Papers >> Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_Papers" >> (End of Quoted Material) >> >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Bill <bocsi505@windstream.net> wrote: >> >> > I do not have the latest Cornerstone Clues as I loaned my copy so I am >> not >> > sure what was referenced about the Horn Papers. >> > >> > Being my early Greene County family were slaves, I find the Horn Papers >> > quite interesting for they add to the history of Greene County Slavery >> > rather than take from it. >> > >> > I have been in Cornerstone when a researcher would ask about the Horn >> > Papers and I would hear a volunteer urging caution when reading the >> > Horn >> > Papers... not to believe all they say. >> > >> > I have also read books by Greene County researchers regarding Slavery >> that >> > offer no positive proof, only stories and rumors so with those written >> > books, I, and others, must be "cautious" when reading them. For >> > example, >> my >> > GGG Grandfather is "rumored" to have earned his freedom by digging 5000 >> > bushels of coal for his master. However, Document Books at the Greene >> > County Courthouse show no "Deed of Manumission" for my GGG Grandfather. >> > >> > I trust some of what the Horn Papers say..some. But not to be able to >> read >> > them, would be a loss. >> > >> > Bill Davison >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > -- >> > WASHINGTON COUNTY PA WEBSITES::: >> > http://freepages.misc. >> rootsweb.com/~florian/ >> > Coordinator of the Washington County PAGenWeb: >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PAGREENE-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PAGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > -- > WASHINGTON COUNTY PA WEBSITES::: > http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~florian/ > Coordinator of the Washington County PAGenWeb: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Is there a inter address where I can get a copy of the Horn Paper on line? I thank you for any information that you send me. Richard

Having the experience of 30 years of primary research in Greene County, I can verify that some of the family write-ups in the Horn Papers are based on fact, some are not. For example the write-up of the Wyckoff family is mostly accurate. However the two write-ups of the Hickman family are 100% completely made up, not one bit of information is correct. Complete fiction. I have called the Cornerstone Librarian and attempting to verify that the published article did indeed come from the Horn Papers. I also can confirm that the Cornerstone Clues published by the Cornerstone Genealogical Society is an excellent publication. I have every issue back to the 1970's. I read every issue cover to cover. I have subscribed to many newsletters over the years, but the Cornerstone Clues is the only one that I still subscribe to. Howard Hickman

Before *I* end up feeling personally attacked, I only wanted to present an explanation of why researchers will often hear admonitions against Horn from librarians, societies, and genealogists. It's not MY statements, but as Bill pointed out, the sentiment is repeated and repeated by genealogists and certified genealogists (and volunteer genealogists). The ONLY reason I used Wiki was because it described "the problem" in a few short paragraphs AND gave the source for the criticisms of Horn, which appeared in: Middleton, Arthur Pierce & Adair, Douglass (Oct., 1947). The Mystery of the Horn Papers. The William and Mary Quarterly, 3rd Ser., Vol. 4, No. 4. pp. 409-445. (This was at the end of the Wiki article) I didn't feel like writing it ALL out in my own words, and the Wiki article for this purpose was on target. Uhm.....just as people point out not to throw out all of Horn, then why would anyone also throw out all of Wiki? Some things in Wiki are perfectly okay, but like anything, you have to know how to research and cross-check. So if you don't believe Wiki on this "report" of the critism, do your own research. If you have questions about Horn or doubt that the critisms are valid and widespread, then call Citizens Library Washington (Research Librarian); Carnegie Library (Research Librarian); Washington Co or Greene Co Historical Societies; or write to the The William and Mary Quarterly contributor cited above and ask questions! But, I will say again, Horn is NOT considered historically valid in the first 2 volumes. Historically valid is the key point. When researchers back then looked at his work, dissected his work, and tried to find secondary sources, they concluded his writing was fiction. (I'm just reporting what I have read over the last 30 years of my own research.) Thank you for hearing my statements. Judy On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:59 PM, <rslater463@aol.com> wrote: > To say that the first two volumes of The Horn Papers?in their entirety are > pure fabrication (not what you are saying Judy, but what some claim) is a > reckless statement.? I believe that if one were to compare the information > to the records, some of?it in regard to families and their > relationships?proves to be?true.? Some of?the?work was?pure hogwash but then > a lot of people in area were totally embarrassed at having bought into the > Horn Papers without