Guys, There is another option: post it to the Rootsweb Franklin County Message Board. Attachments are allowed there. Bill Hawk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tink Miller" <tmiller@pirs.org> To: "Gordon Crooks@verizon.net" <gordoncrooks@verizon.net>; <PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Scottish nameing pattern > > Hi Gordon, > > I've been checking the archives for this list and your message with > the attachment aren't there. Perhaps it only went to the person you > were answering, rather than to the list. However, I'm pretty certain > that attachments are never accepted on these Rootsweb County > lists. Maybe you could paste the text into a message if it isn't too > big. Otherwise the only other option, as you suggsted, is sending it > as an attachment directly to individuals who request it. Put me on > that list please, and thanks as always for sharing your expertise and > resources. > > Tink > > PS to the members on this list. > I would like to add a reminder to anyone on this list who may not > know, or has forgotten, that in order to post a Reply to a message on > this particular list, assuming you want your reply to appear on the > list, you must click on "Reply to All". If you click on "Reply", and > not "Reply to All", your response will only go to the individual who > posted the message that you are answering. Also when you only click > on Reply, your response will never appear in the archives for this > list and the message thread will be broken. It's unfortunate that so > much information that could be helpful to others never appears on > this list because of this quirk in the set-up. > > > > At 05:57 AM 10/27/09, Gordon Crooks@verizon.net wrote: >>Folks I sent the list yesterday, since it is an attachment, it >>probably won't show up as a msg., you will have to look at the >>PAFRANK digest to find it (I think). If it doers show up in a day >>or so I will send it to anyone who wants individually. >> >> Gordon >> Crooks >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you simply search google or any other search engines for "Scottish Naming Patterns" you will find many web sites with this information. -----Original Message----- From: pafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tink Miller Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:54 PM To: Gordon Crooks@verizon.net; PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Scottish nameing pattern Hi Gordon, I've been checking the archives for this list and your message with the attachment aren't there. Perhaps it only went to the person you were answering, rather than to the list. However, I'm pretty certain that attachments are never accepted on these Rootsweb County lists. Maybe you could paste the text into a message if it isn't too big. Otherwise the only other option, as you suggsted, is sending it as an attachment directly to individuals who request it. Put me on that list please, and thanks as always for sharing your expertise and resources. Tink PS to the members on this list. I would like to add a reminder to anyone on this list who may not know, or has forgotten, that in order to post a Reply to a message on this particular list, assuming you want your reply to appear on the list, you must click on "Reply to All". If you click on "Reply", and not "Reply to All", your response will only go to the individual who posted the message that you are answering. Also when you only click on Reply, your response will never appear in the archives for this list and the message thread will be broken. It's unfortunate that so much information that could be helpful to others never appears on this list because of this quirk in the set-up. At 05:57 AM 10/27/09, Gordon Crooks@verizon.net wrote: >Folks I sent the list yesterday, since it is an attachment, it >probably won't show up as a msg., you will have to look at the >PAFRANK digest to find it (I think). If it doers show up in a day >or so I will send it to anyone who wants individually. > > Gordon Crooks > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gordon, I've been checking the archives for this list and your message with the attachment aren't there. Perhaps it only went to the person you were answering, rather than to the list. However, I'm pretty certain that attachments are never accepted on these Rootsweb County lists. Maybe you could paste the text into a message if it isn't too big. Otherwise the only other option, as you suggsted, is sending it as an attachment directly to individuals who request it. Put me on that list please, and thanks as always for sharing your expertise and resources. Tink PS to the members on this list. I would like to add a reminder to anyone on this list who may not know, or has forgotten, that in order to post a Reply to a message on this particular list, assuming you want your reply to appear on the list, you must click on "Reply to All". If you click on "Reply", and not "Reply to All", your response will only go to the individual who posted the message that you are answering. Also when you only click on Reply, your response will never appear in the archives for this list and the message thread will be broken. It's unfortunate that so much information that could be helpful to others never appears on this list because of this quirk in the set-up. At 05:57 AM 10/27/09, Gordon Crooks@verizon.net wrote: >Folks I sent the list yesterday, since it is an attachment, it >probably won't show up as a msg., you will have to look at the >PAFRANK digest to find it (I think). If it doers show up in a day >or so I will send it to anyone who wants individually. > > Gordon Crooks > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That sounds like the one. As I recall, it did have a fence or something around it. Richard Weber ----- Original Message ----- From: jfitzatc@aol.com To: jbnimble1@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Mason-Dixon Marker Up til the late 80's there was one about fifteen feet from the Pennersville Road that had a cage around it....I think its still there...I'll check with my parents and/or sister who still live near there. Jeff Fitz -----Original Message----- From: jbnimble1@gmail.com <jbnimble@verizon.net> To: PAFRANKL@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Oct 28, 2009 1:22 pm Subject: [PAFRANKL] Mason-Dixon Marker In the 1950s there was an original Mason-Dixon marker stone on the PA-MD line at Blue Ridge Summit (southeastern Franklin Co, PA). Where is that marker stone now? This week I looked for it and did not find it. Either I've forgotten the precise location, or it's gone -- perhaps vandalized, perhaps moved to a safe place. Thanks Richard Weber ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the 1950s there was an original Mason-Dixon marker stone on the PA-MD line at Blue Ridge Summit (southeastern Franklin Co, PA). Where is that marker stone now? This week I looked for it and did not find it. Either I've forgotten the precise location, or it's gone -- perhaps vandalized, perhaps moved to a safe place. Thanks Richard Weber

