Hello, My grandfather, Blinn Stevens Page and his siblings (William, George Reuben, Pauline Stevens and Lowell Briggs) were all born in Pittsburgh, Allegheny Co., PA between 1889 and 1904. Their parents are George Stevens Page (b. 1864, Eagleswood, NJ; d. 1941, Pittsburgh) and Delilla Blinn Horn (b. Weatherly, PA, 1865; d. Pittsburgh, 1956). Blinn's first wife (my grandmother) was Minnie Carlotta Splane, (b. 1891, Oil City, Venango Co., PA; d. 1926, Oil City). I'd love to find other people researching this family. Barbara Senden In a message dated 4/19/00 4:14:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time, howland@110.net writes: > Is there anyone out there researching PAGES in Pennsylvania? I am looking > at my PAGE family between the years 1820 and 1890, specifically in Warren > County,Venango County and McKean County. Some of the given names I have > connected with are: Joseph L.(who married Debra) Thomas P.(who married > Elizabeth Pilling) Richard P.(who married Mary Edick) William, James, Arti, > Frank. I have many other names, particularly from Warren County, which I > think might be realted, but can not connect yet. I have unrelated PAGE > census transcriptions which I would love to share with others who are > researching the PAGE name in this part of the country. > > Susan Page Howland >

I am researching the PAGE family in FAYETTE COUNTY, PA. My ancestor Joseph Page Sr moved from Monmouht Co, NJ to Connellsville, Fayette County, PA in 1800. He had at least 7 children: Timothy, Jonathan, William, John, Joseph Jr., Samuel and Hannah. Most of the children's descendants appear to have moved to Ohio, Illinois and Indiana. My surnames are posted on my web page at the top under surnames. http://pages.prodigy.net/mapage/homepage/index.htm Mathew Page mapage@prodigy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: The Howlands <howland@110.net> To: <PAGE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: [PAGE] Pennsylvania PAGES > Is there anyone out there researching PAGES in Pennsylvania? I am looking > at my PAGE family between the years 1820 and 1890, specifically in Warren > County,Venango County and McKean County. Some of the given names I have > connected with are: Joseph L.(who married Debra) Thomas P.(who married > Elizabeth Pilling) Richard P.(who married Mary Edick) William, James, Arti, > Frank. I have many other names, particularly from Warren County, which I > think might be realted, but can not connect yet. I have unrelated PAGE > census transcriptions which I would love to share with others who are > researching the PAGE name in this part of the country. > > Susan Page Howland > > > ==== PAGE Mailing List ==== > PAGE list website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/PAGE.htm >

Is there anyone out there researching PAGES in Pennsylvania? I am looking at my PAGE family between the years 1820 and 1890, specifically in Warren County,Venango County and McKean County. Some of the given names I have connected with are: Joseph L.(who married Debra) Thomas P.(who married Elizabeth Pilling) Richard P.(who married Mary Edick) William, James, Arti, Frank. I have many other names, particularly from Warren County, which I think might be realted, but can not connect yet. I have unrelated PAGE census transcriptions which I would love to share with others who are researching the PAGE name in this part of the country. Susan Page Howland

In a message dated 4/18/2000 6:48:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, FPage34157@aol.com writes: << Hello, I have been searching for the location in England that Jeremiah Page, [born 1736, died 1814 in Columbus ,New York] was born. It is believed he came to America about 1751 and settled in New London,Ct prior to going to NY. He was in the American Rev. War,a sea Captain and farmer. He was married to Polly Ames. Maybe someone in doing their research has come across some information on him, anything would help. Thank you, Fred >> Do you have any info on his descendants? I have a Jeremiah Page born in 1857. Was told that is an unusual name for a French Page. Jeremiah's parents came from French Quebec and were Frank Page and Sophia Parya. Beverly

Hello, I have been searching for the location in England that Jeremiah Page, [born 1736, died 1814 in Columbus ,New York] was born. It is believed he came to America about 1751 and settled in New London,Ct prior to going to NY. He was in the American Rev. War,a sea Captain and farmer. He was married to Polly Ames. Maybe someone in doing their research has come across some information on him, anything would help. Thank you, Fred

