>From the Franklin Telegraph, March 13, 1837: On Tues. the 28th ult., in Letterkenny Twp., Mrs. Elizabeth Hawk, Aged 91 years, 1 month, 16 days. Does anybody know any more about her or her family? My Hawk family was from Pleasant Hall in Letterkenny Twp., but this lady was too old at 62 to have born my gg grandfather John S. Hawk, in 1808 and his brother Jacob in 1812. Perhaps she was their grandmother. -- Bill Hawk

The Leedy Family History by Gordon M Connelly 1985 on page 41 gives the following Franklin County information: Ledy prior to 1790, descended from Daniel b c 1735 (possibly Daniel Lüdi immigrant 1750) Andrew Ledy, resident in 1790 (may be Andrew Leidy on tax lists of Washington Co VA in 1780's) Daniel's son, Heinrich, b c 1765 married Maria Elisabeth Müller in 1789 (10 children bapt between 1791 and 1811 in Washington Twp, Franklin Co) Simon Lidy died in fall in 1814 in Peters Twp, Franklin Co (m to Barbara Stenger in 1785) - children named in will Samuel, George, John, Daniel, Hannah Smith and Polly, Catherine and Betsy Lydey George Lidy of Peters Twp b 1766-84, in 1810 census Samuel Lydy there in 1830; Samuel Leady in 1840 Daniel Lydie of Peters Twp b 1801-10, listed next to Samuel Leady and Daniel Lidy, 49, laborer in Clouser household in Peters Twp 1850 John Lidy or Leidey estate admin. by George Lidy in 1845 Sue in San Jose, California related to Samuel LEEDY (1750-1815) and looking for John BEEVER (ca 1793-1878) and son David (1818-1892) in Franklin Co PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan" <nefret@frontiernet.net> To: <PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 4:45 PM Subject: [PAFRANKL] Lydie/Lidie/Lyday surname > Searching for the connection to above surname in Franklin Co. My Ancestor could have traveled down into Frederick MD from PA, where he is found: John Lydie b. abt. 1785 ? found at Creagerstown at baptismal of son, Joseph. > Any link or info appreciated! Thanks. > > Jan > Researcher of Lidie/Summers surnames > Lookups in Names in Stone - Frederick MD > & MD German Ch. Records VolJAN > > ______________________________

Hello Fellow Listers: Please find below a posting that was sent to me personally. Sincerely, Donna HELLER ZINN Subject: Re: [PASNYDER-L] PATTERSON / PROVARD Family Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 0:32:13 -0500 From: Carol <clloyd@bellsouth.net> Here is what I have found, there is a town in PA named Rouzerville, Franklin Co., Washington Twp., PA. In 1900 according to the PA Line they had a population of 300. I don't know if it still exists or not. Here is the only listing I can find for Cleveland Provard and it is his SS# Cleveland Provard, b. 8 Mar 1886, d. Nov 1982, his residence was 17222 Fayetteville, Franklin, PA. and his SS# was 205-09-4129. I couldn't find any listing for him in any census. At 02/03/2000 10:11:00 PM, you wrote: >Hello Again Fellow Listers: > >Below is a posting that was sent through the Franklin Co. PA. List. I >am sending it on to several other lists in hopes that someone out there >may know something of this person or family. I did take notice that the >doctor who signed the birth certificate is Dr. HOOVER who I believe was >originally from Wrightsville, York Co., PA. > >Best Wishes... >Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. > > *************************************** > >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:20:11 EST >From: Blumoo8133@aol.com >To: PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com > >Hope someone can help me with this one, I am looking for the Parents or >Parent >who put their son DAVID EDWARD PATTERSON in the Orphanage (Called >Children's Home?) >in Chambersberg, Franklin County, PA. > >I am new too this list and am not well versed on Pa. I am hoping >someone >could direct me to the proper place too help find the Parents of DAVID >PATTERSON. This is what I do have. > >Birth Cert says the following: >DAVID EDWARD PATTERSON b Dec 22, 1910 Twp, Washington, Borough, >Rou__Ville? >Franklin County Pa. >Listed as his Parents are: >CLEVELAND PROVARD age 22 birth place Pa. Trade Mason >GRACE PATTERSON age 18 birth place Rou_ _ Ville? (looks like the letters >are z e. >Trade House Maid. >DAVID had his Mothers Name not his fathers, CLEVELAND and GRACE were not >married. Dr signed birth cert as Hoover. M. D > >DAVID does not know who old he was when he came to the Orphanage, he is >sure he >was an infant, his first memory of it was when he was 2-3, > >Is there a history about this Orphanage? Is it up on a web site in Pa? >Or someone who would be well versed on the Subject? DAVID will be 90 >this year and never knew the names of his Parents until Last night. He >wants too find his family if he has any, he has a sharp mind and >remembers everything about the home the wardens (who took care of them, >etc.) He also said that there was a Cemetery across the street from the >Orphanage. This wonderful person has so much too tell. If anyone can >help me in this quest too find DAVID'S family please email me. I will >take any suggestions, etc. > >Oh and can someone direct me too a place too get a map of the County of >Franklin and surrounding counties? I cant tell you how grateful I am. >Stacy. > >

