Philipp REGES(my 4th great grandfather) was a Hessian soldier, a member of the auxilliary troops used by the British in the Revolutionary War. He was among those surrendered at Saratoga by Burgoyne, and deserted in or near York PA in 1778. He married near York, and lived there until 1795, when he and his family moved to Chambersburg in 1795, and he worked as a weaver and dyer of cloth there until he died in 1812. Does any one on the list have any information on weavers working in Chambersburg during that period, or any historical info dealing with life in the town in those times? I'm trying to get a mental picture of what life was like. I have the Warner, Beers "History of Franklin County", and have been to Kittochtinny Historical Society a few times, so I do have some idea. I'm just looking for a little more detail about the life of a weaver and his family. -- Bill Hawk

List Members, I had some great replies to my posting asking for help for the U.K. researcher. I tried to thank everyone who responded and a "Thank You" to the rest of the members who might have received duplicate copies of that message. I got six :) Several asked that I post the information to the list, so since some did contain genealogy information and area history, I have copied and pasted the information, sender's first name and email address in case anyone should want to contact them for further information. Again, Thank you, one and all Barb CA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I do not know the reason behind the name of the mountains, but in Lancaster County PA there is a place known as the Welsh Mountains. It is located near New Holland and Blue Ball PA. There must have been a number of Welsh families settle there over the years. It was also the home of descendents of run away slaves up until the mid 1980's when housing development came into the area. Built along the mountains there use to be many wooden shacks/houses that the blacks use to live in. They were very poor people. They had been there for several hundred years. As far as I know there is only one shack remaining there to this day. If you or the person from the UK contacts the Lancaster County Historical Society or maybe even the New Holland Historical Society you may be able to get more information. I think the route numbered road that runs through the Welsh Mountains is Rt. 257. If you find New Holland and Blue Ball and Rt. 23 on a map of Pa., you should be able to find Rt 257. I am sure there is a Lancaster County Historical Society but I am not sure if one does exist in New Holland. Hope this is of some help Sharon - Shadonkd35@aol.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My great grandfather, John Harry O'Neal, from Bedford County, Pa married an Elizabeth Jane Thomas, born in 1883. Elizabeth's parents, Joseph Thomas and Hannah Jenkins were from Wales and immigrated to Terra Haute, Indiana. Perhaps, Terra Haute was a welsh settlement? My information is on-line at http://www.lor.net/johndortco/ John - johndortco@lor.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is from pg. 295 (lower right corner) of the biography book we're transcribing: Cambria county owes its name, and, in a great measure, its prosperity, to emigrants from Wales and their patriotic descendants. The first Welsh colony settled in what is now Cambria township, one hundred years ago (1796), and gave to their settlement the name Cambria, in memory of their old home in the mountainous part of Wales, the ancient Cymbria. Lynne - landd@accnorwalk.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have a Thomas Thomas who I believe was probably from Wales. He was in Delaware and then moved to what is today Taylor Co, WV. There are several good books on Welsh Research, which can be found at www.heritagebooks.com. You might try that. Meg - Gagliardi_Margaret@bah.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There's a Welsh Run in Franklin Co. I can't tell you anything about it except that my ancestors (Pensyvania Dutch) settled there when they left Lancaster Co. Don - kc0wj@earthlink.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I can help with a good deal of those in the Philadelphia area: Tredyffrin, Bryn Mawr, Bala Cynwyd, Llanarch, St. David's, Berwyn, Haverford, Radnor, Uwchlan, North Wales, Gwynedd, Wynnewood, are the ones the jump out of memory quickly. There are more, I'm sure. The explanation behind many of these is quite simple: many Welsh Quakers came with William Penn in the hopes of founding a Welsh Barony where they could practice the old laws and the language would be Welsh. Once they got here, they found that the Swedes (the nationality, not the vegetable!) and Germans had already divvied things up in a way that made it near impossible to have their Welsh Barony. All of the above are placenmaes except for Wynnewood which is named after William Penn's physician, Thomas Wynne who was a Welshman. There are townships in Berks County named Cumru, Caernarvon. Again, I think it was Welsh immigrants/settlers although I don't know if they were ones that came with Billy Penn or descendents of those settlers. As to Cambria County, Ebensburg is named after the son of the man who settled there. He was a Welshman and grieved deeply for the son who had died. The son's name was Evan. You might want to check out Edward