At 02:59 PM 1/26/2001 -0500, [email protected] wrote in response to my: > > I'm coming to the conclusion that all the male PAGE > > descendants from that line are extinct, and their Y-Chromosomes have >passed > > into oblivion! > >George, > >Just a suggestion....Perhaps the reason you have no takers in the John/Phebe >line is that nobody feels confident that they've sufficiently "proven" their >connection with their own research. (That's the line I think I'm from, but I >haven't yet had time to confirm it.) > > From reading your postings, it appears to me that you have lots of Page info >on lines other than your own. Maybe if the "proven" descendants of >John/Phebe, as far as you know them, were posted to the site someone would be >able to prove a connection to one of those descendants and not have to come >up with the rest of the documentation back to John and Phebe on their own in >order to participate in the test. > >Barbara Senden Okay, I'm going to post all that I know about the children of John and Phoebe (Payne) Page of Watertown and Groton, MA in the hope that some of you can pick it up from there. They immigrated to New England in 1630 with the Winthrop Fleet. i. William Page, b. Eng., m. Hannah __?__, d.s.p. Feb. 19, 1665; ii. Phoebe Page, b. Eng. m. Jaques Cutler, 1662 --, they had a daughter (NO help); ii. John Page, b. c. 1629 in Eng., m.(1) at Groton, MA on May 12, 1664 Faith DUNSTER, dau. of Robert Dunster and Alice Fletcher. m.(2)Mrs. Emery Lamb on Sep. 5, 1699. John d. in Watertown or Groton in 1711, or at least before 20 Jan 1713/14. One of their sons, Samuel Page (b. 4 Jun 1672) m.(1) Sarah LAWRENCE, m.(2) Martha __?__ probably in SC, m.(3) Sarah (Holland) Parse or Pierce of Leominster, MA; iii. Daniel Page, b. c. 1631 in Eng. d. Aug. 1634; iv. Samuel Page., b. Watertown, MA Aug. 20, 1633, lived in Concord and Salisbury, m. by 1667 Hannah Dane/Dean, d. Watertown in 1691, only surviving son was Ebenezer Page, b. 17 Jan. 1675/6; v. Roger Page; vi. Edward Page; vii. Robert Page; viii. Mary Page; ix. Elizabeth Page; [Sources: Robert Charles Anderson, "The Great Migration Begins," Vol. III, p.1365-1369; C.N.Page, Genealogical Chart #2,Point Lomas, CA, Dec. 1917; G. Andrews Moriarty, "The Page Family of Danvers, MA" NEHG Register, Vol. 105, Jan. 1951, pp. 25-32] George W. Page

