-Hi Folks: Below is some material from our archives covering the beginings and the upheavels of religion in both Ireland, Scotland, and England which contributed to the later migrations to America. Gordon Crooks --- From the Archives:- source not given Most archdeaconries were divided into rural deaneries. Ireland, having a smaller population, had no archdeaconries. The deaneries were divided into parishes where a parish priest looked after the needs of his parishioners and conducted the services in the parish church, baptizing the babies, marrying the betrothed and burying the dead. In the graveyards tombstones were erected for those who could afford a memorial. The parishes, dioceses and province (Canterbury) nearest to Lambeth Palace tended to follow the wishes and dictates of the Archbishop of Canterbury, who spoke on behalf of the Pope; but as one moved further away, less notice was taken of officialdom. The same applied in secular life - the remote areas of England, Wales and Ireland reacted slowly, if at all, to Royal and parliamentary edicts from London. This later proved most advantageous as in Ireland many bodies, religious and secular, had not got around to depositing their records in the Irish Public Record Office (now the National Archives); hence those undeposited records escaped destruction in the disastrous fire of 1922. The Reformation swept across the British Isles in the 16th century, replacing Catholicism with Protestantism in England and Wales from 1534, in Ireland from 1537 and in Scotland from 1560. The new (Protestant) Church of Ireland was delighted to be free from management from Rome, a foreign power, and was pleased to take over the administrative framework of the former (Roman Catholic) Church with its parishes and dioceses. Elsewhere in Europe the German states and the Low Countries, happy to be severed from Rome, favored Protestantism, whilst Spain and France favored Catholicism, content to remain linked to Rome. The Crown and (now Anglican) Church in Ireland, England and Wales continued to work hand in hand, so much so that the ecclesiastical parish areas became recognized as civil parishes. Their almost identical boundaries and names have continued to this day, even though the Church in Ireland was disestablished in 1869. A townland was a smaller civil unit than a parish, commonly used in Ireland and parts of northern England. Social security (the Poor Law in earlier times) was administered through the parish system and the parish was used as the unit for collecting taxes, conducting censuses and undertaking land surveys. In addition, education was encouraged, and in many cases provided, by the Church clergy. Probate was granted (wills and testaments proved and letters of administration issued) by the Church Courts which also dealt with matrimonial disputes and sexual offenses, and issued marriage and professional licenses. The Church of Ireland today comprises two ecclesiastical provinces, Armagh and Dublin, whose boundaries do not follow the civil boundaries of either the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland, although the Archbishop of Armagh remains Anglican Primate of all Ireland. As Catholicism was regarded as synonymous with foreign interference, it was not tolerated immediately after the Reformation and strict laws were enacted in England and Wales to suppress Catholic activities. Some groups, such as the Puritans, were punished because of their activities against the retention of too much Catholic influence, others were punished because they clung to their Catholic beliefs. As a consequence, even though less rigorous anti-Catholic penal laws were applied in Ireland than in England, people emigrated, mainly to North America, from all parts of the British Isles, unhappy with their treatment. In the early 17th century, fearing collusion on the western side of the British Isles with old adversaries Spain and France (which were Catholic), and a possible invasion, King James I "planted" some Presbyterian families in Ulster from his native Scotland. This was felt necessary because Ireland had not taken to Protestantism as readily as had England - one reason being that whereas the Bible and service books had been translated into English for the benefit of the reformed Christian Church, no one in London had realized that many Irish neither read nor understood English, and it was several years before Irish versions were available. Toleration of non-Anglicans commenced in the late 17th century throughout the British Isles and gradually Catholics (earlier in Ireland than elsewhere in Britain) began to build their own churches within new Catholic parishes having new boundaries, though these were not officially permitted until the 1829 Toleration Act. Their parishes were collected into new Catholic dioceses, with slightly different boundaries, headed by Catholic Bishops who, in Ireland, reported to a Catholic Archbishop, based in Dublin. Besides the officially-tolerated Presbyterians, other dissenting congregations such as Quakers, Independents and later, Methodists, each having a unique administrative system and organizational structure, began to hold their own services, build their own places of worship, and keep their own registers and membership and associated documents. Church Records With the above background we can discuss some Church and secular records in which we may be able to find details of some of our Irish ancestors. There are many other records not mentioned here because of space constraints, several of which are identified