>From the _Carlisle Gazette_, 20 Oct 1790: ===== Agreeably to law, Tuesday the 12th instant was the day of General Election throughout this state - the following are the returns which have come to hand: = Return for Franklin county. For Governor. Thomas Mifflin, 1508 Arthur St. Clair 193 For Senator. Abraham Smith, 985 Robert Johnston, 565 For Representatives. James Johnston, 1656 James M'Lean, 1564 Sheriffs. Henry Work, 792 James Irwin, 554 Coroners. George Clark, 1648 George Stover, 1640 Commissioners. James Poe, 818 Daniel Royer, 588 ===== Richard R. Weber

Hi Fellow Listers: Below is what a fellow lister, Mike sent to me concerning my earlier post on W.C. Fields. Hope you all have a wonderfully joyous Holiday Season! Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. **************************** FYI: the alleged quotation is not there, but his resting place is certainly known and marked. I would be dubious about the information you're getting from your mailbits.com. Again, they have altered facts to suit their interpretation. Remember the message you forwarded with the bogus info about the 12th president? Merry Christmas. Mike. 12/22/99. http://www.findagrave.com/pictures/1148.html

Hi Listers: This was just forwarded to me through MailBits.com: Trivia Subscription. This info will be helpful to anyone out there who may be researching, the actor, W.C. Fields or his family. Hope you all have a wonderful Christmas and a joyous New Year! Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. ****************************** W.C. Fields, the great 1930s movie comedian and famous misanthrope, died on Christmas, the holiday he despised. Of all the notable quotes that issued from this notorious curmudgeon, the most often quoted, said to be from his California tombstone, is "All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia." But you would have an easier time locating his ghost than the words on that famous marker. Fields was cremated and has no tombstone. He made the remark to a magazine that had asked what he would want on his stone. (Source: MYTH-INFORMED) (C) Copyright MailBits.com 1998-1999. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part without the written permission of the copyright owner is prohibited. (Yea, but feel free to forward it to your friends.)

Hi Listers: This little "ditty" was sent through the Juniata County List and I thought we could all use a little cheering up! Wouldn't it be nice to receive all that is on the list below???? Enjoy... and have a wonderful Christmas and New Years! Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. ********************************* ON THE TWELFTH DAY OF CHRISTMAS: My true love gave to me, Twelve census searches, Eleven printer cartridges, Ten e-mail contacts, Nine headstone rubbings, Eight birth and death dates, Seven town clerks sighing, Six second cousins, Five coats of arms, Four GEDCOM files, Three old wills, Two CD-ROMs One Bible entry And a branch in my family tree. <<Author unknown >>

Looking for any info. on Jacob Grow or Groh 1792 - 1855 born in Franklin Co. married there Catharine Leidy. Jacob has been a real wall for me and I finally traced him to Franklin Co. Any thing would be helpful. Ken Hite, Jr. York, Pa. HHite94965@aol.com

Hi all I recently joined a few PA lists so if you receive duplicates of this message, I apoligize. I'm searching for information on a John BOWEN, b. 1786, d 1845 married Rachel FEURT in 1815 and had at least the following four sons: Gabriel, Daniel, Thomas & James. I have been told that John was born PA but I have not been able to confirm that. Confirming his place of birth is my primary goal right now. Finding his parents would be a wonderful bonus! I've been searching for old John for a few years now and he appears to be my brick wall. He and Rachel were married in Scioto County, OH. John is burried in the Bowen cemetery at Vales Mill (Vinton County, OH) as are many descendents. If anyone has any information on this lost family of Bowen's, it would be greatly appreciated. We have a ton of information on John and Rachel's descendents, but nothing prior to them. Thanks for your help. Carolyn Bowen McGuire

Hi Dick, Have you contacted Kittochtinny Historical Society--they are a great repository of Franklin County information and very helpful. Address is: 175 East King Street, Chambersburg PA 17201. Phone 717-264-1667. More information: http://www.paheritage.com/fckhs.html Dee Dick Kishline wrote: > > Am trying to find the parents of my great grandfather, John Miller. His death record shows he was born Dec. 22, 1834, in Franklin Co., PA. A Family History Center Ancestral File shows William Miller and Catharine Croft in Chambersburg, having a son John, born 1834. The 1850 Franklin Co. census shows a William Miller and Catharine, with a son, age 16, in Hamilton Twp.. > > There is an age discrepency between the Ancestral File and the census. The Ancestral File shows William was born in 1781, and Catharine in 1791. The census shows William abt 1795, and Catharine abt 1794. > > In support of accepting the Ancestral File, an older son of William and Catharine, William P., was married in Canal Winchester, OH, and lived there per the 1850 census. Is it a coincidence that John, my ggfather was married in Canal Winchester in 1855, and lived there per the 1860 census? > > I have looked at records of the 2nd Eval. Luth. Church, Chambersburg, and the Trinity Reformed Church, St. Thomas, and found no clues. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. I will share info. on John's descendants if anyone is interested. > > Dick Kishline > kishline@benzie.com

