FTDNA, through Y-DNA testing of any male, will provide to the tested male on a private webpage for them most of the matches he has for the number of markers tested (12, 25, 37, or 67). He will be shown the list of names and their kit numbers and if he agrees to share his test data with others and provide his E-mail address he will be given the E-mail addresses of those he matches closely who also want to share info. Depending upon his Haplogroup, the results could be narrowed to a few surnames and be very helpful with knowledge of ones family history, or too common with too many red herrings. In addition to formal legal adoptions there were many "off the record" name changes that were made over the years by many individuals. GWP Page Y-DNA Project Administrator http://www.PageY-DNA.org ________ At 12:32 AM 7/2/2008, you wrote: >Dear Michael: > If you are adopted and wish to pursue DNA testing it already means >that you want to know who you really are. Stop trying to confuse the >issue by asking how adoptees are integrated into the family tree. An >adoption is legally binding and takes the judicial equivalent of >religious Sacraments such as baptism, marriages, burials etc. You will >inherit everything that is coming to a child of the family who adopted >you. You will be a legal PAGE person and so will your children if they >don't change their name. If you plan on becoming wealthy through some >sort of inheritance where someone could dispute your adoption, get all >your ducks in a row to prove that you were legally adopted. > >If you are adopted by a Page person, you will not want to do Page DNA >searching in the first place though. Would George please you tell us if >Family Tree DNA will advise you what name you REALLY are? Will they >advise an adoptee if he really should be asking questions about people >commonly called Shwartz or Jones or Hughes or whatever? > >The problems that COULD arise though might stem from 1) not knowing you >were adopted, 2) your father not knowing he was adopted, 3) your >grandfather not knowing he was adopted, 4) your great Grandfather not >knowing he was adopted - you get the picture here - this could go on >forever, OR BIG Surprise - someone somewhere didn't know who their >father REALLY was! With any luck at all you might find out that you are >really in the Hughes family and realize that your great grandparents >Page lived right next door to a Hughes family at one time. So any one >of those Hughes boys COULD be your real Gt Grandfather etc. But your >chances of assuming that it MIGHT have been one of the boys named Howard >who was the father and then maybe suing for some sort of huge >inheritance is a completely hopeless case! > >Do you remember the Laugh In skit about all the farmers children with >bright red hair? It always ended with the parents talking about >something for a while and you realized that the father and mother DID >NOT have red hair at all....but the MILKMAN sure did! I never >understood that joke at all - until we got our first color TV! > >There are others in this group who are genetically a Page but they or >their father were adopted. >This is a real help to know who your REAL family is just because one is >so curious about who else is somehow like them and living out there that >they don't know yet. I taped last Sundays 60 Minutes program which >shows one of the BIG Surprises that are out there which DNA testing just >MIGHT reveal. >If you watched it, a rather large jolly old cattle rancher who was as >white as they come found out that he had a common ancestor with a >sweetheart jovial friendly lady who is definitely as guaranteed black as >they come. The only result of this DNA investigation is a guaranteed >answer that says "there is SOMETHING you don't know! But, only one >thing is guaranteed - you ARE related because you have a common male >ancestor, somewhere, somehow - but scientifically proven for sure." The >great thing is that they both thought this was rather nice since the >other person is such a genuinely nice person. >There are bound to be some big surprises in searching for the truth this >way and we can only hope for such grace and good humor to question how >strange things happened in our past that some would rather forget. The >difference of color is only one of those possible surprises. > >However, you probably already know that there are lots of black Page >families out there. I suspect that there are very few families who are >not White Anglo Saxon types in my own family line, as I think mine came >from England to America in 1630 and have wandered all over North America >ever since then. (This is what is known as Family Group E in the chart). >But I know that Page was a very commonly assumed name by many escaped >slaves - and of course many who were probably once owned by White Pages >before they got their freedom who also took that name. It is unlikely >that there were many actual marriages before the 20th century between >whites and blacks although I do know of one in early Ontario. I >suspect that there really wasn't nearly as much hanky panky going around >inter-racially either. It could have happened of course as that has been >proven in a number of cases. The main thing is that we not condemn >those living long ago for whatever it was we don't understand now. We >simply have to move on and make the best of what we have in this short >life now. If you have any room in your heart for old hatreds and finger >pointing and condemning the living for something their ancestors did out >of pure lust or joyful hanky-panky or fooling around with the beautiful >neighbors daughter - or whatever happened that caused your life to be >here today - I don't have time to talk to you. I would hope to be as >gracious and gleeful at big surprises as that jolly couple on 60 Minutes >a few nights ago. One relative of mine who is a Page descendant >wondered aloud if DNA might prove that you were related to Jack the >Ripper or some such criminal bad guy but I think GWP has explained the >difference between our style of DNA searching and the forensic police >style DNA testing, at least enough for this not to be a worry. I think >it is safe to say that the DNA testing done by FT-DNA for us in this >group proves only one thing for sure - others in your group with Genetic >Distance Zero are definitely related to you. It is completely up to you >to prove exactly how! So far I have met 2 of my 7th cousins through >this group. We are genetic Distance Zero and we do have a common >ancestor - but he was 8 generations ago! Finding all the people in >between is really a big job too! If you are still confused, it is >because you are asking the wrong questions! > >Best wishes to all, Ruthanne > >Michael wrote- > >This brings up a question: how does one integrate adoptees into the > >family tree? I and my idiot brother, for example, are both adopted; > >there are no biological children from our parents. This is going to > >screw up totally any DNA-based attempts to trace the Holts and their > >antecedents. What is done about this? Are there adoptions and other > >relationships that are not recorded and unaccounted? > > > >Michael > >Yes Michael.....it is best described by the technical term Hanky Panky! > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PAGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Michael: If you are adopted and wish to pursue DNA testing it already means that you want to know who you really are. Stop trying to confuse the issue by asking how adoptees are integrated into the family tree. An adoption is legally binding and takes the judicial equivalent of religious Sacraments such as baptism, marriages, burials etc. You will inherit everything that is coming to a child of the family who adopted you. You will be a legal PAGE person and so will your children if they don't change their name. If you plan on becoming wealthy through some sort of inheritance where someone could dispute your adoption, get all your ducks in a row to prove that you were legally adopted. If you are adopted by a Page person, you will not want to do Page DNA searching in the first place though. Would George please you tell us if Family Tree DNA will advise you what name you REALLY are? Will they advise an adoptee if he really should be asking questions about people commonly called Shwartz or Jones or Hughes or whatever? The problems that COULD arise though might stem from 1) not knowing you were adopted, 2) your father not knowing he was adopted, 3) your grandfather not knowing he was adopted, 4) your great Grandfather not knowing he was adopted - you get the picture here - this could go on forever, OR BIG Surprise - someone somewhere didn't know who their father REALLY was! With any luck at all you might find out that you are really in the Hughes family and realize that your great grandparents Page lived right next door to a Hughes family at one time. So any one of those Hughes boys COULD be your real Gt Grandfather etc. But your chances of assuming that it MIGHT have been one of the boys named Howard who was the father and then maybe suing for some sort of huge inheritance is a completely hopeless case! Do you remember the Laugh In skit about all the farmers children with bright red hair? It always ended with the parents talking about something for a while and you realized that the father and mother DID NOT have red hair at all....but the MILKMAN sure did! I never understood that joke at all - until we got our first color