I am having difficulty understanding your message. I am of the opinion that you are researching the descendants of Robert Page, b. in Ormsby St. Michael or St. Margaret, county Norfolk, Eng. in 1604 who immigrated to New England in 1637. His grandson, Samuel (b. Mar. 3, 1671 the son of Francis2, Robert1; m.(1.) Jan. 1, 1696; d. Dec. 6, 1764 ae 93 y, 9 m., 3 d.) & Hannah (Williams) Page had: i. Hannah Page, b. Oct. 31, 1695, died in infancy; ii. Samuel, b. May, 3, 1698, d. in infancy; iii. Meribah, b. Dec. 18, 1699. Samuel Page m.(2) Anne Marshall and they had: iv. Samuel bp. Oct. 3, 1703; v. Hannah, bp. Sep. 3, 1704; vi. Prudence, b. Sep. 2, 1706 - d. Oct. 29, 1796, m.(1) Samuel, son of Samuel and Meribah (Page) Tilton, b. Nov. 1, 1703; m.(2) John Marston; m.(3) Capt. Wm. Branscomb; vii. Elizabeth, b. Jan. 12, 1708, m. Isaac Tobey; viii. Benjamin, b. Mar. 6, 1709, died young; ix. Solomon, b. March 16, 1710, grad. from Harvard, m. Dorothy __?__; x. Jeremiah, b. Sep. 9, 1711 of which I know nothing more; xi. John, bp. Nov. 18, 1712, m. Mar. 14, 1751, Sarah Sanborn, dau., of Reuben Sanborn, b. June 12, 1732; settled in Epping, NH; vii. Benjamin, bp. Nov21, 1714, m. Mary Sanborn, dau. of Shubael Sanborn, bp. Jun 19, 1720; viii. Stephen, bp/ Jan. 22, 1716. m.(1) Nov. 11, 1740, Annie Perkins dau. of James and Huldah (Robie) Perkins, and b. Aug. 24, 1720 - d. May 28, 1752, He m.(2) Mary Burnham; xiv. Anna. bp. Dec. 7, 1718; xv. Simon, bp. Mar. 17, 1721. [Source: William Prescott, M.D. of Concord, NH, "The Page Family" in NEHG Register, Vol. 26, Jan. 1872, pp. 75-78] Unfortunately I know nothing more about succeeding generations. If you do, please share the details with the list. George W. Page +++++++++++= At 02:15 PM 1/26/2001 -0500, [email protected] wrote: >George, >I am researching the Page family of Hampton and other towns in NH. The >information I have is that: Samuel Page had two wives (Samuel March 3 or 5, >1671-Dec 4, 1754) Hannah married Jan 9, 1696 and died Dec 24, 1701. Her only >child that grew up was Meribah. Samuel married again Anne Marshall and had >a long list of children: Samuel, Prudence, Elizabeth, Solomon, Jeremiah, >John, Benjamin* Stephen, Simon.This Benjamin Bpt 1714 married Mary Sanborn, >they had a son Jeremiah who married Elizabeth Brown, They had children: >Hannah, Polly, Olive, Samuel, Sally, Jeremiah, Abraham, Wilder,Benjamin. >I'm trying to prove that Samuel is Jeremiah's son. I have the copy of birth >of Samuel, but no parents listed. I also have copy rocord of Jeremiah's >marriage to Eliz Brown. Can you help me? >Thanks. Janet Geckeler 945 Campbellton Drive, North Augusta, SC 29841

> I'm coming to the conclusion that all the male PAGE > descendants from that line are extinct, and their Y-Chromosomes have passed > into oblivion! George, Just a suggestion....Perhaps the reason you have no takers in the John/Phebe line is that nobody feels confident that they've sufficiently "proven" their connection with their own research. (That's the line I think I'm from, but I haven't yet had time to confirm it.) From reading your postings, it appears to me that you have lots of Page info on lines other than your own. Maybe if the "proven" descendants of John/Phebe, as far as you know them, were posted to the site someone would be able to prove a connection to one of those descendants and not have to come up with the rest of the documentation back to John and Phebe on their own in order to participate in the test. Barbara Senden

George: I have followed your posts regarding DNA testing and find the project exceedingly interesting. I hope when all is done, you will share the findings or reports with us. Good luck with the project! Pat (Descendant of Pitt County, North Carolina PAGES) > We are still missing a male PAGE descendant of John & Phoebe (Payne) Page > who came with the Winthrop Fleet to New England in 1630! > We desperately need such an individual to establish the baseline data for > that major line of PAGEs. > If you are a male of that line or a female descendant from that line and > know of a living male PAGE relative please contact me ASAP. > The list of 26 of us to be DNA tested is about to be sent to the testing > company, and I'm coming to the conclusion that all the male PAGE > descendants from that line are extinct, and their Y-Chromosomes have passed > into oblivion! > > George W. Page > > > ==== PAGE Mailing List ==== > PAGE list website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/PAGE.htm >

We are still missing a male PAGE descendant of John & Phoebe (Payne) Page who came with the Winthrop Fleet to New England in 1630! We desperately need such an individual to establish the baseline data for that major line of PAGEs. If you are a male of that line or a female descendant from that line and know of a living male PAGE relative please contact me ASAP. The list of 26 of us to be DNA tested is about to be sent to the testing company, and I'm coming to the conclusion that all the male PAGE descendants from that line are extinct, and their Y-Chromosomes have passed into oblivion! George W. Page

