Is my understanding fairly accurate? I have always thought that the surname Page was probably derived from the person being a "page" in the court of a nobleman (king or others). LaFon Stone Commander ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Can someone tell me how much the DNA test cost. Are Paige name was spelled Paige but my great grandfather was born in Dracut Mass. And it was spelled Page. I have a uncle in California who I would send the test to . I would love to know who we were. There was mentioned his father was a John Page. Also a Captain John Page. Can't find nothing. Oh I forgot my great grandfather was Isaac Newton Page. Thats as far back as I can go. Stuck. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruthanne Page" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 12:52 AM Subject: [PAGE] The Book by Charles Nash Page Stephen: You were asking about the Revolutionary War Veteran shown in the Charles Nash Page book of 1915. Both Elijah Page and his father Thomas Page in my line (and that of the authors Charles Nash Page) are DAR Patriots. They won't work for you because they are not your direct line. Others may be named but I don't recall if there are any more Revolutionary patriots identified in that book. If you want a copy of the book please contact me off- list with your address. I Xerox from an original given to my Dad by the author in 1945. I can give you a pretty nice copy including a color print of the family crest and postage paid for $15. It is also available bound in hardback from Higginsons Books on-line. Our Den-mother GWP says the crest isn't very accurate as the exact family it represents isn't known. Anyway, it was a PAGE family crest for someone and many north American individuals who are as ill informed as I am think it is just grand and will do nicely - even though it might be the wrong one! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - My line is as follows: John(1) Page+ Phebe Paine John(2) Page+ Faith Dunster Samuel(3) Page + Martha Park Thomas(4) Page + Mary Knight <Both Thomas and son Elijah Elijah(5) Page + Sibil Brooks <can be used to apply for DAR. Aaron(6) Page + Laura Daten Reuben(7) Daten Page + Elizabeth Blodzell William Nelson(8) Page + Mary Ann Cassils Nelson(9) Henry Page + Martha Ann Saunders Percival Edgar (Percy)(10) Page + Gwynneth Mildred Prudden M. Ruthanne(11) Page - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - It looks like your line takes off from mine at Samuel(3) which would make us – woops I don’t know the last few generations down to you yet. I do know about 5000 of your closest relatives though! They are mostly descendants of Thomas who is a huge problem to researchers in my line. Charles Nash Page knew his exact birthdate and where he was buried but described it as 'near Toronto' in the book. That could be anywhere in Ontario. I spent 6 weeks going through ALL 7000 cemetery transcriptions of Ontario once when visiting in Toronto at the Ontario Genealogical Society repository in the North York Public Library.. I would love to know some more relatives who are in the John Page-Phebe Paine group. There are thousands of us and more are springing up from this list. We are ‘proving’ our relationship backwards now after the DNA says we are REALLY related for sure. It is very exciting. Regards to all, Ruthanne Page ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Unfortunately the "Family Crest" she refers to is a misnomer. It is the author's blue and gold depiction of (his) "Ancient Coat of Arms of the PAGE Family," and bogus! A crest is a heraldry device consisting of a modeled object such as a bird, griffin, sword, knife, etc. (in this case a demi-horse), that was granted by proper authority (i.e., the sovereign's heralds, King at Arms, College of Arms, etc.) to individuals for use on their helmets, dinner plates, silver, stationery, etc.. That same authority granted to some individuals (not families) of the gentry class and higher a coat-of-arms, consisting of a decorated shield with mantling around recognizable markings in unique colors, together with the crest on the top of a helmet, and a Latin motto at the bottom. These coats-of-arms were recorded and periodic fees were collected to retain and use them. They were often distinguished within a family of siblings by cadency marks indicating the order of birth of each male child in the family. Unlike knighthood, the coats-of-arms were heritary in nature and passed down the family line in accordance with the established rules of heredity. If a man with a coat-of-arms died without living male heirs, each of his daughters became an heiress and each was granted the father's coat-on-arms which meant the family's shield could be impaled with that of her husband into a new coat-of-arms for them which was often quartered --- the first and third quarters of the shield with the husband's, and the second and fourth quarters for the wife's shield. The coats-of- arms were described in text and documents as being 'blazoned' with clearly defined terms for colors (e.g., sable, or, gules, vert, etc.); objects, e.g. martletts, doves, etc.; posture or action (e.g., rampant); and completeness (e.g., demi) The key points to remember are that the majority of PAGE immigrants to American were NOT of the gentry social rank in order to have had a coat-of-arms in their families prior to coming to the New World! Most who came were, instead, of the Yeoman, Husband, or lower social class down through servants to convicts. There were only two immigrants of the gentry class to immigrate to America ("gentry" being defined as able to earn more than 50 pounds a year from land, or some other manner, EXCEPT than by the sweat of manual labor. It was not necessarily an indicator of wealth because many Yeoman class males were very wealthy indeed!): Col. John Page, Esq. who came from co. Middlesex, Eng., to Jamestown, VA in 1650 [Arms: "Or, a fess dancettee between three martlets azure (or sable), a border of the last" - Source: Burke's "General Armory," p. 720]; and, George Page, Gent., who came to Branford, CT, c. 1662 from Shorne, Co. Kent, England. [Arms: (Not awarded to the immigrant, his ancestors were granted) "Argent, on a bend sable three doves of the first, beaked and legged gules"] One significant reminder was that men and women who married, most often married someone of their own social class because most marriages, especially of the affluent, were arranged marriages. If they didn't have an arranged marriage, they often married within their social class (and religion) because that's who the met and knew through their parents and the occupations of their parents. GWP "Den-mother Page" __________ At 10:52 PM 6/8/2007, Ruthanne Page wrote: >(skip) >... Our Den-mother GWP says the >crest isn't very accurate as the exact family it represents isn't known. > Anyway, it was a PAGE family crest for someone and many north American >individuals who are as ill informed as I am think it is just grand and >will do nicely - even though it might be the wrong one!