How do I find out if there are estate papers for Andrew Morrison will probated 1807 living in Montgomery Two, Franklin County and obtain a copy if they exist? Josette Maxwell Boone NC

Folks I sent the list yesterday, since it is an attachment, it probably won't show up as a msg., you will have to look at the PAFRANK digest to find it (I think). If it doers show up in a day or so I will send it to anyone who wants individually. Gordon Crooks

All-- I think that you can bank on things that Gordon tells you. I always look at his postings even if the title does't seem to apply to me! For clarification, I would ask if the naming pattern means that a man would name his first born after his father, ie, the boy's grandfather. That seems to be the case in my lines. I hope this answers a few questions about American Presbyterian records. The following is part of the church and maintains the old records of many congregations. The Presbyterian Historical Society 425 Lombard Street Philadelphia, PA 19147 215-627-1852 www.history.pcusa.org They do not do research for you but they will give you a list of researchers in Philadelphia. You can search the website shown above to determine what church records they have. If you find records that interest you, you have the alternatives of hiring a researcher, visiting Philadelphia yourself, or paying $20 to get an interlibrary loan of microfilm through your local library. They have session minutes from 1790 for the PA congregation that interests me. I have not done any of the above yet! Maybe tomorrow. . . . ! --Jack

Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Presbyterian Church records Lee Ann: As I mentioned earlier directly to you, my books were on loan to a friend, however she did a look up and below is what she found:, as you can see she also looked into the 1766 Religious Census of Ireland, this means probably your Stitt's came from Londonderry County and specifically from Magherafelt Parish in the Armagh Diocese and that he was a Dissenter - that means he was a Presbyterian Convenanter and that he dissented from the Catholic Church and also the Church of Ireland. Rebecca also found land warrants in my books which are listed below. You will note that she found Stitt's in other paces in N. Ireland, however if the Scottish naming tradition first son is named after his father, so this could be a father and son listing. Off hand I can't think of anyway of pining it down as the 1766 Census exists only in fragments as the originals were burned in the 1921 Four Courts Fires in Dublin. Gordon Crooks > Dear Gordon, > > In the 1766 Religious Census of Ireland there is *William Stitt a > Dissenter from Magherafelt Parish, Armagh Diocese, Co. Londonderry. In the > same place also dissenters are James Stitt and John Stitt.There are other > Stitts listed, but in different places. > > I did not see Concord Church, I looked at all the burials, unless I > missed it, there is *no record for *William Stitt died after 1790 Census. > > I did find in Franklin Co. Land Warrants: > pg. 18 > David, James (2 warrants), warrant granted 20 Feb. 1754 in Montgomery twp. > for 162 acres and 11 May 1767 in Quincy twp. for 294 acres adjacent to > Henry > Curl, *William Stitt and South Mt. > > Rebecca > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon Crooks@verizon.net" <gordoncrooks@verizon.net> > To: Rebecca > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 7:05 AM > Subject: Fw: [PAFRANKL] Presbyterian Church records > > >> Rebecca: I found a latter burial, but you have my books, can you check >> Concord's burials in the book for me and see if there are earlier Stitt's >> buried there ? >> >> >> Gordon >> To: "Lee Anne Center" <lacenter@comcast.net> >> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 7:00 AM >> Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Presbyterian Church records >> >> >>> Yes there are Franklin Co. recorded all the early burials (over 79,000) >>> and I have most of them plus some Presbyterian Church records. Have you >>> checked the 1790 census report to see where he actually lived in the >>> County ? If so that would help me narrow down the search. Actually I am >>> not going to even need that I found him in a quick reference book that I >>> have, here it is: >>> >>> Concord United Presbyterian Church burials, Fannett Township, Franklin >>> County:: Marthat Jane Harris wife of John W. Stitt died Feb. 27, 1883, >>> age 45 years. >>> >>> This