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Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:56 AM THIS IS FROM A FIREND OF MINE WHO LIVES AND OWNS A DAIRY FARM IN ANTRIM Subject: Re: Gordon COUNTY, N. IRELAND. DEREK CAME OVER FOR A VISIT SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND I TOOK HIM ON A TOUR OF FRANKLIN COUNTY AND HE STAYED IN GREENCASTLE FOR TWO DAYS HE WAS KEENLY INTEREST IN THE FARMS AND THE PEOPLE HE MET. DEREK IS A MEMBER OF SEVERAL HISTORICAL AND GENEALOGICAL SOCIETIES. GORDON CROOKS > Hi Gordon, I have 146 acres of land , 10 acres across the road on the > townland of Heagles and the rest here at the Bootown or Booten as we > would pronounce it. about 12 acres of it is just Peat Moss / Scrub and > full of birch trees. > I have 100 head of cattle, 74 Milking Cows, about 6 Beef Cattle, one > Limosine Bull and the rest is replacement Freisian Heifers. > My Milking Barn or Parlour is a 6 point which only milks 6 cows a time. > It is a Gasgoine Herringbone Parlour. > > I always meant to answer an earlier email you sent me about the price of > milk and how the Supermarkets are ripping off the farmers. Its the same > over here. We are now getting 27 pence By right we should be getting > about 35 p per litre. > This past year Dairy farmers have been getting as little as 15pence per > litre of milk, The average price has been around 18 pence per litre. It > costs between 14 - 16 pence to produce. Yet price of fuel, Fertilizer, > Animal feed and other farm needs was rapidly rising in price which was > making it very hard to make ends meet. > Recently, In order to get a special meeting with our Co-Op "United Dairy > Farmers Ltd," we needed 110 signatures from United Members, I and my > comrades gatherred 200 signatures. > Read this Link to see who the main Principle Requestor was;- > http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/2009/08/20/117271/low-price-explanation-demanded-by-ni-milk-producers.html > > Once we posted the signatures, I was called by United Management and > threatened with Legal action, other members were also threatened and > intimidated. This was a disgrace, we only wanted a meeting to try and > get a better price. We also had the backing from Dairy farmers across > the whole of Britain, as our milk was so cheap in N Ireland that the > Supermarkets was buying it, instead of Milk on the Mainland thus further > hurting the Dairy Industry there. > Funny thing is that in the run-up to this meeting our milk price rose by > two pence making it 20p per litre. There is nothing like buying off > votes from farmers !! > We had our meeting, I had to speak for the first time in front of 500 > people, I managed to make a very good speech and was told that I got our > points across very well. > Unfortunatly, another FFA member who was to be taking the questions in > regards to the Marketing. This man didnt turn up which went against me. > Then the vote for our Resolutions which included Proxy Votes (Which I > have not seen yet) was defeated by a large margin. So much for relying > on our N Ireland Farmers. But there was about 4 members of the UFU who > said they were against us, once that hapenned the rest of the farmers as > usual followed suit. > Although we lost, I was glad that I had done my job to "Rock the Boat". > I was even praised by a few Members of the Board for having the courage > to do what I did even though they did not agree with the Resolutions. I > was even asked if I would like to stand for election to the Board as I > was praised for the great speech I made. > The next milk auction saw another price rise which is now 23 pence per > litre, So it is going in the right direction.This proves that "Pressure > Works". > As for me, I now know that I have Courage and good Speaking abillities > to do it again if I need to. I also received a congratulatory phone call > from David Handley to founder of Farmers For Action. > > So there you have it, I dread to think just what 2010 holds for us > Farmers. > > Anyhow, hope you had a good Christmas. > > Best Wishes. > > Derek. > > > > Gordon Crooks@verizon.net wrote: >> Derek: I have been meaning to write you since you wrote about your >> farm and it raised some questions with me. >> >> How many milking cows do you have ? How many acres of land ? How many >> heifers and how many beef cattle. Any other animals? I know that you >> have just one farm hand, so how do you manage milking all of those >> cows, how is your milking barn equipped? >> >> Gordon > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: 12/30/09 07:27:00