in the books suggested below for further reading. Henry VIII required the parish clergy of his Reformed Protestant Church to keep registers of baptisms, marriages and burials from 1538. This appears not to have applied in Ireland until 1634, although one (Church of Ireland) parish register begins in 1619. However, most Church of Ireland registers do not start until the 1790s when a new Archbishop of Armagh took over. Queen Elizabeth I required copies of parish registers to be sent to diocesan registrars from 1598 (the copies were called Bishops' Transcripts), but this was never done in Ireland. Similar copies, termed Parochial Returns, of all their register entries were made by some Irish clergy in the 19th century. A parish baptismal register entry usually has the name of the child and the father (or mother if illegitimate) and sometimes the father's occupation and address, mother's name, but rarely her maiden surname, or names of the godparents or sponsors. Occasionally the date of birth as well as the baptismal date is shown. A parish marriage register entry has the date of the marriage, the names of the bridegroom and bride, sometimes their occupations and addresses, and the names and occupations of their fathers and the names of the witnesses. A parish burial entry has the date of burial, the name of the deceased, sometimes the address, place and cause of death and supposed age. Copies of most of the Church of Ireland records are now held by the Representative Church Body Library in Dublin, many filmed copies are obtainable through LDS Family History Centers world-wide. There was no internal compulsion within the newly-tolerated Catholic Church in Ireland to keep registers of baptisms, marriages and burials. While some Catholic priests did begin registers early (Wexford in 1671, Galway in 1690), most made few entries (sometimes in Latin) until after the 1829 Toleration Act and burials were sparsely noted anyway. Microfilm copies of 90 percent of the registers from the 26 Catholic Dioceses in the Republic of Ireland are kept at the National Library. The Public Records Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) has copies of the Roman Catholic registers for the northern Roman Catholic dioceses. LDS Family History Centers can obtain copies of many of these films from the Genealogy Library in Salt Lake City. Records of the dissenting congregations which are available include those of Huguenots from 1685, Quakers (Society of Friends) from 1671, Presbyterians from 1674 (although more prolific from 1819) and Wesleyan Methodists from 1816. The records of some of these and other groups, such as Jews, are held in their own historical libraries (see useful ad-dresses). The Huguenot material was published by the Huguenot Society of London and is available. Many of the baptisms and marriages from the records of a variety of denominations have been incorporated into the International Genealogical Index, published in microform and on CD-ROM by the LDS Church, and available at their Family History Centers world-wide. A valid marriage anywhere in the British Isles could normally take place only after publication of banns or issuing of a marriage license by an Anglican bishop or archbishop who kept a record of licenses issued. After the Reformation and until the introduction of civil marriage from 1845, valid marriages could take place only in an Anglican church. Copies and abstracts of many marriage license records in Ireland were made before most of the originals were lost in 1922; indexes of these for various dioceses have been published (see Begley, Chapman and Grenham). Wills made before 1858 throughout the British Isles were proved by the (Anglican) Church Courts; in Ireland this involved the bishops' consistory courts and the archbishops' prerogative court. In 1858 civil District Probate Registries were opened. All probate material was held in the Public Records Office in Dublin and most of the original documentation lost in the 1922 fire. Fortunately, because of the great academic interest in wills, inventories, and letters of administration, numerous abstracts had been made of these, now in the National Archives. Records Destroyed Following the dismantling of the Church of Ireland in 1869, Parliamentary Acts of 1875 and 1876 declared all of its pre-1870 registers public documents and required them to be deposited in the Irish Public Record Office (now the National Archives) in Dublin. Only about two-thirds of the parishes complied and many copies and abstracts of these deposited registers were made by solicitors' clerks and by amateur and professional genealogists. The 1922 fire did not affect the un-deposited registers, the Parochial Returns or the copies or abstracts. Obviously the tombstone inscriptions in church and chapel yards and cemeteries throughout Ireland were also unaffected and the Association for the Preservation of Memorials of the Dead in Ireland has copies of over 10,000 inscriptions, many of which have been published in the annual issues of its Journal. The Genealogical Office Library, Dublin has a complete set of this Journal. Irish World holds the inscriptions on computer from over 300 graveyards in Northern Ireland. Although the practice of taking a civil census every 10 years began in England and Wales in 1801, a similar exercise began in all Ireland only in 1821 and none was taken in 1881 or 1891. The censuses were originally undertaken by townland, parish and county, later by District Electoral Division. The official returns for 1861 and 1871 