Hartmann's books, probably all out of print, but about Welsh-Americans. Also checking with Welsh societies throughout the US would help as would contacting the National Welsh-American Foundation. I am on the Board of Directors but there are others who would also be able to help. There are two Welsh-American newspapers and I'm sure that would help as well. Let me know if you want their contact information. Hope this gives a start to the state of Pennsylvania. Hwyl fawr, Beth - http://home.earthlink.net/~philipsbrown ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There is a town in Cambria County, PA called Nanty Glo. I believe there is also a place in Wales by that name. I don't know how the PA town got it's name, but I do know there were many Welsh coal miners living in that area around 1870-1880. I have also heard that Welsh was spoken in some parts of the county. Valerie - 2xtaylor@intelos.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <A HREF="http://www.nantyglo.com/index3.htm">Click here: The Nanty Glo Home Page</A> A Welsh Community in PA (http://www.nantyglo.com/index3.htm) Mama Gub@aol.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just off the top of my head: In Pennsylvania: Bala Cynwyd Bryn Athyn Bryn Mawr Jonestown Nanty Glo There might be others, with less obvious Welsh names. Nanty Glo in Cambria County, originally Nant-y-glo, was named by Welsh miners. I believe it translates roughly as "river of fire." --Debra Orner - DOrner1065 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For starters, there is Nany-Glo in Cambria County - it is Welsh for running streams of coal. Beulah was a Welsh settlement in Cambria County. Cambria itself has welsh roots in the name. DR - dpaul7@gte.net Johnstown, PA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A great lot of Welsh settled in the Georges Creek Coal Basin of Allegany County, Maryland - Western Maryland. No Welsh town names but we did have one coal mine named BLAENAVON. I think someone named Lewis owned it. Connie - cbeachy@mail2.gcnet.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I looked in an old history book of Pennsylvania I have since I have the name Thomas and Lewis in my family and they came from eastern Pennsylvania..... "An Illustrated History of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania" by Wm. Egle 1876 Delaware County - Haverford twp. was known in the early colonial days as the "Welsh Tract" the first settlement being in 1684. Newtown twp organised in 1686 original settlers were Welsh. Radnor, emigrants from Radnorshire, Wales about 1683. I'm not sure what county Bryn Mawr is in but I know that also was a Welsh settlement. The Welsh seemed to disperse into all communities more than some of the other nationalities and not keeping to themselves. My Grandmother was born in Brecon, Wales and came to Salem, South Dakota in 1907, There were other Welsh families in that area. Sally - Sieve Sal@aol.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Actually, I'd be interested if she would later respond to the list with her findings. Pattee - jrussell@mcoe.merced.k12.ca.us ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The town of Nanty Glo in Cambria County Pennsylvania and the town of Nanty Coke in Eastern Pennsylvania are both Welsh names. Nanty Coke is hard coal area and Nanty Glo soft coal. My relatives by marriage the Sherwoods were in the Cambria county area. If you do some research on " The Molly Maguires" either a terriorest group or a group of oppressed Irishmen or both, you will see lots of data on Welsh miners in Pennsylvania, hard coal. Parnell - JParnellC@aol.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There are many towns with Welsh names in the western Philadelphia, PA, suburbs. I'll see what more I can learn, but one source said that it was due to real estate people wanting to make the towns sound appealing. Check out Ardmore, Bryn Mawr, Cynwyd, Narberth, Haverford, Radnor, and, of course, Welsh Valley Middle School. Bill - patterson@computer.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wow , Sounds like too big of a subject. ! Cambria County itself is named from the Welsh. And many of the towns in it. As far as any Jonesville, could be named for a Welsh town ...or the Welsh man who first settled the area. Myfrekles@aol.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Have you been in touch with Bryn Mawr College, Bryn Mawr, PA? See, "The Molly McGuires", published late 60's, early 70's. Also, "Lament for the Molly McGuires", same vintage. The first should be in the Baker library at Dartmouth, because I believe a faculty member wrote it, and you can get the full citation there. Look at all the names West of Philadelphia. Bryn Mawr is just the start. And Mauk Chunk was renamed in the last 40 years. Bala Cynwyd, home of the first Boy Scout troop in the US. Pennryn in Lebanon County (obviously a manufactured name), Gladwyne, Glen Mawr in Lycoming County. The Welsh were all through coal country. How about letting us know the email address of this person? Dick - Dick.Harris@mindspring.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There was a large settlement of Welsh in Susquehanna County in NE Pennsylvania in the 1830s and later. This was stated in the History of the Susquehanna Valley. Bill - grimy_b@swbell.net