taking a close look at them.? It was easier to reject > the whole and let the embarrassment die down than to sort through the > information and separate fact from fiction.? Perhaps if the plates had been > made of gold, like those found 100 years earlier on which en entire religion > is based, Mr. Horn would have had more credibility. And of course Mr. Horn > died before they could get him into court. > > I have? family stories handed down in writing?that parts of are pure > fiction, but if I didn't follow the clues to separate out what is fact I > would not have taken my research to the place it is today. > > Any written?history is NOT a primary source but it looks as if the > community at that time did what a lot of researchers do today - take > everything they see in writing as fact and never proof the research > supposedly done by others. > Just my 2-cents. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: J.A. Florian <cageycat@gmail.com> > To: Bill <bocsi505@windstream.net> > Cc: PAGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 8:47 am > Subject: Re: [PAGRE] Cornerstone Clues > > > > Often people think of "the maps" when they speak of the Horn Papers. The > maps *are* considered historically accurate, based on documents. > > But, there are 3 volumes to the Horn Papers. A writer at "Wikipedia" > explains the problem with the first 2 volumes::: > > (Quoted Material below) > >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > Jump to: navigation, search > The Horn Papers were a genealogical hoax consisting of forged historical > records pertaining to the northeastern United States for the period from > 1765 to 1795. They were published by William F. Horn of Topeka, Kansas > between 1933 and 1936, and presented as a transcription of documents of his > great-great-great grandfather, Jacob Horn (died 1778), and other members of > the Horn family. > > The Horn Papers first appeared publicly in 1932 in letters sent from Topeka > to the editors of the Washington, Pennsylvania Observer and the Waynesburg, > Pennsylvania Democrat-Messenger in which their author claimed to possess > important historical documents relating to the area. > > >From 1933 to 1936 the newspapers printed excerpts from Horn's manuscripts > and diaries. Horn even moved to his ancestral home of Waynesburg and > through > speeches became well known as an historical expert. > > Material in the papers included diaries, Virginia court records, and maps. > They were notable for their great level of detail, especially concerning > the > lives of the common people. Because the papers appeared to supply > information about famous historical figures and to fill gaps in existing > historical knowledge, they were received enthusiastically despite some > apparent contradictions. > > Although a minority opposed William Horn, on August 11, 1936 his claims > appeared to have been corroborated when he announced that he had dug up two > lead plates dated 1795 in a location predicted by the papers. > > The apparent find increased the confidence of members of the Greene County, > Pennsylvania Historical Society, who sponsored the reissuing of the papers > in book form. In 1945 the papers were published as a three-volume collectio > n > entitled The Horn Papers: Early Western Movement on the Monongahela and > Upper Ohio, 1765-1795. > > A year later, a report by a committee of representatives of historical > societies from the region concluded in The William and Mary Quarterly that > the first two volumes were substantially hoaxes. > > There is no conclusive explanation why W. F. Horn devoted such a great > effort to the forgeries. > > [edit] References > Horn, W. F. [ed.] (1945), The Horn Papers: Early Western Movement on the > Monongahela and Upper Ohio, 1765-1795, 3 vols. > Middleton, Arthur Pierce & Adair, Douglass (Oct., 1947). The Mystery of the > Horn Papers. The William and Mary Quarterly, 3rd Ser., Vol. 4, No. 4. pp. > 409-445. > [edit] External links > Genealogical Hoax - The Horn Papers > Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_Papers" > (End of Quoted Material) > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Bill <bocsi505@windstream.net> wrote: > > > I do not have the latest Cornerstone Clues as I loaned my copy so I am > not > > sure what was referenced about the Horn Papers. > > > > Being my early Greene County family were slaves, I find the Horn Papers > > quite interesting for they add to the history of Greene County Slavery > > rather than take from it. > > > > I have been in Cornerstone when a researcher would ask about the Horn > > Papers and I would hear a volunteer urging caution when reading the Horn > > Papers... not to believe all they say. > > > > I have also read books by Greene County researchers regarding Slavery > that > > offer no positive proof, only stories and rumors so with those written > > books, I, and others, must be "cautious" when reading them. For example, > my > > GGG Grandfather is "rumored" to have earned his freedom by digging 5000 > > bushels of coal for his master. However, Document Books at the Greene > > County Courthouse show no "Deed of Manumission" for my GGG Grandfather. > > > > I trust some of what the Horn Papers say..some. But not to be able to > read > > them, would be a loss. > > > > Bill Davison > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > WASHINGTON COUNTY PA WEBSITES::: > > http://freepages.misc. > rootsweb.com/~florian/ > > Coordinator of the Washington County PAGenWeb: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAGREENE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- -- WASHINGTON COUNTY PA WEBSITES::: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~florian/ Coordinator of the Washington County PAGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/