were destroyed by government orders and most of those for 1821-1851 were lost in the 1922 fire. Copies of a few 1861 and 1871 returns and those that survived the 1922 loss are identified in Grenham. Census returns are not normally open for public research until 100 years old, but because of the loss of 19th century records, the censuses for 1901 and 1911 for all of Ireland are available in the Republic, but not in Northern Ireland. Furthermore, an Old Age Pension for Senior Citizens was introduced throughout Ireland in 1908 and, to verify claimants' eligibility from 1910 to 1922, officials at the Irish Public Record Office abstracted information from the 1841 and 1851 census returns onto "Green Forms" for government internal use. These Green Forms survive in the National Archives, filed by county and parish, for the families that were searched. Censuses have been taken since 1921 in the Republic and in Northern Ireland, but these are not yet open to researchers. Other censuses and lists of people were taken during, and long before, the 19th century with names and addresses, and sometimes ages and occupations; these include names of poll tax payers from the 17th century, muster rolls for 1630 and later years, the 1640, 1641 and 1703 surveys of land owners, names of persons with title to land in 1659 (Pander's census), subsidy (tax) lists of the nobility, clergy and laity 1662-66, Hearth Taxpayer lists 1664-66, converts to the Church of Ireland 1703-1838, various religious surveys in 1740, 1749, 1766 and later years, with names of householders and their denominations. The Tithe Applotment Books 1824-38, identifying occupiers of land, and Griffith's Valuation 1848-64, naming householders and from whom each property was leased, both of these lists now with a Householders Index arranged by county (and available at LDS Family History Centers), go some way to make up the loss of the 19th century decennial censuses. The 1873 Return of Owners of Land in Ireland should not be overlooked. Much of this type of material is catalogued under land records in North America. The older material is at the Royal Irish Academy, later records are in the National Archives. Original land deeds are held at the Register of Deeds, Dublin. Commercial street and trade and professional Directories and Almanacs, published often since 1751 by Wilson, Pigot, Slater and others, and identified in Begley, provide names and addresses of tradesmen and noteworthy residents, particularly in towns. Such directories are available in Ireland, some editions may be consulted in North American libraries. The civil registration of births, marriages and deaths commenced in England and Wales in 1837, the Channel Islands in 1840, the Isle of Man in 1849 and Scotland in 1855. The fundamental area was a Registration District, based on a Poor Law Union area, which was several parishes grouped together (but not by counties or rural deaneries) with one workhouse serving them. In Ireland civil registration was introduced in stages, beginning in 1845 for marriages of non-Catholics, with subsequent minor amendments to account for Quakers and others. Civil Registrations From Jan. 1, 1864 the civil registration of all births, marriages and deaths in Ireland was implemented, with many later amendments. The information on the certificates is very similar to that on English certificates and to the details in the parish registers described above. Indexes of names were compiled annually for the Irish civil registers; the indexes, and some actual certificates, are available on microfilm in LDS Family History Centers in North America. Copies of any of the certificates can be purchased from the civil Registrars General in Ireland. 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Ruth, I found George Carson living in Cavetown, which is north of Boonsboro (closer to Smithsburg) in Washington Co., MD in the 1860 census (Roll 483 pg. 773, Cavetown Dist., Washington County, MD). The family is as follows: George Carson, 36, Farm Laborer, value of real estate: $300, value of personal estate: $50, born Maryland. Lenia Carson, 33, born PA Mary Carson, 12, born MD Margaret Carson, 8, born MD Martha Carson, 6, born MD Lenia Carson, 3, born MD George Th., 1, born MD In 1870 (Roll 596 pg 226, Boonsboro, Washington Co., MD), George is living in Boonsboro, married to Susan, age 30. He is a farmer with property value at $400 and personal property value at $200. Living with them is George T. at 10 years of age, John W. at 9 years and Nettie A. who is 1. Since there is a break between John W. and Nettie, I would assume at this point that John is Lenia's son and Nettie is Susan's. But that is only an assumption at this point, I would investigate this further if you can. On looking for William Fuller, I can't find the household of William & Lenia anywhere in Washington Co., MD or Franklin Co., PA in 1880 or 1900. Beth Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Pugel" <ruthpugel@msn.com> To: <pafrankl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:46 AM Subject: [PAFRANKL] Surnames - Carson and Fuller | | I am looking for information on the family of George Carson, lived Boonsborough,MD, DOB: approx. 1824. First wife - Lenia, 2nd wife - Susan. | | | | Also looking for William Fuller, spouse of Lenia Kate Carson, dob: 1857. Parents of William fuller and Florence Fuller. | | _________________________________________________________________ | Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. | http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