Stephen: You were asking about the Revolutionary War Veteran shown in the Charles Nash Page book of 1915. Both Elijah Page and his father Thomas Page in my line (and that of the authors Charles Nash Page) are DAR Patriots. They won't work for you because they are not your direct line. Others may be named but I don't recall if there are any more Revolutionary patriots identified in that book. If you want a copy of the book please contact me off- list with your address. I Xerox from an original given to my Dad by the author in 1945. I can give you a pretty nice copy including a color print of the family crest and postage paid for $15. It is also available bound in hardback from Higginsons Books on-line. Our Den-mother GWP says the crest isn't very accurate as the exact family it represents isn't known. Anyway, it was a PAGE family crest for someone and many north American individuals who are as ill informed as I am think it is just grand and will do nicely - even though it might be the wrong one! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - My line is as follows: John(1) Page+ Phebe Paine John(2) Page+ Faith Dunster Samuel(3) Page + Martha Park Thomas(4) Page + Mary Knight <Both Thomas and son Elijah Elijah(5) Page + Sibil Brooks <can be used to apply for DAR. Aaron(6) Page + Laura Daten Reuben(7) Daten Page + Elizabeth Blodzell William Nelson(8) Page + Mary Ann Cassils Nelson(9) Henry Page + Martha Ann Saunders Percival Edgar (Percy)(10) Page + Gwynneth Mildred Prudden M. Ruthanne(11) Page - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - It looks like your line takes off from mine at Samuel(3) which would make us – woops I don’t know the last few generations down to you yet. I do know about 5000 of your closest relatives though! They are mostly descendants of Thomas who is a huge problem to researchers in my line. Charles Nash Page knew his exact birthdate and where he was buried but described it as 'near Toronto' in the book. That could be anywhere in Ontario. I spent 6 weeks going through ALL 7000 cemetery transcriptions of Ontario once when visiting in Toronto at the Ontario Genealogical Society repository in the North York Public Library.. I would love to know some more relatives who are in the John Page-Phebe Paine group. There are thousands of us and more are springing up from this list. We are ‘proving’ our relationship backwards now after the DNA says we are REALLY related for sure. It is very exciting. Regards to all, Ruthanne Page

Carla- There must be a PAGE descendant on this list who could help you “do” all the Pages of Virginia. There was an excellent book written about that family in 1893 by one Richard Canning Moore PAGE, MD. I got my copy from Higginsons Books years ago and determined that these Pages who are not “mine”. You would be doing a great service to transcribe that entire book into a genealogy database and then add your own line where they take off. Possibly someone has done that already with connections to ‘their’ line. This is one of the big founding families of North America and includes Gov. John Page (of VA), Hon. Mann Page and the author Thomas Nelson Page. Place names in Virginia are wild and crazy to someone from thousands of miles away and I see locations such as Goochland, Roswell, and Rug Swamp which are hilarious in my mind. I have long had the theory that there are only so many place names available in the world and now I find that almost every state has a ‘Turkey Hills’ from you. This really threw me as ‘Turkey Hills’ is a location where Pages in my Line (from Samuel-3, John2, John-1 and Phebe Paine) had a huge family in Lunenburg. Mass. He was called ‘Old Governor Page’ which is a modernization of Guv’ner or a polite term for someone not an Esq. or a Mr. or didn’t have an old military title like Capt. Of Maj. Or Lt. which they can retain long after the military service has ended. I would seriously like to know more about that Charles Nash Page who must be in that Virginia group of Pages. This is the type of thing that will keep springing up forever with people in other families – who all have the same name but usually they are simpler ones. The confusion about different Gov. John Page’s (who were all fine men) - reigns supreme. There are quite a few of them around too! Somebody has likely done much of their own line and maybe even most of that old book. Do we have any experts in the thousands of descendants of Pages of Virginia out there? Is this identified by one of the Family Groups in the DNA studies George? Anyone who has done theirs back to any of those ‘founders’ should identify themselves and get a PAGE man in their family to take the DNA test ASAP– please! Your own ‘tree’ will set the standard for that whole group – even if there are no others just yet. So many people do just their own straight line back to the ‘founder’ in North America – but the brothers and sisters if you know them from an old book like this will be invaluable to others trying to take advantage of this digital age. Regards to all, Ruthanne Page