I am brand new to this list. Is anyone on the list a descendant of Lewis Page, who moved from Virginia to North Carolina sometime around 1795 or so? One of Lewis's sons was Anderson Page and he had a grandson named Allison Francis "Frank" Page. Frank founded Cary, North Carolina and another town or two and was the father of Walter Hines Page, Ambassador to England in the First World War. I am a descendant of a James Page, presumably born somewhere in South Carolina in about 1805, although I have also been told 1814. I thought he might be a son of Lewis and a brother to Anderson because from what I know of Anderson and Frank, they were always moving further South and their farms were very close to the present South Carolina border. George has given me some references to pursue, but haven't found the time to get serious about digging. Ron Page Page Concepts,Inc. 888-821-1430 www.pagec.com

There are about 25 of us male PAGEs of various Page family lines whose names and addresses are to be sent in a letter to Oxford Ancestors in the UK to receive the subject test kits. Y-Chromosome DNA testing of ALL PAGE lines is encouraged and will help to establish common male PAGE Ancestrial lines. The information obtained will be helpful and relevant to the tested male PAGE (plus their posterity) as well as others who are PAGE descendants who may be from the same line and have a common male Page ancestor. We are missing a male PAGE descendant of John & Phoebe (Payne) Page who came with the Winthrop Fleet to New England in 1630! We desperately need such an individual to establish the baseline data for that major line of PAGEs. If you are a male of that line or a female descendant from that line and know of a living male PAGE relative please contact me ASAP. George W. Page

Is this list normally for American Page's or is it just a coincidence at this particular time that that is all that is being discussed? I have posted a few times regarding Canadian or Irish Page's and do not seem to get responses other than polite people saying no one has any Canadian or Irish connections. Secondly I do not understand what all the hoopala is regarding George's postings. I have not seen or read anything offensive. He seems to provide unselfishly, a wealth of information (unfortunately not on my line though) and if as rumours go, we Canadians are a prudish sort I have not been offended. Thanks Jackie in Canada

George, wonder if you could clarify how we know it is Hugo who is referred to as Henrico, rather than another Page altogether? Thanks - Leslie

At 03:24 PM 1/24/2001 -0700, Linda Hannah <[email protected]> wrote: >Also the word "shire" is equivalent to the our word for county. The area of >York is Yorkshire or just York which is divided up into 3 "Ridings" I think. >There is also the famous city of York in Yorkshire. Been there and walked >the famous walls of the city!!! Linda in Albuq From whence the word Sheriff is derived. The famous city of York was during Roman times called Eboracum, from whence the traditional progenitor of the PAGE family --- Hugo de Pageham (Hugo Page) -- reportedly came. Quoting from my book of 1992: "According to research done in England circa 1917 by Charles Nash Page of Point Lomas, California, in the year 12561257 King Henry III of England who had a palace at Eboracum sent a Sir Hugo, Knight (Hugo de Pageham of Ebor [sic, Eboracum, an ancient Roman city which is presentday York, England, where there was a palace of King Henry III], Yorkshire on an important mission to the King of Spain. He was supposedly knighted in 1260 by Henry III, and his title was proclaimed by the heralds giving notice that he was subsequently to be known as Sir Hugo Page. From that time on, Page was adopted as his family name.[Charles N. Page, "History and Genealogy of the Page Family From the Year 1257 to the Present" (Des Moines: By the author, 1917), p. 16.] "Hugonem Pageham and Robertum de la Barre are referred to in Thomas Rymer's "Foedera (Acts of the Kings of England)" in 41st (year of the reign of) Henry III, A.D. 1257, where the letter to the King of Spain is written in Latin. The only short reference to the couriers themselves is also in Latin dated 15 September 1257: "Ifta littera duplicata fuit & miffa Regi Hyfpanie per Robertum de la Barre & Hugonem de Pageham> die Mercurii proximo ante feftum Saniti Mathaei Apoftoli. [Thomas Rhymer, "Foedera, Acts Publica, Conventiones, Literae of the Kings of England."Vol. I (London, 1702, reprinted 1727), under A.D. 1257, 41. H.3., pp. 6389. Library of Congress call JX636, 1702 and/or 1727. The "f" should be interpreted as "s".] Sir Hugo, de Pageham appears several times in the "Close Rolls" of King Henry III 1254-56, and is referred to as a esquire in the armed service of the king "servientibus regis ad arma" ["Calendar of Close Rolls," 1255 (39 Henry III), p. 81.] An Alice is referred to in the "Close Rolls" in 1258 as the wife of Page. [Ibid., 1258, p. 220.] Hugo de Paggham, a king's manatarms, apparently was made a knight the same year, and was again mentioned together with a Rogero de Paggeham, and others.[Ibid., pp. 230 and 332.] In 1259 he is referred to as Henrico Page regarding his military service to the king in Wasconia (Gascony, in France). [Ibid., p. 405.] A Robertum Page is next mentioned in a proclamation in 1266.["Close Rolls" 1264-68, p. 204.] A Richard Page and Johannes de Pabeham are also mentioned in 1267 (51 Henry III).[Ibid., p. 365.] Alas poor Hugo, for it appears that Hugo de Pageham, and others, were ordered to be captured and detained in the king's prison at de Pageham for the death of Roger de Belsham in Sussex in 1267.[Ibid., p. 417.] ... " George W. Page