I am looking for information on the family of George Carson, lived Boonsborough,MD, DOB: approx. 1824. First wife - Lenia, 2nd wife - Susan. Also looking for William Fuller, spouse of Lenia Kate Carson, dob: 1857. Parents of William fuller and Florence Fuller. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2

This time I've typed the address for the link to the photo rather than trying to paste it. It looks ok before I send it... can you hear me screaming?!! Thanks again for your patience with me..I'm keeping my fingers crossed.... http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.w ashington/6465/mb.ashx -----Original Message----- From: mdwashin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdwashin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martha Finfrock Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:49 PM To: mdwashin@rootsweb.com Cc: PAFrankl-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDWashin] Early Washington County Baseball Photo <http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties. washington/6465/mb.ashx> -----Original Message----- From: mdwashin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdwashin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martha Finfrock Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:24 PM To: mdwashin@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDWashin] Early Washington County Baseball Photo I have an old photo of a baseball team that I have been told includes my grandfather, James Harry Finfrock (30 Jul 1883 Greencastle, PA - 23 Jan 1961 Hagerstown, MD) son of John Finfrock (William M. Finfrock) and Susan Brightwell. There isn't any identifying info on the picture other than the notation on the back written in pencil "batted .444". I'm guessing that the photo was taken between 1910 and 1930. Does anyone on this list know of someone who might be able to help me identify any details about it? Thank you. Martha Finfrock ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDWASHIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDWASHIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Martha Finfrock would like to recall the message, "[MDWashin] Early Washington County Baseball Photo".