is the only listing I see for the Stitt name, however this gives me >>> an area to look at for other burials which I will try and do later on , >>> however I just remembered that I loaded out the two burial books >>> containing all the 79,000 burials to a friend and she won't return them >>> for two weeks. In any event I will get back to you further on this in >>> due >>> course. >>> >>> >>> Gordon Crooks >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lee Anne Center" <lacenter@comcast.net> >>> To: <PAFRANKL@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 12:35 AM >>> Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Presbyterian Church records >>> >>> >>>> Are there Presbyterian Church records that go back as far as the 1790s? >>>> I am >>>> looking for a 1791 death record for William Stitt who was said to have >>>> died >>>> in Franklin County PA in 1791. There are no probate or will records. I >>>> think >>>> that he would have been Presbyterian, as he was said to have immigrated >>>> from >>>> Northern Ireland and had Scots ancestors. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> NOTE: William may have been another denomination. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lee Anne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.31/2458 - Release Date: >>> 10/25/09 08:10:00 >>> >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.32/2460 - Release Date: 10/26/09 08:10:00

There are a few Presbyterian marriage records that early, but no birth or death records. Other places to check in Franklin 1. Orphan Court records SOMETIMES list the date of death. At least you can find an approximate date. 2.Ther early newspapers have been extracted and are indexed in card files at the Franklin County Historical Society. The obits seldom tell much other than the date of death, 3. If there was no will, there would still have been an estate settlement if he owned any property. Lots of clues to the date of death can be found in the land records when the heirs divided the property. In 1776 there is a William Stitt in Capt Abraham Smith's Regt, Cumberland Co, militia. According to the 1886 History of Franklin Co (pg 181) this Abraham Smith was from Lurgan Twp. Also - 1786 tax list, Antrim Twp - Widow Stitt. This is probably Dorothy English, widow of William Stitt whose will was proven 1778 in Cumberland Co (Franklin not formed until 1784) For more on this William see American Revolutionary Soldiers of Franklin County which also has info on James, John, William (JR) , and Thomas Stitt. There are abstracts of this book on PA Roots http://www.pa-roots.org/

Are there Presbyterian Church records that go back as far as the 1790s? I am looking for a 1791 death record for William Stitt who was said to have died in Franklin County PA in 1791. There are no probate or will records. I think that he would have been Presbyterian, as he was said to have immigrated from Northern Ireland and had Scots ancestors. NOTE: William may have been another denomination. Lee Anne

Are there Presbyterian Church records that go back as far as the 1790s? I am looking for a 1791 death record for William Stitt who was said to have died in Franklin County PA in 1791. There are no probate or will records. I think that he would have been Presbyterian, as he was said to have immigrated from Northern Ireland and had Scots ancestors. Lee Anne

Hello Fellow Listers: The Perry Historians will host an Olde Fashioned Hymn Sing on Sunday, November 1, 2009 at 1:45 p.m. at the Harry Lenig Library (home of The Perry Historians) in the Hoverter Archives addition. The singing will be led by Mr. Gerry Bell of Duncannon, PA. with accompaniment by Mr. Tom Loy of Loysville, PA.on the reed organ from the Harry Horting home in Little Buffalo Valley, Perry Co., PA.. Come share the music of past generations! Light refreshments will be provided. After the Hymn Sing, we will travel by car to the the Harry Horting home, now the home of Wayne and Barbara Perkins, where the Perkins' will graciously open their home for us to tour. This is FREE to all and all are welcome! For more information about The Perry Historians - http://www.ThePerryHistorians.org Physical street address: 763 Dix Hill Rd., New Bloomfield, PA. 17068 Mailing address: PO Box 73, Newport, PA. 17074-0073 Directions: Located on right hand side of Route 34 North, 2 miles from the square of New Bloomfield, or left hand side of Route 34 South, 4 miles from Newport.