TV! There are others in this group who are genetically a Page but they or their father were adopted. This is a real help to know who your REAL family is just because one is so curious about who else is somehow like them and living out there that they don't know yet. I taped last Sundays 60 Minutes program which shows one of the BIG Surprises that are out there which DNA testing just MIGHT reveal. If you watched it, a rather large jolly old cattle rancher who was as white as they come found out that he had a common ancestor with a sweetheart jovial friendly lady who is definitely as guaranteed black as they come. The only result of this DNA investigation is a guaranteed answer that says "there is SOMETHING you don't know! But, only one thing is guaranteed - you ARE related because you have a common male ancestor, somewhere, somehow - but scientifically proven for sure." The great thing is that they both thought this was rather nice since the other person is such a genuinely nice person. There are bound to be some big surprises in searching for the truth this way and we can only hope for such grace and good humor to question how strange things happened in our past that some would rather forget. The difference of color is only one of those possible surprises. However, you probably already know that there are lots of black Page families out there. I suspect that there are very few families who are not White Anglo Saxon types in my own family line, as I think mine came from England to America in 1630 and have wandered all over North America ever since then. (This is what is known as Family Group E in the chart). But I know that Page was a very commonly assumed name by many escaped slaves - and of course many who were probably once owned by White Pages before they got their freedom who also took that name. It is unlikely that there were many actual marriages before the 20th century between whites and blacks although I do know of one in early Ontario. I suspect that there really wasn't nearly as much hanky panky going around inter-racially either. It could have happened of course as that has been proven in a number of cases. The main thing is that we not condemn those living long ago for whatever it was we don't understand now. We simply have to move on and make the best of what we have in this short life now. If you have any room in your heart for old hatreds and finger pointing and condemning the living for something their ancestors did out of pure lust or joyful hanky-panky or fooling around with the beautiful neighbors daughter - or whatever happened that caused your life to be here today - I don't have time to talk to you. I would hope to be as gracious and gleeful at big surprises as that jolly couple on 60 Minutes a few nights ago. One relative of mine who is a Page descendant wondered aloud if DNA might prove that you were related to Jack the Ripper or some such criminal bad guy but I think GWP has explained the difference between our style of DNA searching and the forensic police style DNA testing, at least enough for this not to be a worry. I think it is safe to say that the DNA testing done by FT-DNA for us in this group proves only one thing for sure - others in your group with Genetic Distance Zero are definitely related to you. It is completely up to you to prove exactly how! So far I have met 2 of my 7th cousins through this group. We are genetic Distance Zero and we do have a common ancestor - but he was 8 generations ago! Finding all the people in between is really a big job too! If you are still confused, it is because you are asking the wrong questions! Best wishes to all, Ruthanne Michael wrote- This brings up a question: how does one integrate adoptees into the >family tree? I and my idiot brother, for example, are both adopted; >there are no biological children from our parents. This is going to >screw up totally any DNA-based attempts to trace the Holts and their >antecedents. What is done about this? Are there adoptions and other >relationships that are not recorded and unaccounted? > >Michael Yes Michael.....it is best described by the technical term Hanky Panky!

