All-- I think that you can bank on things that Gordon tells you. I always look at his postings even if the title does't seem to apply to me! For clarification, I would ask if the naming pattern means that a man would name his first born after his father, ie, the boy's grandfather. That seems to be the case in my lines. I hope this answers a few questions about American Presbyterian records. The following is part of the church and maintains the old records of many congregations. The Presbyterian Historical Society 425 Lombard Street Philadelphia, PA 19147 215-627-1852 www.history.pcusa.org They do not do research for you but they will give you a list of researchers in Philadelphia. You can search the website shown above to determine what church records they have. If you find records that interest you, you have the alternatives of hiring a researcher, visiting Philadelphia yourself, or paying $20 to get an interlibrary loan of microfilm through your local library. They have session minutes from 1790 for the PA congregation that interests me. I have not done any of the above yet! Maybe tomorrow. . . . ! --Jack