There's a Welsh Run in Franklin Co. I can't tell you anything about it except that my ancestors (Pensyvania Dutch) settled there when they left Lancaster Co. Don ----- Original Message ----- > LISTERS, > I received an email from someone in the UK, asking for help with a special > project. I've cut and pasted below a part of that email and was hoping that > others on the six PA Lists that I am on might be able to help me. > ---------------------- > << I'm researching placenames in the USA and CANADA with possible Welsh > connections. Once my Data Base is full I hope to find the story behind those > placenames. There's a Conway in North Carolina and a Pembroke. Is the Gower > in Missouri related in any way to the Gower in South Wales? Why was Welsh, > Louisiana so named, and Berwyn Heights in Maryland? North America is > littered with Jonesvilles, and Hughestowns, and Davis's. Were any of these > towns named after Welsh settlers? Do you know of any books on the Welsh in > America that might help >> > ---------------------- >

LISTERS, I received an email from someone in the UK, asking for help with a special project. I've cut and pasted below a part of that email and was hoping that others on the six PA Lists that I am on might be able to help me. ---------------------- << I'm researching placenames in the USA and CANADA with possible Welsh connections. Once my Data Base is full I hope to find the story behind those placenames. There's a Conway in North Carolina and a Pembroke. Is the Gower in Missouri related in any way to the Gower in South Wales? Why was Welsh, Louisiana so named, and Berwyn Heights in Maryland? North America is littered with Jonesvilles, and Hughestowns, and Davis's. Were any of these towns named after Welsh settlers? Do you know of any books on the Welsh in America that might help >> ---------------------- Does anyone have knowledge of any Welsh settlements, towns with Welsh names and how or for whom they were named? I'd be most grateful for any help, and please reply off List to: L3604B401@aol.com so as not to bother the rest of the List with this project. Thank you one and all Barb CA

Hello Fellow Listers: The Juniata Co. Historical Society is taking a bus to Washington DC and the Archives on Wednesday, April 18, 2001. The cost per person is $25.00. Money is needed by March 27th. There is usually a pick-up in Juniata Co. near Stop 35 Truckstop/Restaurant and a pick-up in Cumberland Co. at The Boscov's Mall. I would suggest contacting them just to make sure of stops. They also usually stop at the Mountain Gate Family Restaurant in Thurmont, MD on the way back for the evening meal. This is a smorgasborg/family style restaurant and the food is GOOD!!!!! For reservations and more information contact: Terry Wheeler (717) 436-6118 Juniata Co. Historical Society (717) 436-5152 e-mail Bob Winder rlwind@tricountyi.net

Does anyone know if any of this church's records are online? I just found out my Ggrandparents were married there July 16, 1871. I would love to know the name of the bride's parents. The wedding was between John P. HOUSUM and Lizzie HOFFMAN, and performed by Rev. A. Roths. This is according to the groom's 1917 obituary, which seems to have been written by the widow. Ginny Housum ginnyh@mindspring.com

Hi, Where will I find the forms to request a birth, death, or marriage in Franklin County? Thanks for your help, Pat Smith in Montgomery Co., PA

My g-g-g-grandfather was John Lehman of Franklin County born 1788, married Catherine Barbara Everly, had 14 children: Rose Amanda, Eliza d. infancy, Daniel, Margret, Susanna, Nancy, John, Samuel d. infancy, Jacob, Mary, Samuel, Henry, Peter, and Sarah. First 9 children born near Chambersburg, others unknown. Family moved to Ohio 1830's and on to Illinois 1840's. Are Eliza and Samuel burried in the Lehman Family Cemetery? Any information anyone can share on any Franklin County Lehman's would be much appreciated. Thank you. Melinda at mlspeaker@Kans.com

I have Franklin County ancestor Michael Everly/Eberly, of Chambersburg, Rev War Lieut., married 1st to Mary Stewart/Stuart, 2nd to Catharine Walter, died 1794. I am searching for burial place for Michael and 1st wife, Mary. Can anyone tell me if their names appear in cemetery listings in Chambersburg area. Any information would be very much appreciated. Thank you. Melinda at mlspeaker@Kans.com

I sent to the National Archives for a pension and bounty application for James McCullough. I put that he was in Company of Capt. William Ripley of Franklin Co., PA National says there is no record. Anyone have any suggestions as to where else to look? Karen Patterson