Direct matches of 12 or so DYS markers between two males of different last names is not uncommon, especially IF they have the most common Haplogroup signature: DNA signature R1b1, is often called the "Atlantic Modal Haplotype" (or AMH). This signature is the most frequent Y-chromosome DNA pattern for men whose roots are in western Europe, above all in the British Isles. As such, this set of marker values is especially prone to generate "false positive" matches. In particular, men at (or close to) the AMH seldom can rely on the results of a 12-marker DNA match for evidence of a genealogically significant relationship. In fact, even perfect 25-marker matches for men in the AMH category sometimes break down upon an upgrade to 37 markers. The same may be said for men within one step of the AMH and with men with different surnames. The cause of other Haplogroup matches between males with different surnames is most often caused by a name change(s), adoption(s), or a paternal indiscretion on the part of someone's grandmother - often many generations in the past. George W. Page PAGE Y-DNA Project Administrator http://www.PageY-DNA.Org At 09:54 AM 6/30/2008, you wrote: >Michael: > >I just returned from the Southern California Genealogical >Jamboree. One of the better presentations was by Max Blankfield of >Family Tree DNA. He said that "...the rate of non-paternity events >in each generation is 1-1.5%. So in 10 generations, the rate is >10-15%. Wow...the implications are vast. > >When Jews adopted surnames, it was very common for brothers who >where living in different areas to adopt different surnames--one >meaning "of the forest," and another meaning "from the >valley." They would still share the same Y-DNA. > >My father and I--surname FORTUNE-- did his Y-DNA testing before he >died at age 91. I recently got an e.mail from someone with a >different last name that matches my father...hmmm. More to >research! Way too much fun. > >Susan Fortune >SoCal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Holt > To: page@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:05 AM > Subject: Re: [PAGE] New Web Site to Report Y-DNA Testing of these Surnames > > > susan page howland wrote: > > >My Page family is in group M in the PAGE Y-DNA project "descendant of > >Raymond Page who came to Quebec from France in 1637"; I am unfamiliar > >with him. Two of the three kits in group M are my brother and > >nephew...but who is kit 88138, and do you think the DNA profile is > >close enough to assume a common ancestor? I would love to contact the > >person who is kit 88138, as_ he _must be related to Raymond Page, and > >Raymond would predate the ancestors I have traced. > > > This brings up a question: how does one integrate adoptees into the > family tree? I and my idiot brother, for example, are both adopted; > there are no biological children from our parents. This is going to > screw up totally any DNA-based attempts to trace the Holts and their > antecedents. What is done about this? Are there adoptions and other > relationships that are not recorded and unaccounted? > > > Michael > > -- > "Everyone knows that 20th-century colleges were basically > expensive day-care centers." -Leela > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 3225 (20080629) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PAGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael: I just returned from the Southern California Genealogical Jamboree. One of the better presentations was by Max Blankfield of Family Tree DNA. He said that "...the rate of non-paternity events in each generation is 1-1.5%. So in 10 generations, the rate is 10-15%. Wow...the implications are vast. When Jews adopted surnames, it was very common for brothers who where living in different areas to adopt different surnames--one meaning "of the forest," and another meaning "from the valley." They would still share the same Y-DNA. My father and I--surname FORTUNE-- did his Y-DNA testing before he died at age 91. I recently got an e.mail from someone with a different last name that matches my father...hmmm. More to research! Way too much fun. Susan Fortune SoCal ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Holt To: page@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [PAGE] New Web Site to Report Y-DNA Testing of these Surnames susan page howland wrote: >My Page family is in group M in the PAGE Y-DNA project "descendant of >Raymond Page who came to Quebec from France in 1637"; I am unfamiliar >with him. Two of the three kits in group M are my brother and >nephew...but who is kit 88138, and do you think the DNA profile is >close enough to assume a common ancestor? I would love to contact the >person who is kit 88138, as_ he _must be related to Raymond Page, and >Raymond would predate the ancestors I have traced. > This brings up a question: how does one integrate adoptees into the family tree? I and my idiot brother, for example, are both adopted; there are no biological children from our parents. This is going to screw up totally any DNA-based attempts to trace the Holts and their antecedents. What is done about this? Are there adoptions and other relationships that are not recorded and unaccounted? Michael -- "Everyone knows that 20th-century colleges were basically expensive day-care centers." -Leela ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 3225 (20080629) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