I would like to hear from anyone who has information on the family of Solomon and Jane Page who appear in the 1850 census of McNairy Co., TN. Apparently they moved to McNairy Co. between 1830 and 1840. E. J. Wilson

Good afternoon, Does anyone have information on John G. and Johnston Page? They are found in MARION CO. TN in 1840. Ages range to be 30ish. Also, searching for the parents of Edward Page born in TN or GA(?) 7th June,1828 ,married Aley Davis before 1849. He died in Dade Co. GA. 16th February, 1904 at 75yr of age. Edward and Aley had the following children: John Page born circa 1849, Margaret Jane born 16th Nov.1850, Siney Eizabeth born Aug.1854, William Sr. born 8th Jan.1858, Sarah born Oct.1859, Ephraim James born Oct.1865, all in GA. Thank you, Suzie

At last I have heard back from Oxford Ancestors, and our messages are below. They have written good news, but they thought we would only have ten. We are still missing the participation with address of a male PAGE proven to be from the line of John and Phoebe (Payne) Page of MA. This is the first PAGE line in America, and a very important one. What a shame not to have a representative from that line because they don't feel they can afford the reduced rate of $150! The cost ($150) is a small investment to be made which will help their posterity, as well as help the rest of us create the database of DNA fingerprints. IF you are a male PAGE anywhere in the world, please contact me ASAP with your name and address and agreement to participate, whether or not you know your Page line. George W. Page __________ >Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:35:35 -0500 >To: Oxford Ancestors <[email protected]> >From: "George W. Page" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Y-Line™ Testing of PAGE males. > >Great! Thank you for your positive response via E-mail. I posted a letter >Air Mail to you yesterday listing more names. > >I will send you the names with addresses of about 25 PAGEs from worldwide >locations as soon as I correspond once more to a few undecided individuals. >Will I have the opportunity to add more names and address at a later date >and have them receive the reduced rate? > >Sincerely, > >George W. Page >+++++++++++++++= >At 06:26 PM 1/24/2001 +0000, you wrote: >>on 13/1/01 6:00 pm, George W. Page at [email protected] wrote: >> >> > I contacted Oxford Ancestors before about Y chromosome testing system that >> > you previously discussed on your website! >> > >> > Now that you have apparently abandoned the "Male Match" scheme for >> > something that looks even better, and your prices seem reasonable --- >> > Y-Line™, which uses ten different independent genetic systems to construct >> > a Y-chromosome fingerprint, is the test we desire. >> > >> > I have contacted several males with the surname PAGE, and we want to >> > establish baselines of our various lines of PAGEs who immigrated to >> > America, Australia, Canada, or remained in the UK, and compare them. I >> > would like to submit these names with their postal addresses to your firm >> > and have your firm send them individual kits for testing at the reduced >> > rate for the quantity involved. They would of course pay you directly and >> > receive their individual results back. We would then voluntarily compare >> > the results with each other. >> > >> > I have between 6 and 10 now , but the number is growing. Would this >> > procedure be agreeable to your firm, and would we qualify for the reduced >> > rate based upon the number of names and addresses I send you? >> > >> > Sincerely yours, >> > >> > George W. Page >> > 1100 Cataway Place >> > Bryans Road, MD, 20616 >> > USA >> > (301)283-2275 >> >>Dear Mr Page >> >>We would be delighted to receive orders from the Page family and are >>delighted you have had such a good response. As to discounts, what I suggest >>is that we do as you suggest and apply the discounts according to who places >>an order. It sounds as if you will be eligible for the maximum discount if >>you have already recruited ten Pages. That kicks in for more than 10 tests. >> >>If you supply us with the names and addresses we will send kits out. >> >>Sincerely >> >>Oxford Ancestors