Do you have anymore info. on Simon Lidy? Specifically his daughter Catherine. She was married to my GGG Grandfather in 1816. I'm looking for birth and death dates for Catherine. Simon was married before Barbara, does your book list her name? Does it list a middle name for Betsy? I have her as Elizabeth. I know this is a lot to ask but anything would be helpful. Ken Hite, Jr. York, Pa. HHite94965@aol.com

To Everyone on the FRANKLIN LIST I am sending you a warmest Thank you, for all of your help and sending good thoughts, I have connected too a family in Franklin who might be related to DAVID PATTERSON not sure yet but on the right path, I am still looking for GRACE PATTERSON from Rouzerville. This is a hapyy day for all of us. Thanks Again SLR.

Hi Fellow Listers: I normally do not send "jokes" through the list, but this one seems to tie into genealogy somewhat. There is no intention on my behalf to be disrespectful to the Irish... as I am also part-Irish and have ancestors by the name of DALRYMPLE. Enjoy... Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. ****************************** The Mile Marker Three Irishmen, Paddy, Sean and Shamus, were stumbling home late one night and found themselves on the road which led past the old graveyard. "Come have a look over here", says Paddy, "It's Michael O'Grady's grave, God bless his soul, he lived to the ripe old age of 87." "That's nothing", says Sean, "here's one named Patrick O'Toole. It says here that he was 95 when he died." Just then, Shamus yells out, "But here's a fella that died when he was 145 years old!" "What was his name?" asks Paddy. Shamus lights a match to see what else is written on the stone marker, and exclaims, "Miles, from Dublin." =================================================== Get the FunnyMailer FREE in your inbox every day! Sign up at http://www.funnymail.com/lists/ or send a blank email to: join-funnymailer@lists.funnymail.com