George forward to me several messages that had been sent from 1997 to the present regarding Thomas' wife. Apparently from Rattlesden records there are 3 possibilities although they may have married another Thomas Page . There were 3 death records- Bridgitt d. 160?, Johan who died 1609 and Sisley who d. 1617? My memory at this minute is a little foggy as to exact years. Since John was born c 1614 (bpt. May 1614) that should eliminate the 1st 2. Other than these records which I received 2nd hand I haven't seen anything definite. I wonder if there might be a probate record or deeds that would tie John to Thomas. Can anyone help? Polly > >

susan page howland wrote: >My Page family is in group M in the PAGE Y-DNA project "descendant of >Raymond Page who came to Quebec from France in 1637"; I am unfamiliar >with him. Two of the three kits in group M are my brother and >nephew...but who is kit 88138, and do you think the DNA profile is >close enough to assume a common ancestor? I would love to contact the >person who is kit 88138, as_ he _must be related to Raymond Page, and >Raymond would predate the ancestors I have traced. > This brings up a question: how does one integrate adoptees into the family tree? I and my idiot brother, for example, are both adopted; there are no biological children from our parents. This is going to screw up totally any DNA-based attempts to trace the Holts and their antecedents. What is done about this? Are there adoptions and other relationships that are not recorded and unaccounted? Michael -- "Everyone knows that 20th-century colleges were basically expensive day-care centers." -Leela

Dear George, Thanks so much for the great DNA web site...I know it was countless hours of work. My Page family is in group M in the PAGE Y-DNA project "descendant of Raymond Page who came to Quebec from France in 1637"; I am unfamiliar with him. Two of the three kits in group M are my brother and nephew...but who is kit 88138, and do you think the DNA profile is close enough to assume a common ancestor? I would love to contact the person who is kit 88138, as_ he _must be related to Raymond Page, and Raymond would predate the ancestors I have traced. Maybe you sent this information earlier, but I don't seem to have it. Thanks again, Susan Page Howland George W. Page wrote: > Through the help of Brenda Hare in Cedar Rapids, we have posted a new > web site to report on the four Y-DNA Surname Projects and testing of > the surnames that I administer, or assist (PAGE, CRAY/CRAYS, JACKMAN, > & NIXON) : > > http://www.PageY-DNA.org > > In addition to having background information about these surnames and > the Y-DNA results for each of these surnames, the web site provides > info about Y-DNA testing in support of normal family history > research. The site also provides links to read about these four > surname Y-DNA Projects, and for males to order a test kit and join the project. > > Enjoy! > > George W. Page > Y-DNA Project Administrator > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

As I looked at the DNA website I saw that parents for John Page of Haverhill, Ma were given as Thomas and Johan (Baker) Page of Rattlesden, Suffolk. Can anyone give me a reliable source for this? Polly

Y-DNA is passed down from biological father to biological father, often unchanged for many generations. In normal situations when tracing one's biological father's up ones family tree, the surname remains the same. It gets complicated if there are surname changes, adoptions, and marital irregularities that could have happened in years gone bye! In those cases the surname line is broken. In the case of the PAGE Y-DNA Project we have a few PAGE members who were tested even though their surnames are NOT Page, because the have, and pass on PAGE Y-DNA. GWP PAGE Y-DNA Project Administrator _____ At 07:05 AM 6/29/2008, you wrote: >susan page howland wrote: > > >My Page family is in group M in the PAGE Y-DNA project "descendant of > >Raymond Page who came to Quebec from France in 1637"; I am unfamiliar > >with him. Two of the three kits in group M are my brother and > >nephew...but who is kit 88138, and do you think the DNA profile is > >close enough to assume a common ancestor? I would love to contact the > >person who is kit 88138, as_ he _must be related to Raymond Page, and > >Raymond would predate the ancestors I have traced. > > >This brings up a question: how does one integrate adoptees into the >family tree? I and my idiot brother, for example, are both adopted; >there are no biological children from our parents. This is going to >screw up totally any DNA-based attempts to trace the Holts and their >antecedents. What