Tink, I cannot thank you enough for your kind response! I just sent you a copy of my reply to Bonnie because in it I tell her that I had not considered that William and Fannie Imes' ages were wrong in the 1860 Census. I also relate much more about my research. I did not reply via the PAFRANKL list, as there are many other researchers sending queries who deserve attention. However, I DO want the list to know how much I appreciated your DETAILED response and that I will follow through on your suggestion to check the Orphan's Court records in Franklin County for any guardianship of the children and the land records for the disposition of the IMES property. I will send you direct reply regarding the other items mentioned in your note. Thanks, again! Blessings, Carol Phila., PA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tink Miller Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] William IMES It appears that William's age is misstated on the 1860 census, causing your difficulty in searching. On the 1850 census, William IMES is listed as age 35, a laborer, born in Maryland; he is with wife Fanny age 33, son Charles age 10, and daughter Mary age 2. So William was only 45 in 1860, not 65. And Fanny was only 45 when she died in 1862. William may have remarried and even had more children. Or he may have joined the Union Army in the war. Residing in the same house in 1850 is a William Carl/Earl? age 21, with wife Mary age 20 and daughter Mary 9 mos old. Fannie and Mary are both from Virginia and are likely sisters. Next door, just as you described, is brother John Imes age 34 and wife Elizabeth also 34 and from Virginia (another sister?). Children are David 10, Mary B. 8, James 6, Esau 4, Caroline 3 and John 1. John is a farmer owning land valued at $800, so brother William and Wm Carl may have worked for him as laborers. Of all the children in the three families, only John's oldest son David had attended school in the past year. On the next page of the 1850 census, just a few homes away, we find another black IMES family - John IMES, age 77 and Susan age 57 (wife?) and Eliza 15 (daughter?). John and Susan are also born in Maryland. My guess would be that this is possibly the father and mother of William and John since all are from Maryland, the ages work, and all are living close together. James Imes, son of John and Elizabeth, was born 1842 in Chambersburg, Franklin Co. Died 5 April 1895, in Carlisle, PA. Married Jane Strange, 22 Oct 1891, in Carlisle. Also in 1860, Esau (Eseau), son of John and Elizabeth, is living with a family named White, in Antrim Township, Greencastle, Franklin Co. They live on a farm valued at almost than $9,000, so Eseau is probably a laborer on the farm, though no occupation is listed. He is described as mulatto. By 1880 he is living in Mississippi, teaching and single, boarding with a family named Ingraham. He married their eldest daughter Catherine Ingraham, 16 June 1883. He was born Oct 1845, Chambersburg, PA; died 8 Nov 1907, Byhalia, MS., son of John and Elizabeth Imes. He applied for disability pension for his Civil War service in MS., 27 Oct 1891. Catherine applied for widow's pension at 11 Dec. 1904. Children: Son, Edward Houston Imes, born 24 Nov 1895; died 27b Nov, 1976. Married Frances ??, date unknown. Daughter - Carrie Anna Imes, b. 10 March 1893, Memphis, TN; d. Aug 1992(?), Memphis; spouse Henry Langford. Caroline Imes, d/o John and Elizabeth, went to Kentucky. Born 1847, in Franklin Co. Died 1896 in Harrodsburg, Mercer Co., KY. Married Peter Johnson, 1875 in Harrodsburg. Mary B Imes, d/o John and Elizabeth, born Chambersburg, 1842. No other info. David, son of John and Elizabeth, born Chambersburg 1840; married Emmaline ?. There was a John Imes who served in the Union Colored Infantry, Co. H, 41st Unit, during Civil War. Don't know if it is the same John Imes. In Feb, 1887, John Imes (I'iames) widow "Eliza E." applied for Civil War pension, in Missouri. Eliza could be Elizabeth. IN Oct. 1891, William Imes (I'iames) applied for disability pension as civil war vet in Missouri. No widow or dependent listed. Co E, 60th MO Infantry (?). In 1860 census, I believe there is an error on William's age. He was 45, not 65 as listed. Fanny is 41. The oldest son, Charles, has left the house. A younger son, William, was born in 1851 is now in the house with Mary age 14 and Margaret age 5. Perhaps they purposely gave a wrong age for William to protect him from civil war service? There is a William IMES, African American on 1880 census: Fayetteville, Franklin, Pennsylvania, enum. dist 96, pg 41 He is age 40, born in Pennsylvania. However, Father's and Mother's birthplace is given as PA, which does not fit your William and Fanny, but I think it may be their son. This William is a Farm Labor, Married, and cannot read/write. The Household Members are Mary, age 30 (spouse), and daughters Mary age 17 and Maggie age 13. It's interesting that the two daughters names are same as daughters of Wm IMES that you are researching. Could be sign of a family naming pattern. Several of the neighboring families of this William of 1880 census are also African Amercan, on pgs 41 and 42. The men are farmers and the women are "keeping house". Sunames are Butler, Keyes, Hunter, Hall, Brown, Burse, Dradon, Pickens, Seane, Ramer. (I may have misread some handwriting on a couple of these). Perhaps if you study the names of the wives in those families you will find possible matches for the IMES female children of William or John. I would check land records and estates/wills to see what happened to John's land when he died, and maybe Orphan's court records to see who took guardianship of the younger children. Who witnessed the documents? Who received an inheritance? If there are death or burial records, that may reveal a lot of info. Look for all the collateral info about the two children of John that you do have info on - school graduation, marriage, death, land/tax records, etc. Also newspaper items. Sometimes family members are named as guests attending a family event. I culled this information from Ancestry census records and civil war pension records, and their list of World Family Trees. Hope that will give you some ideas for further research as you collect the documentation. Tink Miller At 08:10 PM 9/16/06, you wrote: >Requesting look-up for William IMES, an African-American, who at the >time of the 1860 Census was 65 years old, lived in Mercersburg, >Montgomery Twp, Franklin County, with his wife, Fannie (age 61), three >children: Margaret (age 5), Mary (age 14) and William (age 9) and >another relative, Henry IMES (age 38). > >The family seems to have vanished after 1860, except we were able to >find the wife, Fannie IMES, in the records of a Dietrich Funeral Home, >Greencastle, PA, that were on file in the Franklin County Historical >Society, listing her death in 1862 with the notation, "Mrs. Imes was >wife of William near this place." Thus, William was alive in 1862. > >Ten years earlier, at the time of the 1850 Census, the family lived two >doors from William's brother, John IMES, his wife, Elizabeth, and >children: David (age 10), Mary (age 8), James (age 6), Esau (age 4), >Caroline (age 3) and John (age 1). Tragically, the parents, John and >Elizabeth IMES, both died in 1854-1855 and left seven orphaned children >who most likely were taken in my neighbors. Two eventually made their >way to Oberlin College, became teachers, and subsequently settled in >Mississippi (Esau) and Kansas (Caroline). We have never been able to >discover what happened to William IMES or John IMES' 4 children or >William's 3 children. > >Would appreciate any look-ups for William IMES (1815- after 1862) and >the children by this list and/or suggestions for additional research. > > >Many thanks, > >Carol >Phila., PA > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message