Hello Fellow Listers: I am forwarding this note that was posted on the Snyder Co., PA. List in answer to a posting that I had previously sent about Vital Records being possibly closed to the public. I have had several personal replies since the original was sent, about a week ago. Several were informing me that they thought it was a hoax while others thought the opposite. I have copied and pasted what you will read below. Best Wishes... Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. ************************************** Listers: The question has been raised about Iowa records being closed. If you go to our GenWeb page for Iowa at... http://www.rootsweb.com/~iagenweb/index.htm ...you can read the following information. URGENT! IOWA BIRTH RECORDS TO BE CLOSED The Iowa State Department of Health, Vital Records Division, would like to see all birth records less than 95 years old closed to the public at the county level and have drafted a bill to this effect to be taken up by the legislature. According to Larry Coghlan of the Vital Records Dept., "The proposal is to make birth certificates 95 years old and older available for inspection and copying at the county level. The rest of the birth certificates would require a direct and tangible interest to obtain a copy. It is being proposed because of the identity theft (fraud) that has been taking place throughout the United States." This proposal raises a number of questions: Is it really necessary to close 95 years of records to address this problem? How will moving the records from the county level to the state level make it any more (or less) difficult for people interested in committing fraud? How will they define "direct and tangible interest"? Will state employees have the time and inclination to REALLY search the records for your ancestor, or will they keep the money and say "Not Found!" when the record is not exactly where it should be but just a few lines or pages away? Can they take the time to search for possible misspellings or decipher illegible handwriting? If ISDH gets this passed for birth records will all the other records follow suit? Is this an ill-conceived plan to punish the innocent (genealogists and others who need access to these records) instead of the guilty (those who commit fraud)? We need to ask questions now. If you cherish your right to have all your county records available at your county courthouse, speak up. WRITE. CALL. EMAIL. your county officials, state representatives and Governor Vilsack. If you don't speak up now, it might be too late. I'm afraid it is true. You can follow the links to contact the Honorable Governor Vilsack from the above named GenWeb page. Any help would be appreciated! Bill Rathbun Fairfield, Iowa billrath@kdsi.net

Lesley, Please respond to sscook@mindspring.com regarding the 3rd Resurvey of Sarah's Delight. I sent you another e-mail and am very anxious to correspond with you on this. If I am right, I believe my family has owned a farm for four generations on this land, and my father and mother are still there and own it. Please, please, please respond! Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Shockey <lshockey@citynet.net> To: PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com <PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Pen Mar >There was a large amusement park located on top of the >mountain. One of my distant Shockey cousins tells stories of going >there as a young man. One of the stories he tells is about how the >railroad came in and moved it all out in the middle of the >night. My 5th great grandfather John Christopher Shockey (Johann >Christoffel Schacke) owned 1820 acres of the valley south of the >mountain. The land was called the 3rd Resurvey of Sarah's >Delight. The Mason - Dixon line went right by his house and they >tell in their journals of the stay with "Stoffel" Shockey. > >Also near the location of the amusement park were located the >Valentine Shockey caves. > >The view from the lookout is fantastic. > >Les Shockey > >At 08:15 PM 2/2/00 -0500, Bill Hawk wrote: > >>Can anyone tell me about this place? >>I came across several old family photos which were taken "at Pen Mar". >>There appears to be a large building in the background. I know that >>there was/is a Pen Mar P.O. in Washington Twp. Was there a resort >>hotel >>or amusement park there in the 20's? >> >>-- >>Bill Hawk > >------ > >Les Shockey email address = lshockey@citynet.net > or wvgenweb@citynet.net >RootsWeb Listowner for the SHOCKEY family discussion group. > SHOCKEY-L@rootsweb.com >Visit the Jackson County, WVGenWeb Page, part of USGenWeb Project at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM >Visit the (West Virginia) WVGenWeb: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/ >Member and Supporter of RootsWeb. > > Are you helping support RootsWeb? >

I got a lot of good information about Pen Mar from friends on the list. Included was the following url from Phyllis Lopez, which I thought I'd post to the list in case anyone else is interested: http://www.herald-mail.com/news/1999/08/02/local/Pen_Mark_Park_offers_da.html -- Bill Hawk