To say that the first two volumes of The Horn Papers?in their entirety are pure fabrication (not what you are saying Judy, but what some claim) is a reckless statement.? I believe that if one were to compare the information to the records, some of?it in regard to families and their relationships?proves to be?true.? Some of?the?work was?pure hogwash but then a lot of people in area were totally embarrassed at having bought into the Horn Papers without taking a close look at them.? It was easier to reject the whole and let the embarrassment die down than to sort through the information and separate fact from fiction.? Perhaps if the plates had been made of gold, like those found 100 years earlier on which en entire religion is based, Mr. Horn would have had more credibility. And of course Mr. Horn died before they could get him into court. I have? family stories handed down in writing?that parts of are pure fiction, but if I didn't follow the clues to separate out what is fact I would not have taken my research to the place it is today. Any written?history is NOT a primary source but it looks as if the community at that time did what a lot of researchers do today - take everything they see in writing as fact and never proof the research supposedly done by others. Just my 2-cents. Jan -----Original Message----- From: J.A. Florian <cageycat@gmail.com> To: Bill <bocsi505@windstream.net> Cc: PAGREENE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 8:47 am Subject: Re: [PAGRE] Cornerstone Clues Often people think of "the maps" when they speak of the Horn Papers. The maps *are* considered historically accurate, based on documents. But, there are 3 volumes to the Horn Papers. A writer at "Wikipedia" explains the problem with the first 2 volumes::: (Quoted Material below) >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search The Horn Papers were a genealogical hoax consisting of forged historical records pertaining to the northeastern United States for the period from 1765 to 1795. They were published by William F. Horn of Topeka, Kansas between 1933 and 1936, and presented as a transcription of documents of his great-great-great grandfather, Jacob Horn (died 1778), and other members of the Horn family. The Horn Papers first appeared publicly in 1932 in letters sent from Topeka to the editors of the Washington, Pennsylvania Observer and the Waynesburg, Pennsylvania Democrat-Messenger in which their author claimed to possess important historical documents relating to the area. >From 1933 to 1936 the newspapers printed excerpts from Horn's manuscripts and diaries. Horn even moved to his ancestral home of Waynesburg and through speeches became well known as an historical expert. Material in the papers included diaries, Virginia court records, and maps. They were notable for their great level of detail, especially concerning the lives of the common people. Because the papers appeared to supply information about famous historical figures and to fill gaps in existing historical knowledge, they were received enthusiastically despite some apparent contradictions. Although a minority opposed William Horn, on August 11, 1936 his claims appeared to have been corroborated when he announced that he had dug up two lead plates dated 1795 in a location predicted by the papers. The apparent find increased the confidence of members of the Greene County, Pennsylvania Historical Society, who sponsored the reissuing of the papers in book form. In 1945 the papers were published as a three-volume collectio n entitled The Horn Papers: Early Western Movement on the Monongahela and Upper Ohio, 1765-1795. A year later, a report by a committee of representatives of historical societies from the region concluded in The William and Mary Quarterly that the first two volumes were substantially hoaxes. There is no conclusive explanation why W. F. Horn devoted such a great effort to the forgeries. [edit] References Horn, W. F. [ed.] (1945), The Horn Papers: Early Western Movement on the Monongahela and Upper Ohio, 1765-1795, 3 vols. Middleton, Arthur Pierce & Adair, Douglass (Oct., 1947). The Mystery of the Horn Papers. The William and Mary Quarterly, 3rd Ser., Vol. 4, No. 4. pp. 409-445. [edit] External links Genealogical Hoax - The Horn Papers Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_Papers" (End of Quoted Material) On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Bill <bocsi505@windstream.net> wrote: > I do not have the latest Cornerstone Clues as I loaned my copy so I am not > sure what was referenced about the Horn Papers. > > Being my early Greene County family were slaves, I find the Horn Papers > quite interesting for they add to the history of Greene County Slavery > rather than take from it. > > I have been in