John Leroy Page, b. 22 Sep. 1930 at Galesburg, Knox Co., IL. He m. Betty Jean Herington (nee Slycord) on 30 May 1954 and they had three children but only one son: Stephen Charles Page, b. 18 Jan. 1955 at Davenport, Scott Co., Iowa. He graduated from Bettendorf High School in May 1973. He attended the Univ. of Iowa and graduated in May 1982. John Leroy Page had younger brothers who had sons who should still be living: Robert Dale Page, b. 5 Mar. 1934 at Galesburg, Knox Co., IL. He attended the College of Civil Engineering at Bradley Univ. in Peroria, IL and graduated in June 1956. He m. Betty Lou Swegle in Dec. 1954. They had: Robert Michael Page, b. 22 Sep. 1956 at Peoria. Edwin (Ed) Leroy Page, b. 23 Jan. 1970 at Peoria, IL Lloyd Edwin Page, b. 1 Nov. 1944 at Galesburg, Knox, IL. He earned his masters`degree in Civil Engineering in 1969 from Bradley. In June 1968 he m. Nancy Joyce Griffith. They had children: Scott Louis Page, b. 2 Sep. 1970 in Peroria; John David Page, b. 19 June 1977 at Peoria At 06:38 AM 6/7/2007, you wrote: >George, I don’t have a copy of his book, and >can’t remember how far down in his line the book >went. Do you happen to know if he had any >children? Maybe I could find one of them. > >I’m thinking that he might not have had any >children, but I’m not 100% confident of my memory….. > >Brenda > >From: George W. Page [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:29 AM >To: Rick LaMont; Brenda Hare >Subject: Re: [PAGE] Seeking male PAIGE descendant of Nathaniel PAIGE > >I talked to the lady at that number who states he no longer lives there. >She got the phone number about two years ago so he has probably passed-on. > >GWP >_________ >At 06:56 PM 6/6/2007, Rick LaMont wrote: > >[Note: replying privately to Brenda and George] > >Brenda Hare wrote: > > I had the pleasure of meeting Leroy Page some number of years ago when he > > came to our home. I will see if I can find him in today's world. We > > haven't touched base for quite a few years now. > >It might help to know that his full name is John Leroy Page, born Sep 1930. >Try this contact info from 2004: > > 411 Bedi Ave > Galesburg, IL 61401 > (309) 341-4366 > >I don't know Leroy, just possess some computer skills for tracking down >the living (and Leroy does appear to still be with us). > >Good luck, > >Rick LaMont

Hi all. Found the below in the Revolutionary War pension file of George Baylor, who had married Lucy PAGE, the daughter of Mann PAGE the elder, of Mannsfield near Fredricksburg, VA. Thought this might be helpful to some. George was from Caroline Co., VA. Served as Colonel of the 3rd Regiment of Continental Dragoons. He was wounded in an engagement in New Jersey, which caused his death Nov. 19, 1784 on the island of Bermuda where he had gone for his health. He married Lucy PAGE 30 May 1778 in Spotsylvania Co., VA. Lucy married second, Nathaniel BURWELL of James City Co., VA, who died 3 Mar. 1814. In 1837, Robert PAGE, aged seventy-two years, resided in Clarke Co., VA; he was a nephew of Mann PAGE, the elder, of Mansfield, and a brother of Mann PAGE who resided in 1778 at "North End", Gloucester Co., VA. Said Robert PAGE stated that John PAGE of "Rosewell", who was later Governor of Virginia, was a "brother of the half blood" of Mrs. Baylor, later Mrs. Burwell. At that time, one Maria PAGE stated that she had known said Mrs. Bayler in 1784. In 1837, Nathaniel BURWELL was Justice of the Peace in Clarke Co., VA, before whom John PAGE Sr., also made affidavit; the relationship of the three last named to the family is not shown. Rex W. Bertram 132 S. Butler St. Redkey, IN 47373 www.digginbones.com

Does anyone know the family background of, or more about, Henry Lee Page, deceased? During WWII he commanded a destroyer escort vessel, USS Tabberer, with Adm. Halsey's fleet that was hit by Typhoon Cobra in Dec. 1944. Almost 900 American sailors were washed overboard from several ships, some of which were sunk in the storm. Of the 900 who went overboard, only 93 were rescued; and 55 were rescued by this valiant skipper and crew of the "Tabby." After the storm subsided, Cdr. Page disobeyed orders to rendezvous with the rest of the fleet, which had been scattered and continued to pick sailors out of the still storm-tossed seas. At considerable risk to their own lives, as the Tabby had been crippled by the storm. Instead of being court-martialed, he was awarded the Navy's Legion of Merit for his life-saving efforts. After the storm when Halsey was informed of PAGE's heroics and informed that Page was a 29 year old reservist, Halsey said "How can the enemy ever defeat a country that can pull boys like that out of the hat?" An effort is underway to posthumously award Henry Lee Page the Medal of Honor for his bravery, leadership, and seamanship during the rescue. [Source: "The Washington Times" book review by Larry Thornberry of Bob Drury and Tom Clavin, "Halsey's Typhoon: The True Story of a Fighting Admiral, an Epic Storm, and an Untold Rescue" (Atlantic Monthly Press).]