Chris is correct, but generally the reference is to: county Norfolk, county Middlesex, etc., with the word county in lower case. I sometimes use the American and British forms in my messages with no intention of being disrespectful or rude, and hope I won't be flamed for that too! George W. Page ________________ At 01:06 PM 1/24/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hello George & List, > >I hope that you do not mind my mentioning it but - please remember that >addresses in England are not referred to in the American style. By that I >mean that there is no such place as Norfolk County, Suffolk County, Yorkshire >County etc. etc. An address should simply state Norfolk, England or (if you >insist) the County of Norfolk, England, though this is not used in England >today. NEVER,NEVER, Norfolk County, England. >As a further point of interest Ormesby is in Yorkshire. There is however, >Ormesby Saint Margaret, Norfolk, England, which is near to Caister. > >Regards, Chris. >P.S. In respect of the other ongoing 'thread' - What on earth has happened to >everyones sense of humour?

Hello George & List, I hope that you do not mind my mentioning it but - please remember that addresses in England are not referred to in the American style. By that I mean that there is no such place as Norfolk County, Suffolk County, Yorkshire County etc. etc. An address should simply state Norfolk, England or (if you insist) the County of Norfolk, England, though this is not used in England today. NEVER,NEVER, Norfolk County, England. As a further point of interest Ormesby is in Yorkshire. There is however, Ormesby Saint Margaret, Norfolk, England, which is near to Caister. Regards, Chris. P.S. In respect of the other ongoing 'thread' - What on earth has happened to everyones sense of humour?