Am trying to find the parents of my great grandfather, John Miller. His death record shows he was born Dec. 22, 1834, in Franklin Co., PA. A Family History Center Ancestral File shows William Miller and Catharine Croft in Chambersburg, having a son John, born 1834. The 1850 Franklin Co. census shows a William Miller and Catharine, with a son, age 16, in Hamilton Twp.. There is an age discrepency between the Ancestral File and the census. The Ancestral File shows William was born in 1781, and Catharine in 1791. The census shows William abt 1795, and Catharine abt 1794. In support of accepting the Ancestral File, an older son of William and Catharine, William P., was married in Canal Winchester, OH, and lived there per the 1850 census. Is it a coincidence that John, my ggfather was married in Canal Winchester in 1855, and lived there per the 1860 census? I have looked at records of the 2nd Eval. Luth. Church, Chambersburg, and the Trinity Reformed Church, St. Thomas, and found no clues. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I will share info. on John's descendants if anyone is interested. Dick Kishline kishline@benzie.com

Hi List: Does anyone have access to or know where I can obtain a "copy" of the book, THE HEIFNER 1776 [or 1774] to 1976 by Lewis Heifner. I am unsure if this is the entire title of the genealogy as we did not see the actual book. The title was given to me by my husband's cousin who is trying to trace his mother's ancestry. He just got started in researching and does not know much in the way of researching and does not have access to the internet and I am trying to help. Thanks in advance and hope you all have a wonderfully joyous Holiday Season! Donna HELLER ZINN of Cumberland Co., PA.

Hi List: Sorry for the choppy copy of the article. I copied and pasted the original that was sent out on the YORK Co. List and when I checked it with my system - it looked fine. Once again SORRY! Donna HELLER ZINN of Cumberland Co., PA.