I, too, am a descendant of Deacon Robert Page of Ormsby. Stan Page

Hello Everybody I'm new to the list, so this is to post my particular interest. My Grandfather, William was born just outside Dublin in Monkstown in 1879, next door to Kingstown (now Dun Laoghaire). He left Ireland at the age of 16 to join the Royal Navy at Portland in Dorset, England. This is how he met my Grandmother. Sadly, William died of TB when Dad was toddler. My chief interest at the moment is my Great Grandfather Robert (b1848), who was a fishing skipper in Kingstown. I am trying to find out how/when he died. Rumour has it that he was lost at sea but in spite of learning a great deal about his life and the vessels he sailed on, I cannot be certain of his death. Robert married a young widow, Ellen Phillips (originally Brady) in Dublin during October 1869. Robert's father was David, a mason, but that is all I know. I think that is enough to set the scene and for, hopefully, anyone to recognise if we have anything in common. The Page name is not common in Ireland, possibly less than 60 families at the time of Griffiths Valuation, and naturally I have wondered how it got there. One of Cromwell's men I fear, but that's another puzzle! Hope this is of interest, Trevor Page. bradypage@supanet.com

George I am a descendant of both John PAGE of Hing ham/Haverhill,MA and of Deacon Robert PAGE of Ormsby St.Margaret,Norfolk,England and Hampton Rockingham Co,NH Brian C.Page At 07:03 PM 4/12/00 -0400, George W. Page wrote: >Are there any male Pages from any of the established immigrant Page lines >who are list members, besides me? > >Do any of you know male Pages from these lines who are not members of the >Page list, such as brothers, cousins, fathers or uncles? > >George W. Page >(Branford Conn. line of George Page) > > >==== PAGE Mailing List ==== >PAGE list website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/PAGE.htm > > >

Are there any male Pages from any of the established immigrant Page lines who are list members, besides me? Do any of you know male Pages from these lines who are not members of the Page list, such as brothers, cousins, fathers or uncles? George W. Page (Branford Conn. line of George Page)

