The annual service at Rocky Spring Presbyterian Church in Letterkenny Twp (but not on the Letterkenny Army Depot) will be held Sunday June 14th at 3 p.m. All are welcome. The church still is as it was built in 1786 - box pews with the owner's names, brick floors, no lights or heat. The Franklin County chapter of the DAR took over the maintainence of the building this past year and is starting the process of necessary repairs.

Hi Gladys and Fellow Listers: Once a year (in years passed), Letterkenny Army Depot would take "tours" to the various cemeteries and graveyards on the Depot grounds. I'm thinking it was usually Memorial Day weekend, but I'm not sure of that. I'm also not sure if they still do this or not. For cemetery records and tombstone inscriptions - you'd probably do well to visit the Kittochtinny Historical Society (Franklin County Historical Society) in Chambersburg. Their website is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pakhs/ Happy Hunting! Donna Heller Zinn of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "glnjpn" <glnjpn@yahoo.com> To: <PAFrankl-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:10 PM Subject: [PAFRANKL] Church in Letterkenney I understand that there is a church on the premises of Letterkenny. Is it ever open to the public and are there any records on site? Gladys ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joan: Please contact me off line. Gordon Crooks

I understand that there is a church on the premises of Letterkenny.   Is it ever open to the public and are there any records on site?   Gladys

Jimmie: If you are interested in someone who was in Greencastle, Pa. you shoukld be sending your msg. to PaFrankl, however I have done it for you, if I see any answers I will forward them to you. Gordon crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmie Long" <jimbo@ntelos.net> To: <mdwashin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:21 PM Subject: [MDWashin] William Long > Looking for information on William Long who lived in Greencastle, PA in > 1907. His dad was John M. Long. He had a sister in Hagerstown,MD named > Mrs. John Bohrer and Mary Kidwiler in Bakerton, WV. Brothers Peter Long, > John Long, and Conrad Long from Martinsburg, WV. Any info? > jimbo@ntelos.net > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN > ********* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDWASHIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.42/2137 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00

Hi Gordon, Thanks again for help with access to the book: "A Short History of the Presbyterian Churches in Ballymoney" by Rev. A.H. Dill and others, 1898. Now I see Full text is also listed on "Internet Archives" at http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924008573887/cu31924008573887_djvu.txt Interesting to me that the book was digitized from Olin Library, Cornell University, where I worked as Library Assistant from 1964-67. (I should have been researching my genealogy there!) Page 11-12 mentions "THOMAS ELDER" Chapter 1. Early Settlers of the Route. 10. ..."an old manuscript book has been preserved and has come into the possession of the Session of the congregation. This book, brown and worn with age, many of its leaves torn and defaced, and parts of it missing altogether, is all that remains of the records of the congregation of Ballymoney from its beginning till the year 1817. .." 11. ..."Amongst the earliest names occurring in this old record are the following : John Boyd, Robert McElhose, Benjamin Boyle, Robert Biggart, John Hopkin, Hugh McMaster, John Hamil, Thomas Elder, John Lusk, John Ramsay, Alex. Dunlop, and Alex. Calderwood ; all of whom were elders of the church, and took part in the meetings of Session. Several of these are of special interest because they are the direct ancestors of families still in connection with the Presbyterian Churches of Ballymoney...." 12. "The Hamils, Elders and Lusks, the Ramsays and McMasters have branched out in many directions, and have given many prominent and useful members to the Presbyterian Church...." Nancy's notes: Of course, I still have to prove which ELDER DNA line this is for Thomas ELDER. He may belong to the "PAXTANG PA" I-haplogroup-Viking ELDER DNA group, instead of my "FRANKLIN CO PA" R1b ELDER DNA group. see DNA Results charts: at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder Nancy Elder Petersen Volunteer Host, ELDER DNA project

