In a message dated 1/31/2001 7:45:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Sir- > > My family is participating in the Y-Line testing coordinated by George W. > Page. I have some questions that maybe you could answer for me in laymens > terms: > > 1. If two men of the same surname have identical Y-chromosome genetic data, > it means they have a common paternal ancestor, right? But how recently? A > common ancestor within the last 500 years? 1000 years? 10,000 Years? How > far back do you have to go for the Y-chromosome genetic data of two men with > a common paternal ancestor to be different. Will the Y-chromosome genetic > data for two men with a common paternal ancestor 10,000 years ago look the > same as if they were first cousins? If so, what good is y-line testing > except to identify lines broken by adoptions? The Y-chromosome genetic content changes slightly over time. I think that out of several dozen matching Jefferson descendants in the Thomas Jefferson - Sally Hemmings study they found one male descendant who had a change by a count of one in a single marker in about 200 years. We won't know how well the Y-line testing distinguishes various Page lines until we see the results of this pilot study, but I expect that 1) There will probably be several totally unrelated Page families (after all, "Page" is a generic name, like "Smith.") 2) There will probably be several clusters of Page descendants not known to be related who in fact had a common ancestor back in the old country. If this common ancestor was far enough back, we may see slight changes in the DNA markers that will help sort out the descendants of different Page progenitors in the New World (that is, if we're really lucky). The worst-case scenario would be that every Page in the study has exactly the same DNA markers. But even that would be interesting to know... 8-) > 2. If the genetic data changes a known amount for every so many generations, > then you could tell roughly how closely two people were related. For Y-line > testing, what is this accuracy? Plus or minus how many generations? Lots of generations, I'm afraid. > Thanks very much for your help. > > Dick Hamly You have some very good questions here. Whatever we find out, this DNA study will be quite an adventure, and maybe some of your questions will be answered by the results we get. --Patricia Page Wilcox

Dear All, I couldn't believe my eyes - what a coincidence! Regrettably, I cannot help with the actual enquiry but I can confirm that certainly in England the PAGEs did intermarry with the DEWs. This was in the 1890s in Essex when John James PAGE married Bessie Bowles DEW in Waltham Abbey. A grandson of this marriage has been living in USA since approx 1960. My husband is the gt grandson of John and Bessie. Our research is only in the early stages and, at the moment, we assume that we have no connection to any other PAGE family in USA, but who knows what future research may discover in earlier generations. Regards, Chris

Sir- My family is participating in the Y-Line testing coordinated by George W. Page. I have some questions that maybe you could answer for me in laymens terms: 1. If two men of the same surname have identical Y-chromosome genetic data, it means they have a common paternal ancestor, right? But how recently? A common ancestor within the last 500 years? 1000 years? 10,000 Years? How far back do you have to go for the Y-chromosome genetic data of two men with a common paternal ancestor to be different. Will the Y-chromosome genetic data for two men with a common paternal ancestor 10,000 years ago look the same as if they were first cousins? If so, what good is y-line testing except to identify lines broken by adoptions? 2. If the genetic data changes a known amount for every so many generations, then you could tell roughly how closely two people were related. For Y-line testing, what is this accuracy? Plus or minus how many generations? Thanks very much for your help. Dick Hamly