Joan, I am amazed to finally find somebody with a Patton connection! I happen to have a copy of the Bible records of JOHN WHITE (s/o CAPTAIN JOHN WHITE) who m. MARGARET PATTON d/o JAMES PATTON. I also have a Bio on CAPTAIN JOHN WHITE (s/o ANDREW & JEAN WHITE) who d. in the Ligonier Pa. area. In the Bio it mentions that his son John m. MARGARET PATTON & his sons travelled to HANNASTOWN to administer to their fathers lands there. I believe that this is the John White who eventually travelled to INDIANA CO. PA. with my JAMES SIMPSON & James was m. to his sister HANNAH WHITE. John was mentioned in an Indian attack there. Also mentioned at HANNASTOWN were my James Simpson saving a child from the fire & "the White Brothers" running their horses all night so the Indians would think that there were reinforcements arriving. Email me at SSchu22739@aol.com if you would like to trade info. Also if anybody else has info about these families (or would like the info that I have) I would appreciate it! Sincerely, Sharon Lantzy Wygant Surnames: Anderson, Fluke, Hasselor, Horton, Kingston, Lamer (Leamer, Lehmer), Lantzy (Lenzi), McAnulty,McCullough, McLane (McLain,McLean, McLene), O'Cain Patton, Robertson/Robinson, Shankle, Sheckler, Simpson, Sitter, Steen, Stuchell, Thompson (Thomson), White, Willett, Wygant.

Jan, I think we may be searching up the same tree. I have Magdadena Lidy b. abt. 1776, m. John Leiter, b. 1776. John was the son of Jacob Leiter, founder of Leitersburg, and some of John and Magdalena's children were baptized in Hagerstown. So far, she is the only Lidy in my database and I have been trying to find her ancestors. Barbara Archer

There was a large amusement park located on top of the mountain. One of my distant Shockey cousins tells stories of going there as a young man. One of the stories he tells is about how the railroad came in and moved it all out in the middle of the night. My 5th great grandfather John Christopher Shockey (Johann Christoffel Schacke) owned 1820 acres of the valley south of the mountain. The land was called the 3rd Resurvey of Sarah's Delight. The Mason - Dixon line went right by his house and they tell in their journals of the stay with "Stoffel" Shockey. Also near the location of the amusement park were located the Valentine Shockey caves. The view from the lookout is fantastic. Les Shockey At 08:15 PM 2/2/00 -0500, Bill Hawk wrote: >Can anyone tell me about this place? >I came across several old family photos which were taken "at Pen Mar". >There appears to be a large building in the background. I know that >there was/is a Pen Mar P.O. in Washington Twp. Was there a resort >hotel >or amusement park there in the 20's? > >-- >Bill Hawk ------ Les Shockey email address = lshockey@citynet.net or wvgenweb@citynet.net RootsWeb Listowner for the SHOCKEY family discussion group. SHOCKEY-L@rootsweb.com Visit the Jackson County, WVGenWeb Page, part of USGenWeb Project at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM Visit the (West Virginia) WVGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/ Member and Supporter of RootsWeb. Are you helping support RootsWeb?

Can anyone tell me about this place? I came across several old family photos which were taken "at Pen Mar". There appears to be a large building in the background. I know that there was/is a Pen Mar P.O. in Washington Twp. Was there a resort hotel or amusement park there in the 20's? -- Bill Hawk

Searching for the connection to above surname in Franklin Co. My Ancestor could have traveled down into Frederick MD from PA, where he is found: John Lydie b. abt. 1785 ? found at Creagerstown at baptismal of son, Joseph. Any link or info appreciated! Thanks. Jan Researcher of Lidie/Summers surnames Lookups in Names in Stone - Frederick MD & MD German Ch. Records VolJAN

Stacey: I'd inquire about your names and the Children's Home at the Kittochtinny Historical Society in Chambersburg. Their address is at their website: < www.rootsweb.com/~pakhs/ >. Carol

Stacey: Rouzerville is located in the southeastern corner of Franklin County, near Waynesboro, in Washington Township. Wish I could tell you more. Carol

