Several of those "not so great laughs" have "happened" to me! And I might add: Someone tells you someone else is a great genealogical LISTER that you just have to contact, and when you try to contact them and don't hear back you go looking for their listings and you find they were a great genealogical LIFTER i.e. from others or from your OWN work, listings, or e-mail! I've actually sent e-mails to people from whom I never ever heard back from, and I am now finding my e-mails posted by those people word for word on Rootsweb as "proof"! I sincerely hope they lift this one and post it under their own name and dates. Keep up the good "listing" Gordon, and I forgive you for lifting that one from the Scottish "cousins." Though I think I've seen some of those listed before by Americans, but whether listers or lifters I coudln't say. Richard