Barbara: I checked with my State library which has a very good collection of surname books and their histories below is what they found. Apparentlty nothing was found for West in the U.K. other than West itself. If I had to guess I would say that your original West if he came from Germany shortened it to West, or a census taker did it foir him !If you think that instead they were Ulsterscots then I can give you some heavy reading to look for the name both as 1900's name and as a 1600's name. Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "ssh" <ssh@prattlibrary.org> To: "Gordon Crooks" <gordoncrooks@worldnet.att.net> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: West (surname) > Mr. Crooks : > > The " Dictionary of German Names " by Hans Bahlow lists the following > surnames, any of which could have been shortened to " West " : Westrich, > Westerling, Westermann, Wester, Westing, Westarp, Westfelhing, Westphal, > Westram, and Westrum. > > --Answered by : Librarian, Social Science and History Department, Enoch > Pratt Free Library, 400 Cathedral Street, Baltimore, MD 21201. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.338 / Virus Database: 270.12.34/2122 - Release Date: 05/19/09 06:21:00

Hi Gordon, Thanks! I found several ELDER names in "The BRAID" museum website. Now I should figure out if any are in my "FRANKLIN CO PA" line. I know that both "FRANKLIN CO PA" and "PAXTANG PA" ELDER DNA groups are found in early Ballymoney also. --Nancy Elder Petersen Host, ELDER DNA project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder Presbyterian Church cemeteries, search ELDER: ELDER Ballymena not dated JANE A ELDER Elder Clough Graveyard 1954 Elder In loving memory of our dear mother Martha Elder died 23rd January 1954 aged 82 years Also her children Johnnie and Jeannie died in infancy Also her husband James died 11th July 1964 aged 96 years Redeemed with t he precious blood of Christ 1 Peter 18.19 Elder Clough Graveyard 1984 Elder In memory of John died 16th September 1984 Psalm 46, verse 10 Elder Connor New Cemetery 1945 Elder in loving memory of our dear father William, died 11th December 1945, aged 80 years. Also our dear mother Ester, died 11th March 1911, aged 34 years. And their infant son David. resting where no shadows fall. Elder Townhill, Portglenone 1885 Erected by Hugh Elder, Drumraw, in memory of his wife Margaret Jane who died 9th January 1885; aged 45 years. And his daughter Mary, who died 6th May 1913; aged 35 years. The above named Hugh Elder, died 11th July 1920, aged 90 years. --Nancy Elder Petersen Volunteer Host, ELDER DNA project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder --- On Fri, 5/22/09, Gordon Crooks <gordoncrooks@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > From: Gordon Crooks <gordoncrooks@worldnet.att.net> > Subject: [PAFRANKL] Old burial grounds > To: PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 5:01 AM > Folks: The URL listed below will take > you to all of the early Presbyterian Cemeteries in the > Ahoghill area of County Antrim, N. Ireland. So far I have > found 4 related families all who moved to Franklin Co. in > the early 1700's > http://www.thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx > Gordon Crooks

Folks: The URL listed below will take you to all of the early Presbyterian Cemeteries in the Ahoghill area of County Antrim, N. Ireland. So far I have found 4 related families all who moved to Franklin Co. in the early 1700's http://www.thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx Gordon Crooks

I could use some advice from some other researchers. I've been researching the West family surname for many years and have failed to move any farther than my great-grandfather Thomas West b. ca 1815 d. ca. 1865 and his wife Dorothy Rock (1817-1886). They last lived in Guilford Township, Franklin county. According to the 1850 and 1860 census, both were born in Pennsylvania. Dorothy appears in 1870, but Thomas is nowhere to be found. I can locate no birth, marriage, death or burial records for either and have visited the courthouse, historical society and libraries. I'm revisiting a piece of information passed down verbally through a cousin's line that said that the West surname had been shortened. The same source said that the immigrant had either been born in Scotland and immigrated to Germany or born in Germany and then immigrated to Scotland before settling in the U.S. Gordon, I'm hoping you may be able to shed some light on this puzzle? Any leads, however small would sure be appreciated. -Barb