Good Afternoon; I would like to locate this person. She is working in Franklin Co., on the John RALSTON and Margaret GELVIN line. I seem to have a letter from her and have no idea where it came from.. She has proven John Ralston as a Revolutionary Sol. for NSDAR.. BUT she wants to prove that Margaret's father Jeremiah GELVIN was also in the Revolution. WRONG! in great big letters... Margaret's father was Jeremiah GELVIN the ELDER...HE had at least three SONS in the Revolution, one of which was named JEREMIAH. IF you know her please tell her to contact me. if i find THAT Jeremiah is in future DAR records I WILL prove her wrong. And i would hate to have to do that. Thank you, June

Someone was searching for a Greenberry Wilson in Franklin not too long ago, but I can't remember their name. I found a man of that name today in Huntingdon County, just across the line from Franklin. If you see this, please contact me and I will send the information. Carolyn

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6DC239046F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Fellow Listers: Thank you Doris [onale@comteck.com] for the following: Best Wishes... Donna HELLER ZINN > Jeeves answered: > "I have received lots of questions about the quarter moon seen above the > door in most outhouses. > The answer lies in the lighting inside because outhouses were around before > electricity. The best way to let light in was to put in a window. For > privacy reasons, most outhouses were designed with the window above the line > of sight. Many early outhouses contained a decorative "moon cutout" covered > by glass. This allowed just enough light in to take care of business! It > also allowed the real moon to shine through during the night. Bringing a lit > lantern into some outhouses could have caused quite a bang so the moon won > out! In reality, most people had a covered pot under the bed to go in during > the night. Get's mighty cold at night going outside and the varmints are > something else! > Here is another explanation... > Probably the most recognizable symbol associated symbol with the traditional > outhouse building is the familiar crescent moon carved into the privy door. > Actually, the symbol is an ancient one, and was a sign for womanhood in > colonial days and on the frontier. It's male counterpart, Sol, was either a > star or a sun burst design also on the door. Since most male outhouses fell > into disrepair rather quickly they seldom survived; while the female ones > were better maintained, and were eventually used by both sexes. Although you > can find outhouses still standing with the crescent moon, the original > meaning for gender identification was lost by the later nineteenth century > in most areas of the country. > Here is another response from another person... The moon that is often found > on the outhouse door stand for the ancient sign- luna- or womanhood. When > the outhouse was first invented people needed these signs to discern which > was the men's or women's bathroom-for most people couldn't read. Soon, > however, the men's became rundown or was very unkempt and not maintained. So > everybody just used the women's bathroom, and the mens sunburst or sol sign > was forgotten. The moon sign was kept and is also used as a vent. > Another person corrects the term "quarter moon" as follows. This person > obviously knows more about the sky than I do: The first sentence states that > it is a quarter moon. A quarter moon, however, is a half lit moon where the > terminator is half-way between each side of the disk. It would be more > accurate to refer to the moon as a crescent moon in all cases. And if you > wanted to be pedantic about it you could go so far as to call it a waxing or > waning crescent moon depending on which side is lit." > > I went to askjeeves.com and typed in the question "Why are there crescent > moons on outhouse doors?" > > > --------------6DC239046F90 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-From_: onale@comteck.com Sun Feb 11 19:24:15 2001 Return-Path: <onale@comteck.com> Received: from pulse.comteck.com (pulse.comteck.com [209.45.185.5]) by mail.pa.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1C0O9g19011 for <djzinn@pa.net>; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:24:14 -0500 Received: from compzone (ip45-136-139.comteck.com [209.45.136.139]) by pulse.comteck.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f1C0O5r52851 for <djzinn@pa.net>; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:24:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from onale@comteck.com) Message-ID: <001c01c0948b$5d1b2940$8b882dd1@comteck.com> From: "DorisO.Sink" <onale@comteck.com> To: <djzinn@pa.net> References: <3A86E5CF.2EDC@pa.net> Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Cresent Moon Over the Outhouse Door Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:33:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Jeeves answered. "I have received lots of questions about the quarter moon seen above the door in most outhouses. The answer lies in the lighting inside because outhouses were around before electricity. The best way to let light in was to put in a window. For privacy reasons, most outhouses were designed with the window above the line of sight. Many early outhouses contained a decorative "moon cutout" covered by glass. This allowed just enough light in to take care of business! It also allowed the real moon to shine through during the night. Bringing a lit lantern into some outhouses could have caused quite a bang so the moon won out! In reality, most people had a covered pot under the bed to go in during the night. Get's mighty cold at night going outside and the varmints are something else! Here is another explanation... Probably the most recognizable symbol associated symbol with the traditional outhouse building is the familiar crescent moon carved into the privy door. Actually, the symbol is an ancient one, and was a sign for womanhood in colonial days and on the frontier. It's male counterpart, Sol, was either a star or a sun burst design also on the door. Since most male outhouses fell into disrepair rather quickly they seldom survived; while the female ones were better maintained, and were eventually used by both sexes. Although you can find outhouses still standing with the crescent moon, the original meaning for gender identification was lost by the later nineteenth century in most areas of the country. Here is another response from another person... The moon that is often found on the outhouse door stand for the ancient sign- luna- or womanhood. When the outhouse was first invented people needed these signs to discern which was the men's or women's bathroom-for most people couldn't read. Soon, however, the men's became rundown or was very unkempt and not maintained. So everybody just used the women's bathroom, and the mens sunburst or sol sign was forgotten. The moon sign was kept and is also used as a vent. Another person corrects the term "quarter moon" as follows. This person obviously knows more about the sky than I do: The first sentence states that it is a quarter moon. A quarter moon, however, is a half lit moon where the terminator is half-way between each side of the disk. It would be more accurate to refer to the moon as a crescent moon in all cases. And if you wanted to be pedantic about it you could go so far as to call it a waxing or waning crescent moon depending on which side is lit." I went to askjeeves.com and typed in the question "Why are there crescent moons on outhouse doors?" ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Heller Zinn <djzinn@pa.net> To: <PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: [PAFRANKL] Cresent Moon Over the Outhouse Door > Hello Listers: > > Thanks so much for all of the answers to my previous question/posting as > to "What is the origin and why do we cut a Cresent Moon over the > outhouse door?". > > The majority replied that it was a Cresent Moon placed on the door of > the "ladies room" while a star was placed on the door of the "gents > room". > > Thanks again for the help! > Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. > > --------------6DC239046F90--