George, be nice! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of George W. Page Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAGE] Which Charles Nash Page Dah! Does your message have something to do with my message you answered, or any of the others with this thread? Please share with us how what you wrote ties into the line of John & Phoebe (Paine) Page who arrived in New England in 1630, over two hundred years before the first date you mention (1850). Are you using an old Apple Computer without uppercase letters? ____________ At 02:11 PM 5/31/2007, carla page <[email protected]> wrote: >i can predate some of this same family being in albemarle >county,virginia as far back as 1850.according to what i,ve been told >this family is buried in the "turkey hill"cemetery with real nice >headstones.i was told that by samuel page of north >garden,virginia.he says he has seen the headstones.my >gggggrandparents edweard page&elizabeth betsy ware wood are buried >in a small cemetery near batesville,virginia,called "churchhill >farm"there were atleast three to four PAGE families living in and >around the same area not related to each other.alot of them now >lives in charlottesville.my page family still lives in >batesville.they run a store there called the "PAGE STORE" there were >atleast three to four PAGE families living in goochland,virginia >that were not related to each other. > >"George W. Page" <[email protected]> wrote: Steve: >In reviewing C.N. Page's Chart No. 2 of the descendants of John & >Phoebe (Paine) Page I can trace your line down only to Jonathan, b. >Jan 5, 1710. >C.N. Page only shows descendants for his brothers: Samuel; Joseph; >and Nathaniel. > >Please share with us more specifics about your Jonathan Page and his >family and descendants. >The sources you used would also be appreciated. > >You should contact me directly about our PAGE Y-DNA Project. >We have firmly established the 'fingerprint markers' of your line of PAGEs. >Your test results would confirm and prove that you share a common >male PAGE ancestor with the immigrant John Page. >You may also have some changes in your marker values that could be >unique to your branch of their descendants. > >GWP >___________ > >At 12:40 PM 5/31/2007, Steven Page wrote: > > >Ruthanne, who was the Rev. war veteran that C. N. Page researched in > >his book? I'm in the line of John and Phoebe, and I missed > >it. Also, I've lost my copy of the CNP book. I wonder if he's in > >my line (John-John-Samuel-Jonathan-Joshua-Joshua-Samuel-Aaron . . . . .) > > > > Thanks for the info. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

George, Thanks, I hope I haven't confused things too much by asking a question that was, in retrospect, pretty stupid. Let me simplfy it. If I had read all of Ruthanne's posts I would already have my answer. I don't think any of my direct Page ancestors fought in the revolutionary war - it's okay, I have three others. I am a member of your YDNA group. I have matches with others that put me in the John and Phoebe line. I have documents from Joshua 1 to the present. Other sources cover John to Jonathan. You directed me to a will excerpt showing a bequest from Jonathan to son Joshua and later Sheila Hoffman kindly sent me PDFs of Lunenberg records extracted from "records of the town of Lynn : together with the division and names of the original proprietors of land at Nahant, and reports thereon. Lynn: W.W. Kellogg, printer, 1856, 387 pgs" These list Joshua as son of Jonathan. The age and location correspond to the data from other sources. Your references and the DNA test were the critical information for making a breakthrough that had stumped us for more than a decade. Thanks very much. As to the question about Rev. War Service: shortly after I sent it I realized it was pointless to ask. The only ancestor of the right age in the 1770s was Joshua 1, who was in Cornish Mills NH raising a family. I have found no record of any service of his unless he is the "Joss Page" from NH that shows up in searches of veterans, however, I doubt it. Thanks, again George. I appreciate your help. Steven Page "George W. Page" <[email protected]> wrote: Steve: In reviewing C.N. Page's Chart No. 2 of the descendants of John & Phoebe (Paine) Page I can trace your line down only to Jonathan, b. Jan 5, 1710. C.N. Page only shows descendants for his brothers: Samuel; Joseph; and Nathaniel. Please share with us more specifics about your Jonathan Page and his family and descendants. The sources you used would also be appreciated. You should contact me directly about our PAGE Y-DNA Project. We have firmly established the 'fingerprint markers' of your line of PAGEs. Your test results would confirm and prove that you share a common male PAGE ancestor with the immigrant John Page. You may also have some changes in your marker values that could be unique to your branch of their descendants. GWP ___________ At 12:40 PM 5/31/2007, Steven Page wrote: >Ruthanne, who was the Rev. war veteran that C. N. Page researched in >his book? I'm in the line of John and Phoebe, and I missed >it. Also, I've lost my copy of the CNP book. I wonder if he's in >my line (John-John-Samuel-Jonathan-Joshua-Joshua-Samuel-Aaron . . . . .) > > Thanks for the info. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

i can predate some of this same family being in albemarle county,virginia as far back as 1850.according to what i,ve been told this family is buried in the "turkey hill"cemetery with real nice headstones.i was told that by samuel page of north garden,virginia.he says he has seen the headstones.my gggggrandparents edweard page&elizabeth betsy ware wood are buried in a small cemetery near batesville,virginia,called "churchhill farm"there were atleast three to four PAGE families living in and around the same area not related to each other.alot of them now lives in charlottesville.my page family still lives in batesville.they run a store there called the "PAGE STORE" there were atleast three to four PAGE families living in goochland,virginia that were not related to each other. "George W. Page" <[email protected]> wrote: Steve: In reviewing C.N. Page's Chart No. 2 of the descendants of John & Phoebe (Paine) Page I can trace your line down only to Jonathan, b. Jan 5, 1710. C.N. Page only shows descendants for his brothers: Samuel; Joseph; and Nathaniel. Please share with us more specifics about your Jonathan Page and his family and descendants. The sources you used would also be appreciated. You should contact me directly about our PAGE Y-DNA Project. We have firmly established the 'fingerprint markers' of your line of PAGEs. Your test results would confirm and prove that you share a common male PAGE ancestor with the immigrant John Page. You may also have some changes in your marker values that could be unique to your branch of their descendants. GWP ___________ At 12:40 PM 5/31/2007, Steven Page wrote: >Ruthanne, who was the Rev. war veteran that C. N. Page researched in >his book? I'm in the line of John and Phoebe, and I missed >it. Also, I've lost my copy of the CNP book. I wonder if he's in >my line (John-John-Samuel-Jonathan-Joshua-Joshua-Samuel-Aaron . . . . .) > > Thanks for the info. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

Ruthanne, who was the Rev. war veteran that C. N. Page researched in his book? I'm in the line of John and Phoebe, and I missed it. Also, I've lost my copy of the CNP book. I wonder if he's in my line (John-John-Samuel-Jonathan-Joshua-Joshua-Samuel-Aaron . . . . .) Thanks for the info.