Hi List: This article from a current edition of The York Daily Record was sent through the York List by Theresa Riley. Since they mentioned that Benjamin A. HOOVER and his wife, Margaretta SHOEMAKER had at one time taught school in Franklin Co., PA. I decided to forward it to the list. Hope this helps someone! Best Wishes for a joyous Holiday Season! Donna HELLER ZINN of Cumberland Co., PA. ************************* A family of physicians finds love in helping By DAVID SMITH Daily Record correspondent Before 1910, when Dr. Benjamin A. Hoover left his home on Locust Street in Wrightsville to deliver a baby, his first stop was at the Number 8 pier along the Susquehanna River, where he would obtain an infant to fit the bill. At least this is the story the doctor told his young son, Philip, satisfying the boy's curiosity about where babies came from. The elder Hoover also assured that his boy's attention would be diverted to the pier every time he passed it. Both Dr. Hoover and his wife had been teachers in the school system of nearby Franklin County. She taught until their marriage, and he until 1897, when he decided to enter the medical profession. Benjamin attended the Medico-Chirurgical College of Philadelphia, which later became part of the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine. In 1901, he set up a small practice in Upper Strasburg, where he worked for two years. Benjamin longed to pr actice in a more populated area and seized the opportunity to take over the practice of the late Dr. John Channel in Wrightsville. Benjamin Hoover and Margaretta Shoemaker married on July 7, 1903, and moved two days later to the town along the river that would be their home for the next 60-plus years. The doctor and his wife became parents to Philip, Robert and Margaretta in the f ollowing years, with Philip especially taking an interest in his father's profession. Although the horse and buggy were the staple transport for the country doctor, the purchase in 1916 of a reliable Dodge sedan moved Dr. Hoover into the 20th century. In the winter, however, there were times when the only way to travel over snow-drifted roads was in his own sleigh. Benjamin soon held other posts of importance in the community. He helped organize the Wrightsville Savings and Loan in 1911 and served as its president for 30 years. He was also president of the First National Bank of Wrightsville for more than 20 year s then served as a trustee after its merger with the York Bank and Trust Co. Benjamin was a member and later president of the York County Medical Society. He was a founding member of the Rotary Club of Wrightsville and served the American Red Cross for 30 years. Young Philip Hoover spent countless hours on house calls with his father. He even became an underage chauffeur in 1918 during an influenza epidemic. He and his father worked 16-hour days for a month straight during this time. On his father's advice, Ph ilip prepared for a career in business or banking. He took up a course of general studies at Franklin & Marshall College in Lancaster. After graduation in 1925, Philip tried several careers, such as working at a brokerage house during the stock market crash of 1929. But his true calling turned out to be medicine, and after taking some required science courses at F&M, he entered the University of Pennsylvania Medical School. Philip graduated in 1936, then married Elizabeth Fles, whom he had met at a church function and fell in love with almost immediately. He interned at York Hospital and started practicing medicine in Dallastown on Sept. 11, 1937, just 13 days before the birth of the couple's first child. Taking the advice of his father ("Expect to work hard and expect to succeed"), Philip spent many ye ars building a successful practice. Like his father, he was active as an elder in the Presbyterian church and also was president of the Rotary Club of Red Lion. The Philip Hoover family grew to include six children, sons Benjamin A. II, and Robert P. as well as daughters Elizabeth, Barbara, Susan and Sarah. Among Philip's many accomplishments were the co-founding of the congenital heart clinic at York Hospital and serving as one of the original founders of the York Foundation. He was also a board member of the Historical Society of York County and served on the committee that built the Memorial Gym in Dallastown. One of his sons, Benjamin, spent many summers working at York Hospital. That experience, Philip believes, led his son to pursue a career in medicine. The Benjamin A. Hoover II, who practices medicine today, is the third generation of his family to do so in York County. He and his wife, Anne B. (Cramer) Hoover, are the parents of two sons and a daughter. Benjamin graduated from the Mercersburg Academy and followed his father's path to the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine after graduation from Princeton. Ben's grandfather, the original Benjamin Hoover, died in 1962 when his grandson was a junior in medical school. Benjamin went on after graduation to and internship and residency at York Hospital, then spent three years during the Vietnam War as chief of medicine at the U.S. Army hospital in Wurzburg, Germany. Upon returning to York, Benjamin set up a solo practice, Brockie Internal Medicine Consultants, where today he leads a staff of nine physicians. He has received numerous medical honors and published several papers in medical journals. He and his wife are involved in many community service organizations including The Rotary Club of York, of which he was president, the York Symphony Association, The York Foundation, and the Strand-Capitol Performing Arts Center Foundation. He is also the chairman of the board of the trustees at York College of Pennsylvania. Anne is on the board of the York County Council of Churches, the Junior League of York and the York County Farm and Natural Lands Trust. The doctors of all three generations of the Hoover family have devoted more than 100 years to the health and welfare of the people of York County. Beyond their concern for the people they serve has always been a deep love of family as expressed by Philip Hoover in this excerpt from his memoir: "As one who spent his youth in the same household with this amazing man, I can attest that no accolade, no matter how sincere and well-crafted, could do justice to this dedicated, wise and knowledgeable medical servant of mankind who was my father, the doctor." Sources: "Echoes of the Health Century," by Philip A. Hoover; papers provided by and interview with Benjamin A. Hoover II.

I am looking for help locating information on the family of Johannes Dingeldein living in Chambersburg from 1831-1839 then moving to Pittsburgh. His sister Elizabeth Margaretha stayed on till her death in 1847. This is all I have on this family I am especially looking for help on the sister and why she might have stayed behind. -- Derek Dingledine Searching Dingeldein, Dingledine,Dinkledein ,Dingeldey In USA and Canada

I have been searching for the ancestors of Andrew Jackson (b:1825/6) & Samuel S. (b: 1822) MILLER, who were born in or near York or Chambersburg, PA. Andrew married Elizabeth FORSCHT from York in 1852 in Savannah GA. Samuel married Anna E. HENDERSON from Savannah in 1851. Obviously, the brothers migrated to GA. I know Andrew was in York as a cabinet maker apprentice and went to Baltimore for a brief time (abt 1850) before he went south in 1851. Samuel went to GA abt 1847. In my e-mail this morning, my cousin in Savannah, told me that her father always said his family was from Alsace-Lorraine. Her father was the grandson of Andrew MILLER. Is anyone on the list researching MILLERs from Alsace-Lorraine and PA? Thanks, Susan Marshall EAlt117@aol.com