See the item re DNA testing. I've long had a hunch that a large percentage of all Pages in America having Page roots in England are PROBABLY related, e.g those from Middlesex, Suffolk, Norfolk, etc. Besides Coln John Page in VA from Middlesex there were a great many of those convicts etc. who were transported to VA from Middlesex having the surname Page. The William of early Watertown, MA probably had Norfolk roots, as well as Susanna Page who md Thomas Gleason. The proximity of Norfolk to Suffolk suggests some common roots of the Pages in those locations. This doesn't in any way negate proceeding with the DNA experiment. It merely warns there might be some surprising results, similar to what Sykes discovered about the Sykes surname. >Date: 9 Apr 2000 22:21:12 -0000 >To: List Member <dpage@ipa.net> >Mailing-List: ListBot mailing list contact rootscomputing-help@listbot.com >From: "Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter" <newsletter@rootscomputing.com> >Delivered-To: mailing list rootscomputing@listbot.com >Subject: Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter > > - http://www.rootscomputing.com > >Do not reply to this message. For contact information, please see >the bottom of this newsletter. > > ========================================================== > > Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter > > A Weekly Summary of Events and > Topics of Interest to Online Genealogists > > Vol. 5 No. 15 - April 8, 2000 > > This newsletter is sponsored by Ancestry.com, > a leader in providing print and electronic > research information to genealogists. > > To learn about Ancestry.com's > state-of-the-art online genealogy databases > and other fine products, > visit the company's three Internet properties, > MyFamily.com, Ancestry.com, and FamilyHistory.com > > Past issues of this Newsletter > are available at: > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/columns/eastman.htm > > ========================================================== > >Copyright (C) 2000 by Richard W. Eastman. All rights reserved. > >If you do contact any of the companies or societies mentioned in >this newsletter, please tell them that you read about their >services in this newsletter. > >============================================================== > >IN THIS ISSUE: > >- Using Genetics to Trace Your Family Tree >- Society of Genealogists' Data to be Online >- GENUKI Book >- The Best Genealogy Program? >- Legacy 3.0 >- Jewish Genealogy Month Online >- Safety of Online Credit Card Transactions >- Home Pages Highlighted > >============================================================== > > - Using Genetics to Trace Your Family Tree > >Several wire services carried a story this week that could lead to >the most dramatic change in genealogy techniques we have ever >seen. A genetics professor at Oxford says that he can now prove >whether or not people with the last name indeed are members of the >same family. > >Brian Sykes, an expert in genetics at Britain's Oxford University, >said Tuesday he had checked the DNA of dozens of men named Sykes >and found, to his surprise, that they all seem to have descended >from the same ancestor. > >Examining men with the same surname as his own, Sykes used a >technique known as genetic fingerprinting to examine the men's Y >chromosome, which is handed down with very little change from >father to son. "I wrote 250 men, a random sample, with the same >surname, and I wrote to Sykeses because I felt confident >approaching people with the same name as mine," Sykes said in a >telephone interview. > >He tracked the men down in three English counties known to have >many people with the Sykes name -- York, Cheshire and Lancashire. >He sent them home DNA kits that included a brush to take a few >cells from the inside of the mouth. "I got 61 returns of DNA on >little brushes, and of those, half had a Y chromosome >microsatellite fingerprint which showed they had exactly the same >Y chromosome," Sykes said. > >Microsatellites are little repeated sequences of the four >nucleotides -- A, C, T and G -- that seem to carry no important >genetic instructions but which can be used as "fingerprints" to >identify genes. > >Sykes, who reported his findings in the American Journal of Human >Genetics, said he was surprised to find the same fingerprint in so >many different men who had no idea they were related. "The only >explanation is all Sykeses had come from a single male who first >inherited that name," he said. "We reckon from the court records >the name first appears in West Yorkshire in just about 1300." >Prior to this study, Sykes had always assumed that various >families in different parts of England had adopted the common name >of Sykes centuries ago. > >Before 1300, most English peasants went by just one name or had >names they did not pass on to their children. "Surnames became >inherited because it was a time you were able to transfer the >tenancy of your land to your children," Sykes said. He had not >expected such a pedigree for his name, in particular, which seems >to have had few noble associations. "Sykeses were all peasants and >vagabonds," he laughed. "They were always cropping in the court >records as having stolen sheep or burnt woods down." > >There was another eye opener in Sykes' findings. His analysis >shows that the Sykes men were most often the true fathers of their >male offspring, a tribute to their wives' fidelity. "With 50 >percent having the same Y chromosome ... it works out roughly at >about 1 percent per generation for no paternity," Sykes said. >"It's really quite low -- lower than the rates we are accustomed >to these days. It essentially means that 99 percent of Mrs. >Sykeses have been very well-behaved." > >Sykes, whose lab linked a 9,000-year-old skeleton known as >"Cheddar Man" to an Englishman living nearby in 1997, said the >applications of this latest work will be most valuable to people >tracing family histories. "It is astounding news for >genealogists," he said. Noting that written records are rare >before 1700, he said it would be a good way for people to track >their ancestry. > >Sykes has patented the test for an association between a surname >and the Y chromosome, and, with the university, started up a >company to perform the tests. "We are probably going to call it >Oxford Ancestors," he said. > >============================================================== > -- snip -- > >DISCLAIMER: This newsletter is being written and sent via e-mail >at no charge. I expect to write one new issue on a more or less >weekly basis. However, life sometimes interferes, and the need to >earn a living may create an occasional delay. > >========================================================== > >COPYRIGHTS: The contents of this newsletter are copyright by >Richard W. Eastman. You are hereby granted rights, unless >otherwise specified, to re-distribute articles from this >newsletter to other parties provided you do so strictly for non- >commercial purposes. Please limit your re-distribution to one or >two articles per newsletter; do not re-distribute the newsletter >in its entirety. 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Hi there: I'm intrigued by this DNA discussion. There has been some talk about tracing back the Haverhill, CT PAGE line. As you probably know, Haverhill is a small town in the county of Suffolk, ENG. I guess that there were probably some emigrants from Suffolk who established the Haverhill in CT. PAGE is a relatively common name in Suffolk ENG and, up to now, I have traced my line back to the late 1700s to one William PAGE, farmer, of Wingfield, which is a small village in the north east of the county, close to the county line with Norfolk ENG. The question that I'm interested in is whether it is possible to take part in the DNA experiment from this side of the pond or whether you need to have the local lab actually take the sample. Alternatively, is the test a standard test and is it worth me seeing if I can get it done in the UK. If it is a standard test, what's it called so that I can call up some labs here and find out what the cost would be. If the cost variation is too great it would almost be worth flying to the US and getting a few days with my sister, who lives in Jacksonville, FL, as well as having the test done. Michael Page (Peterborough, Cambs, UK)

This whole subject of DNA fingerprinting is new to most family historians, and not easily understood by most people. For more information on DNA Fingerprinting using variable number of tandem repeats (VNTR's), double click on: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/vntr1.html Shown to the right at the top of the chart are the chromosomes of the two parental individuals of the pedigree below them. The first individual (male parent) has one chromosome with 4 repeated sequences and one chromosome with 6 repeated sequences. At the bottom of the figure is a pedigree of the mating between these two individuals and their four resultant children. The DNA of each of the individuals has been analyzed for the VNTR repeat number and the gels are show below each individual along with the genotype for each individual. Notice that each of the six people are distinguishable from each other by the VNTR's at this one genetic locus. Notice also that the male children also have the same 6 repeated sequences of their father. Their sons will also have the same repeated sequences, and so on down the chain of male descendants of the male parent at the top of the chart. I hope this graphic illustration helps to explain what we are proposing by testing 2 or 3 male children from the various immigrant Page lines --- attempting to identify the common VNTRs of the male children in the various Page lines. George W. Page