Please contact me at Joanjmm@aol.com if you have a connection or any information regarding the following: James Patton b. abt. 1734, Ireland, died January 16, 1821, Fort Loudon, Franklin Co., PA, son of Matthew Patton, b. abt. 1691, Ireland, and Elizabeth. James married Mary (Prudence?) Newell in Ireland, daughter of Robert Newell. She was born abt. 1736, Ireland, and died June 7, 1806, Alexandria, VA. Children of James and Mary (Prudence?) Newell: l. Robert Patton, Sr., b. abt. 1750, Co. Derry, Ireland, died in Alexandria, Fairfax Co., VA 2. James Patton, Esquire, b. abt. 1755, Ireland, died in Alexandria, VA, married Mary "Mollie" Kincaid, daughter of James Kincaid 3. Margaret Patton b. abt. 1758, Ireland 4. Rebecca Patton, b. abt. 1760, Ireland 5. Mary Patton b. abt. 1762, Ireland 6. Elizabeth Patton b. abt. 1764, Ireland 7. Grizzel Patton, b. abt. 1769, Ireland 8. Matthew Patton, b. April 12, 1776, died June 25, 1845

This is what I sent to the addresses listed: "Dear sir: The current trend among many more advanced states is to make as many public records as possible open to the public. I am very distressed to read that Iowa is considering closing its records to the public! I understand that, for a fee, you will look things up for people, and for $8 (!!!) you will provide copies. Pardon me while I retch. This is absolutely obscene. I realize the inconvenience of having the public browsing through your records... however, you all are there to provide service to the public, not to improve your personal convenience. Please reconsider your idea to close records to the public. Dr. E. T. Hunter

Hope someone can help me with this one, I am looking for the Parents or Parent who put their son DAVID EDWARD PATTERSON in the Orphanage (Called Children's Home?) in Chambersberg, Franklin County, PA. I am new too this list and am not well versed on Pa. I am hoping someone could direct me to the proper place too help find the Parents of DAVID PATTERSON. This is what I do have. Birth Cert says the following DAVID EDWARD PATTERSON b Dec 22, 1910 Twp, Washington, Borough, Rou_ _Ville? Franklin, County Pa. Listed as his Parents are CLEVELAND PROVARD age 22 birth place Pa. Trade Mason GRACE PATTERSON age 18 birth place Rou_ _ Ville? (looks like the letters are z e. Trade House Maid. DAVID had his Mothers Name not his fathers, CLEVELAND and GRACE were not married. Dr signed birth cert as Hoover. M. D DAVID does not know who old he was when he came to the Orphanage, he is sure he was an infant, his first memory of it was when he was 2-3, Is there a history about this Orphanage? Is it up on a web site in Pa? Or someone who would be well versed on the Subject? DAVID will be 90 this year and never knew the names of his Parents until Last night. He wants too find his family if he has any, he has a sharp mind and remembers everything about the home the wardens (who took care of them, etc.) He also said that there was a Cemetery across the street from the Orphanage. This wonderful person has so much too tell. If anyone can help me in this quest too find DAVID'S family please email me. I will take any suggestions, etc. Oh and can someone direct me too a place too get a map of the County of Franklin and surrounding counties? I cant tell you how grateful I am. Stacy.

Hello Fellow Listers: Below is a copy of what was just sent to me from the Blair County, PA. List. If this is not legitimate please forgive... But if it is... I think this is something that we need to really look into! Concerned... Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. ****************** Subject: Fwd: Help keep Iowa records open. In a message dated 1/25/00 3:35:01 PM, Pmauer writes: The State of Iowa is considering closing their records to the public. This has already been done in the State of Illinois where you have to rely on someone in the courthouse to look things up for you for a fee of $2.00 and if you want a copy, that is $8.00 more. Many of the people from the East went to Iowa and you may need to obtain some of their records, if not now, in the future. Even if you are not an Iowa resident, please be part of the numbers to be heard about how important it is to have these available. Send an email to keith_weigel@legis.state.ia.us and betty_soupkup@legis.state.ia.us Please forward this message to: 1) as many people you know who reside in Iowa 2) as many genealogical societies as you know 3) as many other organizations whose voices might make a difference 4) everyone you know who are involved in genealogy and history research