Hi All I am at a brick wall researching one of the first Pages in early Niagara [Canada] He was called Thomas Otway-Page and took that name possibly because either- *there were other Thomas Pages in early residence there [including maybe my ancestor by the same name] *several sources report that he had done something his family did not like - so he took his mothers name. I think this name is Page because he is reported to be the brother of several Otway people of great distinction. There are no libraries in western Oregon with access to the Oxford University and their Free Access to the Dictionary of National Biography which is shown as the source on Wikipedia for information. Would one of you Early British Researchers who knows someone in Gt. Britain please email this request to a researcher in England where ALL public libraries have access to this OXFORD DICTIONARY OF NATIONAL BIOGRAPHY? [Or find a North American library with the same free access?] I need to find as much information on the name of the mother for these men and confirm that they are also in the same family. All items I have seen indicate that her maiden name was PAGE. My research so far shows that these men are brothers: *Thomas Otway-Page d. near Toronto ca 1832 [He 'took his mothers name because of some disagreement in the family'] *Sir Loftus William Otway [shown as the 4th of 5 brothers in Wikipedia] *Admiral Sir Robert Waller Otway 1770 - 1846 [also shown as the son of Cooke and Elizabeth Otway - was she a Page?] There is a good picture of the birthplace of these men at Castle Otway in Tipperary, Ireland - at the URL : http://www.abandonedireland.com/CastleOtway_1.html There is scant information about the descendants of Thomas Otway-Page although I have about 96 names so far with the only person currently living not knowing a lot of relatives or much history. I have every newspaper mention of this man and his War of 1812 claims, land claims as a UEL, and some of the military service records for Lincoln Militia etc. Genetically it is likely that this person is an Otway and all Pages descended from him are likely all male Otway DNA. The family used Otway-Page for several generations in Canada in the very first part of the 1800's, then used Otway as a middle name for everyone with Page as the surname, then many later and now living generations used only PAGE as a surname. Not many descendants of this man are doing genealogy. Ninety Six known descendants are known at this time. In a totally different PAGE family from another Thomas Page who was also likely in early Niagara maybe as early as the 1780's when Joseph Page of the Butlers Rangers was also there [any relationship still unknown] there are about 7000 known descendants already [all in my Page DNA Line E] so there MUST be more of these Otway-Pages around by now! It is about 7 generations later now! Many thanks to all who can help on this early Canadian line of research. Surely all the big research universities and Genealogy research groups like NEHGS have access to this British resource library. Regards to all, Ruthanne Page

Hello Ruthanne, I had never heard of the dictionary you mentioned so I poked around a little and found that you can browse the index without a subscription. http://www.oup.com/oxforddnb/index/ It doesn't give much information, just names, birth and death years and occupation, but that might be enough to find out if the person you're looking for is there. Even if you know about this already, I thought it might be useful to someone else on the list. Barbara Senden -----Original Message----- From: Ruthanne Page <mrpage55@terragon.com> To: Page Digest <page@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 29, 2010 2:29 pm Subject: [PAGE] Needed - someone with access to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography Hi All am at a brick wall researching one of the first Pages in early Niagara Canada] He was called Thomas Otway-Page and took that name possibly ecause either- there were other Thomas Pages in early residence there [including maybe y ancestor by the same name] several sources report that he had done something his family did not ike - so he took his mothers name. I think this name is Page because e is reported to be the brother of several Otway people of great istinction. There are no libraries in western Oregon with access to the Oxford niversity and their Free Access to the Dictionary of National Biography hich is shown as the source on Wikipedia for information. Would one of you Early British Researchers who knows someone in Gt. ritain please email this request to a researcher in England where ALL ublic libraries have access to this OXFORD DICTIONARY OF NATIONAL IOGRAPHY? [Or find a North American library with the same free access?] I need to find as much information on the name of the mother for these en and confirm that they are also in the same family. ll items I have seen indicate that her maiden name was PAGE. y research so far shows that these men are brothers: Thomas Otway-Page d. near Toronto ca 1832 [He 'took his mothers name ecause of some disagreement in the family'] Sir Loftus William Otway [shown as the 4th of 5 brothers in Wikipedia] Admiral Sir Robert Waller Otway 1770 - 1846 [also shown as the son of ooke and Elizabeth Otway - was she a Page?] There is a good picture of the birthplace of these men at Castle Otway n Tipperary, Ireland - at the URL : ttp://www.abandonedireland.com/CastleOtway_1.html There is scant information about the descendants of Thomas Otway-Page lthough I have about 96 names so far with the only person currently iving