Cornerstone when a researcher would ask about the Horn > Papers and I would hear a volunteer urging caution when reading the Horn > Papers... not to believe all they say. > > I have also read books by Greene County researchers regarding Slavery that > offer no positive proof, only stories and rumors so with those written > books, I, and others, must be "cautious" when reading them. For example, my > GGG Grandfather is "rumored" to have earned his freedom by digging 5000 > bushels of coal for his master. However, Document Books at the Greene > County Courthouse show no "Deed of Manumission" for my GGG Grandfather. > > I trust some of what the Horn Papers say..some. But not to be able to read > them, would be a loss. > > Bill Davison > > > > -- > -- > WASHINGTON COUNTY PA WEBSITES::: > http://freepages.misc. rootsweb.com/~florian/ > Coordinator of the Washington County PAGenWeb: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ruth, The same thing happened to me once! Maybe it was the same kind lady? I was surprised by it too, and greatly appreciated her offer. Also, people may want to consider donating a book for genealogy research or reference, to one of the genealogy rooms like Cornerstone, Greene County. Sometimes I'll order a book that I know I won't read but once. Those are the ones I donate after I read them. I just mail the books to them. I figure others who visit Cornerstone will enjoy reading them too. I picked Cornerstone since that's where I began my research over 10 years ago. So, they have a warm spot in my heart! They have helped me a great deal. Carole Clarke --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Ruth Sprowls <ruthsprowls@windstream.net> wrote: > From: Ruth Sprowls <ruthsprowls@windstream.net> > Subject: Re: [Fayette PA] Re: A Genealogical Codicil > To: fayette_pa@yahoogroups.com > Cc: CageyCat@aol.com > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 11:38 AM > Thanks Judy - good suggestions - regarding operating funds > for the > historical societies: so many of us on the lists > "volunteer" to > locate info for others for free. I had found a lot of info > for a lady > one time and either scanned/emailed articles to her and/or > printed out > articles and mailed to her and she asked what society > would I like > her to make a donation to,in my name. I was surprised! I > gave her > the name of my choice and she mailed a nice donation to > them. So for > those of you who receive free information from listers, > that is a very > nice way of saying thank you. ANY donation would be > greatly > appreciated by any historical society. > Ruth > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Visit the Fayette County, PA Genealogy Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pafayett/Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fayette_pa/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fayette_pa/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > > <*> To change settings via email: > mailto:fayette_pa-digest@yahoogroups.com > mailto:fayette_pa-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > fayette_pa-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Often people think of "the maps" when they speak of the Horn Papers. The maps *are* considered historically accurate, based on documents. But, there are 3 volumes to the Horn Papers. A writer at "Wikipedia" explains the problem with the first 2 volumes::: (Quoted Material below) >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search The Horn Papers were a genealogical hoax consisting of forged historical records pertaining to the northeastern United States for the period from 1765 to 1795. They were published by William F. Horn of Topeka, Kansas between 1933 and 1936, and presented as a transcription of documents of his great-great-great grandfather, Jacob Horn (died 1778), and other members of the Horn family. The Horn Papers first appeared publicly in 1932 in letters sent from Topeka to the editors of the Washington, Pennsylvania Observer and the Waynesburg, Pennsylvania Democrat-Messenger in which their author claimed to possess important historical documents relating to the area. >From 1933 to 1936 the newspapers printed excerpts from Horn's manuscripts and diaries. Horn even moved to his ancestral home of Waynesburg and through speeches became well known as an historical expert. Material in the papers included diaries, Virginia court records, and maps. They were notable for their great level of detail, especially concerning the lives of the common people. Because the papers appeared to supply information about famous historical figures and to fill gaps in existing historical knowledge, they were received enthusiastically despite some apparent contradictions. Although a minority opposed William Horn, on August 11, 1936 his claims appeared to have been corroborated when he announced that he had dug up two lead plates dated 1795 in a location predicted by the papers. The apparent find increased the confidence of members of the Greene County, Pennsylvania Historical Society, who sponsored the reissuing of the papers in book form. In 1945 the papers were published as a three-volume collection entitled The Horn Papers: Early Western Movement on the Monongahela and Upper Ohio, 1765-1795. A year later, a