At 07:12 AM 4/9/2000 -0400, you wrote: >These postings have been most intriguing to me. Question: >1. is there a web site with info? See the web site about the Y-chromosome DNA tests done to establish linkage between Sally Hemings and a member of the Thomas Jefferson family at: http://wsrv.clas.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/jeffhemm.html I am sure their are other websites that discuss DNA testing. I suggest you use the Search engine on your web brouser. >2. who is sponsoring this research? Their are NO financial sponsors of this project! The thought of doing a similar DNA study for the various Page lines is the idea of Patricia Page Wilcox, and I have posted the info on the Page list and am willing to take an active part including being tested as I have proven ancestry back to George Page of Branford, CT. Because of the relatively small cost ($300 each) of the study compared to the advantages of having the baseline data, we hope that other male Pages of these lines will come forward to be tested. >3. why males only? Males are the ones who have the necessary Y-chromosome DNA! Other DNA studies have used the mitochondrial DNA passed only from females to establish identity (e.g. remains of Tsar Nicholas's remains). I suggest you refer to encyclopedias for a much better and more detailed explanation of DNA and how it is used for genetic identification. >4. and JUST WHERE is the dna sample coming from for these old folks? Are >bodies being exhumed? The old folks will have exactly the same Y-chromosome DNA markers as their male descendants, except for minor changes caused by rare mutations; so, No old folks will have to be dug-up to produce the baseline data! Should they be dug-up, any DNA found in their teeth or bones could be tested and the markers established, which would be the same as their male descendants --- for hundreds of years to come. >On the lighter side HG Wells once wrote something to the effect, If I can >imagine something, someone will make it happen. At the same time the >mathematician was saying that if trains went 35 miles an hour, people would >be splashed against the side of the cars. Well, being a Star Treker from >way back, I have often speculated at the amazing possibilities DNA research >had for this great genealogy hobby. What fun to see that somewhere it is >actually being done. Dorothy The remains of Jesse James in Missouri were also recently identified through DNA testing. George W. Page

These postings have been most intriguing to me. Question: 1. is there a web site with info? 2. who is sponsoring this research? 3. why males only? 4. and JUST WHERE is the dna sample coming from for these old folks? Are bodies being exhumed? On the lighter side HG Wells once wrote something to the effect, If I can imagine something, someone will make it happen. At the same time the mathematician was saying that if trains went 35 miles an hour, people would be splashed against the side of the cars. Well, being a Star Treker from way back, I have often speculated at the amazing possibilities DNA research had for this great genealogy hobby. What fun to see that somewhere it is actually being done. Dorothy

At 11:55 AM 4/8/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >If we have the baseline established and you, or any other male Page, had > >your/their DNA tested, it would establish from which of the Page lines you > >are descended. The baseline results could be used way into the future for > >coming generations to also establish their Page line. > > > >The problem we will have is finding MALE Pages who can POSITIVELY establish > >their pedigree back to one of these early Page immigrants. > > > >George W. Page > > >If you only have a handful of Pages to test then being able to positively >establish their pedigree is a bigger concern, BUT wouldn't it be the case >that if you >had a few dozen and the lines were only PROBABLE that there would still be >a very >good shot at establishing DNA baselines because research would be likely >to show >a number of them with very similar DNA, plus a few others who were >exceptions? >In other words, can you make up for a lack of positive genealogy by having a >larger sample of DNA donors? > >Blyden Potts Testing the PROBABLES before the baselines are established of the PROVEN proves nothing except to produce a number of statistical samples of Pages who have similar DNA. Once those with proven pedigrees have been tested, the PROBABLES and UNCERTAINs will be able to prove, or disprove, their ancestrial Page line. Theoretically it should only take ONE DNA sample of a male Page from each PROVEN line to establish the baseline, except for the possibility of an unknown "skeleton in the closet" (adoption, or non Page father) somewhere in the "proven" line. If two within the line are identical, there is no doubt that the baseline for the line has been established. But if only two are tested in a line and they are different, a problem of identifying the correct markers would present itself; and a third person of the proven line should be tested to determine which two of the three is the correct DNA marker. George W. Page

