Bill - I checked "Biographical Annals of Franklin County" - two GROVE families but no connections found. No GRIPE listed In M'Cauley's "Historical Sketch of Franklin County", 1878, p 190, there is a Joseph GIPE who is listed as a "Tunker" Bishop in Guilford Twp - this is as close as I could come to the spelling. In this list of ministers of the county there the only denomination with 'Baptist' is 'Seventh Day Baptist.' If you are looking for the correct transcription for the age of Rebecca why not order the census record yourself? You can get them at most research libraries on interlibrary loan or order them from Salt Lake at your local Family History Center. You already have the township and page number so all you need is to order the correct roll of microfilm and look at a picture of the original. There is a "Shearer's Church" at Pleasant Hall - I think the other name is Salem Reformed or E.U.B. The records have been filmed by LDS and are available from Salt Lake. The population of the town in 1900 was only 63, so it may have been the only church in the town. Rocky Spring Church is in Letterkenny Twp, but it was Presbyterian. Kittochtinny has the burials in the graveyard of both churchs. I do not know of any local histories of the area. Carolyn Shearer -----Original Message----- From: William S. Jewell <wsj@newton.berkeley.edu> To: PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com <PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 4:22 PM Subject: [PAFRANKL] Joseph GRIPE, "Clergy Old Bapti" > >Surnames: GRIPE, GROVE, EPHREMANT > > In the 1860 Census for Franklin Co. (see Valley of the Shadow Project), >there is listed in Letterkenney Twn., Pleasant Hall P.O.: > Joseph GRIPE 54 m w "Clergy Old Bapti" $5000 $300 > Mary GRIPE 53 f w > Rebecca GROVE 24 f w "Domestic" , >and next door is living the family of Andrew GRIPE 28 m w "Farmer" $0 $1500 . > I have reason to believe Rebecca GROVE is my great-grandmother, >born 31 Jan 1839 in Stony Creek Twn, Somerset Co. (This would make her "21" >rather than "24" years old, making either the census-taker or the transcriber >wrong. I have looked at the original image on microfilm, and think a case can >be made that "21" is written with a pencil mark over the "1" to make it "4". >I have written to Valley/Shadow about this, but no reply yet.) > > (1) Is anything known about the GRIPE family, especially 1850-1870? >What church did he minister to? Does it still exist? What is >"Old Bapti" - Anabaptist, Mennonite, Old Order Brethren ? How strict were >they? Where would records of marriages by JG (abt 1865) be kept? Does anyone >know the Gripes' death dates? Why does the name appear so rarely in PA >before/after 1860? I presume this family would be considered wealthy, even >by Franklin Co. standards? > > (2) I am especially interested in any collateral information about >Rebecca GROVE, as I have identified her in 1850 in Somerset Co., then in >Benton Co., MN in 1870. How long did she serve as Domestic to the GRIPEs? >Is she related to any other GROVES in Franklin Co? > > (3) I would appreciate suggestions on collateral historical reading >on Letterkenny, UpperStrasburg, Pleasant Hall before, during , and after the >Civil War (1855-1867). > > (4) I welcome any information whatsoever on a family EPHREMANT, >EPHERMAN, or ENFREYMONT that may have figured in JG's chruch or personal life. >(There is an EPHERMAN family living in Harrisburg in 1860, with no occupation, >and who are absent from before/after searches in PA). > > (5) Are there other transcriptions of the 1860 Census for Letterkenny >Twn.? Would anyone be good enough to examine p. 106 of the oiginal image and >tell me if they agree with my reading of "21" for Rebecca's age? > >I apologize for the length of this communication, but I am new to Franklin Co. >and to this list. > > Thanks, Bill Jewell Berkeley, CA > >