This will surprise some of you that the name SHANKS which is to be found in Franklin Co. has two origins 1. Ulsterscots from, N. Ireland, 2 Germans from Germany. I am in the process of trying to trace them in N. Ireland in the 1700's. Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "ssh" <ssh@prattlibrary.org> To: "Gordon Crooks" <gordoncrooks@worldnet.att.net> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Look uo please > Mr. Crooks, > > As always, this surname search turned out to be interesting and perhaps > raised more questions than answers. My first reference of choice is > Patrick Hanks’ Dictionary of American Family Names and once again it did > not fail. Some of the following you may already have discovered. > > Shanks (v. 3, p. 330) Scottish and northern Irish: nickname for someone > with long legs or some peculiarity of gait, from Old English /sceanca > /“shin bone”, “leg”. This vocabulary word was preserved in Scotland, > whereas in England it was replaced by Old Norse /leggr./ > > / / > > As we know there can be similar sounding names from different linguistic > sources which may or may not be related, so I played around with the > sounds and spelling variations . The following may be worth pondering. > > Schanck, Dutch var. of Schenk > > Schank, German and Dutch var. of Schenk > > Schanke, North German and Norwegian, var. of Schenk > > Schenck, German variant of Schenk > > Schenk, Schenke. (v.3, p. 286) 1. German and Dutch: from Middle High > Germa, Middle Dutch /schenke/, “cupbearer,””wine server” (from Old High > German, /scenko/, from /scenken/ “to pour out or serve”, hence an > occupational name for a cupbearer or server of wine. As a German name it > also denotes a tavernkeeper. In another development, similar to English > BUTLER, the word came to be used as an honorary title for a high court > official, and some cases of the surname may have arisen from this use. > 2. Jewish (Ashkenazic) metonymic occupational name for an innkeeper, > from German /Schenke,/ “inn”, “tavern”. At one time only Jews were > allowed to sell alcohol in the Russian empire. > > Now comes the wrinkle. > > Schenkel (v.3, p. 286) German, Dutch, and Jewish (Ashkenazic): nickname > for someone with long or otherwise notable legs, from Middle High German > /schenkel/, Middle Dutch, /schenke/l, /schinkel/ “thigh”, “lower leg”, > German /Schenkel/ “thigh”. > > Dictionary of German Names by Hans Bahlow confirms the spelling and > meaning of schenkel and schinkel as thigh or lower leg. > > Hope this will prove helpful. > > Eva Slezak > > > > > > Gordon Crooks wrote: >> Hi I would like a look up for the surname SHANKS. I have always >> assumed this is a Germanic name, however I was recently told of Shanks >> being in Belfast , N. Ireland in the mid 1700's. I am very distantly >> related to Shanks via my Crunkleton line in Franklin Co., Pa. and have >> looked at them closely. Shanks were and still are "Old Order River >> Brethren" establish in Germany around 1723. They today are very simlar >> to Amish except they use electricty and drive cars (all painted black) >> and the men dress like the Amish beards, no buttons, black clothing >> and the women a little more liberal dress like the Mennonites. >> Gordon Crooks >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Scanned MGW2 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.323 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2118 - Release Date: 05/16/09 17:05:00

> >>Someone contacted me some time ago regarding these surnames<< Gordon, I'm interested in Macafee/McAfee. Barbara

Someone contacted me some time ago regarding these surnames, I have additional information now including the Churches of Ballymoney back to the 1600's and have the entire book The Churches of Ballymoney in my computer and can send the specific pages where the names are mentioned. Gordon Crooks