report by a committee of representatives of historical societies from the region concluded in The William and Mary Quarterly that the first two volumes were substantially hoaxes. There is no conclusive explanation why W. F. Horn devoted such a great effort to the forgeries. [edit] References Horn, W. F. [ed.] (1945), The Horn Papers: Early Western Movement on the Monongahela and Upper Ohio, 1765-1795, 3 vols. Middleton, Arthur Pierce & Adair, Douglass (Oct., 1947). The Mystery of the Horn Papers. The William and Mary Quarterly, 3rd Ser., Vol. 4, No. 4. pp. 409-445. [edit] External links Genealogical Hoax - The Horn Papers Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_Papers" (End of Quoted Material) On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Bill <bocsi505@windstream.net> wrote: > I do not have the latest Cornerstone Clues as I loaned my copy so I am not > sure what was referenced about the Horn Papers. > > Being my early Greene County family were slaves, I find the Horn Papers > quite interesting for they add to the history of Greene County Slavery > rather than take from it. > > I have been in Cornerstone when a researcher would ask about the Horn > Papers and I would hear a volunteer urging caution when reading the Horn > Papers... not to believe all they say. > > I have also read books by Greene County researchers regarding Slavery that > offer no positive proof, only stories and rumors so with those written > books, I, and others, must be "cautious" when reading them. For example, my > GGG Grandfather is "rumored" to have earned his freedom by digging 5000 > bushels of coal for his master. However, Document Books at the Greene > County Courthouse show no "Deed of Manumission" for my GGG Grandfather. > > I trust some of what the Horn Papers say..some. But not to be able to read > them, would be a loss. > > Bill Davison > > > > -- > -- > WASHINGTON COUNTY PA WEBSITES::: > http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~florian/ > Coordinator of the Washington County PAGenWeb: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ >

I do not have the latest Cornerstone Clues as I loaned my copy so I am not sure what was referenced about the Horn Papers. Being my early Greene County family were slaves, I find the Horn Papers quite interesting for they add to the history of Greene County Slavery rather than take from it. I have been in Cornerstone when a researcher would ask about the Horn Papers and I would hear a volunteer urging caution when reading the Horn Papers... not to believe all they say. I have also read books by Greene County researchers regarding Slavery that offer no positive proof, only stories and rumors so with those written books, I, and others, must be "cautious" when reading them. For example, my GGG Grandfather is "rumored" to have earned his freedom by digging 5000 bushels of coal for his master. However, Document Books at the Greene County Courthouse show no "Deed of Manumission" for my GGG Grandfather. I trust some of what the Horn Papers say..some. But not to be able to read them, would be a loss. Bill Davison

Dear List, Nothing should be discounted. Everything should be considered. I've found a very important piece of factual information in the Horn Papers. It's the only resource I've found so far for this piece of information. So, I'm certainly not discounting them. They're a reference document. Period. For those of us who lives thousands of miles away, they're a valuable reference document. Just like everything else. Not everything is 100 percent. Look at the census records! My families names are spelled a zillion different ways, depending on the literacy of the census taker! One time they're white, another time mulatto, and another time nothing! Hello? Their skin color didn't change between census'! Also, Wikipedia should be examined closely too. FYI. Wikipedia is NEVER allowed to be used as a primary reference for students (i.e., high school or college). My 2 cents + some change! Carole Clarke --- On Thu, 2/26/09, rslater463@aol.com <rslater463@aol.com> wrote: > From: rslater463@aol.com <rslater463@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [PAGRE] Cornerstone Clues > To: pagreene@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 9:59 AM > To say that the first two volumes of The Horn Papers?in > their entirety are pure fabrication (not what you are saying > Judy, but what some claim) is a reckless statement.? I > believe that if one were to compare the information to the > records, some of?it in regard to families and their > relationships?proves to be?true.? Some of?the?work was?pure > hogwash but then a lot of people in area were totally > embarrassed at having bought into the Horn Papers without > taking a close look at them.? It was easier to reject the > whole and let the embarrassment die down than to sort > through the information and separate fact from fiction.? > Perhaps if the plates had been made of gold, like those > found 100 years earlier on which en entire religion is > based, Mr. Horn would have had more credibility. And of > course Mr. Horn died before they could get him into court. > > I have? family stories handed down in writing?that parts of > are pure fiction, but if I didn't follow the clues to > separate out what is fact