> Hello, > > I would like to request that John Page <<18. John Page, Mocksville, NC > descended from Thomas PAGE (b.ca.1633-ENG) who married Alice HEARN > (b.ca.1642-VA) in Isle of Wight county, VA; >>> get in touch with me. > I descend from the same folks.......I would love to hear from you, John. > > ~malinda jones > > "George W. Page" wrote: > > > The letter to Oxford Ancestors has been sent today (30 Jan. 2001) with 33 > > names and addresses! > > The letter, with the postal addresses deleted for privacy,of the > > individuals participating is below. > > > > The best (and only useful) results any of us will get from the test is to > > compare the results amongst ourselves. > > The tested male PAGEs are encouraged to post their individual numerical > > results on the <[email protected]> website and/or send them to me to for > > analysis. > > > > I will compare them against what I know of their individual PAGE ancestral > > background to try and formulate (or identify) the various Page family lines > > by number. > > These lines will be posted on <[email protected]> as specific numbers > > for each different line so that individuals can in the future better > > determine their Page line when and if they are tested. > > > > I also hope to receive a generalized report of the results from the folks > > at Oxford University too, but they will be concerned with matters of > > individual privacy. > > For that reason they will not send me the individual results of each test. > > They will not retain the individual results of the tests. > > > > The lab and individual responsible (Prof. Bryan Sykes) for the testing can > > be found at: > > http://phoenix.jr2.ox.ac.uk/cgg/ > > > > Thanks for participating! Please follow the instructions you receive with > > the kit, take the test, and return the brush and your check ASAP. > > > > I will try and submit additional names and addresses that I receive by > > e-mail to Oxford Ancestors and hope they honor the reduced price for the > > late arrivals. > > > > George W. Page > > ______________ > > Prof. Bryan C. Sykes > > Cellular Genetics Group (CGC) > > Room 276, Institute of Molecular Medicine > > University of Oxford > > Oxford OX3 9DS > > ENGLAND > > > > I understand that you and C.G.C. as Oxford Ancestors now has a Y-chromosome > > DNA testing system and have apparently abandoned the "Male Match" scheme > > for something that looks even better. The price of $150 (100£) agreed to in > > an e-mail to me seems reasonable. The following named male PAGEs, above the > > age of 16, have agreed to participate in your Y-Line™ DNA test for this > > fee, so please sent them test kit(s)directly. > > > > 1. & 2. George W. Page & cousin, Joe Page, descended from George Page of > > Branford, CT (b. 1635) from Kent, Eng. (Lineage traced back to 1300s); > > > > 3. & 4. Cecil Wray Page & a cousin, of the Col. John Page of Williamsburg, > > VA (b. 1627) from Bedfont and Harrow on the Hill, co. Middlesex, Eng.; > > > > 5 . & 6. John W. Page and Dan Page who trace their ancestry to > > Exolheath/Axelheath Page of VA 1754-1775; > > > > 7. James F. Page of Rep. of Panama from the Page line of Dr. John Page of > > Sherman, New Fairfield, CT who was the father of Jonathan and John Page > > who were signers of New Fairfield partitions as early as 1747, when > > Jonathan and his 1st wife (probably Lydia) were m.; > > > > 8 Charles E. Page of Oneida Co., NY of the line of John Page of Haverhill, > > MA immigrated from co. Norfolk, Eng. early 1600s His line may have > > originated in co. Suffolk; > > > > 9. Ronald W. Page of the line of Christopher Page/Paige, born 1796 (if age > > 65 in 1860 census LaCrosse Co, WI) in NY (if state listed is correct); > > > > 10. Michael Page from Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, Eng.; > > > > 11. Donald W. Page of Titusville, FL of the line of Robert Page (m. Rachel > > Brockman) of Goochland Co., VA and Spartanburg, SC, c. 1750, possibly from > > the Axelheath Page line of VA; > > > > 12. Bob Page of Danvers, MA of the line of Pages of St Margaret’s Ormesby, > > co. Norfolk, Eng., c.. 1500; > > > > 13. Warren Edward Page III of Summerfield, FL from a North Carolina line of > > PAGEs that may have come from VA; > > > > 14. Robert Page of Houston, TX from a line of 1600s Rotherhithe area > > origin, S.E. London, UK (possibly from the Kentish or co. Middlesex Pages); > > > > 15. Mathew A. Page of Jackson, MS a possibly a descendant of Joseph Page > > Sr. of Monmouth Co, NJ, possibly from the line of Robert Page of Ormesby, > > co. Norfolk, Eng.. > > > > 16. Ralph Page of Simi Valley, CA from an unknown line; > > > > 17. Mike Page of Alberta, Canada descended from a William F Page who > > married a Delilah Moore in Bourbon County KY in Dec 1813; > > > > 18. John Page, Mocksville, NC descended from Thomas PAGE (b.ca.1633-ENG) > > who married Alice HEARN (b.ca.1642-VA) in Isle of Wight county, VA; > > > > 19. & 20. Leland Page of McLean, VA and Thomas Page Mericle (born a Page) > > of Bodega Bay, CA. Their ancestor is Samuel PAGE of Smithville, Canada, in > > the early 1800s. The town was then named Middleport. This is in what is > > now Ontario, Lincoln County, Gainsborough Township. Samuel Page born c. > > 1770 died 6 Sept 1825/buried Dundas Cemetery, Ontario, Canada. Spouse: > > Hannah Cornell, b. 1773 - d. 1851 remarried David House, Smithville, > > Ontario. Canada. > > > > 21. John E. Paige, of Brunswick, Maine descended from 1600 in the > > Alverstoke/Portsmouth/Gosport area of Hampshire, Eng. connects up with the > > Kent and Middlesex branches; > > > > 22. Jerry Page La Pine, OR from the line of Thomas Page m .Sarah Robbins > > on 8 Sep. 1742, in Walpole, MA; > > > > 23. William Eugene “Gene” Page, IV of Micanopy, FL of the North End Branch > > of the Col. John Page of Williamsburg, VA (b. 1627) from Bedfont, co. > > Middlesex, Eng. > > > > 24. Ed Page of Chelan, WA from a line of Pages traced to Cattaraugus Co., > > NY c. 1830s-1840s. > > > > 25. Estrich Woodward Page of Poquosan, WA traced to William L. Page, b.c. > > 1802/3 Richmond/Goochland Co., VA > > > > 26. Ronald Page of Oklahoma City a descendant of a James Page, presumably > > born somewhere in South > > Carolina in about 1805 (or 1814) thought to be descended from a Lewis Page, > > who moved from Virginia to North Carolina sometime around 1795. > > > > 27. Robert E. Page descended from Abraham Page, b.c. 1700 of early North > > Carolina, who may be descended from co. Middlesex Pages, or the Pages of > > Colonial Williamsburg. > > > > 28. Richard Kent Page, 7320 Authon Dr., Dallas, TX 75248 USA (a cousin of > > more than one of the tested group - a test to see if they can determine who > > are his cousins?). > > > > 29. Frederick L. Page of Yorktown, VA a descended from Jeremiah Page, b.c. > > 1736 [possible county Norfolk, England] immigrated, abt 1751 to New London, > > CT then to Columbus, NY abt 1798, d. 1814 Columbus, NY, Married Polly Ames, > > b.c. 1740 - d. 1824 Columbus, NY. > > > > 30. Jim Page of Sandy, UT a descended from a Charles Page from Ellis County > > TX around Ennis in 1870s who later moved to Cordell, OK. > > > > 31. Raymond A. Page of Norwich, co. Norfolk, Eng. from a line from Suffolk > > and Norfolk, Eng.. > > > > 32. George A. Page of Plainfield, IN probably descended from John and > > Phoebe (Payne) Page who immigrated to New England in 1630 from Boxted, co. > > Essex. > > > > 33. Edwin R. Page/Paige of Westbrookville, NY a descended from PAGEs from > > southeastern NY, TriState area, since England established Great Lots in > > colonial times. His grandfather and great-grandfather both had the first > > name of Archibald. His great-great-great-grandfather was named Richard Page. > > > > I received E-mail verification that your firm will honor the reduced fee > > ($150) for these (over ten) participants, and the same price for additional > > PAGE surnamed individuals with their addresses that I send in the future. I > > am sure that as soon as information about the results of these tests are > > returned to the tested individuals more PAGEs will want to be tested. > > > > Please confirm my understanding of the steps to be followed, which are > > believed to be as follows: > > > > Step 1. “Oxford Ancestors” agrees to perform the tests for the reduced fee > > of $150. > > Step 2. You will post the DNA sampling kit to the people at the addresses > > furnished. This contains the small brush used to collect cells from the > > inner cheek easily and painlessly. > > Step 3. The tested males will return the DNA brush with their payment > > cheque. It will not be banked until the results have been mailed back to > > them. Expect delivery within 28 days of our receipt of your sample. > > Step 4. “Oxford Ancestors” agrees they will not use the DNA for any other > > purpose than the tests we have requested. Your results will be disclosed > > only to them, and their DNA will be destroyed after the results have been > > posted back to them. > > Step 5. We will of course want to share the DNA results (marker numbers) > > with each other to help us sort out the various Page family lines both in > > America and abroad. > > > > We would also appreciate a generalized report of the conclusions of the > > test results that protects the privacy rights of the individuals tested. > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > ==== PAGE Mailing List ==== > > PAGE list website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/PAGE.htm

I am hoping to find a marriage between the Page family and the Dew family. The marriage would probably have occurred in Virginia about 1750 or earlier. One of my ancestors was Elizabeth Page Dews b.~1780 m. ~1805 to Thomas Black Jr. in Halifax County, VA. Elizabeth's father was John Dews and she had a brother Rueben. Family tradition is that the Dews and Pages were related. Any information you may have will be appreciated.