is done about this? Are there adoptions and other >relationships that are not recorded and unaccounted? > >Michael > >-- >"Everyone knows that 20th-century colleges were basically expensive >day-care centers." -Leela > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PAGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi George -- I don't know why your messages are bouncing, but try just sending your email to one but not both of my addresses. I suggest you use pat.wilcox@alum.mit.edu without all the quotes and brackets... As I recall from the early Oxford Ancestors results, it looked as if my Dr. John Page was related to John Page of Watertown, MA (who married Phoebe Payne), and to John Page of Haverhill, MA, and to Colonel John Page of Virginia -- but none of these were an exact match. I.e., they all seem to have diverged from a common ancestor a number of generations preceding the migration to the colonies. Do you have any more recent information showing a match with John Page of Watertown? Your new web page is great! Cheers, Pat (Page) Wilcox On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 "George W. Page" <gwpage@erols.com> wrote: Subject: [PAGE] Whereabouts of Pat Wilcox > For a VERY long time the messages I have been sending out that > included the following Pat Wilcox address have bounced! > "Pat Wilcox" <pat.wilcox@alum.mit.edu> > PPWilcoxMS@cs.com > Does anyone have a more current address for her? > She was an avid PAGE family research of her line from Dr. John Page. > Dr. John Page of Framingham, Middlesex Co., MA, who m. there in 1712 > Susannah Lealand/Leland (b. 19 Dec. 1690 in Sherborn, Middlesex Co., > MA). He moved to Sutton, MA where he d. c. 1731. His ancestry has not > yet been identified, but his children lived in Sherman, New Fairfield > Co., CT, c. 1747. > I believe from Y-DNA testing of his descendants that he shared a > common male PAGE ancestor with the John Page who m. Phoebe Payne who > came with the Winthrop Fleet in 1630 and moved to Watertown, Mass. > GWP

For a VERY long time the messages I have been sending out that included the following Pat Wilcox address have bounced! "Pat Wilcox" <pat.wilcox@alum.mit.edu> PPWilcoxMS@cs.com Does anyone have a more current address for her? She was an avid PAGE family research of her line from Dr. John Page. Dr. John Page of Framingham, Middlesex Co., MA, who m. there in 1712 Susannah Lealand/Leland (b. 19 Dec. 1690 in Sherborn, Middlesex Co., MA). He moved to Sutton, MA where he d. c. 1731. His ancestry has not yet been identified, but his children lived in Sherman, New Fairfield Co., CT, c. 1747. I believe from Y-DNA testing of his descendants that he shared a common male PAGE ancestor with the John Page who m. Phoebe Payne who came with the Winthrop Fleet in 1630 and moved to Watertown, Mass. GWP

Ron Page wrote: >It has been quieter than usual the past few days, but, overall, I think the >amount of postings is just about right. > > Sorry it took so long to get back to this. The list was very quiet the first few days I was signed up. >I, for one, would like to hear from Michael. What can you tell us of your >ancestry? > > I'm adopted, and really related to families from northern Virginia, though the legal connections are through Petersburg VA and Richmond VA: Holt and Williams, to about 1900. I'm trying to make sure I remember someone, actually. When I was in elementary school in Richmond, the girl who sat next to me for a couple of years was "Vicky Page." I've been wondering whether I had the name right. Does anyone know a Vicky who went to Highland Park Elementary in about 1955-1960? Thanks. Mike -- "Everyone knows that 20th-century colleges were basically expensive day-care centers." -Leela

great job. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George W. Page" <gwpage@erols.com> To: <page@rootsweb.com>; <cray@rootsweb.com>; <crays@rootsweb.com>; <jackman@rootsweb.com>; <nixon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: [PAGE] New Web Site to Report Y-DNA Testing of these Surnames > Through the help of Brenda Hare in Cedar Rapids, we have posted a new > web site to report on the four Y-DNA Surname Projects and testing of > the surnames that I administer, or assist (PAGE, CRAY/CRAYS, JACKMAN, > & NIXON) : > > http://www.PageY-DNA.org > > In addition to having background information about these surnames and > the Y-DNA results for each of these surnames, the web site provides > info about Y-DNA testing in support of normal family history > research. The site also provides links to read about these four > surname Y-DNA Projects, and for males to order a test kit and join the > project. > > Enjoy! > > George W. Page > Y-DNA Project Administrator > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