<http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties. washington/6465/mb.ashx> -----Original Message----- From: mdwashin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdwashin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martha Finfrock Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:24 PM To: mdwashin@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDWashin] Early Washington County Baseball Photo I have an old photo of a baseball team that I have been told includes my grandfather, James Harry Finfrock (30 Jul 1883 Greencastle, PA - 23 Jan 1961 Hagerstown, MD) son of John Finfrock (William M. Finfrock) and Susan Brightwell. There isn't any identifying info on the picture other than the notation on the back written in pencil "batted .444". I'm guessing that the photo was taken between 1910 and 1930. Does anyone on this list know of someone who might be able to help me identify any details about it? Thank you. Martha Finfrock ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MDWASHIN ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDWASHIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much, Gordon, for posting links to Mr. Rupp's books on early emigrant names. I have one question. In both editions of Rupp's book, many of the names on the lists of emigrants are starred with an asterisk. I could not find an explanation for what this meant. Is it an indication that this person was not "qualified" after landing (I take it that meant signing an oath of allegiance)? Anita Camplese

My Gabriel relative was a neighbor to a Jacob Snively in what was then (1720's) I believe Cumberland Co., PA. My relatives name was Richard Gabell or Gabriel depending on the source. I have a copy of a map of the area with Jacob and the Gabell name on it. Haven't looked at this for some time so I am not sure of the date of the map. It may actually be descendants of these people. But I did see Richard Gabell and Jacob Snively's names listed in a book about the History of Franklin Co. PA living in the C_______ Settlement. I can't spell that rigt now. Thanks for posting this. The Gabriels came from Alsace Lorraine area.

Oh, Gordon, it was considerate of you to post this, but unfortunately the Hans Jacob Snavely/Snively Sr. and Jr. were naturalized already by 1729, after having appealed for such in 1728. They came before 1718, so were likely here a decade before this Jacob SNIVELY arrived. Richard At the Court House of Philadelphia, October 14, 1731.Present The Honble Patrick ordon, Esqr.Lt. Govr. lement Plumsted ) alph Asheton ) Esqrs., Member of Council Thomas Griffins, Esqr., one of his Majesty's Justices of the Peace for the City f Philadelphia. A list was presented of the names of thirty three Palatines, who with their amilies, making in all seventy eight persons, were imported in the snow outher, Joseph Fisher, Master from Rotterdam, but last from Dover, as by learance from that port. The Master being examined, said he had no particular icense for their transportation. They were then called in & having declared hat their intentions were to settle & live peaceably in the Province, the everal persons whose namesake subjoyed did repeat & sign the declaration nserted in the minute of the b21st of September, 1727 and likewise took & ubscribed the declaration of Fidelity & Abjuration Among the 78 names is JACOB SNIVELY For those who might not be familiar with the requirements of both the Crown and he Province of Pennsylvania, it was necessary for all foreign born settlers to o thru this process and thus there is a record of their arrival here. nfortunately in the case of English citizens ie: Irish, Scots, Welsh, and ritish, this procedure was not necessary and the records of their arrivals is ery scant.

Gordon, I've spent hours at the library looking at these books. Thanks for the online link. Rob Shinafelt Schoenfeld, Knop ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Crooks@verizon.net" <gordoncrooks@verizon.net> To: <PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: [PAFRANKL] German name looks up >. Folks: A friend of mine told me of Mr. Rupp's books on the same subject, >so perhaps you can look at the URL's below and find your families. You will >have to do these look ups yourself. > > You can download them all or one of them you like the best to your > computer and then you can read it anytime you want. Download it so it has > a .pdf extension then Adobe Reader will let you view it. There are a > number of ways to download it but you want the pdf version. > > Full English-German version > http://www.archive.org/details/collectionofupwa00rupp > > English Only and might not be as complete or smaller as it does not have > the German as well. > http://www.archive.org/details/collectionofthir00rupp > > Read online and is a revised and made better version. > http://www.archive.org/stream/collectionofupwa00ruppuoft#page/n7/mode/2up > > > Gordon Crooks > > > > >> > >> >> > >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> ------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2754 - Release >> Date: 03/18/10 07:33:00 >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2754 - Release Date: 03/18/10 > 07:33:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

. Folks: A friend of mine told me of Mr. Rupp's books on the same subject, so perhaps you can look at the URL's below and find your families. You will have to do these look ups yourself. You can download them all or one of them you like the best to your computer and then you can read it anytime you want. Download it so it has a .pdf extension then Adobe Reader will let you view it. There are a number of ways to download it but you want the pdf version. Full English-German version http://www.archive.org/details/collectionofupwa00rupp English Only and might not be as complete or smaller as it does not have the German as well. http://www.archive.org/details/collectionofthir00rupp Read online and is a revised and made better version. http://www.archive.org/stream/collectionofupwa00ruppuoft#page/n7/mode/2up Gordon Crooks > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2754 - Release > Date: 03/18/10 07:33:00 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2754 - Release Date: 03/18/10 07:33:00