Hello, I would like to request that John Page <<18. John Page, Mocksville, NC descended from Thomas PAGE (b.ca.1633-ENG) who married Alice HEARN (b.ca.1642-VA) in Isle of Wight county, VA; >>> get in touch with me. I descend from the same folks.......I would love to hear from you, John. ~malinda jones "George W. Page" wrote: > The letter to Oxford Ancestors has been sent today (30 Jan. 2001) with 33 > names and addresses! > The letter, with the postal addresses deleted for privacy,of the > individuals participating is below. > > The best (and only useful) results any of us will get from the test is to > compare the results amongst ourselves. > The tested male PAGEs are encouraged to post their individual numerical > results on the <[email protected]> website and/or send them to me to for > analysis. > > I will compare them against what I know of their individual PAGE ancestral > background to try and formulate (or identify) the various Page family lines > by number. > These lines will be posted on <[email protected]> as specific numbers > for each different line so that individuals can in the future better > determine their Page line when and if they are tested. > > I also hope to receive a generalized report of the results from the folks > at Oxford University too, but they will be concerned with matters of > individual privacy. > For that reason they will not send me the individual results of each test. > They will not retain the individual results of the tests. > > The lab and individual responsible (Prof. Bryan Sykes) for the testing can > be found at: > http://phoenix.jr2.ox.ac.uk/cgg/ > > Thanks for participating! Please follow the instructions you receive with > the kit, take the test, and return the brush and your check ASAP. > > I will try and submit additional names and addresses that I receive by > e-mail to Oxford Ancestors and hope they honor the reduced price for the > late arrivals. > > George W. Page > ______________ > Prof. Bryan C. Sykes > Cellular Genetics Group (CGC) > Room 276, Institute of Molecular Medicine > University of Oxford > Oxford OX3 9DS > ENGLAND > > I understand that you and C.G.C. as Oxford Ancestors now has a Y-chromosome > DNA testing system and have apparently abandoned the "Male Match" scheme > for something that looks even better. The price of $150 (100£) agreed to in > an e-mail to me seems reasonable. The following named male PAGEs, above the > age of 16, have agreed to participate in your Y-Line™ DNA test for this > fee, so please sent them test kit(s)directly. > > 1. & 2. George W. Page & cousin, Joe Page, descended from George Page of > Branford, CT (b. 1635) from Kent, Eng. (Lineage traced back to 1300s); > > 3. & 4. Cecil Wray Page & a cousin, of the Col. John Page of Williamsburg, > VA (b. 1627) from Bedfont and Harrow on the Hill, co. Middlesex, Eng.; > > 5 . & 6. John W. Page and Dan Page who trace their ancestry to > Exolheath/Axelheath Page of VA 1754-1775; > > 7. James F. Page of Rep. of Panama from the Page line of Dr. John Page of > Sherman, New Fairfield, CT who was the father of Jonathan and John Page > who were signers of New Fairfield partitions as early as 1747, when > Jonathan and his 1st wife (probably Lydia) were m.; > > 8 Charles E. Page of Oneida Co., NY of the line of John Page of Haverhill, > MA immigrated from co. Norfolk, Eng. early 1600s His line may have > originated in co. Suffolk; > > 9. Ronald W. Page of the line of Christopher Page/Paige, born 1796 (if age > 65 in 1860 census LaCrosse Co, WI) in NY (if state listed is correct); > > 10. Michael Page from Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, Eng.; > > 11. Donald W. Page of Titusville, FL of the line of Robert Page (m. Rachel > Brockman) of Goochland Co., VA and Spartanburg, SC, c. 1750, possibly from > the Axelheath Page line of VA; > > 12. Bob Page of Danvers, MA of the line of Pages of St Margaret’s Ormesby, > co. Norfolk, Eng., c.. 1500; > > 13. Warren Edward Page III of Summerfield, FL from a North Carolina line of > PAGEs that may have come from VA; > > 14. Robert Page of Houston, TX from a line of 1600s Rotherhithe area > origin, S.E. London, UK (possibly from the Kentish or co. Middlesex Pages); > > 15. Mathew A. Page of Jackson, MS a possibly a descendant of Joseph Page > Sr. of Monmouth Co, NJ, possibly from the line of Robert Page of Ormesby, > co. Norfolk, Eng.. > > 16. Ralph Page of Simi Valley, CA from an unknown line; > > 17. Mike Page of Alberta, Canada descended from a William F Page who > married a Delilah Moore in Bourbon County KY in Dec 1813; > > 18. John Page, Mocksville, NC descended from Thomas PAGE (b.ca.1633-ENG) > who married Alice HEARN (b.ca.1642-VA) in Isle of Wight county, VA; > > 19. & 20. Leland Page of McLean, VA and Thomas Page Mericle (born a Page) > of Bodega Bay, CA. Their ancestor is Samuel PAGE of Smithville, Canada, in > the early 1800s. The town was then named Middleport. This is in what is > now Ontario, Lincoln County, Gainsborough Township. Samuel Page born c. > 1770 died 6 Sept 1825/buried Dundas Cemetery, Ontario, Canada. Spouse: > Hannah Cornell, b. 1773 - d. 1851 remarried David House, Smithville, > Ontario. Canada. > > 21. John E. Paige, of Brunswick, Maine descended from 1600 in the > Alverstoke/Portsmouth/Gosport area of Hampshire, Eng. connects up with the > Kent and Middlesex branches; > > 22. Jerry Page La Pine, OR from the line of Thomas Page m .Sarah Robbins > on 8 Sep. 1742, in Walpole, MA; > > 23. William Eugene “Gene” Page, IV of Micanopy, FL of the North End Branch > of the Col. John Page of Williamsburg, VA (b. 1627) from Bedfont, co. > Middlesex, Eng. > > 24. Ed Page of Chelan, WA from a line of Pages traced to Cattaraugus Co., > NY c. 1830s-1840s. > > 25. Estrich Woodward Page of Poquosan, WA traced to William L. Page, b.c. > 1802/3 Richmond/Goochland Co., VA > > 26. Ronald Page of Oklahoma City a descendant of a James Page, presumably > born somewhere in South > Carolina in about 1805 (or 1814) thought to be descended from a Lewis Page, > who moved from Virginia to North Carolina sometime around 1795. > > 27. Robert E. Page descended from Abraham Page, b.c. 1700 of early North > Carolina, who may be descended from co. Middlesex Pages, or the Pages of > Colonial Williamsburg. > > 28. Richard Kent Page, 7320 Authon Dr., Dallas, TX 75248 USA (a cousin of > more than one of the tested group - a test to see if they can determine who > are his cousins?). > > 29. Frederick L. Page of Yorktown, VA a descended from Jeremiah Page, b.c. > 1736 [possible county Norfolk, England] immigrated, abt 1751 to New London, > CT then to Columbus, NY abt 1798, d. 1814 Columbus, NY, Married Polly Ames, > b.c. 1740 - d. 1824 Columbus, NY. > > 30. Jim Page of Sandy, UT a descended from a Charles Page from Ellis County > TX around Ennis in 1870s who later moved to Cordell, OK. > > 31. Raymond A. Page of Norwich, co. Norfolk, Eng. from a line from Suffolk > and Norfolk, Eng.. > > 32. George A. Page of Plainfield, IN probably descended from John and > Phoebe (Payne) Page who immigrated to New England in 1630 from Boxted, co. > Essex. > > 33. Edwin R. Page/Paige of Westbrookville, NY a descended from PAGEs from > southeastern NY, TriState area, since England established Great Lots in > colonial times. His grandfather and great-grandfather both had the first > name of Archibald. His great-great-great-grandfather was named Richard Page. > > I received E-mail verification that your firm will honor the reduced fee > ($150) for these (over ten) participants, and the same price for additional > PAGE surnamed individuals with their addresses that I send in the future. I > am sure that as soon as information about the results of these tests are > returned to the tested individuals more PAGEs will want to be tested. > > Please confirm my understanding of the steps to be followed, which are > believed to be as follows: > > Step 1. “Oxford Ancestors” agrees to perform the tests for the reduced fee > of $150. > Step 2. You will post the DNA sampling kit to the people at the addresses > furnished. This contains the small brush used to collect cells from the > inner cheek easily and painlessly. > Step 3. The tested males will return the DNA brush with their payment > cheque. It will not be banked until the results have been mailed back to > them. Expect delivery within 28 days of our receipt of your sample. > Step 4. “Oxford Ancestors” agrees they will not use the DNA for any other > purpose than the tests we have requested. Your results will be disclosed > only to them, and their DNA will be destroyed after the results have been > posted back to them. > Step 5. We will of course want to share the DNA results (marker numbers) > with each other to help us sort out the various Page family lines both in > America and abroad. > > We would also appreciate a generalized report of the conclusions of the > test results that protects the privacy rights of the individuals tested. > > Sincerely yours, > > ==== PAGE Mailing List ==== > PAGE list website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/PAGE.htm