Dah! Does your message have something to do with my message you answered, or any of the others with this thread? Please share with us how what you wrote ties into the line of John & Phoebe (Paine) Page who arrived in New England in 1630, over two hundred years before the first date you mention (1850). Are you using an old Apple Computer without uppercase letters? ____________ At 02:11 PM 5/31/2007, carla page <[email protected]> wrote: >i can predate some of this same family being in albemarle >county,virginia as far back as 1850.according to what i,ve been told >this family is buried in the "turkey hill"cemetery with real nice >headstones.i was told that by samuel page of north >garden,virginia.he says he has seen the headstones.my >gggggrandparents edweard page&elizabeth betsy ware wood are buried >in a small cemetery near batesville,virginia,called "churchhill >farm"there were atleast three to four PAGE families living in and >around the same area not related to each other.alot of them now >lives in charlottesville.my page family still lives in >batesville.they run a store there called the "PAGE STORE" there were >atleast three to four PAGE families living in goochland,virginia >that were not related to each other. > >"George W. Page" <[email protected]> wrote: Steve: >In reviewing C.N. Page's Chart No. 2 of the descendants of John & >Phoebe (Paine) Page I can trace your line down only to Jonathan, b. >Jan 5, 1710. >C.N. Page only shows descendants for his brothers: Samuel; Joseph; >and Nathaniel. > >Please share with us more specifics about your Jonathan Page and his >family and descendants. >The sources you used would also be appreciated. > >You should contact me directly about our PAGE Y-DNA Project. >We have firmly established the 'fingerprint markers' of your line of PAGEs. >Your test results would confirm and prove that you share a common >male PAGE ancestor with the immigrant John Page. >You may also have some changes in your marker values that could be >unique to your branch of their descendants. > >GWP >___________ > >At 12:40 PM 5/31/2007, Steven Page wrote: > > >Ruthanne, who was the Rev. war veteran that C. N. Page researched in > >his book? I'm in the line of John and Phoebe, and I missed > >it. Also, I've lost my copy of the CNP book. I wonder if he's in > >my line (John-John-Samuel-Jonathan-Joshua-Joshua-Samuel-Aaron . . . . .) > > > > Thanks for the info.

Steve: In reviewing C.N. Page's Chart No. 2 of the descendants of John & Phoebe (Paine) Page I can trace your line down only to Jonathan, b. Jan 5, 1710. C.N. Page only shows descendants for his brothers: Samuel; Joseph; and Nathaniel. Please share with us more specifics about your Jonathan Page and his family and descendants. The sources you used would also be appreciated. You should contact me directly about our PAGE Y-DNA Project. We have firmly established the 'fingerprint markers' of your line of PAGEs. Your test results would confirm and prove that you share a common male PAGE ancestor with the immigrant John Page. You may also have some changes in your marker values that could be unique to your branch of their descendants. GWP ___________ At 12:40 PM 5/31/2007, Steven Page <[email protected]> wrote: >Ruthanne, who was the Rev. war veteran that C. N. Page researched in >his book? I'm in the line of John and Phoebe, and I missed >it. Also, I've lost my copy of the CNP book. I wonder if he's in >my line (John-John-Samuel-Jonathan-Joshua-Joshua-Samuel-Aaron . . . . .) > > Thanks for the info. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There were a series of medical doctors in this line of PAIGEs. Dr. Joel Simonds5 PAIGE (son of Moses4, Timothy3, Christopher2, Nathaniel1 Paige), b. Jan. 20, 1793 at Hardwick, MA - d. at Alexander, Genesee Co., NY on July 10, 1855, age 63. Dr. Paige m. Jane S. FAIRCHILD of Troy, NY on July 1, 1816. She died on Dec. 24, 1829 and he m.(2) Ann Eliza LIMBRICK of Owego, Tioga Co., NY. From 1816 - 1850 they lived in Owego, NY, where PAIGE Street still bears his name. One of his daughters, Lucy Aiken Paige, b. Aug. 30, 1842, m. Elizah Ransom Page in Alexander, Genesee Co., NY on Aug. 10, 1864. Dr. Paige had a son, Thomas Limbrick Paige, b. Mar 31, 1834 - d. Dec. 10, 1867, who m. moved to Lowville, Lewis Co., NY; but returned to Owego in 1862 and on June 4 of that year m. Miss Alzoa N. WILBUR, of that town. He was survived by a son Dr. Harry Worthington Paige, b. in Owego, NY on Mar 13, 1864. Dr. Harry Worthington Paige was married twice; first on Nov. 18, 1891 to Miss Hanna Cornelia BURSON, of Clayton, NJ, who died a year later leaving one son, MONTFORD SCHLEY PAIGE who was b. in New York City on Sep. 18, 1892. [Source: Elijah Ransom Page, "The Record of the Paige Family" (Canandaigua, NY: Ontarion County Journal Book Print, 1904)] Can anyone identify with any of these PAIGEs? At 09:11 AM 5/25/2007, I wrote: >I am still trying to make contact with a confirmed male PAIGE descendant of >Nathaniel & Joanna Paige who were a Colonial Mass. Family. >He immigrated with his family to New England in 1675 or 1685. >He apparently added the 'i' to his name when they arrived. > >They lived in Hardwick, Worcester, Mass. >He d. in Boston on 12 April 1692 and his wife Joanna d. early in 1724. >Their descendants lived in Bedford, Mass., and many were military >leaders including a Coronet, Captains, and Colonels. >[Source: "PAGE-EKSTROM Genealogy ..." compiled and written by John >Leroy Page (Battendorf, Iowa: author, 1985)] >The author's last known address was >3023 Magnolia Drive >Bettendorf, Iowa 52722 >(319)355-3233 [No longer a working number] > >IF you can trace your paternal ancestry back to him and can help me >locate a living male PAGE/PAIGE from this line, please contact me. > >George W. Page >PAGE Surname Y-DNA Project