Joseph E Wolfe Thank you for the very generous offer. Here is what I know of my Smith family. Henry Smith b. abt 1734, probably Germany, wife unknown but probably born in USA. Children: Joseph Smith, b. in PA most likely. John Smith b...abt. 1758, PA most likely, M..Nancy Beatty, b.. abt 1760, has been described as half Irish & half Yank. Mary Smith b....in PA most likely. Never married, but had dau. named Elizabeth. Elizabeth Smith b...abt 1766, married Augustus Barber Rachel Smith b..abt 1770, m..John McGahen Abraham Smith b.. in PA most likely Benjamin Smith b. abt 1765, in Pa most likely. Children of John Smith & Nancy Beatty ( above ). Joseph Smith b. 1786, in PA, most likely. Jane Smith b...abt 1788 Henry Smith b... abt 1790. Catherine Smith b...abt 1792. Daniel Smith b...abt 1798. Rachel Smith b...abt 1801, West Whitby, Upper Can. John Benjamin Smith b... West Whitby, Upper Can. ( my line ) Henry Smith and most of the children migrated to Upper Canada ( Ontario ) about 1790 as Loyalists, but not military. Henry was a land holder in the USA, but we do not know where. Old letters state probably PA. It is possible Henry and father, Joseph? arrived Philadelphia in 1754 aboard the Henrietta, but not sure. We have been unable to trace them from either end. Any help is greatfully appreciated. Mark L. McOmber McOmber@Montana.com

Here is what I found:Franklin County Will Abstracts, 1784-1826. Will Book C, p 684. Will of John Greenawalt, w/w 16 Oct 1823, w/p 19 Nov 1823. Daughters Sarah and Catherine. Exec: Philip Stoehr and son Jacob, daughter Rebecca. 4 daughters. Wit: Henry Roemer and Elizabeth Roemer. No Shatzer of any spelling variation that I could think of in the index. -----Original Message----- From: Bkhgen@aol.com <Bkhgen@aol.com> To: PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com <PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, February 11, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: [PAFRANKL] SHARTZER/GREENWALT >Hi all, >I am just about ready to give up!! I hope someone can help me. I am looking >for information on my g-g-g-grandparents: JOHN SHARTZER/SHATZER born around >1801, father might have been Conrad Shartzer who lived in Washington Twp., >Franklin Co., and SARAH GREENWALT born around 1803, father might have been >John Greenwalt who lived in Washington Twp. Franklin Co., Pa. According to >census records, but I have no proof. They were married before 1825, because >a son Philip Shartzer was born around 1825. I have been working on my fathers >family ever since he died almost 40 years ago. and I still can't get >information on them. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me on these >two families. Thank you all for your time. >Barbara >