Folks: this was sent to me from Ireland and will perhaps be of interest to those of Ulsterscots Ancestry. Gordon Crooks From: Irish Family Research [mailto:ancestors@irishfamilyresearch.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 30 December 2009 3:22 AM To: Irish Family Research Subject: Seasons Greetings from Irish Family Research ! Seasons Greetings from Irish Family Research ! The past year has been an extremely busy one at IFR, with the addition of further rare and unique databases to help in your Irish Family Research. A selection of the latest databases appears at the end of this email. Some thoughts on an Irish Emigrant's First Christmas in 19th Century New York Can you identify your pioneering Ancestor who took that bold step of leaving Ireland for America ? The mass exodus from Ireland following the Potato Blight of 1846 saw over 1 million Irish emigrants pass through Castle Gardens between 1847-1861, all seeking to escape starvation, poverty and hardship. The majority arrived on American shores penniless. For most Irish emigrants a farm environment in Ireland was all they would have known, where very little time and attention was paid to literacy. This meant that their only source of employment on arrival in New York was in the unskilled labour market (for men) and domestic service (for women). The 19th Century unskilled labour market was a dangerous one with very little pay, as our Irish Ancestors helped dig America's first canals, lay the first Railroad tracks, and pave New York's Streets. The Domestic Service market was no better, where hard labour and long hours was met with minimal pay. With no savings, income or employment, many of our Irish Ancestors found themselves trapped in New York. The farmhouse and green fields of Ireland were replaced with over-crowded tenements filled with destitution, filth and disease. Whilst in Ireland, our Ancestor may have complained about having to share the family home with numerous siblings, parents and grandparents. In New York, they would have found themselves sharing a room with three, maybe four different families. In 1862 over 6,000 families were found to be living in Cellars in New York, with no light, drainage or sanitation. The stark reality in those early years of emigration was that most Irish Ancestors were worse off for leaving Ireland - many wanted to return home: few could afford to. Yet despite the hardships of life in the New World, with perseverance, our Irish Ancestors were able to claw their way out of the slums and secure a better future for themselves, and ultimately their families, both in the New World and in Ireland. Updates to the Irish Family Research Website Below is a list of the latest updates to the Irish Family Research Website: 1.. Marriage Registers of St.Andrews Parish Church, Dublin, 1801-1819; 2.. Voters Lists for Co. Kildare, 1920; 3.. Voters Lists for Bray (Counties Dublin & Wicklow), 1909; 4.. 18th and 19th Century Records (including Parish Registers & Graveyard Inscriptions) of Ballingarry, Co. Limerick; 5.. Further additions to the Memorials of the Dead Database which now includes over 70,000 individual inscriptions spanning long-forgotten Graveyards across the whole of Ireland; 6.. Voters of Maryborough (Queens County), 1760 7.. Members of the Dublin Society of Irishmen (1792-1794) 8.. New Surnames List - including Biographies, Pedigrees, Wills of those families in our possession. You can find hundreds of rare Databases covering all Irish Counties online at www.irishfamilyresearch.co.uk, and don't forget to visit our Research Interests Page where you might just find a distant relative researching your family tree ! With Best Wishes for a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year. The IFR Team www.irishfamilyresearch.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2592 - Release Date: 12/29/09 07:47:00

These are excerpts from the book below and there are mentions of some Franklin County families which were sent to me by a friend Gordon Crooks “Scotch-Irish Merchants in Colonial America” By Richard K. MacMaster Ulster Historical Foundation 2009 My understanding of what he wrote: The Jackson family leased an estate from the clothworkers. They raised the annual rent to their farmers after May 1717. Aghadowey Presbyterian minister, Rev. James McGregor encouraged his congregation to move to America. Crop failure in the late 1720s caused more emigration. By 1730 food was available again in Ireland and few left that year. The 1660 Navigation Acts- Sugar and Tobacco could be sent from America to Ireland. America could only send goods through English ports. By the 1680s woolens from Ireland were competing with Englands. Parliament excluded Irish woolens, but Irish linen making was encouraged. To get Irish linen in America it had to go to England first. This was lifted in 1705. The Irish needed profitable shipping, the linen was needed in America. The Irish had been getting flaxseed from Holland. Later American flaxseed was imported to Ireland, then the ships would return to America with passengers and redemptioners. When they returned with flaxseed more families were able to buy passage to America the next year. Emigration was part of life in Ulster. Many left for New Castle, Delaware and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania every year. Pennsylvania taxed Irish servants imported there, More came into New Castle then. In 1740 there was famine in Ireland, Philadelphia sent ships with grain. Hugh Davey and Samuel Carsan offered servants coming on the Ship “Mary Ann” from Belfast. This ship had a very bad crossing, taking 3 months. Not enough food, 20 people died and they had to stop in New York for provisions before ending up in Philadelphia. John Erwin from Coleraine brought Irish Linnens to Philadelphia. His partner at times was Thomas Robinson who brought servants. The Ulster-born merchants had connections in the American backcountry. There were advertisements in Ireland for people to come to Wilmington and Cape Fear in North Carolina. Governor Arthur Dobbs of North Carolina was from Carrickfergus and had John Gordon, a Belfast merchant, find passengers to remove to North Carolina. John Torrans in 1758 moved to Charleston, South Carolina. Patrick Allison moved from Lancaster to Somerset County, Maryland. His daughter married David Caldwell……much more on the Allisons. Rev. James Anderson was a minister in Lancaster County.(pg. 109) William Buchanan was in Marsh Creek, then Carlisle in 1752, later Gettysburg. He was an Innkeeper. He mentions George Croghan, John Armstrong etc. as commissioners to help with a road for Braddock. He talks about Big Cove in 1755. William Buchanan was in business with Barnabas Hughes, and Thomas Smallman an Indian trader. Apparantly George Croghan was Smallman’s cousin and backed him. He talks about James Fullton who depended on getting flaxseed and flour to take to Ireland. George Erwin was one of the merchants in York. Fullton had customers in many places including Rocky Spring (Chambersburg) and “Conigogigg” (Mercersburg). (Pg. 118).He mentions David Rhea and others including John Allison . (Pg. 119). James and Randle Mitchell from Glenarm, Co. Antrim, Ireland supplied goods to merchants, and the merchants sent flaxseed to them. Charles Hamilton (Lancaster) married a Mitchell niece. (Pg. 121) Archibald McAllister from Ulster settled at Big Spring in Cumbberland County in 1732. His son was Richard McAllister laid out Hanover, Pa. ___________________________________ (My James (Mc)Keirel was in the area in 1774. John Dean had come to the Tuscarora and talked to James about moving to Little Trough Creek ( near present Calvin area of Huntingdon Co., Pa.) where John had settled in October 1772. James did move in the spring of 1774, and started building. James had a cabin and half a barn and threshing floor, and ten acres had been cleared. He was taxed in 1776 in Hopewell Township for 100 acres of land. The other James McCarroll of York, son of John bought in 1774 James McAllister’s mill which was later called McCarroll’s Mill, it was where Letterkenny Resevoir is now. KITTOCHTINNY HISTORICAL SOCIETY PAPERS states James McAllister's mill was sold to James McCarrell, of York county, for 500 pounds in 1774.) _________________________________________ James Srerrett & Son were in Baltimore, which I had gotten info on them at The Maryland Historical Society Library when trying to figure out who Reuben Sterret was, beside son of Margaret McCardle from Thomas McDowell’s 1806 Will. I see many other names I recognize. One is William Beatty, Merchant of Belfast. He talks about the John Stevenson family from Londonderry who were in Baltimore about 1745. (Pg. 203) I had looked at them also trying to figure out my William Stevens whose father was born in Ireland and my William was born in 1816 in Pennsylvania. Daniel McHenry was from Ballymena , moved to Philadelphia by 1772, and then to Baltimore with his family. He was an importer of dry goods. (Pg. 213) I looked at the original books at the Md. Hist. Soc. Library before. And then there is James McHenry and Fort McHenry in Baltimore. Hugh Thompson a nephew of Thomas Ewing came to Baltimore in 1784.(Pg. 223) There is more on the Thompsons on page 236. He mentions George Anderson and William Beath of Newry. On page 237. Archibald Stewart of Ballintoy arrived in Providence, Rhode Island in April 1763 bringing Linen cloth. (Pg. 243) He talked about Joseph M’Min family who was in Hopewell Twp., Cumberland county, and how during the Indian war went back to Ulster. (Pg. 271) He mentions the Ship “Newry Assistance” bringing servants in 1769. Pg. 274) ________________________________ York County Will Abstracts 1749-1819 *ERWIN, Joseph. Reading Township. May 16, 1771 February 11, 1772 Executor: John Erwin. Wife: Mary Erwin. Children: John, James, and *Sarah. (I believe this is John Fails/ Fields wife, Sarah and mother of my Margaret Mc(Keirel)) _______________________________ These other Erwins were found in the same county as our Joseph Erwin. ERWIN, William. Cumberland Township. November 16, 1774 December 9, 1774 Executor: John Stosach. Wife: Rachel Erwin. Children: Arthur, Archibald, and Mary. _____________________________________ ERWIN, Arthur. Fairview Township. December 8, 1804 February 24, 1806 Executors: Joseph Person and Margaret Erwin. Children: Arthur and Margaret. The Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography - Google Books Result by Historical Society of Pennsylvania - 1895 - 7.150 [Joseph Erwin, the writer of the following narrative, was the second son of ... a later date in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, and Steuben County, New York. ... Earlier today I found "The Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography" 1895 Joseph Erwin wrote about his life when he came to America in 1768 on the ship "Newry Assistance" from where he was born,Cromlin Parish, Co. Antrim, Ireland with his father Arthur Erwin. His mother died on ship.His father then married Mary Kennedy. He went to live with Thomas Irwin store merchant in Philadelphia. He was later apprenticed and became an importer. He mentioned his Uncle William Erwin Esquire (brother of Arthur) living in Dyerstown. Joseph Erwin also mentioned his oldest brother John died March 1782. Now, my Joseph Erwin's Will and the two others with Wills in York Co. are the people in the Biography. Uncle William and Arthur, sons John, Joseph ( whose biography it was). Since, my Joseph seems to be the same age as William, could they be brothers or *cousins? James Wilson in Lancaster County was a middleman for buying indentured servants. (Pg. 278) I don’t think this is the same James Wilson, but I had looked at the Wilsons before. Rev. John Cuthberston was sent to America in 1751 to Minister to the Reformed Presbyterians (Covenanters) as a Missionary. In his Diary he recorded that the Licking Creek and The Cove Society, also called “Timber Ridge” was near the Cumberland (now Franklin Co.) line, about 10 miles west from Mercersburg. He records Covenanters were there by 1748. His first record was August 26, 1751. November 18, 1751 he rode to James Wilsons on Lickencreek. The Wilsons had children baptized on November 19, 1751. In the Fall of 1779, Rev. John Cuthbertson took a Ministry trip to the Monongahela area about twenty miles southeast of Pittsburg. James Wilson and his son Zaccheus left Burnt Cabins in Bedford Co. (now Fulton Co.) Pa. and settled near Pittsburg in 1769. The following year they moved to the Forks of the Yough. Rev. Cuthbertson mentions them in his Diary in 1779. Major James Wilson, was married to Isabel Barr, and fought in Westmoreland County and a number of Barrs and other neighbors from Fort Loudon are buried in the Barr Cemetery in Westmoreland County. The Continental Congress decided to not import from Great Britain. The last of the flaxseed ships sailed in 1775 and the trade came to an end. to MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! 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Hi Gordon Try this http://www.spub.co.uk/tgi4/links03.php JohN Its appears I left out one letter of the URL, here is the corrected one: Gordon __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Start a New Topic MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parenting Zone: Your community resource for family and home Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. __,_._,___ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.122/2590 - Release Date: 12/28/09 07:16:00

Hi All, I couldn't get either version to work. Turns out the letter behind the "tg" part of the address has to be a lower case "i". Here's the url I just used and it works: http://www.spub.co.uk/tgi4/links.php Tink At 05:21 AM 12/28/2009, Gordon Crooks@verizon.net wrote: >Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:20 AM >Subject: CORRECTION > > >Its appears I left out one letter of the URL, here is the corrected one: > >http://www.spub.co.uk/tg14/links03.php > > Gordon > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: CORRECTION Its appears I left out one letter of the URL, here is the corrected one: http://www.spub.co.uk/tg14/links03.php Gordon

Hi Folks: below is a URL which will take you to a complete list of web sites available in the U.K. and by using some of them will take you to other countires such as Germany and Holland. Happy hunting! http://www.spub.co.uk/tg14/link03.php Gordon Crooks

John Stayman (1795-1871) and wife Lydia (1805-1884) of Lurgan Twp, Franklin Co, PA are both buried in the Otterbein United Brethren Cemetery. Children from census records: John 1827, Samuel 1829, Harried C 1833, Michael 1835, Henry 1837, Sarah 1838 and James 1842. Several family tress on the internet list Lydia's surname as GOODEAGLE. In the 1880 census, Lydia's birthplace as well as that of her parents is given as PA. Can not find anyone of that surname in the entire state in any censual record. Would like to find Lydia's maiden name - any clues about what surname could possibly have been mistakenly read as GOODEAGLE.? Could she possibly have been a GUTSHALK (Cutchall, Godshall, etc)? Any clues appreciated! Carolyn

Descendants of Peter Helman 1 Peter HELMAN b: October 1814 in Franklin Co., PA (appears in 1860 and 1880 Leaf River Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: November 22, 1889 in Ogle Co., IL . +Julia ESSIG m: March 25, 1830 in Chambersburg, Franklin Co., PA *2nd Wife of Peter HELMAN: . +Catherine Ann FINIFROCK b: 1805 m: September 1836 in Franklin Co., PA . 2 David HELMAN b: August 1838 in Franklin Co., PA ..... +Mary OSBORNE . 2 Susan HELMAN b: February 17, 1844 in Franklin Co., PA ..... +Thomas MORGAN m: April 05, 1866 in Winnebago Co., IL *3rd Wife of Peter HELMAN: . +Hannah Jane TAYLOR b: September 17, 1815 in Franklin Co., PA m: Aft. 1841 d: March 04, 1894 in Maryland Twp., Ogle Co., IL . 2 Peter Joseph HELMAN b: November 15, 1850 in Franklin Co., PA d: 1871 in Ogle Co., IL . 2 Clara Ellen HELMAN b: September 26, 1853 in Franklin Co., PA ..... +Charles MELCHIOR m: January 15, 1884 in Freeport, Stephenson Co., IL . 2 Daniel Walter HELMAN b: September 11, 1858 in PA (appears in 1930 Nashua Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: June 26, 1941 in Leaf River Twp., Ogle Co., IL . 2 Benjamin Franklin HELMAN b: September 1857 in IN (appears in 1900 Leaf River Twp. and 1930 Lightsville, Leaf River Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: March 16, 1943 in Rockford, Winnebago Co., IL Burial: Lightsville Cemetery, Leaf River Twp., Ogle Co., IL ..... +Lucy Ellen BARBER b: February 22, 1871 in Hennepin, Putnam Co., IL m: January 25, 1888 in Forreston, Forreston Twp., Ogle Co., IL d: November 29, 1945 in at the home of her son, Ernest, Leaf River, Ogle Co., IL Burial: Lightsville Cemetery, Leaf River Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: Josiah Barber Mother: Nancy Catherine Poffenberger ..... 3 Iva HELMAN ..... 3 Lugardu HELMAN ..... 3 William Edward HELMAN b: May 20, 1888 in Ogle Co., IL d: July 27, 1964 in Winnebago Co., IL Burial: Lightsville Cemetery, Leaf River Twp., Ogle Co., IL ......... +Verna Belle BECK b: July 03, 1891 in Myrtle, Leaf River Twp., Ogle Co., IL d: April 06, 1969 in Winnebago Co., IL Burial: Lightsville Cemetery, Leaf River Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: Harry Luther Beck Mother: Henrietta Ellen Fiser ..... 3 Charlotte "Lottie" May HELMAN b: November 01, 1889 in IL d: 1966 Burial: Cedar Hill (Salem) Cemetery, Pine Creek Twp., Ogle Co., IL ......... +Martin Luther WHETSEL b: September 13, 1884 in IL (appears in 1930 Buffalo Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) m: June 19, 1908 in Rockford, Winnebago Co., IL d: September 30, 1960 in Mt. Morris, Ogle Co., IL Burial: Cedar Hill (Salem) Cemetery, Pine Creek Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: Jackson Whetsel Mother: Nancy Garber ..... 3 Nellie Jane HELMAN b: December 1891 in IL d: 1935 Burial: Cedar Hill (Salem) Cemetery, Pine Creek Twp., Ogle Co., IL ......... +Jesse Dale SUTER b: November 24, 1889 in Mt. Morris, Ogle Co., IL (appears in 1930 Nashua Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) m: October 16, 1910 in Leaf River Twp., Ogle Co., IL d: May 02, 1966 in Dixon, Lee Co., IL Burial: Cedar Hill (Salem) Cemetery, Pine Creek Twp., Ogle Co., IL Father: Samuel Belman Suter Mother: Mary Elizabeth Whetsel ..... 3 Minnie L. HELMAN b: July 1895 in IL d: 1970 Burial: Lightsville Cemetery, Leaf River Twp., Ogle Co., IL ......... +Harry Lyman WRIGHT b: 1887 in IL (appears in 1930 Oregon, Oregon Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: 1959 Burial: Lightsville Cemetery, Leaf River Twp., Ogle Co., IL ..... 3 Addie Lillian HELMAN b: February 19, 1900 in Ogle Co., IL d: September 1989 in Oregon, Ogle Co., IL ......... +Ray LUMSDEN b: February 18, 1897 in IL (appears in 1930 Nashua Twp., Ogle Co., IL census) d: March 1974 in Oregon, Ogle Co., IL Father: Henry Lumsden Mother: Dirtje "Dora" Bolhous ..... 3 Bertha Ellen HELMAN b: June 12, 1902 in Leaf River, Ogle Co., IL ......... +Darold Earl RINEDOLLAR ..... 3 Ernest F. HELMAN b: July 15, 1912 in Leaf River, Ogle Co., IL d: April 15, 1998 in Leaf River, Ogle Co., IL Burial: Lightsville Cemetery, Leaf River Twp., Ogle Co., IL ......... +Maxine Jeanette ZILLIOX b: August 10, 1918 in Ogle Co., IL m: Bef. 1967 d: January 17, 1988 in Byron, Ogle Co., IL Father: Benjamin Jacob Zilliox Mother: Vivian Naomi Kuntzelman ..... *2nd Wife of Ernest F. HELMAN: ......... +Dixie BROWN m: January 24, 1967 in Freeport, Stephenson Co., IL Roger Cramer Peoria, Arizona Roger and Sue Cramer's Genealogy Site http://members.cox.net/rogercubs/index.html Ogle Co., IL Genealogy Site http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ilogle/

Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [scots-origins] Re: names THIS CAME TO ME FROM SCOTLAND, AS YOU CAN SEE THE SCOTS ARE STILL HAVEING NAMEING PROBLEMS GORDON > All the talk of naming patterns is very interesting, but it should be > remembered that first and family names mean/meant little or nothing in the > Highlands. It is not unusual to have, in a small village school, a large number > of children who shared the same names. YES! A neighbour in Urray parish had the common name of Ishbell Mackay. She may still be alive. So many Mackay women had that name, she was better know as PIGS MACKAY. In her village she was the only pig farmer surnamed Mackay. BCC sent to her neighbour! Alistair We identified everyone by a nick > name. > Examples: > Willie Charger.... ran off when the rent man came. > Young Jock the Coo .... Knew everything to know about cattle > Rab the Coo...... Jock's younger brother > Old Jock the Coo... their father > Black Tierlach (Charlie) ... Just a mean SOB __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group Messages in this topic (31) Recent Activity: a.. New Members 1 Visit Your Group Start a New Topic ------------------------------------------------------- This message comes from the Scots Origins Discussion Group, sponsored by Scots Origins (www.scotsorigins.com). The group has been set up so that members can share genealogical information about Scotland, to reply send an email to scots-origins@yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to: scots-origins-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parenting Zone: Your community resource for family and home Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. __,_._,___ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.88/2538 - Release Date: 12/01/09 07:59:00

Were there any Prices? My John Price (a Catholic) left County Donegal for Franklin County about 1791. Gerry

Last night, we updated our online database, adding over 5,000 new names, bringing our online total to now over 613,000 names online. Many of the names are from Franklin and Washington counties. You may see what we have at: http://familyhart.info Thanks! Don & Jeanine Hartman FamilyHart http://familyhart.info twitter-@familyhart Rootsweb List Admins for: Pennsylvania, PADutchGenONLY, Penna-Dutch, PAYork, PA-York-Gen, MD-Fred-Gen, MDWashin, Burket, Dierdorff, Gotshall, Glattfelder, Hartman, Kohr, Kaufman, Shirk, Sturm USGENWEB CCs for: Adams Co., PA; Franklin Co., PA: Lancaster Co., PA; York Co., PA; Frederick Co., MD; Washington Co., MD Any genealogical information sent to FamilyHart grants permission to use that information for any genealogical purposes by FamilyHart.

Someone some time ago asked me about weavers and flax growers in Antrin, N. Ireland, I now have the entire 1791 list of flax growers and will do look ups for anyone interested. Gordon Crooks

Gordon jogged my memory that I had never tracked down those people. I read what turned up on the first two pages of google, not deep or detailed enough.  I'll try the state library or archives in Harrisburg and genweb for Fayette Co.Margie --                     

Folks I have just come home from eye surgery, so I am not going to be very active for a week or so until all the bandages are removed etc. I will book mark anything for a futre reply. Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tink Miller" <tmiller@pirs.org> To: "Marjorie Bridges" <proudtobescottish@yahoo.com>; <pafrankl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Redstone > > Hi Margie, > > I imagine Gordon will have some excellent info to share, as > always. Meanwhile, if you Google "Redstone Old Fort" (without the > quote marks) several links come up. Here is the link to one article > on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redstone_Old_Fort > > Tink > > > At 11:36 AM 11/25/2009, Marjorie Bridges wrote: >>Dear Gordon,Where can I find out more about Redstone Old Fort? I >>want to look for two names in connection with it, Bridges and >>Mitchell. Supposedly the first two children of George and Sarah >>Mitchell was born there around 1785. By 1792 they were in Mason Co., >>KY. Then I am looking for a Joseph or any other Bridges who might >>have been connected with the French-Indian wars in Western PA--was it >>1759? >>Margie Bridges >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.82/2525 - Release Date: 11/25/09 07:31:00

Can anyone tell me how complete the 1828 Septennial Census record is for Franklin Co.., and whether anyone has access to this? I'd like a lookup for one surname. I just ran across a listing of three different so called "septennial" census records for Franklin Co. that I had never heard of before. Has anyone else heard or seen these? Is the writing legible? Why wouldn't they be in Ancestry? They are not found in the LDS library's index either. This is the reference I found: "Source: Septennial Census Returns, 1779-1863; Roll No. 3, Franklin County, 1828-Lancaster County, 1800. Reel No. 0244. Microfilm in the Pennsylvania State Archives, Harrisburg PA. Franklin County Listed in the 1828, 1835 and 1842 Septennial Censuses "

Hi Margie, I imagine Gordon will have some excellent info to share, as always. Meanwhile, if you Google "Redstone Old Fort" (without the quote marks) several links come up. Here is the link to one article on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redstone_Old_Fort Tink At 11:36 AM 11/25/2009, Marjorie Bridges wrote: >Dear Gordon,Where can I find out more about Redstone Old Fort? I >want to look for two names in connection with it, Bridges and >Mitchell. Supposedly the first two children of George and Sarah >Mitchell was born there around 1785. By 1792 they were in Mason Co., >KY. Then I am looking for a Joseph or any other Bridges who might >have been connected with the French-Indian wars in Western PA--was it 1759? >Margie Bridges > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Gordon,Where can I find out more about Redstone Old Fort?  I want to look for two names in connection with it, Bridges and Mitchell. Supposedly the first two children of George and Sarah Mitchell was born there around 1785. By 1792 they were in Mason Co., KY. Then I am looking for a Joseph or any other Bridges who might have been connected with the French-Indian wars in Western PA--was it 1759?  Margie Bridges