I have responded to the DNA and Haplogroup issues in the message below at the breaks. GWP ______ At 06:31 PM 5/29/2007, Ruthanne Page wrote: >Dear Carla and other PAGE Listers: >I think we are talking about two different Charles Nash Page men here. >I am certainly intrigued by you burial reference for one in the Turkey >Hill Cemetery. I probably have a lot of ancestors there. It sounds >like the man you mention could be from the group roughly called ‘The >Pages of Virginia’ ­ which may not be related to ‘mine’. But let’s >discuss this a bit more. > >The author Charles Nash Page (1860-1951)wrote about a lot of descendants >of John Page & Phebe Paine one of the big founding Page families of >North America. He self published a book in 1915 from Des Moines, Iowa >before he moved to San Diego called History & Genealogy of the Page >Family from 1257 to 1911. Everybody in that book who is related to him >(there are others mentioned too) fits into the modern DNA group roughly >called Family Group E or I think might be called the ‘Haplo Group E’ in >our fearless leaders technical talk. (Is that right George?) We are >so lucky to have George as our ‘guide’ through this DNA stuff. Not quite correct! Haplogroup is a term used to describe mutations of humans from Africa (Haplogroup A) into the Middle East and from there to Europe and Asia over thousands of years. Haplogroups are clusters of Haplotypes (expressed as exact or near exact 12 or 25 marker matches) that are in a tight proximity to each other. Expressed another way Haplotypes are subsets of a Haplogroup. Think of the Haplotypes as the leaves of a tree, and the Haplogroups as the limbs of a tree…in fact the Haplogroups are the limbs of the tree of Homo Sapien-Sapien­our unique branch of humanity. The Haplogroups have been crafted into what is called a Philogenetic network, and the male version can be seen here: <http://www.familytreedna.com/haplotree.html>http://www.familytreedna.com/haplotree.html. Please note that people in different Haplogroups cannot be related within many thousands of years, and that each male test result provides a prediction of the Haplogroup currently about 90% of the time. In general the following rule of thumb may be used: Haplogroup Designation R1b Western Europe R1a Eastern Europe I Nordic J2 Semitic E3b Semitic Q3 Native American 'Page Family Lines' is a term I coined to define sets of male PAGEs who share a common male PAGE ancestor within recorded time (i.e. the last few hundred years). Many of these in the group share a common ancestor with a known immigrant ancestor and may in fact descend from him. They could however descend from his brother, cousin or uncle IF he had such relatives who had descendants. So far each of the males PAGEs tested in my various Family Lines contain one of three Haplogroups: E3b (the oldest in terms of thousands of years from our migration from Africa), R1b, and I. >I think he is the only person trying to do ALL the Page families of North >America AND the genealogy AND the DNA. I am having enough troubles >doing just my own huge family of Pages related to John and Phebe ­ the >founders for my line. Their Grandson was the Guv’n’r Page who was >probably the first resident of Turkey Hills. In old English manners ­ >every man had to be addressed with a title even if he didn’t have one. > ‘Mr.’ and ‘Esq.’ were reserved for the elite and of course the habit >of calling men by their former military title is still used today. In >families where there were numerous Thomas Pages or John Pages, many >people still refer to ‘the old Major’ or ‘the old Colonel’ in a social >and affectionate way because it immediately identifies him from all the >dozen or so grandchildren who are all named Samuel Page or John Page as >well! Many people assume the man called Guv’nr Samuel Page was in fact >a Governor but this was not the case and he is not the same man who was >a Governor of NH later. He was Gov. John Page and many are likely >descended from him now too. There was also a Gov. John Page of Virginia descended from the immigrant Col. John Page who arrived in Jamestown in 1650 and his wife Alice Luckin. That Gov. John Page was a graduate of William & Mary in Williamsburg where he became a close personal friend of Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson was amazed at the brick mansion that John Page lived in that was the PAGE Family Home at Rosewell in Gloucester Co., VA. Jefferson designed his Montecello home after inspirations from viewing that PAGE mansion. The PAGE-NELSON Society was formed by decendants of Col. John Page and/or Gov. Tom Nelson of VA who were intermarried. >Is there a simple explanation why everybody descended from John Page and >Phebe Paine is called Genetic Distance Zero? Even my 8th cousins are >Genetic Distance- Zero. Sigh. Would somebody please write a new book >DNA Explained ­ for Dummies! I don’t really want to understand it all ­ >just the easy stuff! Ha..ha..ha.. A male's Y-DNA, as opposed to a human's complete nuclear DNA or mtDNA, is only the small part of the DNA we are having tested. Y-DNA is passed down from father to sons, father to sons, over hundreds of years; often without mutations/changes which are fairly rare. That makes it very useful to compare to the Y-DNA results of another male with the same