Donna HELLER ZINN wrote Hello Fellow Listers: Does anyone know the origin and why we usually cut a Cresent Moon shape over the Outhouse Door?? Thanks... Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. -------- Hi, Donna, As a free lance writer, I usually know some trivia stuff that no one else would care to. Anyhow....re: half moons...... Here's the info I found on the "Outhouse" part of the Walton Feed (Idaho) site http://www.waltonfeed.com) . (They have a lot of old time trivia) "And now for the most ask question - What about that cutout of the moon on the door? A moon and stars were used in colonial times to designate the sex of the outhouses. Originally the moon was for women and the star was for the men. But the men's outhouse was usually in such disrepair, everyone wanted to use the women's outhouse. ...so, eventually they quit using the stars altogether." Hope that helps. Carol METZGER WILKERSON (Potter, PA native migrated to Multnomah Co. OR) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- -----Original Message----- From: Donna Heller Zinn [mailto:djzinn@pa.net] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 3:50 PM To: PAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAFRANKL] Cresent Moon over the Outhouse Door

Hi all, I am just about ready to give up!! I hope someone can help me. I am looking for information on my g-g-g-grandparents: JOHN SHARTZER/SHATZER born around 1801, father might have been Conrad Shartzer who lived in Washington Twp., Franklin Co., and SARAH GREENWALT born around 1803, father might have been John Greenwalt who lived in Washington Twp. Franklin Co., Pa. According to census records, but I have no proof. They were married before 1825, because a son Philip Shartzer was born around 1825. I have been working on my fathers family ever since he died almost 40 years ago. and I still can't get information on them. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me on these two families. Thank you all for your time. Barbara

Hello Listers: Thanks so much for all of the answers to my previous question/posting as to "What is the origin and why do we cut a Cresent Moon over the outhouse door?". The majority replied that it was a Cresent Moon placed on the door of the "ladies room" while a star was placed on the door of the "gents room". Thanks again for the help! Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA.

Hello Fellow Listers: Does anyone know the origin and why we usually cut a Cresent Moon shape over the Outhouse Door?? Thanks... Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA.

Is anyone on the Franklin County RootsWeb list related to or have any connection to my great-great-grandfather, Jacob Hammond/Hammon/Hamman and/or his parents and sibling(s)? >From the "Biographical Encyclopedia of Huntingdon, Mifflin, Juniata and Perry Counties" Pages 337-338 JACOB HAMMOND, Orbisonia, Huntingdon County, Pa. was born near Strasburg, Franklin County, PA., April 12, 1824. He is the son of PETER and SARAH HAMMOND. PETER HAMMOND, grandfather of JACOB HAMMOND, was a native of Germany, and was one of the first settlers at Hummelstown, Dauphin County, Pa. He was a farmer and at one time owned large tracts of land. He died in Dauphin County. PETER HAMMOND, the father of JACOB, enlisted in the War of 1812, and had started to join his regiment, when peace was declared. He was born in Hummelstown, Dauphin County, Pa. Here he grew up and married. Shortly after his marriage, in order to pay bail which had been forfeited, he was obliged to sell his property. He had friends in Franklin County, and thither he moved, taking his family and goods in wagons, and settled near Strasburg. While MR. HAMMOND lived in Dauphin County, he farmed, but he was a ready workman and could succeed in almost anything he undertook. After his removal to Franklin County, his occupations were varied. He died in Franklin County, about 1850, aged seventy-five. JACOB HAMMOND attended school in Franklin County until he was eleven years old, when he moved with his brother, PETER, to a farm which his brother had purchased in Cromwell Township, Huntingdon County. His mother died when he was twelve. JACOB HAMMOND remained with his brother, attending school and working on the farm until he was about fifteen, when he found employment among the farmers of Franklin and Huntingdon Counties. For several years, MR. HAMMOND rented a farm; but in 1856 he bought his present home, then a farm of 150 acres, to which he has added, until now he owns 5,000 acres. MR. HAMMOND is a self-made man, one who has always "hoed his own row." He is a member of the Republican Party, but has never sought office. In 1849, JACOB HAMMOND was married in Cromwell Township to SARAH, daughter of BENJAMIN RINKER. She died in 1862, leaving nine children: MARTIN; CALVIN; MELISSA, deceased; and SARAH. Mr. Hammond's second wife was REBECCA, daughter of WILLIAM and JANE (MARTIN [SHOULD BE WHARTON]) BOOTH. Their children are: ROBERT, deceased; JOHN; JENNIE; BELLE; RHODA; WILLIAM; HARRISON, deceased; ELLIOTT; and LOUISA. Thanks!