The letter to Oxford Ancestors has been sent today (30 Jan. 2001) with 33 names and addresses! The letter, with the postal addresses deleted for privacy,of the individuals participating is below. The best (and only useful) results any of us will get from the test is to compare the results amongst ourselves. The tested male PAGEs are encouraged to post their individual numerical results on the <[email protected]> website and/or send them to me to for analysis. I will compare them against what I know of their individual PAGE ancestral background to try and formulate (or identify) the various Page family lines by number. These lines will be posted on <[email protected]> as specific numbers for each different line so that individuals can in the future better determine their Page line when and if they are tested. I also hope to receive a generalized report of the results from the folks at Oxford University too, but they will be concerned with matters of individual privacy. For that reason they will not send me the individual results of each test. They will not retain the individual results of the tests. The lab and individual responsible (Prof. Bryan Sykes) for the testing can be found at: http://phoenix.jr2.ox.ac.uk/cgg/ Thanks for participating! Please follow the instructions you receive with the kit, take the test, and return the brush and your check ASAP. I will try and submit additional names and addresses that I receive by e-mail to Oxford Ancestors and hope they honor the reduced price for the late arrivals. George W. Page ______________ Prof. Bryan C. Sykes Cellular Genetics Group (CGC) Room 276, Institute of Molecular Medicine University of Oxford Oxford OX3 9DS ENGLAND I understand that you and C.G.C. as Oxford Ancestors now has a Y-chromosome DNA testing system and have apparently abandoned the "Male Match" scheme for something that looks even better. The price of $150 (100£) agreed to in an e-mail to me seems reasonable. The following named male PAGEs, above the age of 16, have agreed to participate in your Y-Line™ DNA test for this fee, so please sent them test kit(s)directly. 1. & 2. George W. Page & cousin, Joe Page, descended from George Page of Branford, CT (b. 1635) from Kent, Eng. (Lineage traced back to 1300s); 3. & 4. Cecil Wray Page & a cousin, of the Col. John Page of Williamsburg, VA (b. 1627) from Bedfont and Harrow on the Hill, co. Middlesex, Eng.; 5 . & 6. John W. Page and Dan Page who trace their ancestry to Exolheath/Axelheath Page of VA 1754-1775; 7. James F. Page of Rep. of Panama from the Page line of Dr. John Page of Sherman, New Fairfield, CT who was the father of Jonathan and John Page who were signers of New Fairfield partitions as early as 1747, when Jonathan and his 1st wife (probably Lydia) were m.; 8 Charles E. Page of Oneida Co., NY of the line of John Page of Haverhill, MA immigrated from co. Norfolk, Eng. early 1600s His line may have originated in co. Suffolk; 9. Ronald W. Page of the line of Christopher Page/Paige, born 1796 (if age 65 in 1860 census LaCrosse Co, WI) in NY (if state listed is correct); 10. Michael Page from Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, Eng.; 11. Donald W. Page of Titusville, FL of the line of Robert Page (m. Rachel Brockman) of Goochland Co., VA and Spartanburg, SC, c. 1750, possibly from the Axelheath Page line of VA; 12. Bob Page of Danvers, MA of the line of Pages of St Margaret’s Ormesby, co. Norfolk, Eng., c.. 1500; 13. Warren Edward Page III of Summerfield, FL from a North Carolina line of PAGEs that may have come from VA; 14. Robert Page of Houston, TX from a line of 1600s Rotherhithe area origin, S.E. London, UK (possibly from the Kentish or co. Middlesex Pages); 15. Mathew A. Page of Jackson, MS a possibly a descendant of Joseph Page Sr. of Monmouth Co, NJ, possibly from the line of Robert Page of Ormesby, co. Norfolk, Eng.. 16. Ralph Page of Simi Valley, CA from an unknown line; 17. Mike Page of Alberta, Canada descended from a William F Page who married a Delilah Moore in Bourbon County KY in Dec 1813; 18. John Page, Mocksville, NC descended from Thomas PAGE (b.ca.1633-ENG) who married Alice HEARN (b.ca.1642-VA) in Isle of Wight county, VA; 19. & 20. Leland Page of McLean, VA and Thomas Page Mericle (born a Page) of Bodega Bay, CA. Their ancestor is Samuel PAGE of Smithville, Canada, in the early 1800s. The town was then named Middleport. This is in what is now Ontario, Lincoln County, Gainsborough Township. Samuel Page born c. 1770 died 6 Sept 1825/buried Dundas Cemetery, Ontario, Canada. Spouse: Hannah Cornell, b. 1773 - d. 1851 remarried David House, Smithville, Ontario. Canada. 21. John E. Paige, of Brunswick, Maine descended from 1600 in the Alverstoke/Portsmouth/Gosport area of Hampshire, Eng. connects up with the Kent and Middlesex branches; 22. Jerry Page La Pine, OR from the line of Thomas Page m .Sarah Robbins on 8 Sep. 1742, in Walpole, MA; 23. William Eugene “Gene” Page, IV of Micanopy, FL of the North End Branch of the Col. John Page of Williamsburg, VA (b. 1627) from Bedfont, co. Middlesex, Eng. 24. Ed Page of Chelan, WA from a line of Pages traced to Cattaraugus Co., NY c. 1830s-1840s. 25. Estrich Woodward Page of Poquosan, WA traced to William L. Page, b.c. 1802/3 Richmond/Goochland Co., VA 26. Ronald Page of Oklahoma City a descendant of a James Page, presumably born somewhere in South Carolina in about 1805 (or 1814) thought to be descended from a Lewis Page, who moved from Virginia to North Carolina sometime around 1795. 27. Robert E. Page descended from Abraham Page, b.c. 1700 of early North Carolina, who may be descended from co. Middlesex Pages, or the Pages of Colonial Williamsburg. 28. Richard Kent Page, 7320 Authon Dr., Dallas, TX 75248 USA (a cousin of more than one of the tested group - a test to see if they can determine who are his cousins?). 29. Frederick L. Page of Yorktown, VA a descended from Jeremiah Page, b.c. 1736 [possible county Norfolk, England] immigrated, abt 1751 to New London, CT then to Columbus, NY abt 1798, d. 1814 Columbus, NY, Married Polly Ames, b.c. 1740 - d. 1824 Columbus, NY. 30. Jim Page of Sandy, UT a descended from a Charles Page from Ellis County TX around Ennis in 1870s who later moved to Cordell, OK. 31. Raymond A. Page of Norwich, co. Norfolk, Eng. from a line from Suffolk and Norfolk, Eng.. 32. George A. Page of Plainfield, IN probably descended from John and Phoebe (Payne) Page who immigrated to New England in 1630 from Boxted, co. Essex. 33. Edwin R. Page/Paige of Westbrookville, NY a descended from PAGEs from southeastern NY, TriState area, since England established Great Lots in colonial times. His grandfather and great-grandfather both had the first name of Archibald. His great-great-great-grandfather was named Richard Page. I received E-mail verification that your firm will honor the reduced fee ($150) for these (over ten) participants, and the same price for additional PAGE surnamed individuals with their addresses that I send in the future. I am sure that as soon as information about the results of these tests are returned to the tested individuals more PAGEs will want to be tested. Please confirm my understanding of the steps to be followed, which are believed to be as follows: Step 1. “Oxford Ancestors” agrees to perform the tests for the reduced fee of $150. Step 2. You will post the DNA sampling kit to the people at the addresses furnished. This contains the small brush used to collect cells from the inner cheek easily and painlessly. Step 3. The tested males will return the DNA brush with their payment cheque. It will not be banked until the results have been mailed back to them. Expect delivery within 28 days of our receipt of your sample. Step 4. “Oxford Ancestors” agrees they will not use the DNA for any other purpose than the tests we have requested. Your results will be disclosed only to them, and their DNA will be destroyed after the results have been posted back to them. Step 5. We will of course want to share the DNA results (marker numbers) with each other to help us sort out the various Page family lines both in America and abroad. We would also appreciate a generalized report of the conclusions of the test results that protects the privacy rights of the individuals tested. Sincerely yours,