I am looking for help locating information on the family of Johannes Dingeldein living in Chambersburg from 1831-1839 then moving to Pittsburgh. His sister Elizabeth Margaretha stayed on till her death in 1847. This is all I have on this family I am especially looking for help on the sister and why she might have stayed behind. -- Derek Dingledine Searching Dingeldein, Dingledine,Dinkledein ,Dingeldey In USA and Canada

Some more names of militia officers from Franklin Co. Barbara PAFRANKL list baha@bitxbit.net Info from the PA Archives, Series 9, Volume 2 Tuesday, Nov 29th 1796 A Return of Militia Officers to supply vacancies in the Militia of the County of Franklin was this day presented to the Governor, who ordered Commissions to issue and the same were accordingly issued, to the following named persons: Third Regiment Philip Davis, Major of the 1st Battalion James Irwin, Captain, Light Infantry Company John Finley, Lt, Light Infantry Company Archibald Bard, Ensign, Light Infantry Company Ephraim Harris, Lt, 8th Company James Withrow, Ensign, 8th Company William Bryer, Captain, 1st Company William Moore, Ensign, 1st Company James Adair, Captain, 2nd Company Benjamin Roberts, Lt, 2nd Company James Cunningham, Ensign, 2nd Company Fourth Regiment William Ramsey, Captain, 8th Company Daniel Eckles, Lt, 5th Company Frederick Sparr, Captain, 3rd Company Michael Markley, Ensign, 2nd Company First Regiment Andrew McElvey, Ensign, 6th Company William Davison, Ensign, 5th Company Fifth Regiment George Sloan, Lt, 4th Company Matthew Scott, Lt, 6th Company John Stombaugh, Ensign, 6th Company - --------------------------------

Folks, Just a reminder --- With the holiday season fast approaching, there is the temptation to forward interesting and delightful BUT non-genealogy items to the list --- Please remember that postings are to pertain to genealogy --- And speaking of genealogy, I'm still searching for info about John THOMPSON who was in Lurgan Twp in the 1770s --- Thanks Barbara PAFRANKL list owner baha@bitxbit.net

Good Morning List, I am here to apologise for send mail thru this list that does NOT pertain to genealogy. I hope you will ALL accept it and forgive my desecration. I only meant to share someting not be out of line. I will though resign from this list, as I do NOT wish to hurt anyone nor tread on any toes. Thank you for your time. HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL OF YOU. Kat

Hello List and Friends: This was just sent to me through QuotesMailer.com. I thought it suited genealogy.... Donna HELLER ZINN of Cumberland Co., PA. > A man's rootage is more important than his leafage. > -- Woodrow Wilson -- Woodrow Wilson