Folks: While doing all of these look ups I stumbled on Jacob Snively who as some of you may know is considered among the first 8 settlers in Franklin county. Below is his official entry: At the Court House of Philadelphia, October 14, 1731.Present The Honble Patrick Gordon, Esqr.Lt. Govr. Clement Plumsted ) Ralph Asheton ) Esqrs., Member of Council Thomas Griffins, Esqr., one of his Majesty's Justices of the Peace for the City of Philadelphia. A list was presented of the names of thirty three Palatines, who with their families, making in all seventy eight persons, were imported in the snow Louther, Joseph Fisher, Master from Rotterdam, but last from Dover, as by clearance from that port. The Master being examined, said he had no particular license for their transportation. They were then called in & having declared that their intentions were to settle & live peaceably in the Province, the several persons whose namesake subjoyed did repeat & sign the declaration inserted in the minute of the b21st of September, 1727 and likewise took & subscribed the declaration of Fidelity & Abjuration Among the 78 names is JACOB SNIVELY For those who might not be familiar with the requirements of both the Crown and the Province of Pennsylvania, it was necessary for all foreign born settlers to go thru this process and thus there is a record of their arrival here. Unfortunately in the case of English citizens ie: Irish, Scots, Welsh, and British, this procedure was not necessary and the records of their arrivals is very scant. Gordon Crooks

Hello- Elizabeth Shoemaker, daughter of Philip Shoemaker, was born in Franklin County ca 1785-1790. Can someone suggest where I can look for her birth record for that time period? Are there any printed books similar to the ones that are available for other counties in PA. I realize that there were other Shoemaker families in Franklin during the same time frame living in Lurgan and Shipppensburg. They would be cousins to Elizabeth Shoemaker. Anyone researching Philip Shoemaker born ca 1770 in Lancaster? He and his family moved from Franklin to Columbiana County, Ohio by 1805. Thank you, Jean

Could you look for (1) Horn, Horne, (2) Bechtel,Bachtel, Beightal, (3) Snowberger, Schneeberger, (4) Barnett, Barnet, (5) Noffskar, Nofsker, (6) Replogle, Reblogle, and (7) Metzker, Metzkaar? Thank you for your help. Dee ,

Hi Gordon, Can you check for Hissong, Hyssong or any variation of that name? Thanks, John > From: gordoncrooks@verizon.net > To: PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:39:23 -0400 > Subject: [PAFRANKL] Ship arrivals > > Folks: I finally received the book on Ship Passenger Lists for Pennsylvania & Delaware ports 1641-1825. Unfortunately it ONLY lists Germanic and similar names, No Scots, Irish or English names. Most of the sailings were from Rotterdam. I can do look ups for specific German names ONLY. > > Gordon Crooks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1

I'm descended from that Johann Conrad Kemp who arrived in Aug 1733. Bonz -----Original Message----- From: pafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Crooks@verizon.net Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 2:23 PM To: Ijwilhelm@aol.com Cc: PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Ship arrivals Imma: There must be some family in Germany to whom you are not related to, I got a real workout on yours! First of all Frey I need given names there are lots of them Crone Ditto, Zimmerman ditto, Gummert NOTHING John George Kunkell, wife Anna, dau. Catherina arrived on the ship Britannia at Phila. Sept 18, 1773, they paid 44 lbs., 9 shillings for passage Christan and Gibert Kempf were released and aloowed inro the country Agust 27, 1733 by the Lord Lt. Governor at Phila. - also Johanna Conrad was in the same group Anna Catharina Seubert (Seibert) arrived Nov. 15, 1715 with Hans Bernard Kuntzer Husband ?Its in German and I have trouble reading it. There is a listing for a David and Christoper Seibt (Seibert ??) they both arrived from Rotterdam on Sept 21, 1727 Gordon