I would very much appreciate any information on this line as well - it sounds quite promising as a possibility for my husband's Christopher Page. Family tradition has his family being from NH, although the census of 1860 in which I find him in WI gives his birthplace as NY. I have not ever been able to find him there. Christopher was 65 or 68 in 1860, making his birthdate around 1792-1795. You have Michael being born 1793 in Lancaster NH. Christopher could be a brother. Christopher also named his first son Moses. Do you know where in western NY the family migrated? And when? George asked if you have any information on Moses' descendants - do you know the children's names? And any dates? Hopefully, Mary-Gene Page "George W. Page" wrote: > > Thanks Carolyn. > > I have added a comment and question at the end plus comments/deviations > based upon the sources I have {with sources} between brackets at the > breaks, thusly [...]. > The Sources are: > 1. G. Andrews Moriarty, "The Page Family of Danvers, Mass.," NEHG Register > Vol. 105, Jan. 1951, pp. 25-32; and Page in Bond's "History of Watertown," > p. 383 avail. in NEHG Register Vol. 65, July 1911.pp. 297-298. > 2. Charles Nash Page, Genealogical Chart #2 of John & Phoebe Page, Point > Lomas, CA Dec. 1917. > 3. Robert Charles Anderson,"The Great Migration Begins," Vol. III, NEHGS > 1995, pp. 1365-1389 > > At 03:44 PM 1/29/2001 -0500, [email protected] wrote: > >Dear Mr. Page, > >Here is the ancestor line I have found. Beginning with John PAGE, > >Watertown, 1630. (I have documentation and lots more information on these > >early families, but I assume you have most of it also.) His son, Samuel PAGE > >married Hannah. They had a child named Samuel, Jr. b. Jan 5, 1670-1 in > >Watertown MA. > > [The Samuel3, b. Jan..5, 1670/1 (who was the son of Samuel2 Page, b. > Watertown, 20 Aug. 1633 who m. by 1667 Hannah Dean/Dane, the dau. of Thomas > Dean/Dane, and d. before 11 April 1704) apparently without issue as the > only surviving child of Samuel and Hannah Dean was Ebenezer Page. Samuel2 > Page was of course the son of John and Phoebe Page {The Pages of Danvers, > Mass., citing Middlesex Probate, Vol. 7, pp. 397/8; chart #2 by CN Page in > 1917; and Anderson, p. 1367.}] > > >He married first Sarah Lawrence. > > [The Samuel Page who was the husband of Sarah Lawrence was Samuel Page, b. > 4 June 1672 - d. 7 Sep. 1747 the son of John2 Page and Faith Dunster, dau. > of Robert Dunster of Bury Lancs., and niece of Henry Dunster, First > President of Harvard. John2 Page, who was b.c. 1629 was an older son of > John and Phoebe Page, m. Faith Dunster in Groton, MA on 12May 1664. {CN > Page & Annderson}] > > >Their first child was Nathaniel PAGE born Sept. 4, 1702. > > [Nathaniel Page was listed as the fourth or fifth child of John and Faith > (Dunster) Page, the order being: > i. Samuel b. in 1692/3 of Charlestown End (Stoneham) and Medford, > "brickmaker," - d. 31 Jan. 1749/50; > ii. Joseph Page, b. Groton, m. Dec. 3, 1730 Deborah Gould; > iii. William Page; > iv. Nathaniel Page,b, Sep. 4, 1702 in SC, Lt. in French & Indian War, lived > in Lunenberg. MA, m. Dec. 25, 1733 Mercy Gould, d. Rindge, abt. Aug. 26, > 1771 {CN Page, G. Andrews Moriarty states that from the wording of Samuel's > will his children: Sarah, Joseph, William, Nathaniel, and David were > probably the children of his first wife, Sarah, as was perhaps also Jonathan } > v. David Page; > vi. Jonathan Page, b. Jan. 5, 1710 {CN Page shows him older than ; > vii. Sarah Page, m. in Groton in Apr. 1723 Isaac Farnsworth, she > predeceased her father; > Sarah Lawrence d. > Samuel m.(2) probably in SC Martha __?__ who d. 22 Sep. 1746; and m.(3) > Sarah (Holland) Parse or Pierce of Leominster, MA. {See NEHG Register, Vol. > 105, Jan. 1951, pp. 27-29}] > Samuel's children by his second wife were: > John b. in SC c. 1716, d. in Jamaica in 1740, aged 24 on an expedition > against the Spanish; > Elizabeth, b. 23 Mar. 1718/19, m. a Parker; > Zachariah, b. 10 Apr. 1721, d. in 1721; > Daniel, b. 10 Aug 1722; > Martha,, b. 31 May 1725, d. in 1728 ; > Benjamin, b. 12 Oct. 1727, probably d. young; > Thomas, b. 6 Sep. 1730.{Moriarty} > > Samuel's second wife d. 22 Sep. 1746 and he m.(3) Sarah (Holland) > Parse/Pierce of Leominster. MA on 9 July 1747. {Moriarty} > > >Several of his brothers joined him in > >settling Lancaster, NH. He married Mercy Gould. > >Their 6th child was Moses PAGE of Lancaster NH. > > [Moses is listed as their fourth child, the order being: > i. Nathaniel Page, b. Lunenberg Feb. 7, 1734 - d. Aug. 12, 1736; > ii. Nathaniel Page, b. Sep. 15, 1738; > iii. John Page, b. Lunenberg, Jul. 16, 1741, m. Hannah Greene, moved to > Haverhill 1762; > iv. Moses Page. b. Apr. 5, 1743 --- nothing further shown on the chart!; > v. Aaron Page, b. Jul. 13, 1744 - d. May 28, 1746; > vi. Samuel Page, b. Jul. 26, 1747 m. Mary Towne, d. Rutland. VT 1800; > vii. Reuben Page, b. Lunenberg, Feb. 3, 1754, lived in Corinth, VT, m. > Betsey Stevens, In Rev. War d. Aug. 2, 1843; > viii. Caleb Page, b. May 11, 1756, in Rev. War > + four daughters. {CN Page chart}] > > >Moses married first Hannah > >(d. Sept. 22, 1787.) He next married Lydia. Their third child was Michael > >(Micah) Bradford PAGE, b. July 5, 1793 in Lancaster, Grafton (Coos) NH. > > [I have nothing about Moses's descendants and would really appreciate as > much info as you are willing to share. > Do you know the names of their first and second children? > > >The family migrated to western NY where Michael married Ann and they produces > >Moses B. PAGE, b. Aug. 18, 1828, Cherry Creek, Chautauqa, NY. The family > >migrated to Coshocton Co., Lafayette Twp. in 1850 Ohio census. Moses B. PAGE > >married Mary Ann McKEE at Spencer, Owen, IN. in 1853. Their first child is > >Josiah Jamah PAGE. Josiah's first child is Clifford Earl, my grandfather, > >b.1885 in Terre Haute, Vigo, IN. Clifford's 4th child is George A. Page, my > >father, now age 82. > >That is the line as I know it. > >Sincerely, > >Carolyn > > My father is also George A. Page, the"A" standing for Ava. What does the > "A" stand for in your father's name? > > Regards, > > George > > ==== PAGE Mailing List ==== > PAGE list website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/PAGE.htm

Hello, Jackie and everyone! My grandmother was Caroline Sarah Page born in 1872 in Dublin. She had several brothers (Richard, Henry and Wilfred) also born there. Caroline married Thomas William Campbell of Dublin. Sarah's birth certificate gives her father as William Page. According to the 1901 census, he was born in Lambeth, London, England. He was born about 1843. None of these Pages ever came to the US...to the best of my knowledge. Do these names mean anything to anyone on the list?? Thanks Jean Campbell Phoenix, Arizona USA