I would not have taken my research > to the place it is today. > > Any written?history is NOT a primary source but it looks as > if the community at that time did what a lot of researchers > do today - take everything they see in writing as fact and > never proof the research supposedly done by others. > Just my 2-cents. > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: J.A. Florian <cageycat@gmail.com> > To: Bill <bocsi505@windstream.net> > Cc: PAGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 8:47 am > Subject: Re: [PAGRE] Cornerstone Clues > > > > Often people think of "the maps" when they speak > of the Horn Papers. The > maps *are* considered historically accurate, based on > documents. > > But, there are 3 volumes to the Horn Papers. A writer at > "Wikipedia" > explains the problem with the first 2 volumes::: > > (Quoted Material below) > >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > Jump to: navigation, search > The Horn Papers were a genealogical hoax consisting of > forged historical > records pertaining to the northeastern United States for > the period from > 1765 to 1795. They were published by William F. Horn of > Topeka, Kansas > between 1933 and 1936, and presented as a transcription of > documents of his > great-great-great grandfather, Jacob Horn (died 1778), and > other members of > the Horn family. > > The Horn Papers first appeared publicly in 1932 in letters > sent from Topeka > to the editors of the Washington, Pennsylvania Observer and > the Waynesburg, > Pennsylvania Democrat-Messenger in which their author > claimed to possess > important historical documents relating to the area. > > >From 1933 to 1936 the newspapers printed excerpts from > Horn's manuscripts > and diaries. Horn even moved to his ancestral home of > Waynesburg and through > speeches became well known as an historical expert. > > Material in the papers included diaries, Virginia court > records, and maps. > They were notable for their great level of detail, > especially concerning the > lives of the common people. Because the papers appeared to > supply > information about famous historical figures and to fill > gaps in existing > historical knowledge, they were received enthusiastically > despite some > apparent contradictions. > > Although a minority opposed William Horn, on August 11, > 1936 his claims > appeared to have been corroborated when he announced that > he had dug up two > lead plates dated 1795 in a location predicted by the > papers. > > The apparent find increased the confidence of members of > the Greene County, > Pennsylvania Historical Society, who sponsored the > reissuing of the papers > in book form. In 1945 the papers were published as a > three-volume collectio > n > entitled The Horn Papers: Early Western Movement on the > Monongahela and > Upper Ohio, 1765-1795. > > A year later, a report by a committee of representatives of > historical > societies from the region concluded in The William and Mary > Quarterly that > the first two volumes were substantially hoaxes. > > There is no conclusive explanation why W. F. Horn devoted > such a great > effort to the forgeries. > > [edit] References > Horn, W. F. [ed.] (1945), The Horn Papers: Early Western > Movement on the > Monongahela and Upper Ohio, 1765-1795, 3 vols. > Middleton, Arthur Pierce & Adair, Douglass (Oct., > 1947). The Mystery of the > Horn Papers. The William and Mary Quarterly, 3rd Ser., Vol. > 4, No. 4. pp. > 409-445. > [edit] External links > Genealogical Hoax - The Horn Papers > Retrieved from > "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_Papers" > (End of Quoted Material) > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Bill > <bocsi505@windstream.net> wrote: > > > I do not have the latest Cornerstone Clues as I loaned > my copy so I am not > > sure what was referenced about the Horn Papers. > > > > Being my early Greene County family were slaves, I > find the Horn Papers > > quite interesting for they add to the history of > Greene County Slavery > > rather than take from it. > > > > I have been in Cornerstone when a researcher would ask > about the Horn > > Papers and I would hear a volunteer urging caution > when reading the Horn > > Papers... not to believe all they say. > > > > I have also read books by Greene County researchers > regarding Slavery that > > offer no positive proof, only stories and rumors so > with those written > > books, I, and others, must be "cautious" > when reading them. For example, my > > GGG Grandfather is "rumored" to have earned > his freedom by digging 5000 > > bushels of coal for his master. However, Document > Books at the Greene > > County Courthouse show no "Deed of > Manumission" for my GGG Grandfather. > > > > I trust some of what the Horn Papers say..some. But > not to be able to read > > them, would be a loss. > > > > Bill Davison > > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > WASHINGTON COUNTY PA WEBSITES::: > > http://freepages.misc. > rootsweb.com/~florian/ > > Coordinator of the Washington County PAGenWeb: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pawashin/ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAGREENE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAGREENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message