Imma: There must be some family in Germany to whom you are not related to, I got a real workout on yours! First of all Frey I need given names there are lots of them Crone Ditto, Zimmerman ditto, Gummert NOTHING John George Kunkell, wife Anna, dau. Catherina arrived on the ship Britannia at Phila. Sept 18, 1773, they paid 44 lbs., 9 shillings for passage Christan and Gibert Kempf were released and aloowed inro the country Agust 27, 1733 by the Lord Lt. Governor at Phila. - also Johanna Conrad was in the same group Anna Catharina Seubert (Seibert) arrived Nov. 15, 1715 with Hans Bernard Kuntzer Husband ?Its in German and I have trouble reading it. There is a listing for a David and Christoper Seibt (Seibert ??) they both arrived from Rotterdam on Sept 21, 1727 Gordon j ----- Original Message ----- From: Ijwilhelm@aol.com To: gordoncrooks@verizon.net Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Ship arrivals Gordon: I would love it if you could look up some of these surnames (no rush, as I'm sure you'll have many requests): Wilhelm Zimmerman Kunkel (Kunkle) Seibert (Siebert) Gummert Frey Kempe (Kemp) (Kempf) Crone (Krone) (Krohn) Thanks very much. Irma Wilhelm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2750 - Release Date: 03/16/10 07:33:00

Folks: I finally received the book on Ship Passenger Lists for Pennsylvania & Delaware ports 1641-1825. Unfortunately it ONLY lists Germanic and similar names, No Scots, Irish or English names. Most of the sailings were from Rotterdam. I can do look ups for specific German names ONLY. Gordon Crooks

Are Kittatinny and Kittochtinny interchangeable geographical terms? Barb in BC

Gerry: don't strain yourself so much ! What I had and you didn't see was a Irish joke which came to me from a friend in Scotland. I would send it to you except that It got corrupted because I sent it to a lot of people upon request and so I deleted it for good. You are correct about the Ulsterscots, however starting in the mid 1700's they invented a great many things. If you and others want to put your brain to work, help us with this; In the early 1700's there was a Robert Anderson in Franklin Co., Pa. he is believed to have been white. It is also thought he was either engaged in the slave trade or worked on a slave trading ship. At some period of time he came ashore and married a slave and had children which were referred to as Mulatto's and his grandchildren were considered colored. There are considerable references to his children in the Upper West Conocoheague Presbytery Congregation, specifically "The Old White Church" in Mercersburg. I have all of their memberships and marriages in that church from the 1700-1850's, BUT there is not one mention of the father or mother. He does show up in the 1790 census otherwise he is a man of mystery. To make matters worse there was another Robert Anderson and we have no idea if they were related or not. This is a project of several groups in Franklin County and elsewhere.Any help in finding out more information on him and his family will be appreciated. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerry Parchman" <lib2uus@comcast.net> To: <pafrankl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:02 AM Subject: [PAFRANKL] Irish discovered Africa > Gordon, > > Since northern Africa (Egypt, Carthage, the Phoenicians etc.) was settled > before the Roman Empire (3000 BC for Egypt) and had an advanced culture, > while Ireland was still a backwater, you must be referring to southern > Africa, away from the Mediterranean and including all of sub-Sahara > Africa. The people in the Mediterranean didn't venture very far down the > western coast. But the eastern coast was explored by the Chinese about > 500 BC, and later by the Arabs after 700 AD. > > What time period are you talking about? I can believe that the Irish may > have stumbled on sub-Saharan Africa's west coast when they were more > developed since they were more oriented to the Atlantic than the > Mediterranean people. But further European exploration didn't occur much > until the Portuguese rounded the Cape of Good Hope about 1450 AD (Henry > the Navigator). By then, most of East Africa was already Muslim, with an > active trade with the Arabs. > > Gerry > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2726 - Release Date: 03/06/10 07:39:00