George, I want to thank you for posting the Page DNA results where those of us who descend from the Page family, but do not carry the Page surname, can review them. I also want to compliment you on the format in which it is done. My mother was a Page who descended from the Robert and Rachel Brockman Page line. Charlie Scott **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Through the help of Brenda Hare in Cedar Rapids, we have posted a new web site to report on the four Y-DNA Surname Projects and testing of the surnames that I administer, or assist (PAGE, CRAY/CRAYS, JACKMAN, & NIXON) : http://www.PageY-DNA.org In addition to having background information about these surnames and the Y-DNA results for each of these surnames, the web site provides info about Y-DNA testing in support of normal family history research. The site also provides links to read about these four surname Y-DNA Projects, and for males to order a test kit and join the project. Enjoy! George W. Page Y-DNA Project Administrator

I am interested in contacting kin or other researchers on he following line: Robert PAGE (ca. 1810 GA – 1860s prob. Clapp’s Factory, Muscogee Co, GA) married 1830s, prob. in GA, or perhaps SC Sarah UNKNOWN (ca. 1813 SC – aft 1880) Both of Sarah’s parents were born in Ireland, per the 1880 census. Sarah and Robert are probably buried in the Clapp’s Factory Cemetery. Their children: >>son PAGE (b. ca. 1835) – inferred from 1840 census household >>Louisa (G.?) “Lou” PAGE (19 JUN 1837 GA – 26 JUL 1895 Phenix City, Lee Co, AL) never married – buried in Linwood Cemetery, Columbus, Muscogee Co, GA >>daughter PAGE (b. ca. 1839) – inferred from 1840 census household >>Permelia A. PAGE (25 JUL 1841 GA – 23 JAN 1905 Carroll Co, GA) married 31 JAN 1864 in Muscogee Co, GA, to Henry Mims NEWSOME (his 2nd wife) - both buried in Antioch Prim. Bapt Cemetery, Banning, Carroll Co, GA >>William PAGE (ca. 1843 GA – 15 MAR 1862 Skidaway Island, Chatham Co, GA) CSA - never married – buried in Clapp’s Factory Cemetery, Muscogee Co, GA >>Ellafair “Ella” PAGE (ca. 1846 GA – aft. 1916) married 10 MAR 1870 in Muscogee Co, GA, to C. Franklin L. “Frank” WILLIAMS (ca. 1850 AL – aft. 1903) >>Melvina PAGE (1850 Baldwin Co, GA – 22 SEP 1916 Phenix City, Lee Co, AL) never married – buried in Pine Grove Cemetery, Phenix City (now Russell Co.), AL >>Jane “Janie” PAGE (ca. 1851 AL – aft. 1916) married 15 SEP 1878 in Lee Co, AL, to William EDWARDS >>Robert PAGE (ca. 1853 AL – 09 JUL 1903 Montgomery, Montgomery Co, AL) married 07 NOV 1878 in Lee Co, AL, to Rachel MARTIN both are buried in Linwood Cemetery, Columbus, Muscogee Co, GA >>Mahala “Mahaley” PAGE (ca. 1854 GA – JAN 1902) married 18 MAY 1873 in Muscogee Co, GA, to Charles J. OWENS (ca. 1845 GA - aft. 1880) – Mahala buried 26 JAN 1902 in Linwood Cemetery, Columbus, GA >>Emma PAGE (ca. 1856 AL – aft. 1902) married 1st 07 DEC 1875 in Muscogee Co, GA, to Robert KNOWLES married 2nd 22 MAY 1879 in Lee Co, AL, to Hamilton HICKS This family seems likely to be in the household headed by Robert PAGE on the 1840 federal census of GMD 328 in Wilkinson Co, GA Not located in 1850 – could be in GA or AL Residing 1860 at Clapp’s Factory, Muscogee Co, GA Sarah is a widow on the 1870 and 1880 censuses of Browneville, Lee Co, AL (name of Browneville changed to Phenix City in 1889) I am interested in any information on these folk or their kin. Permelia (PAGE) NEWSOME is my gg-grandmother. Thanks – John in TX

.... And I am still looking for parents of a Joshua Page, sailmaker, born 1780 in Rotherhithe, London.... Regards to All, Rob Page 2008/6/20 carla page <carla_page39@yahoo.com>: > i am looking for a bennett j.page who died somewhere around 1857 according > to the guardianship records that i have.samuel page&nancy e.murray took > custody of bennett,s children and gave them each $1,000.samuel and nancy > e.murray are buried in the richland cemetery in howard > county,missouri.samuel and bennett both were brothers and son,s of EDWARD > DILLARD PAGE&ELIZABETH WARE WOOD.bennett j.page was born 1810 albemarle > county,virginia.samuel was born 1814 and died 1889. > regards,carla jean page > > --- On Fri, 6/20/08, John E. Brach <jbrach@frontier.net> wrote: > > From: John E. Brach <jbrach@frontier.net> > Subject: [PAGE] Lettie Bell Page > To: "Page List" <PAGE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 12:50 PM > > I am looking for the date of birth of Lettie Bell Page. She was born in > Pulaski > County, Missouri, the daughter of Solomon Newton Page and Mary Frances > Vaughn. > > Lettie is listed as Lettie Bell Page Miller in her mother's obit. > > Solomon died in 1942 in Maries County, Missouri and is buried in Piney, > Pulaski > County, Missouri at the Hopewell Church. > > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAGE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Michael, Sometimes there is a low in activity. I guess it's one of those times. And sometimes there's lots of good info and messages to be had. Steve Page Michael Holt wrote: >I signed up a couple of days ago, and I've seen nothing. > > >Michael > > >