surname to see if they match and hence share a common ancestor from whom they inherited their similar markers sometime in the distant past (hundreds of years, not thousands of years). >Thank you for writing Carla. I sure do wonder if the Charles Nash Page >you mentioned was related to the man I am talking about. I assumed his >middle name came from Juliette Nash his mother but there could be >someone else in that family with the exact same name for some other >reason. I can send anyone his 1951 obituary and a couple of other >newspaper items from the San Diego paper. It states that his burial was >to be in Greenwood Memorial Park there. It also states that he had a >daughter ­ Mrs. Violet Holibaugh of Escondido and >Another daughter Lily Kerchley of San Diego >And 3 sons ­ Charles Page of Los Angeles, George Page of Iowa, and Frank >Page of San Diego. >He was also survived by 8 grandchildren and 11 great grandchildren. > >An earlier write-up on Charles Nash Page that appeared in the San Diego >Union of 10/23/1944 issue states that in 1943 the American Bible College >of Chicago gave CNP an honorary degree of Doctorate of Literature ­ >based on his published books and his remarkable hobby of Bible >collecting which included 120 translations of the Bible. Several of >these rare books dated back to 1599 and 1525. >That earlier news item had a picture and stated that he had 6 children >at that time including: >Charles Page of Los Angeles. >Maj. Frank H. Page ­ marine aviation >George Page of Oskaloosa, Iowa >Mrs. Grace Hallibaugh of Imperial >Mrs. Lilly Kerchley of San Diego >At that time CNP had 9 grandchildren and four great grandchildren. >If only we could contact some of these descendants now! >I was a beginning genealogist 20 years ago and failed miserably at >finding any of those children. In a brilliant flash of sleuthing I >thought that perhaps old CNP had left his collection of Bible >translations to the religious college that gave him a Doctorate. I even >happened to go through Chicago one day several years later and phoned >every religious college in the phone book. All the names were different >but I hoped they might be related or connected to the old ‘American >Bible College’ of 1943 in that city. Unfortunately nobody I talked to >had even heard of it. I have quit looking for the research of Charles >Nash Page and wonder if anybody in that line is active on this group. >The tendency for anyone even distantly related is of course to dismiss >the subject and say ‘grandpa already did all the genealogy…so I don’t >have to do that anymore…etc.’ While this may be fine for current >Americans it is certainly frustrating for all his early Canadian >relatives and their descendants. I am still meeting Canadians who >remember how mad their grandmothers were after meeting CNP on his 1910 >fact finding trip to Toronto and Niagara etc. They told him everything >they knew about the wild and exciting history particularly between the >Revolution and the War of 1812, and he DID NOT put it in his new PAGE >Genealogy book. I think he wrote the book so people could join DAR and >SAR based on some of the military record of his (and my) ancestors in >the Revolution. It’s just amazing how many people used his book as the >reference for their own DAR applications AFTER he wrote the book though. >(I have all of them for Elijah and Thomas) I thought for a while it >might be possible to join the UEL Association on the same man he used >too but that is another story. > >Could you tell us about the man Charles Nash Page who is buried in >Turkey Hills Cemetery Carla? I presume this is the same Turkey hills >area that Guv’nr Samuel Page once inhabited. What are the dates on that >tombstone? >Best wishes to all, >Ruthanne Page > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to [email protected] with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Carla and other PAGE Listers: I think we are talking about two different Charles Nash Page men here. I am certainly intrigued by you burial reference for one in the Turkey Hill Cemetery. I probably have a lot of ancestors there. It sounds like the man you mention could be from the group roughly called ‘The Pages of Virginia’ – which may not be related to ‘mine’. But let’s discuss this a bit more. The author Charles Nash Page (1860-1951)wrote about a lot of descendants of John Page & Phebe Paine one of the big founding Page families of North America. He self published a book in 1915 from Des Moines, Iowa before he moved to San Diego called History & Genealogy of the Page Family from 1257 to 1911. Everybody in that book who is related to him (there are others mentioned too) fits into the modern DNA group roughly called Family Group E or I think might be called the ‘Haplo Group E’ in our fearless leaders technical talk. (Is that right George?) We are so lucky to have George as our ‘guide’ through this DNA stuff. I think he is the only person trying to do ALL the Page families of North America AND the genealogy AND the DNA. I am having enough troubles doing just my own huge family of Pages related to John and Phebe – the founders for my line. Their Grandson was the Guv’n’r Page who was probably the first resident of Turkey Hills. In old English manners – every man had to be addressed with a title even if he didn’t have one. ‘Mr.’ and ‘Esq.’ were reserved for the elite and of course the habit of calling men by their former military title is still used today. In families where there were numerous Thomas Pages or John Pages, many people still refer to ‘the