Just FYI, in case other folks have the same problem that I did. I wasn't able to connect properly using Gordon's link. It displayed a blank page with a menu bar on the side but the links don't work. However, there is a message at the bottom of that page saying "Whoops - page doesn't exit" and it directs you to click on a link to the "home page". So I did and that worked. Once you get to the home page, click on "History" on the menu bar that's across the top of the page. On the next page, click on "Lisburn Historical Society" on the menu bar down the left side. On the next page, you will see another menu bar down the left side. Near the bottom of that menu bar is the link to the "Huguenots of Lisburn". That's it. There is a great deal of historical info on this site, including some about the development of the linen industry there. Very interesting! I read every page. Thanks, Gordon. You always give us such great resources. Here's the "home page" link that will get you started if Gordon's link doesn't work for you either. http://www.lisburn.com/index.html Tink At 06:18 AM 5/17/09, Gordon Crooks wrote: >This URL will take you a web site which contains a great deal of >information on the Huguenots, many who settled in Franklin Co. and >who were also Ulsterscots. I myself am a double Huguenot as both >sides of my family were Huguenots. > > http://lisburn.com/books/historicalsociety/historicalsociety.html > > >Gordon Crooks > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This URL will take you a web site which contains a great deal of information on the Huguenots, many who settled in Franklin Co. and who were also Ulsterscots. I myself am a double Huguenot as both sides of my family were Huguenots. http://lisburn.com/books/historicalsociety/historicalsociety.html Gordon Crooks