Thanks Carolyn. I have added a comment and question at the end plus comments/deviations based upon the sources I have {with sources} between brackets at the breaks, thusly [...]. The Sources are: 1. G. Andrews Moriarty, "The Page Family of Danvers, Mass.," NEHG Register Vol. 105, Jan. 1951, pp. 25-32; and Page in Bond's "History of Watertown," p. 383 avail. in NEHG Register Vol. 65, July 1911.pp. 297-298. 2. Charles Nash Page, Genealogical Chart #2 of John & Phoebe Page, Point Lomas, CA Dec. 1917. 3. Robert Charles Anderson,"The Great Migration Begins," Vol. III, NEHGS 1995, pp. 1365-1389 At 03:44 PM 1/29/2001 -0500, [email protected] wrote: >Dear Mr. Page, >Here is the ancestor line I have found. Beginning with John PAGE, >Watertown, 1630. (I have documentation and lots more information on these >early families, but I assume you have most of it also.) His son, Samuel PAGE >married Hannah. They had a child named Samuel, Jr. b. Jan 5, 1670-1 in >Watertown MA. [The Samuel3, b. Jan..5, 1670/1 (who was the son of Samuel2 Page, b. Watertown, 20 Aug. 1633 who m. by 1667 Hannah Dean/Dane, the dau. of Thomas Dean/Dane, and d. before 11 April 1704) apparently without issue as the only surviving child of Samuel and Hannah Dean was Ebenezer Page. Samuel2 Page was of course the son of John and Phoebe Page {The Pages of Danvers, Mass., citing Middlesex Probate, Vol. 7, pp. 397/8; chart #2 by CN Page in 1917; and Anderson, p. 1367.}] >He married first Sarah Lawrence. [The Samuel Page who was the husband of Sarah Lawrence was Samuel Page, b. 4 June 1672 - d. 7 Sep. 1747 the son of John2 Page and Faith Dunster, dau. of Robert Dunster of Bury Lancs., and niece of Henry Dunster, First President of Harvard. John2 Page, who was b.c. 1629 was an older son of John and Phoebe Page, m. Faith Dunster in Groton, MA on 12May 1664. {CN Page & Annderson}] >Their first child was Nathaniel PAGE born Sept. 4, 1702. [Nathaniel Page was listed as the fourth or fifth child of John and Faith (Dunster) Page, the order being: i. Samuel b. in 1692/3 of Charlestown End (Stoneham) and Medford, "brickmaker," - d. 31 Jan. 1749/50; ii. Joseph Page, b. Groton, m. Dec. 3, 1730 Deborah Gould; iii. William Page; iv. Nathaniel Page,b, Sep. 4, 1702 in SC, Lt. in French & Indian War, lived in Lunenberg. MA, m. Dec. 25, 1733 Mercy Gould, d. Rindge, abt. Aug. 26, 1771 {CN Page, G. Andrews Moriarty states that from the wording of Samuel's will his children: Sarah, Joseph, William, Nathaniel, and David were probably the children of his first wife, Sarah, as was perhaps also Jonathan } v. David Page; vi. Jonathan Page, b. Jan. 5, 1710 {CN Page shows him older than ; vii. Sarah Page, m. in Groton in Apr. 1723 Isaac Farnsworth, she predeceased her father; Sarah Lawrence d. Samuel m.(2) probably in SC Martha __?__ who d. 22 Sep. 1746; and m.(3) Sarah (Holland) Parse or Pierce of Leominster, MA. {See NEHG Register, Vol. 105, Jan. 1951, pp. 27-29}] Samuel's children by his second wife were: John b. in SC c. 1716, d. in Jamaica in 1740, aged 24 on an expedition against the Spanish; Elizabeth, b. 23 Mar. 1718/19, m. a Parker; Zachariah, b. 10 Apr. 1721, d. in 1721; Daniel, b. 10 Aug 1722; Martha,, b. 31 May 1725, d. in 1728 ; Benjamin, b. 12 Oct. 1727, probably d. young; Thomas, b. 6 Sep. 1730.{Moriarty} Samuel's second wife d. 22 Sep. 1746 and he m.(3) Sarah (Holland) Parse/Pierce of Leominster. MA on 9 July 1747. {Moriarty} >Several of his brothers joined him in >settling Lancaster, NH. He married Mercy Gould. >Their 6th child was Moses PAGE of Lancaster NH. [Moses is listed as their fourth child, the order being: i. Nathaniel Page, b. Lunenberg Feb. 7, 1734 - d. Aug. 12, 1736; ii. Nathaniel Page, b. Sep. 15, 1738; iii. John Page, b. Lunenberg, Jul. 16, 1741, m. Hannah Greene, moved to Haverhill 1762; iv. Moses Page. b. Apr. 5, 1743 --- nothing further shown on the chart!; v. Aaron Page, b. Jul. 13, 1744 - d. May 28, 1746; vi. Samuel Page, b. Jul. 26, 1747 m. Mary Towne, d. Rutland. VT 1800; vii. Reuben Page, b. Lunenberg, Feb. 3, 1754, lived in Corinth, VT, m. Betsey Stevens, In Rev. War d. Aug. 2, 1843; viii. Caleb Page, b. May 11, 1756, in Rev. War + four daughters. {CN Page chart}] >Moses married first Hannah >(d. Sept. 22, 1787.) He next married Lydia. Their third child was Michael >(Micah) Bradford PAGE, b. July 5, 1793 in Lancaster, Grafton (Coos) NH. [I have nothing about Moses's descendants and would really appreciate as much info as you are willing to share. Do you know the names of their first and second children? >The family migrated to western NY where Michael married Ann and they produces >Moses B. PAGE, b. Aug. 18, 1828, Cherry Creek, Chautauqa, NY. The family >migrated to Coshocton Co., Lafayette Twp. in 1850 Ohio census. Moses B. PAGE >married Mary Ann McKEE at Spencer, Owen, IN. in 1853. Their first child is >Josiah Jamah PAGE. Josiah's first child is Clifford Earl, my grandfather, >b.1885 in Terre Haute, Vigo, IN. Clifford's 4th child is George A. Page, my >father, now age 82. >That is the line as I know it. >Sincerely, >Carolyn My father is also George A. Page, the"A" standing for Ava. What does the "A" stand for in your father's name? Regards, George