Looking for any information that verifies the existance of my paternal 3xgreat grandmother...SUSAN PAGE. I do not have anything on her other than she was the wife of JOHN HAMILTON and lived in the East New Market, Dorchester County, Maryland area. Birthdate unknown but place in 1830s. Place: East New Market Dorchester County Maryland. Parents/siblings unknown. Mother to three known children: Charles Hamilton, Davis(d?) Hamilton and my ggfather, WILLIAM ANDREW HAMILTON. Any help would be apppreciated! Email me... Alsblugown@aol.com

At 06:57 AM 4/8/2000 -0400, Richard L. Homer wrote: > >X-Sender: rhomer@tombstonepl.lib.az.us > >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) > >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 08:28:04 > >X-PH: V4.4@orb2 > >To: "Patricia P. Wilcox" <wilcox.18@osu.edu>(by way of \"George W. Page\" ><gwpage@erols.com>) > >From: "Richard L. Homer" <rhomer@lib.az.us> > >Subject: Re: [PAGE] Page DNA Study > > > >Why ? > > > >Its not the money > > > >Its just why ? > > > >Richard If we have the baseline established, any male Page could have their DNA tested and determine whether or not they were descended from one of the tested Page ancestor baselines who immigrated to America in the 17th century. It would also establish which of the DNA baseline tested Pages had a common Page ancestor in England. For example, I strong suspect that my George Page of Branford Conn. who came c. 1662 from county Kent was closely related to the Col. John Page who came to Virginia c. 1650 from county Middlesex . If I could prove the family connection by DNA tests, I would be willing to help further investigate, or participate in ongoing genealogical research, of John Page's ancestors in England. The same type of baseline DNA results would be useful in determining any connection between the Pages of Ormsby, county Norfolk, and the Kentish Pages. The baseline results could be used way into the future for coming generations to also establish their Page line. George W. Page

At 06:56 AM 4/8/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >X-PH: V4.4@orb3 > >From: "Magno . Charles" <CMagno@drc.com> > >To: "'Patricia P. Wilcox'" <wilcox.18@osu.edu> > >Subject: RE: [PAGE] Page DNA Study > >Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:37:38 -0400 > >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > > > >Thanks Patricia! Will pass this on to my Page cousins. > >(I am in direct line from Colonel John Page of Virginia (etc.) Great Charles! I am trying to contact Cecil Wray Page in Gloucester, VA who is also a direct descendant of Col. John Page, but Wray has not been at home for several days! Does anyone have an e-mail address for him? George W. Page >

At 06:54 AM 4/8/2000 -0400, Dave Page wrote: > >From: Dave34235@aol.com > >X-PH: V4.4@orb1 > >Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:43:23 EDT > >Subject: Re: [PAGE] Page DNA Study > >To: wilcox.18@osu.edu > >X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 > > > >In a message dated 4/6/00 7:22:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >wilcox.18@osu.edu > >writes: > > > ><< So, if you are a male Page from an established Page line and are > >interested > > in participating in such a test, please contact me or Pat Wilcox. > > > > George W. Page > > (The Branford, CT line) > > >> > > > >Geo/Patricia - I have never been able to conclusively prove I descend from > >the Haverhill Mass Pages and would be interested in the DNA testing if you > >ever establish a baseline. Dave Page, Sarasota FL. If we have the baseline established and you, or any other male Page, had your/their DNA tested, it would establish from which of the Page lines you are descended. The baseline results could be used way into the future for coming generations to also establish their Page line. The problem we will have is finding MALE Pages who can POSITIVELY establish their pedigree back to one of these early Page immigrants. George W. Page George W. Page

At 06:53 AM 4/8/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >X-PH: V4.4@orb3 > >From: "Enter your name here" <lrainey@ix.netcom.com> > >To: "Patricia P. Wilcox \(by way of \"George W. Page\" ><gwpage@erols.com>\)" <wilcox.18@osu.edu> > >Subject: Re: [PAGE] Page DNA Study > >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:19:55 -0400 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 > >X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > > >I too am researching Pages and you list these different lines. My Robert > >Page came from VA he married Fanny Leach are we of any of these lines? I > >think that is a good idea but what a cost. Compared to DNA costs in the past and what I have already spent on Page family research here in the United States and England --- the cost is insignificant and a bargain! There is a good possibility that the DNA study of the Robert Page line of VA is the same as the Col. John Page line, but that would not prove that Robert was descended from John, or visa versa; but that they had a common male Page ancestor. We would need 2or 3 males Pages of the Robert Page line to establish his DNA baseline. George W. Page