not knowing a lot of relatives or much history. I have every ewspaper mention of this man and his War of 1812 claims, land claims as UEL, and some of the military service records for Lincoln Militia etc. Genetically it is likely that this person is an Otway and all Pages escended from him are likely all male Otway DNA. The family used tway-Page for several generations in Canada in the very first part of he 1800's, then used Otway as a middle name for everyone with Page as he surname, then many later and now living generations used only PAGE s a surname. Not many descendants of this man are doing genealogy. inety Six known descendants are known at this time. In a totally different PAGE family from another Thomas Page who was also ikely in early Niagara maybe as early as the 1780's when Joseph Page of he Butlers Rangers was also there [any relationship still unknown] here are about 7000 known descendants already [all in my Page DNA Line ] so there MUST be more of these Otway-Pages around by now! It is bout 7 generations later now! Many thanks to all who can help on this early Canadian line of esearch. Surely all the big research universities and Genealogy esearch groups like NEHGS have access to this British resource library. Regards to all, Ruthanne Page ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAGE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Oops! I just realized I got that link wrong. Try this. http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/ Barbara -----Original Message----- From: sendenba@aol.com To: page@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:53 am Subject: Re: [PAGE] Needed - someone with access to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography ello Ruthanne, I had never heard of the dictionary you mentioned so I poked around a little and ound that you can browse the index without a subscription. ttp://www.oup.com/oxforddnb/index/ It doesn't give much information, just ames, birth and death years and occupation, but that might be enough to find ut if the person you're looking for is there. Even if you know about this lready, I thought it might be useful to someone else on the list. Barbara Senden -----Original Message----- rom: Ruthanne Page <mrpage55@terragon.com> o: Page Digest <page@rootsweb.com> ent: Thu, Jul 29, 2010 2:29 pm ubject: [PAGE] Needed - someone with access to the Oxford Dictionary of ational Biography i All am at a brick wall researching one of the first Pages in early Niagara anada] He was called Thomas Otway-Page and took that name possibly cause either- here were other Thomas Pages in early residence there [including maybe ancestor by the same name] everal sources report that he had done something his family did not ke - so he took his mothers name. I think this name is Page because is reported to be the brother of several Otway people of great stinction. here are no libraries in western Oregon with access to the Oxford iversity and their Free Access to the Dictionary of National Biography ich is shown as the source on Wikipedia for information. ould one of you Early British Researchers who knows someone in Gt. itain please email this request to a researcher in England where ALL blic libraries have access to this OXFORD DICTIONARY OF NATIONAL OGRAPHY? [Or find a North American library with the same free access?] need to find as much information on the name of the mother for these n and confirm that they are also in the same family. l items I have seen indicate that her maiden name was PAGE. research so far shows that these men are brothers: homas Otway-Page d. near Toronto ca 1832 [He 'took his mothers name cause of some disagreement in the family'] ir Loftus William Otway [shown as the 4th of 5 brothers in Wikipedia] dmiral Sir Robert Waller Otway 1770 - 1846 [also shown as the son of oke and Elizabeth Otway - was she a Page?] here is a good picture of the birthplace of these men at Castle Otway Tipperary, Ireland - at the URL : tp://www.abandonedireland.com/CastleOtway_1.html here is scant information about the descendants of Thomas Otway-Page though I have about 96 names so far with the only person currently ving not knowing a lot of relatives or much history. I have every wspaper mention of this man and his War of 1812 claims, land claims as UEL, and some of the military service records for Lincoln Militia etc. enetically it is likely that this person is an Otway and all Pages scended from him are likely all male Otway DNA. The family used way-Page for several generations in Canada in the very first part of e 1800's, then used Otway as a middle name for everyone with Page as e surname, then many later and now living generations used only PAGE a surname. Not many descendants of this man are doing genealogy. nety Six known descendants are known at this time. n a totally different PAGE family from another Thomas Page who was also kely in early Niagara maybe as early as the 1780's when Joseph Page of e Butlers Rangers was also there [any relationship still unknown] ere are about 7000 known descendants already [all in my Page DNA Line so there MUST be more of these Otway-Pages around by now! It is out 7 generations later now! any thanks to all who can help on this early Canadian line of search. Surely all the big research universities and Genealogy search groups like NEHGS have access to this British resource library. egards to all, Ruthanne Page ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAGE-request@rootsweb.com th the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAGE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message