I got this from one of my genealogy lists, but I so totally agree with it that I am sending it on to ALL of you. Seems we have FORGOTTEN what this season is all about...........I for one am very sad that we have........................Kat MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE YOUR INVITATION TO A BIRTHDAY PARTY! >> >> Hello dear friend! Well, as you know, it's time for my birthday >> again. Last year, they had a real big party for me and it seems >> like they will again this year. After all, they've been >> shopping and preparing for it for months now, and there have >> been announcements and advertisements almost everyday about how >> soon it's coming! They really do go overboard about it, but >> it's nice to know that at least on one day of the year some >> people are thinking about me a little. You know, it's been many >> years now since they first started celebrating my birthday. Back >> then they seemed to realize and appreciate how much fun it is >> for the little children. Just the same, it seems that most folks >> are missing the point of it all. Like last year, for example: >> When my birthday came around, they threw a big party, but can >> you believe it?... I wasn't invited! Imagine! The guest of >> honor, and they forgot all about me! Here they had begun preparing >> for the festivities two months in advance, but when the big day >> came, I was left out in the cold! Well, it happened so many times >> in recent years, I wasn't even surprised. Even though I wasn't >> invited, I thought I'd just quietly slip in anyway. So I came in >> and stood off to the side. Everyone was drinking, laughing and >> having a grand time, when all of the sudden, in came this fat >> fellow in a bright red suit, wearing a phony white beard and >> shouting, Ho Ho Ho! He looked like he had more than enough to >> drink, but he somehow managed to weave his way running the floor >> while everyone cheered. When he collapsed into a big armchair, >> all the children went running over to him excitedly yelling, >> Santa!! Santa!! I mean, you'd have thought he was the guest >> of honor and the whole holiday was in his honor! Then he began >> telling them the most ridiculous stories you've ever heard ... >> that he lived at the North Pole with a crew of dwarfs and that >> every year on my birthday he rides in his sleigh pulled by a >> bunch of flying reindeers, delivering presents to children all >> over the world!! I mean there wasn't a word of truth in >> anything he said! Imagine telling such poor, little, >> impressionable kids such far-fetched fables! Finally I just >> had to leave, I walked out of the door, and it was hardly >> surprising that no one even noticed that I had gone. As I >> walked on the street afterward, I felt about as lonely and >> forlorn as stray dogs! I could hardly remember the last time >> I'd felt that low. Maybe you do not think I cry........... >> That little manger scene you had put in the corner of your >> living room was really touching!! It's sweet of people to >> commemorate my birthday like that. But did you know that >> nowadays, in some countries, the authorities won't even >> allow manger scenes to be displayed in the parks, streets, >> or public places anymore! Not to mention their schools! And >> I'm not talking about Communist countries! I'm talking about >> the good USA, Imagine!! What could be more innocent than a >> manger scene to remind people of my birthday?.... and yet >> they ban it! They've actually passed laws against it and >> made it illegal! What's this world coming to? Another thing >> that amazes me is how, on my birthday, instead of giving me >> presents, most people give presents to each other! And to top >> it all off, it's usually all kinds of stuff they don't even >> need! Let me ask you, wouldn't you find it odd if when your >> birthday came along, all your friends decided to celebrate it >> by giving each other presents and never gave you a thing? >> Someone once told me, well, it's because you're not around >> like other people are, so how can we give you a present? You >> know my answer to that one: Then give gifts of food and >> clothing to the poor, help those who need it. Go visit the >> lonely! I said, Listen, any gift you give to your needy >> fellowmen, I'll count as if you gave it to me personally! >> (See Mathew 25:34-40) >> Well sad to say, things are getting worse each year. You can >> just imagine my shock a few years ago when I began seeing >> them taking my name out of my birthday greeting and replacing >> it with an X What an insult!! Think of it!...X-mas!! What if >> I wrote you a birthday card and said Happy Birthday X! You'd >> probably never talk to me again! And that's just about how I >> feel, I mean what more could they do to push me right out of >> the picture on my own birthday? It reminds me of what >> happened recently to a friend of mine, a sweet elderly >> fellow. He's from the poorer side of town and he's been trying >> unsuccessfully for years to join the church. But it was a very >> exclusive church for the proper kind of folks, and they just >> did not think he was good enough to be a member, I found him >> one day sitting by the church steps with his head on his hands >> bowed and I asked him what was wrong, he told me about it, I >> put my arm around his shoulder and told him I knew how he felt. >> I've been wanting to enter that same church for twenty years >> and they've never let me in either! Well, there's an end even >> to my patience. So I'm going to let you in on a secret......... >> Now this is something I've been planning on doing for quite >> sometime, but the way things are going, I think I'm planning of >> holding my own party! How about that? It's going to be the >> biggest most fantastic feast you could possibly imagine! It >> might not happen this year, but I'm sending out invitations now >> anyway because I know you'll want to come. There's going to be >> room for billions, for everyone who wants to come! Some really >> famous old timers and celebrities are going to be there and >> I'll reserve you seat of honor right with them! (Mathew 8:11) >> So hold on to your hat because when everything is ready, I'm >> going to spring it as a big surprise and a lot of people are >> going to be left out in the cold, because they didn't answer >> my invitation!! Let me know right away if you'd like to come, >> and I'll reserve you a place and, write your name in large >> golden letters in my BIG GUEST BOOK!! >> >> Much Love, >> JESUS

Hello, We are looking for information on ancstors/siblings of Catherine SHOUP (b.1790-d. 26 Oct 1871 PA). Catherine was the wife of Peter VARNER(Warner/Werner) of Richland Twp. Cambria County, PA. Peter's father (Nicholas) was originally from the vicinity of Adams (then York) Co. PA and Carroll (then Frederick) Co. MD. It is believed that Catherine (or her family) was orginally from the MD/PA border area which currently includes Adams & Franklin Counties in PA and Carroll, Frederick, Washington (possibly Baltimore) Counties in MD. The Varner route to Cambria County was via the "Morrisons Cove" area of Bedford County and the Shoups MAY have migrated via the same route. I do have considerable information on the descendants of Catherine/Peter Varner which I am prepared to share. If you have any information on the SHOUP line I would be glad to hear from you. Thank you for you time. Don Varner (DRVarner@aol.com)