Descendants of Frederick Bakener 1 Frederick BAKENER b: May 05, 1829 in PA (appears in 1860, 1870 Quincy Twp., Franklin Co., PA, 1880 and 1900 Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: February 15, 1916 Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL . +Catharine (Waggaman) WAGGONER b: July 04, 1831 in PA d: May 25, 1905 Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: (Waggaman) Waggoner Mother: Catherine ? . 2 Ann M. BAKENER b: Abt. 1852 in PA . 2 Benjamin F. BAKENER b: August 01, 1854 in Franklin Co., PA d: June 21, 1899 Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL ..... +Katie GIPE b: 1856 in Franklin Co., PA m: November 27, 1879 in Ogle Co., IL d: 1937 Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: David L. Gipe Mother: Louisa Cleverstone . 2 Emma BAKENER b: 1858 in PA d: January 04, 1908 Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL ..... +William L. GLOSS b: July 1861 in IL (appears in 1900 Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) m: October 07, 1897 in Mt. Morris, Ogle Co., IL d: January 27, 1923 in Oregon Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: Abraham Gloss Mother: Ellen Cordelia Fletcher . 2 Daniel BAKENER b: Abt. 1860 in PA . 2 Jesse BAKENER b: October 18, 1863 in PA (appears in 1900 Marion Twp. and 1930 Byron, Byron Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: July 09, 1934 in Byron, Ogle Co., IL Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL ..... +Olive HARMON b: December 18, 1869 in Haldane, Lincoln Twp., Ogle Co., IL m: February 13, 1890 in Forreston, Forreston Twp., Ogle Co., IL d: June 18, 1955 Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: Reuben Harmon Mother: Mary Ellen Hurdle ..... 3 Sylvia Villa BAKENER b: March 02, 1891 in Ogle Co., IL d: 1962 Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL ......... +Frank Hunter WRIGHT b: 1893 in IL (appears in 1930 Byron Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) m: July 24, 1913 in Winnebago Co., IL d: March 30, 1939 in Ogle Co., IL Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: Marcus William Wright Mother: Alice Hunter ..... 3 Orville Frederick BAKENER b: November 12, 1892 in Ogle Co., IL (appears in 1930 Byron, Byron Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: June 14, 1969 in Winnebago Co., IL Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL ..... 3 Floyd Leslie BAKENER b: November 28, 1895 in Ogle Co., IL d: July 24, 1985 in Byron, Ogle Co., IL Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL ..... 3 Cora Mae BAKENER b: December 05, 1897 in Ogle Co., IL d: September 1981 in Zephyrhills, Pasco Co., FL ......... +Clyde NOBLE ..... 3 Dora Kathryn BAKENER b: May 12, 1900 in Ogle Co., IL d: November 22, 1988 in Rockford, Winnebago Co., IL ......... +Clayton HEVRIN b: September 17, 1891 d: July 1964 ..... 3 Roy Vanard BAKENER b: 1902 d: 1914 Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL ..... 3 Merritt Sylvester BAKENER b: 1907 d: 1920 Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL ..... 3 Ada Ione BAKENER b: 1911 in IL d: 1932 Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL . 2 Amanda Elizabeth BAKENER b: August 1866 in PA d: May 12, 1938 in Ogle Co., IL Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL ..... +John Jacob BARNHART b: March 26, 1860 in Greencastle, Franklin Co., PA (appears in 1900, 1910, and 1930 Byron Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) m: January 10, 1884 in Ogle Co., IL d: November 08, 1939 in Byron, Ogle Co., IL Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: Daniel Swisher Barnhart Mother: Mary A. Rearick ..... 3 Minnie M. BARNHART b: April 1885 in IL d: 1959 Burial: Byron Cemetery, Byron, Ogle Co., IL ......... +Silas B. HEDGES b: 1882 in WV (appears in 1910 and 1930 Byron Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: 1939 Burial: Byron Cemetery, Byron, Ogle Co., IL ..... 3 Mertie Viola BARNHART b: July 23, 1889 d: 1894 Burial: Silver Creek Cemetery, Mt. Morris Twp., Ogle Co., IL ..... 3 Nellie BARNHART b: August 02, 1891 in IL d: January 1985 in Dixon, Lee Co., IL ......... +Melvin A. MARGET b: January 1886 in IL (appears in 1910 and 1930 Byron Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: 1962 Burial: Byron Cemetery, Byron, Ogle Co., IL Father: Angelo Marget Mother: Lura ? ..... 3 Iva BARNHART b: Abt. 1903 in IL ......... +Milo GARMAN b: January 23, 1902 in Brookville Twp., Ogle Co., IL (appears in 1930 Eagle Point Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) m: Bef. 1924 d: September 06, 1981 in Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL Burial: Fairmount Cemetery, Polo, Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: Cyrus Daniel Garman Mother: Rebecca Jane Rubendall ..... *2nd Husband of Iva BARNHART: ......... +Lee WESTERMAN b: November 27, 1906 in Leaf River, Ogle Co., IL (appears in 1930 Leaf River Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) m: Bef. 1972 d: June 1977 in Leaf River, Ogle Co., IL Father: Jurren "George" Westerman Mother: Hester "Esther" Boomgarden ..... 3 Vena M. BARNHART b: October 10, 1905 in Byron, Ogle Co., IL d: March 20, 1972 in Oregon, Ogle Co., IL Burial: Daysville Cemetery, Nashua Twp., Ogle Co., IL ......... +John G. COLSON b: March 12, 1900 in IL (appears in 1930 Oregon, Oregon Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) m: December 22, 1926 in Oregon, Ogle Co., IL d: September 1965 in Oregon, Ogle Co., IL Burial: Daysville Cemetery, Nashua Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: George Emil Colson Mother: Ellen Hoar ..... 3 Earl BARNHART b: Abt. 1909 in IL (appears in 1930 Byron, Byron Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) ......... +Lillian ? b: Abt. 1910 in IL . 2 Harry BAKENER b: Abt. 1869 in PA . 2 Frederick BAKENER b: Abt. 1875 in PA Roger Cramer Peoria, Arizona Roger and Sue Cramer's Genealogy Site http://members.cox.net/rogercubs/index.html Ogle Co., IL Genealogy Site http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilogle/ **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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Is anyone researching STAVERs??? I have some old pictures I'm trying to identify and also researching Emanuel STAVER b ca 1804 and 1st wife Lidia (unknown) who lived in Southampton Twp.................................... Thanks! Sharon Frank in Fl.

Will the lady who asked me some time ago to check out some Byer burial info please contact me, I have some info for you. Gordon Crooks

You will find contact information for Abby here: http://usgwarchives.net/pa/pafiles.htm Joan In a message dated 4/29/2009 7:47:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhoupt64@aol.com writes: Is this the correct address to reach Abby Bowman??? THANKS for your help... jIM

Is this the correct address to reach Abby Bowman??? THANKS for your help... jIM