Sorry, do not find your Lettie Belle Page. US and International Marriage Records Robert Page b 1784 SC and Elizabeth Smith b 1781 of IL Silas Messer Page b 1820 SC and Charlotte Johnson, married 1842, IL 1850 Dist. 10, Hamilton Co., IL, Oct 4, 1850 155 155 Robert Page, 65, m, w, farmer, 200, NC Elizabeth, 69, f, w, VA James, 24, m, w, farmer, SC Mary, 22, f, w, IL William J., 21, m, w, IL Drucilla, 3, f, w, IL Herod M., 2, m, w, IL 1850 Dist. 10, Hamilton Co., IL, Oct 12, 1850 172 172 Silas M. Page, 31, m, w, farmer, SC Charlotte, 32, f, w, TN, cannot read or write Rachel, 7, f, w, IL, school Elizabeth M., 5, f, w, IL, school Robert S., 4, m, w, IL 1860 PO Hall, Hamilton Co., IL, July 18, 1860 706 706 Silas M. Page, 39, m, w, farmer, 1000, 250, SC Charlotta, 41, f, w, TN Elizabeth, 15, f, w, IL, school Rachel, 17, f, w, IL, school Robert S., 13. m, w, IL, school Lydia J., 7, f, w, IL, school Solomon M., 3, m, w, IL Benjamin J., 1, m, w, IL Robert Page, 75, m, w, NC 1870 PO Waynesville, Big Piney Twsp., Pulaski Co., MO 65 65 Silas Page, 45, m, w, farmer, 1600, 240, SC Charlotte, 47, f, w, keeping house, TN, cannot read or write Elizabeth, 20, f, w, IL L. Jane, 17, f, w, IL Sarah, 8, f, w, IL, F. Benjamin, 11, m, w, IL, cannot read or write Solomon, 13, m, w, IL, cannot read or write (family ahead of him is James Page, age 50 also born SC) 1880 Piney Twsp., Pulaski Co., MO 144 144 Solomon N. Page, m, w, 24, head, married, farmer, IL SC IL Mary F., w, f, 20, wife, keeping house, MO KY _ M. Effie, w,f, 9m, b Aug, daughter, single, MO IL MO 1900 Piney Twsp., Pulaski Co., MO 42 42 Solomon N. Page, head, w, m, Nov 1857, 42, married 21yrs, IL SC TN, farmer Mary L., wife, w, f, Oct 1860, 39, married 21yrs, 6 children, 5 living, MO KY TN Mattie E., daughter, w, f, Aug 1879, 20, single, MO IL MO William S., son, w, m, Sept 1888, 11, single, MO IL MO, farm laborer Ada O., daughter, w, f, July 1890, 9, single, MO IL MO, at school Boss, son, w, m, July 1894, 5, single, MO IL MO 1910 Piney Twsp., Pulaski Co., MO 160 160 Joseph F. Page, head, m, w, 50, widowed, IL SC IL, farmer Cora Page, daughter, f, w, 16, single, MO IL PA Rex Page, son, m, w, 11, single, MO IL PA, farm laborer 1910 Piney Twsp., Pulaski Co., MO 164 164 Solomon N. Page, head, m, w, 55, married 1 time for 32yrs, IL SC TN, farmer Mary F., wife, f, w, 49, married 1 time for 32yrs, 8 children, 7 living, MO KY MO Sherman W., son, m, w, 22, single, MO IL MO, teacher, public school Boss, son, m, w, 15, single, MO IL MO, farm laborer, home farm Byron, son, m, w, 9, single, MO IL MO Tilda M., daughter, f, w, 5, single, MO IL MO 1920 Piney Twsp., Pulaski Co., MO 135 141 Solomon N. Page, head, m, w, 64, married, IL US US, farmer, gen farm Mary F., wife, f, w, 59, MO KY MO Byron B., son, m, w, 17, single, MO IL MO, teacher, public school Hilda M., daughter, f, w, 15, single, MO IL MO 1930 Cullen Twsp., Waynesville Town, Dist. 1, Pulaski Co., MO 59 59 Solomon N. Page, head, rent, $8, m, w, 73, married, married at 23, IL SC TN, shoe cobbler, home shop ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Lettie Belle Page was born 29 Jun 1881 in Big Piney, MO and died 5 Apr 1947 in Waynesville, MO. She married Daniel Sylvester Miller in 1897 and had 7 children. My dad was born in Big Piney and we visited her several times when I was a kid but don't remember her. I do remember my dad telling stories about all the cousins playing together when he was young. Lettie was the daughter of Solomon Newton Page and Mary Frances Vaughn. Solomon was the son of Silas Messer Page. Silas was the son of Robert Page Jr, who was my gggf. I come thru James Nelson, Silas' brother. This family is covered in my 2 volume set of books on the Page Family. Don Page -----Original Message----- From: page-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:page-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John E. Brach Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 5:57 PM To: Page List Subject: [PAGE] Lettie Bell Page She was born after the 1880 census as she does not appear on that census, but must have been married before 1900 as she does not appear on that census either. Solomon Newton and Mary appear on the 1900 census but their daughter Lettie is not listed with the family. Thus, the reason I am looking for a birth date. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message