This cemetery has just been designated as part of the Underground Railroad. check out the link to the news article below. Pat Smith in Tioga County PA http://www.publicopiniononline.com/ci_13603914

Hi all, This is a biggy! I need to find proof of a marraige for James CAMPBELL and a "Polly" SHOAFF ca 1819..........where would I look for that??? This info I found in the IGI so........................Any SHOAFF researchers who she might fit in with?????? This is what I found on her but "where" did it come from??? Polly SHOAFFb. 12 Sept, 1788 mrd James CAMPBELL ca 1819 James died in Macon Co, Illinois...............I do not find him ever in the census................His son and a couple other of his kids went to Macon, Illinois, some already married and stayed in Cumberland and Franklin Counties...................James died Sept 1, 1858................where did his wife Polly die and when???????????????? Thanks so much for any and all help!!! Sharon

Does anyone have the will or abstract of the will of Peter Witmer dated S 11, 1801 Franklin Co. per one genealogy? It is suppose to list his 12 children, and I wonder what their names were. Richard

I just found some dates for them.....................on-line, so who knows! James CAMPBELL b 13 Jan, 1793- d Sept 1858 Polly (probably Mary?) SHOAFF CAMPBELL b 12 Sept, 1788- d ???? Thanks! Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Frank" <sharon1@cfl.rr.com> To: <PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:51 AM Subject: CAMPBELL & SHOAFF > Hi all, > Is anyone researching this family? This is all I know, I saw online they > had a daughter Sarah Anne CAMPBELL b 17 March, 1824, Franklin ,Pa. > > ***James CAMPBELL & Mary Polly SHOAFF**** > > I'm trying to see if this is my Sarah A CAMPBELL who married John > LATSBAUGH-LAUTSBAUGH-LOTTSBAUGH-LOTZBACH (spelled lots of ways :-) mrd on > Jan 9, 1840 at Middle Spring Presby. Church in Cumberland County. > > > > Thanks so much for any help! > Sharon in Fl. >

Hi all, Is anyone researching this family? This is all I know, I saw online they had a daughter Sarah Anne CAMPBELL b 17 March, 1824, Franklin ,Pa. ***James CAMPBELL & Mary Polly SHOAFF**** I'm trying to see if this is my Sarah A CAMPBELL who married John LATSBAUGH-LAUTSBAUGH-LOTTSBAUGH-LOTZBACH (spelled lots of ways :-) mrd on Jan 9, 1840 at Middle Spring Presby. Church in Cumberland County. Thanks so much for any help! Sharon in Fl.

Folks: This URL will take you to William the Conquer's invaision of England in 1066 and tell you something about the Huguenots. http://www.essentialnormanconquest.com/ Gordon Crooks

Looks like it could be a GREAT EAGLE SCOUT project just getting it back the way it should be!!!! :-) Any scouters out there in the area????? Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Crooks@verizon.net" <gordoncrooks@verizon.net> To: <PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: [PAFRANKL] Fw: [MDWashin] Bachtell cemetery >I suggested they move it to Franklin Co., Pa. and told them they do a > terrific job and maintains theirs. > > Gordon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Snyder" <tsnyder888@msn.com> > To: <mdwashin@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:32 PM > Subject: [MDWashin] Bachtell cemetery > > >> >> Listers: >> >> There is an article in today's (Oct. 12) Herald-Mail about a neglected >> Bachtell family cemetery near Old Forge Elementary School. They are >> looking for someone to take over the care and maintenance of the >> cemetery. >> Check out the article online at: >> >> http://www.herald-mail.com/?cmd=displaystory&story_id=232088&format=html >> >> >> >> It is under a regular column entitled, "What's Wrong with this picture?" >> >> Tim Snyder >> >> >> >> >> >> ********* >> Visit the threaded archives of this list: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN >> ********* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDWASHIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.12/2431 - Release Date: 10/12/09 > 13:01:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >