Craig, I checked Ancestry.com and only found this one census entry using any variation of the surname: 1790 census - Manheim, Lancaster Co., PA: Ludwig Sweiger - 1 free white male age 16+; 3 free white males under age 16; 2 free white females. No reference to Revolutionary War service. Tink -----Original Message----- From: [1]pafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com [[2] mailto:pafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon [3]Crooks@verizon.net Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:50 AM To: Craig Paxton Cc: [4]PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] SAR Dics Sorry Craig I couldn't find anything. I also checked other variations of the name and nothing. This doersn't mean he was or wasn't S A R because rthe disc is only estimated to be aroubnd 85% accurate. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Paxton To: [5]gordoncrooks@verizon.net Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:10 AM Subject: SAR Dics Hi! Gordon, Could you please check your SAR disc on names for a: Ludwig Schwieger or Sweger or something that might be close to that. spelling? Thanks, Craig References 1. mailto:pafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com 2. mailto:pafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:Crooks@verizon.net 4. mailto:PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com 5. mailto:gordoncrooks@verizon.net

Donna: Are you sending snow sleds to pick us up ? Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Heller Zinn" <djzinn@pa.net> To: <PAFRANKL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: [PAFRANKL] The Perry Historians - Special Presentation > Hello Fellow Listers: > > > > The Perry Historians is hosting their first Special Presentation of the > year > on Sunday, February 28, 2010 at 2:00 p.m. > > in the upstairs of the Hoverter Archives at The Perry Historians' Harry > Lenig Library. > > > > Our special speaker, Mr. Richard Geidel will be speaking on the Wallis > Site > Dig, located near the Wallis Family Homestead along Rt.11/15 at Liverpool. > > > > Mr. Geidel served as the Project Manager for the archaeological > excavations > of the Wallis Site (36Pe16) by KCI Technologies, Inc. for the Pennsylvania > Department of Transportation. > > > > Artifacts dating back thousands of years were found at this site showing > pre-historic occupation during periods when the Susquehanna River was at a > lower height than present-day. > > > > Richard Geidel is a Registered Professional Archaeologist with over 34 > years > experience directing and managing archaeological and historic preservation > projects. Most of his career has focused on archaeology in Pennsylvania, > but he also has worked throughout the eastern United States and in Alaska. > Currently he is an Archaeologist with Navarro & Wright Consulting > Engineers, > Inc., in New Cumberland, Pennsylvania, and President of the Pennsylvania > Archaeological Council, a statewide organization of professional > archaeologists dedicated to promoting Pennsylvania archaeology, and > protecting and preserving the Commonwealth's rich archaeological heritage. > > > > This FREE presentation is open to the public. > > ALL are welcome! > > Light refreshments served following the presentation. > > The Harry Lenig Library / The Perry Historians is a genealogical library > located along Rt.34 just outside of New Bloomfield, Perry Co., PA.. Their > physical address is: 763 Dix Hill Rd., New Bloomfield, PA. 17068. > > The Perry Historians' website: www.ThePerryHistorians.org > For questions: staff@ThePerryHistorians.org > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2669 - Release Date: 02/05/10 07:35:00

I don't know if there are any GOBEL family members still living in Franklin County, but we have traced the family back to Germany and a living relative. We are currently looking for the MOELLINGER family in Germany on behalf of the Franklin County resident . Are their any decentants of thes two family currently living in Franklin County or elseware ? Gordon Crooks Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Mellinger > Hello, > > DNA genealogical is not often in widespread use in Germany, it is rather > expensive. I was told that it would be cheaper in United Kingdom. And a > so called cuckoo-child can disconnect the genealogical line. > > This winter was very cold and we the most snow since 30 yars. But in our > area we had ony 10 inches of snow. Two month freeze, but in Northeast of > Germany it is still very cold with a lot of snow. > > As an attachment you will find all known Goebel emigrants from Reinheim. > The former name of our Great Dukedom was Hesse-Darmstadt (NOT Bavaria or > Rhineland-Palatinate or Baden-Wurttemberg or Thuringia or Saxony or > Prussia). > > On weekend I will see which German mailing lists I can subscribe to post > a query about Ludwig D(avid) Möllinger - Moellinger - Mellinger. > > Gordon, thank you very much for the picture and the envelope you sent > yesterday. I am very curious about it. Thank you very much about your > help. > > Klaus-Peter > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2669 - Release Date: 02/05/10 07:35:00

Hello Fellow Listers: The Perry Historians is hosting their first Special Presentation of the year on Sunday, February 28, 2010 at 2:00 p.m. in the upstairs of the Hoverter Archives at The Perry Historians' Harry Lenig Library. Our special speaker, Mr. Richard Geidel will be speaking on the Wallis Site Dig, located near the Wallis Family Homestead along Rt.11/15 at Liverpool. Mr. Geidel served as the Project Manager for the archaeological excavations of the Wallis Site (36Pe16) by KCI Technologies, Inc. for the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation. Artifacts dating back thousands of years were found at this site showing pre-historic occupation during periods when the Susquehanna River was at a lower height than present-day. Richard Geidel is a Registered Professional Archaeologist with over 34 years experience directing and managing archaeological and historic preservation projects. Most of his career has focused on archaeology in Pennsylvania, but he also has worked throughout the eastern United States and in Alaska. Currently he is an Archaeologist with Navarro & Wright Consulting Engineers, Inc., in New Cumberland, Pennsylvania, and President of the Pennsylvania Archaeological Council, a statewide organization of professional archaeologists dedicated to promoting Pennsylvania archaeology, and protecting and preserving the Commonwealth's rich archaeological heritage. This FREE presentation is open to the public. ALL are welcome! Light refreshments served following the presentation. The Harry Lenig Library / The Perry Historians is a genealogical library located along Rt.34 just outside of New Bloomfield, Perry Co., PA.. Their physical address is: 763 Dix Hill Rd., New Bloomfield, PA. 17068. The Perry Historians' website: www.ThePerryHistorians.org For questions: staff@ThePerryHistorians.org

Dear listers, There is an Amrev-Hessian mailing list, and the following web site to which I and many others have contributed over the years: http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Be sure to search there for your German Rev War ancestors. Bill -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gordon Crooks@verizon.net" <gordoncrooks@verizon.net> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:45 PM To: <BMunch528@aol.com> Cc: <PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Fw: History > > --Barbara: I understand there was a Hessian prison camp in Frederick, > Md. however thats all I know about it. I can check a specific name on the > list of Soldiers of the American Revolution. There are a lot of German > names as they were the second largest group of soldiers in Washington's > Army after the Ulsterscots, however the S A R disc that I have does not > tell you the nationality of the soldier. Yes it is well known that quite a > few of the Hessians elected to say here and not return to Germany.. Off > hand I don't know anyone who has specific information on the subject, you > could try posting a mssage on the MDFRED web site. > From: BMunch528@aol.com > To: gordoncrooks@verizon.net > Gordon > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:26 PM > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Fw: History > > > Gordon, > > Do you have a list of the Hessian soldiers that fought in the Revolution? > I understand there were quite a few who were turned loose after the > Revolution and stayed in the Franklin Co area. I have been unable to find > the names of these soldiers. > > Barbara > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2668 - Release Date: 02/04/10 > 19:35:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are seven Swigert men from PA in the DAR files, but no Ludwig. Adam, Andrew, George, Jacob,John, Philip, Sebastian. Their service is mostly from Lancaster County. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: pafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Crooks@verizon.net Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:50 AM To: Craig Paxton Cc: PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] SAR Dics Sorry Craig I couldn't find anything. I also checked other variations of the name and nothing. This doersn't mean he was or wasn't S A R because rthe disc is only estimated to be aroubnd 85% accurate. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Paxton To: gordoncrooks@verizon.net Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:10 AM Subject: SAR Dics Hi! Gordon, Could you please check your SAR disc on names for a: Ludwig Schwieger or Sweger or something that might be close to that. spelling? Thanks, Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2668 - Release Date: 02/04/10 19:35:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara: There is no S AR listing for a Godfrey Bricker or Susan Mast, there is however two Bricker listings which might be helpful: Adam Bricker B 1762-1843 served Pa. Service, wife Rebecca Hartman, both are briedat Clermont, Ohio. John Bricker B1750-1818, wife Nancy Boyer, he was in Md. Service, also Ohio burial They might have been brothers. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: BMunch528@aol.com To: gordoncrooks@verizon.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Fw: History Gordon, I am looking for a Godfrey Bricker and wife Susan Mast. He is said to be from Ft Loudon area. They had at least 3 boy: George, Daniel and John who were born around 1792-1800. These boys married and raised their families in Franklin Co., Pa. I can find no documents that verify the existence of Godfrey Bricker or Susan Mast, so was exploring the fact that he may have been a Hessian soldier who deserted and stayed in Pa. Barbara ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2668 - Release Date: 02/04/10 19:35:00

Sorry Craig I couldn't find anything. I also checked other variations of the name and nothing. This doersn't mean he was or wasn't S A R because rthe disc is only estimated to be aroubnd 85% accurate. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Paxton To: gordoncrooks@verizon.net Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:10 AM Subject: SAR Dics Hi! Gordon, Could you please check your SAR disc on names for a: Ludwig Schwieger or Sweger or something that might be close to that. spelling? Thanks, Craig ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2668 - Release Date: 02/04/10 19:35:00

Evelyn: Are you sitting down? Your ancestor is list as Magdalena Barbara Eberly in the S A R, her husband was John Gockley Born 1718-died 1796, buried at Gockley family burial grounds, Clay twp, Lancaster,Pa.. He wasa a Private in Pa. service. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn" <elmorgan@bresnan.net> To: <PAFRANKL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: [PAFRANKL] Barbara Magdalena Eberle > Thank you list for this information. I, too, and interested in these > families. > Evelyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2668 - Release Date: 02/04/10 19:35:00

Hello, There were numerous pockets of Hessians that remained in the states after the war. Upper Dauphin County had a bunch as well as Frederick County, MD. I'm not sure about Franklin County, PA. My wife is direct descendant of Johannes Schwalm. There is some information about Hessian soldiers on the Johannes Schwalm Historical Association web site: _http://pages.prodigy.net/halschwalm/jshahome.html_ (http://pages.prodigy.net/halschwalm/jshahome.html) I have the original book published by the association that has the rosters of many of the Hessians and what units they were assigned. I would be glad to look up any persons that you may be interested in. Jeff

--Barbara: I understand there was a Hessian prison camp in Frederick, Md. however thats all I know about it. I can check a specific name on the list of Soldiers of the American Revolution. There are a lot of German names as they were the second largest group of soldiers in Washington's Army after the Ulsterscots, however the S A R disc that I have does not tell you the nationality of the soldier. Yes it is well known that quite a few of the Hessians elected to say here and not return to Germany.. Off hand I don't know anyone who has specific information on the subject, you could try posting a mssage on the MDFRED web site. From: BMunch528@aol.com To: gordoncrooks@verizon.net Gordon Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Fw: History Gordon, Do you have a list of the Hessian soldiers that fought in the Revolution? I understand there were quite a few who were turned loose after the Revolution and stayed in the Franklin Co area. I have been unable to find the names of these soldiers. Barbara ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2668 - Release Date: 02/04/10 19:35:00

I am too! I am on this "list" because of my Shirey family tree.  Interestingly enough, it is my wife's family tree that has two Eberle people in her direct line: Heinrich Eberle, b.~1710 in Koblenz, Germany; d. 12 Jul 1785 in Koblenz, Germany and his daughter: Anna Elisabetha Eberle, b. 23 Dec 1737 in Koblenz, Germany, d. 28 Jan 1791 in Koblenz, Germany. She married Johann-Zacharias Cullman. If anyone has either of these teo Eberles in thier tree, I would be interested in hearing from you. Blessings, Lee-Pierre Shirey --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Evelyn <elmorgan@bresnan.net> wrote: > From: Evelyn <elmorgan@bresnan.net> > Subject: [PAFRANKL] Barbara Magdalena Eberle > To: PAFRANKL@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 12:27 AM > Thank you list for this > information.  I, too, and interested in these > families. > Evelyn >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Thank you list for this information. I, too, and interested in these families. Evelyn

Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:19 PM Subject: History I have the disc which lists most of the Americans who fought in the American revolution and I have been doing research for the Daughters of the American Revolution group. So I have been going thru it (thousands of names & 200 single spaced pages). From time to time I have noted the present of women on this list, most were simply camp followers, followering their husbands. A few have been listed as cooks, wagoneers etc. but today I came across with a special listing which I have never seen before: Mrs. Elinor Jones Barbour Mathews, wife of James Mathews(who was a private in Maine Service) is listed as LADY PATRIOT IN MAINE SERVICE.. I wonder what she did to desire this title and to be listed as a Soldier in the American Revolution. She is buried in cemetery on road to Fogg's Landing, South Thomaston, Knox, Maine. Gordon Crooks.

On Ferbruary 4, 1783 King George III issued a proclaimation ending the conflict with the colonies and ending the Revolutionary War. The electors on February 4, 1789 chose George Washington to be the first President of United States of America. Gordon Crooks

Johann Jacob Schnebele or Snively's widow Barbara died 22 JAN 1793. I'd like to know whether the following is her will, listed in the index of Franklin Co., and whether anyone has a copy? SNIVELY, BARBARA ANTRIM PA-28-A-268 Barbara Magdalena Eberle was her maiden name.

This was sent to me by a cousin who lives in the South in the mountains, we are both related to Joseph Crunkleton one of the original 8 settlers in Franklin Co.in 1729. The pioneer spirit is alive and well. She is referring to the recent snow storm which hit the South and Eastern sections of the country. Gordon Crooks Icy/Snow blessings in no particular order :-) 1 blessing) Beautiful snow/ice we've got here huh? Something pretty to look at and mesmerize over! Our power went out about 3:00 I think Saturday morning the first time. 2 blessing) But we have a wood heater so we stayed warm. 3 blessing) It came back on around 8 am Sat morning long enough for some of us to get a shower and dry some clothes ..maybe an hour. Then I reckon trees started breaking everywhere cuz it went back out and that was it. 4 blessing) None of them trees fell on our house although a good size branch did fall and hit Steves metal shed on the corner. 5 blessing) that branch will be good kindling for the fire when it dries out :-P 6 blessing) For the most part the roads stayed pretty good thanks to Salting and sand the county kept putting out there. 7 blessing) All the kids made it home safe from school and work Friday before it all got super bad near 11-12 pm Friday night. 8 blessing) Josh and Jess made it to and from work Saturday and Saturday night safely 9 blessing) We finally got power back last night about 9:00. We had it two other times yesterday for about 30 mins or so each time. 10 blessing) cuz of them 2 - 30 minutes time slots we had power the rest of us got our showers and I had time to make some biscuits and bacon . We were getting HONGRY ! :-P ha ha ha...... and I had time to heat up some water to wash dishes. 11 blessing) While Josh and Jessica were at work .....Steve and Jeremi and I had plenty of time to learn a new game Jeremi likes and played it with him for a couple hours or so. GOOD FAMILY TIME !!! 12 blessing) We had kerosene lamps, candles, flash lights, board games and amusing animals ! I'm sure there are more than 12 blessings that came from this little icy / snow storm we had. But I wanted to recognize the ones right off the top of my head. GOD IS GOOD ALL THE TIME......ALL THE TIME GOD IS GOOD ! Now lets pray that the ice melts real soon so everyone can go back to work and to school ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2657 - Release Date: 01/30/10 07:35:00

Hi Gordon, Your copyright on your book belongs to you regardless whether you ever have registered your work. That is federal law. Technically people need to ask your permission to copy any parts of it, other than brief citations. In all cases, they must give the correct attribution, citing you as the author, with the Title, date of publication, publisher, and the city & state location of publisher. Tink At 12:50 PM 1/31/10, Gordon Crooks@verizon.net wrote: >Richard: Yes I think just about everyone has at one time or another thung >happen to them that was on that list. Your beef about people not answering e >mails is one I think evey one has had happen to them at one time or another. >It also one of the reason why I never pay any attention to web sites like >worldconnect separating fact from fancy is a ordeal with them. Regarding >what you have wriiten what later appears on the web, I have run across that >one too. The book I have written have never been copied write, I merely >asked for accurate use of it.Regarding Scotish cousins, I have a lot of them >and belong to currently 3 web sites in the U.K.. > Gordon Crooks >----- Original Message ----- >From: <rricabee@aol.com> >To: <pafrankl@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:47 AM >Subject: [PAFRANKL] Great genealogical LISTERs v. genealogical LIFTERs > > > > Several of those "not so great laughs" have "happened" to me! And I > > might add: > > > > Someone tells you someone else is a great genealogical LISTER that you > > just have to contact, and when you try to contact them and don't hear > > back you go looking for their listings and you find they were a great > > genealogical LIFTER i.e. from others or from your OWN work, listings, > > or e-mail! I've actually sent e-mails to people from whom I never ever > > heard back from, and I am now finding my e-mails posted by those people > > word for word on Rootsweb as "proof"! > > > > I sincerely hope they lift this one and post it under their own name > > and dates. > > > > Keep up the good "listing" Gordon, and I forgive you for lifting that > > one from the Scottish "cousins." Though I think I've seen some of those > > listed before by Americans, but whether listers or lifters I coudln't > > say. > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2659 - Release Date: 01/31/10 >06:39:00 > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard: Yes I think just about everyone has at one time or another thung happen to them that was on that list. Your beef about people not answering e mails is one I think evey one has had happen to them at one time or another. It also one of the reason why I never pay any attention to web sites like worldconnect separating fact from fancy is a ordeal with them. Regarding what you have wriiten what later appears on the web, I have run across that one too. The book I have written have never been copied write, I merely asked for accurate use of it.Regarding Scotish cousins, I have a lot of them and belong to currently 3 web sites in the U.K.. Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: <rricabee@aol.com> To: <pafrankl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: [PAFRANKL] Great genealogical LISTERs v. genealogical LIFTERs > Several of those "not so great laughs" have "happened" to me! And I > might add: > > Someone tells you someone else is a great genealogical LISTER that you > just have to contact, and when you try to contact them and don't hear > back you go looking for their listings and you find they were a great > genealogical LIFTER i.e. from others or from your OWN work, listings, > or e-mail! I've actually sent e-mails to people from whom I never ever > heard back from, and I am now finding my e-mails posted by those people > word for word on Rootsweb as "proof"! > > I sincerely hope they lift this one and post it under their own name > and dates. > > Keep up the good "listing" Gordon, and I forgive you for lifting that > one from the Scottish "cousins." Though I think I've seen some of those > listed before by Americans, but whether listers or lifters I coudln't > say. > > Richard > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2659 - Release Date: 01/31/10 06:39:00

Several of those "not so great laughs" have "happened" to me! And I might add: Someone tells you someone else is a great genealogical LISTER that you just have to contact, and when you try to contact them and don't hear back you go looking for their listings and you find they were a great genealogical LIFTER i.e. from others or from your OWN work, listings, or e-mail! I've actually sent e-mails to people from whom I never ever heard back from, and I am now finding my e-mails posted by those people word for word on Rootsweb as "proof"! I sincerely hope they lift this one and post it under their own name and dates. Keep up the good "listing" Gordon, and I forgive you for lifting that one from the Scottish "cousins." Though I think I've seen some of those listed before by Americans, but whether listers or lifters I coudln't say. Richard