This was sent to me by another member of the Crooks family and is Col. thomas Crooks who formed and lead the first American Ranger Regiment during the French & Indian wars. He was awarded land under a Virginia Certificate issued by the Royal Governor of Virginia, this land was name Crookston Plantation was was actually in todays Franklin County. I am not sure if Col. Crooks ever lived on it or not as it was sold to someone else. I am not directly related to Col. Crooks, however one opf mine did serve in his regiment. Gordon Crooks. The following is from the HIstory of Washington County: West Brownsville Borough (pp. 635) History of Washington County, Pennsylvania * On the left bank of the Monongahela River, sixty-three miles above the city of Pittsburgh, and fifty-four miles by the Pittsburgh, Virginia and Charleston Railroad (or, as now known, the Monongahela Division of the Pennsylvania Railroad),1 is situated the rather unpretentious borough of West Brownsville, the present terminus of the railroad mentioned. It contains the large and well-known boat- yard of Axton & Pringle, the extensive planing-mills of Thomas Aubrey & Sons, a handsome public school building, an Episcopal Church edifice, two hotels, several mercantile houses, about six hundred inhabitants, and is connected with the ancient town of Brownsville, Fayette Co., Pa., by a substantial covered bridge, six hundred and thirty feet in length, which, commenced in 1832, was completed in 1833, after an expenditure of about fifty thousand dollars. [1Trains first began making regular trips between West Brownsville and Pittsburgh May 15, 1881.] Although West Brownsville is but a modest, unassuming little borough, and occupies, comparatively speaking, but an insignificant portion of the surface of Washington County, its history is not uninteresting. It seems that during the middle of the last century, and prior to the year 1769, a friendly Indian named William Peters, yet more generally known as "Indian Peter," lived on lands in the Youghiogheny Valley, adjoining a German named Philip Shute,1 with whom he could not agree. Thereupon Indian Peter wrote the proprietaries' agent, saying that he could not "get along with the d—d Dutchman," and wished to give up his land for another tract. His request was promptly complied with it appears, for on the 5th day of April, 1769, but two days after the land-office (for the sale of land in this newly-purchased territory) was opened, warrant No. 2844 was granted him for a tract containing three hundred and thirty-nine acres situated on the west side of the Monongahela River. This land was surveyed Oct. 7, 1769, by James Hendricks, deputy surveyor-general, who gave it the name of "Indian Hill." [1Shute was a member of the Gist settlement, and was there when Capt. John Steele was at Redstone in 1768.] It is very probable that Indian Peter took up his abode on Indian Hill soon after obtaining a title to the tract, for we find that on the 22nd day of February, 1775, the Virginia court, then in session at Fort Dunmore, licensed Michael Cresap "to keep a ferry over the Monongahela from his house at Redstone Old Fort to the land of Indian Peter." The latter died probably before the organization of this county, as the records show that the first civil suit entered in the Washington County Court of Common Pleas was brought on the 17th day of September, 1781, and that the defendant was a widow woman of the name of Mary Peters. This woman, doubtless, was the widow of Indian Peter. Meanwhile, much travel centered at the Redstone Ferry. Here many emigrants to the Western and Southwestern regions, after long and wearied journeys over mountain roads and trails, could embark in Kentucky or Orleans boats and float to their destinations, while others who did not propose going so far crossed to the left bank of the river, and with wagons wended their way to points in the territory now known as Washington and Greene Counties and West Virginia. The needs of a passable road, therefore, from the ferry to the county-seat were urgent, and on the 1st day of January, 1782, viewers were appointed by the Court of Quarter Sessions to lay out a road from Bassett Town (now Washington) to Redstone Ferry. While these improvements were being made or contemplated, the county of Washington was rapidly filling up with an energetic people, and Redstone Old Fort, or Brownsville, becoming an active business centre, it was not possible for the beautiful tract in the possession of Indian Peter's widow to long remain unimproved, a bar to the progressive spirit prevailing. Hence, during the spring of 1784, Neal Gillespie (a native of Ireland, and great-grandfather of Hon. James G. Blaine) purchased the Indian Hill property, as the following curious instrument (recorded in Book B, vol. i. p. 406, county recorder's office) indicates: "March ye 3, 1784. "Memorandum of a Bargain mead Between Marey Petters and William oldest son and Neal Gillespey, the agrement is thos, that we the above do bargain and seal to send Neal Geallespie the Tract of land which we now poses and all the tenements and boundries of said Land at forty five Shillings pr. Acker the tearm of Peaments the 15th of next October fower hundred Pounds to be Paid in money or moneys worth for this Peament two ton of Iron at teen pence Pr pound and one Negro at Preasment of two men, one hundred pound more to be pead at the same time of this Preasment or Else to Draw In trust for one Year, the Remainder of the Purches money to be Pead in two Peaments—First in the [year] 1786, the Next the year 1788, Each of these Peaments to be mead in October 15th the above Bound marey Petters and william Petters asserts to meak the said Neal Gillespee a proper Right for said land for which he have seat our hands and Seals. (Signed) her "JOHN MA CORTNEY. "MAREY XII PETTERS. mark." "JOHN NIXON. his "WILLIAM XIX PETTERS. mark. "Acknowledged before THOMAS CROOKS Feb. 25, 1786." Continue to browse for more info on Thomas Reference point of story below Col. Thomas Crooks came into the Territory of West Bethlehem Township, and on a Virginia certificate took up a tract of land on Pigeon Creek, which was called "Richard's Valley." This property was surveyed to Mr. Crooks Feb. 25, 1785. Col. Crooks was a man prominent in all local and public affairs, and held many offices of importance and trust. He died Feb. 25, 1815, aged eighty years, and his widow, Mrs. Judith Parr Crooks, died April 30, 1823, at the age of eighty- three years. The homestead upon which they lived and died is now owned by Jacob Swagler. At the death of Col. Crooks the Reporter, of Washington, published the following: "Richard's Valley, Feb. 25, 1815. "Died. -- This morning, at his place, in his old mansion, at half-past five o'clock, that worthy old patriot, Thomas Crooks, of West Bethlehem township, where he was among the first emigrants in the western country, and was early on the stages of public business. In the militia he was an officer of high rank at the beginning of the Revolution, was alert in routing the savages to the westward, was a zealous patriot throughout the Revolutionary war, and presided many years as a justice of the peace. He was a very warm friend and an implacable enemy. He bore a severe and lingering illness with resigned patience." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.69/2508 - Release Date: 11/17/09 07:40:00 Don Harper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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