From my book, "The Descendants of Robart Page of the King's House ..." written in 1992: "The will of James Page of Acle was made 2 December 1534 and proved at Acle on 16 January 1535, naming a Henry Page of Acle and James Hall, a mariner, of Fleggeborough as executors. [Archdeaconary Court of Norwich, 1529-536, fo. 152.]" Further details of this will, and others, are found in George Walter Chamberlain's, "The English Ancestry of Robert Page of Hampton, N.H.," in NEHG Register, Vol. 66, April 1912, pp. 180-183. Nothing further seems to be known about that Henry as the next information I have about the PAGEs of Acle concerned the will of Robert Page of Acle, husbandman, made 20 Apr. 1587 and proved at Acle on 15 May 1587, who mentions his sons Edmund Page and Robert Page and his daughters Cicely and Margaret and his wife Martha. Robert Page was no doubt related to the foregoing Henry Page, but there is no known proof of a father-son relationship. George W. Page ______________ At 09:00 AM 1/24/2001 -0800, "Cheryl" <[email protected]> wrote: >Hi George, > >First of all, I'm having a little trouble getting acknowledgements on the >things I have posted...maybe, I doing it wrong. So if you receive this, >please acknowledge. Otherwise, I will know I am, indeed, doing it wrong! > >I also am looking for Henry Page...b abt 1535, England, d Abt 1582 England, >m. 154- Acles, Norfolk, England. If you happen upon it, please let me know. >Cheryl Williams >[email protected] >----- Original Message ----- >From: "George W. Page" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 8:36 AM >Subject: Re: [PAGE] Henry Page abt 1535 Eng. > > > At 10:32 AM 1/24/2001 -0500, Carolyn J Nelson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >I am looking for parents and ancestors of Henry Page who was born abt > > >1535 Eng. Died abt 1582. Carolyn > > > > Thee and me too! > > > > I have been working for several months with local historians and > > professionals to obtain wills and chancery records of PAGE families from > > that period in England. > > I have found that just in county Middlesex alone that there were several > > Henry PAGEs of that period of different social classes, but not one who > > fits who fit your description. > > > > Can you furnish and clues as to the county location in Eng. , or the > > descendants of this Henry Page? > > Which Page line are you working on? > > > > Be advised that much of the information provided c. 1917 by C.N. Page >about > > Henry Page of Wembley, co. Middlesex, and his ancestors and descendants >has > > been proven to be wrong! > > > > George W. Page > > > >> ==== PAGE Mailing List ==== > > PAGE list website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/PAGE.htm > >

At 10:32 AM 1/24/2001 -0500, Carolyn J Nelson <[email protected]> wrote: >I am looking for parents and ancestors of Henry Page who was born abt >1535 Eng. Died abt 1582. Carolyn Thee and me too! I have been working for several months with local historians and professionals to obtain wills and chancery records of PAGE families from that period in England. I have found that just in county Middlesex alone that there were several Henry PAGEs of that period of different social classes, but not one who fits who fit your description. Can you furnish and clues as to the county location in Eng. , or the descendants of this Henry Page? Which Page line are you working on? Be advised that much of the information provided c. 1917 by C.N. Page about Henry Page of Wembley, co. Middlesex, and his ancestors and descendants has been proven to be wrong! George W. Page

At 08:26 AM 1/24/2001 -0800, CHARLES S BRACK <[email protected]> wrote: >Has there been a genealogy done on the family and descendants of John >PAGE and wife Phoebe PAYNE of Watertown and Groton, MA, 1630 onward? > >All I have is the names and I would like to know more about them. > >thanks, Charles Yes, both onward and backward! G. Andrews Moriarty, A.M., L.L.B., F.A.S.G., F.S.A., "Genealogical Research in England - Page" NEHG Register, Vol. 101, July 1947, pp. 242-245. G. Andrews Moriarty, A.M., L.L.B., F.A.S.G., F.S.A., "The Page Family of Danvers, Mass." NEHG Register, Vol. 105, Jan. 1951, pp. 25-32, and p. 154. Under the Page family in Bond's, "History of Watertown," p. 383 quoted in NEHG Register, Vol. 65. July 1911, pp. 297-298. Genealogical Chart #2 by Charles Nash Page of Point Loma, CA, 1917 found in the Library of Congress. Information about the Payne and Page Families of Lavenham, co. Suffolk, Eng. as taken from excerpts from the parish records there is found in NEHG Register Vol. 69, July 1915, pp. 251-251. Detailed biographical info about G. Andrews Moriarty, A.M., L.L.B., F.A.S.G., F.S.A. (1883-1968) is found in NEHG Register, Vol. 123, Jan. 1969, pp. 3-5. The New England Historic and Genealogical (NEHG) Register, Vol. 1 (1847) -148 (1994) is available on CD-ROM with a condensed index of persons, but not subjects or places! George W. Page

I am looking for parents and ancestors of Henry Page who was born abt 1535 Eng. Died abt 1582. Carolyn

Hello Fellow Page Researchers, Let's get back to our research. Cathy Page Jennings researching Alexander E. Page b.1820-21 KY