In view of the recent excitement regarding the PAGE family DNA testing, I would like to forward a message sent to the Worcester interest group. Do we have a PAGE family member representing the Samuel PAGE and Hannah CORNELL family of SMithville, Ontario, Canada????? Thanks, Donna Mullen ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Genetics and Genealogy Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 05:56:46 -0800 Resent-From:[email protected] Date:Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:56:48 -0000 From:"Ian Murray" <[email protected]> To:[email protected] Here is an interesting piece that I read on the - [email protected] list - (Family History in Buteshire, West Scotland), and contributed by one of their list members, Charles McCormick. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "HOW NAMES ARE IN OUR GENES What you are called is closely connected to your genetic makeup, say scientists - and this surprising link reveals a lot about infidelity. Robin McKie reports Sunday January 14, 2001 What's in a name? The question has puzzled writers and thinkers for centuries. Now scientists have provided an answer: our names reveal the nature of our genes and our biological past. Oxford researchers have discovered that names are more than labels. They reveal critical information about our natures and our roots. The discovery is being exploited by individuals who are using their DNA to reveal key information about their family trees. One day it might even be possible to name a criminal simply from the DNA that he leaves behind at the scene of a crime. 'We have found that a person's genotype and surname are incredibly closely connected,' said Professor Bryan Sykes, of the Institute of Molecular Medicine, Oxford. 'It is really quite startling, and very informative.' The Oxford group's discovery is the result of a remarkable investigation into Sykes's own family tree, a lineage that he has traced back to around AD1300. Surnames were first introduced at this time, when laws were changed to allow farm tenancies to be inherited, forcing people to be able to prove their identities. Nicknames, local geographical terms and - most often - professions were adopted for surnames: hence the plethora of Smiths and Millers in Britain. The name Sykes, however, was taken from a Yorkshire word for boundary ditch - which explains why distribution maps of Sykes's produce a cluster in villages around Huddersfield. Surnames are inherited through the male line - and so are Y-chromosomes, the packages of genes responsible for conferring maleness on a human. The question Sykes asked was simple: Were the two linked in any way? 'I got the idea for researching the two when I agreed to give a Glaxo Wellcome lecture on genetics and genealogy,' Sykes said. 'I knew its chief executive Sir Richard Sykes would be in the audience, and so I suggested that we should try to find out if we were related.' With a DNA brush, used to slough cells from a person's cheek, samples of their genes were analysed, along with those from several dozen other Sykeses who had been selected from the electoral register. Both men, and more than half the sample of other Sykeses tested, were found to have the same Y chromosome. 'It was a wonderful discovery, one of those things that shows how exciting science can be,' Sir Richard said. 'Bryan and I now know we have a common ancestor with all those other Sykeses.' In other words, for the past 700 years a lineage of Sykes' genes has been spreading like a web through generations - and in the majority of cases has remained unbroken. And what is true for the Sykes clan applies to the rest of the country. Research on other surnames has also shown more than half of their possessors share the same Y chromosome. Chromosomes are shuffled from one generation to another - except for the Y-chromosome which is passed from father to son like a surname. 'What is remarkable is that both name and Y- chromosome have remained linked for more than 20 generations,' said Bryan Sykes. 'It would only take a single act of infidelity to break this link, after all. Yet after 700 years, surname and Y-chromosome remained connected in more than 50 per cent of the men. That indicates an illegitimacy rate of less than 1 per cent a generation.' Such a figure flies in the face of studies which have claimed that - due to mothers' infidelities - between 5 per cent and 10 per cent of people are unrelated to the person they call dad. 'Our work flatly contradicts those figures, and indicates that family life in Britain has been a lot more stable and trusting than it has been given credit for,' he said. Individuals sharing a surname can now send off to the professor for a set of DNA brushes and sample pouches and so find out if they share the same Y-chromosome. Launched last month, the £120 test has proved popular with people researching their family tree, particularly Americans. In cases where two unconnected branches of a surname exist - for example, one from Essex and one from Cornwall - a DNA test can reveal to which group an individual belongs. 'This test only works with men because it relies on the Y- chromosome, of course,' Sykes said. If a woman wants to find out such information she will have to find out via her father or brother.' Sykes is an expert at tracing lineages - including those of pet hamsters, shown to be all descended from a single female found in the Syrian desert 70 years ago. He has used this knowledge to set up Oxford Ancestors, a private company that now operates his Y-chromosome analysis service under the commercial label Y-Line. It also offers another service - MatriLine - which does for female DNA what Y-Line does for the Y-chromosome. 'There is a packet of genetic material called mitochondrial DNA that is inherited through the female line,' Sykes said. 'We can use that to trace back a whole web of relatedness among individuals.' In one case mitochondrial DNA was extracted from a 9,000-year-old found in the Cheddar Gorge and linked to a local schoolteacher. Much more is known about mitochondrial DNA than the Y- chromosome. As a result, Sykes has been able to trace the webs of family links back to seven women, whom he calls the founding mothers of Europe. He has named them Ursula, who lived in Greece 45,000 years ago; Xania, Ukraine 25,000 years ago; Helena, from South-west France 20,000 years ago; Velda, from northern Spain 17,000 years ago; Tara, from northern Italy 17,000 years ago; Katrine, from eastern Italy 15,000 years ago; and Jasmine, from Syria 10,000 years ago. 'Think of them as Eve's daughters,' Sykes said. 'Soon, we will use our Y-chromosome studies to build a similar picture for Europe's fathers. Then it will be possible to find out from which of Adam's sons you are descended.' " Useful links: The Oxford Ancestors project The Science Museum's new Wellcome Wing has a interactive display showing the geographical distribution of nearly every British surname Genuki provides help on tracing your family tree Genealogy.com and Ancestry.com give access to massive databanks of surnames " End. Best Regards, Ian Murray The Murray Lewis Partnership ==================================================== http://www.2n2c.com - The UK Nursing and Patient Care Website ==================================================== This e-mail, together with any attachments, is for the exclusive and confidential use of the addressee(s). Any other distribution, use, reproduction or disclosure of contents without the sender's prior consent is unauthorised & strictly prohibited. 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I don't know how available some of my books are to others on the list. I haven't so much as checked a local library to look for books authored by Pages, but I do possess a few old books, written around the turn of the last century, by or about the Pages of North Carolina and Virginia. I would be happy to share excerpts with any of the Pages and Nelsons who don't have access to these. I don't believe I am of this lineage, but they still made very interesting reading for me. For those of you who are related, these books allow you to "get inside the head' of people with your genetic program, and compare their approach to life to your own. Life and Letters of Walter Page by Burton J. Hendrick, 1924,(Four Volumes), published by Doubleday, Page & Co. (Walter was the original cofounder of the Doubleday firm.) Lots of biographical information. Walter's father, Allison Francis "Frank": Page founded Cary and Aberdeen, North Carolina, and built hotels in Raleigh. Walter's grandfather, Anderson, had a 1,000 acre plantation 12 miles north of Raleigh and sold his crops in Petersburg. Thomas Nelson Page by Rosewall Page, an autobiography of Thomas by his brother, Rosewall, written about 1920 In Ole Virginia by Thomas Nelson Page, written about 1890. On Newfound River by Thomas Nelson Page, written in 1891, published by Scribner's I suppose the lineage of Thomas Nelson Page is pretty well documented, but anyone who wants to gain insight to Thomas's Virginia plantation life would benefit from these books. Both men have lots of other published books and articles, and I plan to collect. To anyone who believes they may be related to the Pages who lived in Wake County, North Carolina from 1800 on, after migrating from Virginia, you may be interested to know the book "The Southerner" was written around 1890 by Walter Page under the pen name of Nicholas Worth, and the boyhood part, in particular, is pretty much autobiographical, with names changed. A movie was made from it in the middle of the twentieth century. It was on TV recently, but I failed to watch or tape it. I haven't read the book either, but I understand it describes the hardships of trying to rebuild farms, communities, and lives after the Civil War. Just let me know if you want to know more about any of these books or if you would like me to look for any names of particular information. Ron Page Page Concepts,Inc. 888-821-1430 www.pagec.com

Trying to find descendants of the above families who settled into the Florida area starting about 1870.  Counties I have found references to these families include Sumter, Pasco, Polk, Hernando and Madison.  If you find any of your family names here, please contact me so we can swap info.   Pearson Brown & wife Elizabeth were both born about 1800 and are found in the Worth County AREA of Georgia in census reports from the early 1800s to 1860, along with their children Sarah Ann, Green, Thomas E.W., Mary and Pearson D.  these children were born from about 1840-1850.   Pearson D. Brown marr Elizabeth Wheelus in 1858 and was later killed in the civil war in 1861.   Green M. Brown marr Tobitha Goff in GA in 1863.  Green died if Fl in 1885 and Tobitha remarried to a John Alexander.  Green and Tobitha Brown had the following children:  Martha J., John Brown, Sarah E. Brown, Charlie S., Mary F., Tobith, and W.A. Mary F. Brown marr Robert M. Bankston in Pasco in 1893. Charlie S. Brown marr Berzelia McDaniel in 1894 in FL.   John Brown marr Mamie Angela Page in Pasco in 1874. Mamie was the daughter of Marion Washington Page and Mary Elizabeth Thomas.  Because Marion and his siblings were also long time residents of FL, I am also listing their names.  Marion Washington Page's siblings were Nancy, Winnie, Josiah, John, Louisa, Angelina, Lorina, Ephraim E. (marr Martha C. Wadsworth), Jackson Jeremiah, Solomon Hardy (marr Elinder Hall Watson & Elizabeth Jane Davidson) and Mary M who married Jonathan Watson in Polk in 1871.  Marion Washington Page's children were Enoch M. (marr Mary V. Blitch), John G., Lenora (marr John Alexander Morgan), Mamie Angela, Joseph Tilden, A.J. Page, George Washington (marr Mabel Prudence Phelps), Laura and Tom W. John Brown & Mamie Angela Page had the following children in FL.  Mamie (marr John Byrd), Martin Washington, Pascal Powell, Walter Perry, William Andrew (marr Artie Crum & Thelma Blanche Howard), John Archie and Charles Lee.   Almost all the people listed here, lived, raised a family and died in the above areas of FL.  Please contact me if you have any knowledge of these families, or if you would like more information. Thanks.  Bill Brown

Hi Jackie! Yes there are descendants of Irish Pages right here in the USA. My grandfather Patrick and his brother John migrated from County Mayo to Preble County, OH about 1860. Later, they brought their mother, Hannah or Johanna, over. I have not been able to make the connection back in Ireland. It seems that most Paiges or Pages in the USA came from England. It may be that the Irish Pages came from England to Ireland. > Is this list normally for American Page's or is it just a coincidence at > this particular time that that is all that is being discussed? I have > posted a few times regarding Canadian or Irish Page's and do not seem to > get responses other than polite people saying no one has any Canadian or > Irish connections. Secondly I do not understand what all the hoopala is > regarding George's postings. I have not seen or read anything offensive. > He seems to provide unselfishly, a wealth of information (unfortunately > not on my line though) and if as rumours go, we Canadians are a prudish > sort I have not been offended. > Thanks Jackie in Canada > > > ==== PAGE Mailing List ==== > PAGE list website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/PAGE.htm >

sorry, made a boo-boo it is in SC Blyden Potts wrote: > > Presumably this Laurens and Spartanburg are in South Carolina? > It might help some readers to know the state, which seems to be > missing from the post. > > Blyden Potts > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, January 28, 2001 4:56 PM > Subject: [PAGE] James R. Page > > > Spartanburg Herald Articles 1925 > >WEDDING > > > >Laurens Jan. 31- JAMES R. PAGE, member of the Laurens police > >dept. and MRS. EMMA DILL SULLIVAN, well known resident of the city, were > >married > >Monday evening at the home of the officiating minister, the REV. JODIE > >A. > >MARTIN, pastor of the Lucas Ave. Bapt. church. > > > >Does anyone know this Page? I don't have him in my database and was > >wondering if he fit into Robert and Rachel (Brockman) Page's line. > >Thanks! > >Denise > > > > > >==== PAGE Mailing List ==== > >PAGE list website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/PAGE.htm > > > >

Spartanburg Herald Articles 1925 WEDDING Laurens Jan. 31- JAMES R. PAGE, member of the Laurens police dept. and MRS. EMMA DILL SULLIVAN, well known resident of the city, were married Monday evening at the home of the officiating minister, the REV. JODIE A. MARTIN, pastor of the Lucas Ave. Bapt. church. Does anyone know this Page? I don't have him in my database and was wondering if he fit into Robert and Rachel (Brockman) Page's line. Thanks! Denise

My ggrandmother, Maria PAGE was born in Tring, Hertfordshire in 1837 and went to New Zealand at the age of 21. According to the IGI online, and the record looks right, her parents had six daughters all christened together in Tring in 1839. Details are: Mum and Dad: Jesse PAGE & Maria (BATCHELOR). Their daughters: Emma, Caroline, Sarah, Charlotte, Louisa Anne and Maria. I would be delighted to find others interested in this family. Max (Spiller) NSW Australia http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mousehole

I think the whole DNA plan is awesome. Is there anyone on this list connected to Thomas Page b 1772 who married Sarah Coate in Burlington, NJ.? Based on the estate setttlement of Sarah's father Daniel, we are able to assume that Thomas's father was also named Thomas. It is "theorized" that his father might have been the second Thomas Page who shows up on the Burlington tax lists who married Alice Scott. Thomas and Sarah and children moved to Clermont, OH about 1804. With Mathew's wonderful help, we have discovered that Asahel returned to Burlington, married, possibly had some children, then returned to Darke County, OH before 1859. There were enough sons that it seems likely some have managed to reproduce from Thomas' line, but I cannot connect with any. Dorothy

At 08:14 PM 1/26/2001 -0500, "Blyden Potts" <[email protected]> wrote: >If there are a number of male Pages who THINK they are from this >line, wouldn't it make sense to have them take the Y-Chromosome test? YES! Others as well. >If several who all believed (even if they could not prove) they were part >of that line (especially if they were from different, relatively removed >branches of that descent) took the test and got (nearly) identical >results as each other, wouldn't that corroborate their believed line of >descent? YES! > Sure, it might not absolutely prove it because they might ALL >be from some other line but the chances -- which would depend on just >how much of the line they could document, how remote their branches >of descent were, and how many generations removed from the progenitor >any potential breaks in their line were -- of such an outcome would, I >think, be extremely small if you had 4 or 5 (or more) do the test, >assuming they >were from diverse lines. If you want to know just how small, I bet Oxford >Ancestors could estimate the probabilities pretty well. > >Unless I am mistaken in this, I would suggest to any male Page who >thinks he may be descended from this line to contact George, and if >George gets a few volunteers (as opposed to just 1 or 2) then it would >seem like the thing could still go ahead and be very useful. > >Blyden Potts I have27 volunteers from several PAGE lines (but NONE from John & Phoebe Page); and the results will be useful to them, their posterity, and others who may in the future be tested. Some of these volunteers are very senior in age, and may or may not have male descendants. Their Y-Chromosome DNA fingerprint markers will however if they wish be shared on earth for many years to come. ALL male PAGEs of any line are encouraged to take this painless and relatively inexpensive test. George W. Page

If there are a number of male Pages who THINK they are from this line, wouldn't it make sense to have them take the Y-Chromosome test? If several who all believed (even if they could not prove) they were part of that line (especially if they were from different, relatively removed branches of that descent) took the test and got (nearly) identical results as each other, wouldn't that corroborate their believed line of descent? Sure, it might not absolutely prove it because they might ALL be from some other line but the chances -- which would depend on just how much of the line they could document, how remote their branches of descent were, and how many generations removed from the progenitor any potential breaks in their line were -- of such an outcome would, I think, be extremely small if you had 4 or 5 (or more) do the test, assuming they were from diverse lines. If you want to know just how small, I bet Oxford Ancestors could estimate the probabilities pretty well. Unless I am mistaken in this, I would suggest to any male Page who thinks he may be descended from this line to contact George, and if George gets a few volunteers (as opposed to just 1 or 2) then it would seem like the thing could still go ahead and be very useful. Blyden Potts -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [PAGE] Re: PAGE Y-Chromosome DNA Testing (John & Phoebe Page) > >> I'm coming to the conclusion that all the male PAGE >> descendants from that line are extinct, and their Y-Chromosomes have >passed >> into oblivion! > >George, > >Just a suggestion....Perhaps the reason you have no takers in the John/Phebe >line is that nobody feels confident that they've sufficiently "proven" their >connection with their own research. (That's the line I think I'm from, but I >haven't yet had time to confirm it.) > >>From reading your postings, it appears to me that you have lots of Page info >on lines other than your own. Maybe if the "proven" descendants of >John/Phebe, as far as you know them, were posted to the site someone would be >able to prove a connection to one of those descendants and not have to come >up with the rest of the documentation back to John and Phebe on their own in >order to participate in the test. > >Barbara Senden > > >==== PAGE Mailing List ==== >PAGE list website - http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/lists/PAGE.htm > >