old Major’ or ‘the old Colonel’ in a social and affectionate way because it immediately identifies him from all the dozen or so grandchildren who are all named Samuel Page or John Page as well! Many people assume the man called Guv’nr Samuel Page was in fact a Governor but this was not the case and he is not the same man who was a Governor of NH later. He was Gov. John Page and many are likely descended from him now too. Is there a simple explanation why everybody descended from John Page and Phebe Paine is called Genetic Distance Zero? Even my 8th cousins are Genetic Distance- Zero. Sigh. Would somebody please write a new book DNA Explained – for Dummies! I don’t really want to understand it all – just the easy stuff! Ha..ha..ha.. Thank you for writing Carla. I sure do wonder if the Charles Nash Page you mentioned was related to the man I am talking about. I assumed his middle name came from Juliette Nash his mother but there could be someone else in that family with the exact same name for some other reason. I can send anyone his 1951 obituary and a couple of other newspaper items from the San Diego paper. It states that his burial was to be in Greenwood Memorial Park there. It also states that he had a daughter – Mrs. Violet Holibaugh of Escondido and Another daughter Lily Kerchley of San Diego And 3 sons – Charles Page of Los Angeles, George Page of Iowa, and Frank Page of San Diego. He was also survived by 8 grandchildren and 11 great grandchildren. An earlier write-up on Charles Nash Page that appeared in the San Diego Union of 10/23/1944 issue states that in 1943 the American Bible College of Chicago gave CNP an honorary degree of Doctorate of Literature – based on his published books and his remarkable hobby of Bible collecting which included 120 translations of the Bible. Several of these rare books dated back to 1599 and 1525. That earlier news item had a picture and stated that he had 6 children at that time including: Charles Page of Los Angeles. Maj. Frank H. Page – marine aviation George Page of Oskaloosa, Iowa Mrs. Grace Hallibaugh of Imperial Mrs. Lilly Kerchley of San Diego At that time CNP had 9 grandchildren and four great grandchildren. If only we could contact some of these descendants now! I was a beginning genealogist 20 years ago and failed miserably at finding any of those children. In a brilliant flash of sleuthing I thought that perhaps old CNP had left his collection of Bible translations to the religious college that gave him a Doctorate. I even happened to go through Chicago one day several years later and phoned every religious college in the phone book. All the names were different but I hoped they might be related or connected to the old ‘American Bible College’ of 1943 in that city. Unfortunately nobody I talked to had even heard of it. I have quit looking for the research of Charles Nash Page and wonder if anybody in that line is active on this group. The tendency for anyone even distantly related is of course to dismiss the subject and say ‘grandpa already did all the genealogy…so I don’t have to do that anymore…etc.’ While this may be fine for current Americans it is certainly frustrating for all his early Canadian relatives and their descendants. I am still meeting Canadians who remember how mad their grandmothers were after meeting CNP on his 1910 fact finding trip to Toronto and Niagara etc. They told him everything they knew about the wild and exciting history particularly between the Revolution and the War of 1812, and he DID NOT put it in his new PAGE Genealogy book. I think he wrote the book so people could join DAR and SAR based on some of the military record of his (and my) ancestors in the Revolution. It’s just amazing how many people used his book as the reference for their own DAR applications AFTER he wrote the book though. (I have all of them for Elijah and Thomas) I thought for a while it might be possible to join the UEL Association on the same man he used too but that is another story. Could you tell us about the man Charles Nash Page who is buried in Turkey Hills Cemetery Carla? I presume this is the same Turkey hills area that Guv’nr Samuel Page once inhabited. What are the dates on that tombstone? Best wishes to all, Ruthanne Page

In a message dated 5/27/07 9:22:05 AM, [email protected] writes: > charles nash page somehow wound up in albemarle county,virginia,he and the > thomas walker page family are all buried in the turkey hill cemetery.the > cemetery is behind a yellow house that sits up on a hill,you can see it from > route 29.my PAGE family are buried in a small cemetery called "CHURCHHILL FARM > HOUSE" near batesville,virginia.from what i,ve heard the stones in the turkey > hill cemetery are real nice stones.i hope to go to virginia again in the fall > when it is off season when motel rates are cheaper.                 kind > regards,carla jean page >                                      descendent of john page&hannah of > orange co.va. > Hi Carla I'm curious as to which John Page and Hannah of Orange Co., VA. you are referring to. My direct line is John Page and 1st wife, Elizabeth unknown. His 2nd wife was Elizabeth Middlebrook married 1777 Orange Co., VA Linda ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Looking for information about Minnie E. Page. She was born about 1876 in Big Piney, Pulaski County, Missouri, the daughter of Hosea Marion Page and Sarah Angelina Sneed. I need spouses for her and her brother James M. Page(abt 1874-75). Have spouses and children for their siblings. Thanks. [email protected]