TO ALL I have done a complete index by subject...surname...place name etc...for all 7 FOREMAN BOOKS with permission of the family. It is available for sale if interested....it is 3 columns wide and 175 pages of material Jim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA - Seavolt I believe there are some Brewer's in this cemetery also or near there . David Brewer b. 1831 a farmer in Franklin Co. Pa -died 1883 in Mercersburg, Pa buried in Fairview cemetery ,Franklin Co. Pa -but so far have never been able to find his obit. Does anyone have this obit in there material yet. Thanks Joyce -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA - Seavolt I have the Harry Foreman books, but only a partial index. I can do some lookups.... not real fast, but I won't be available this weekend. Email me if you are interested. Gary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

I do have lists of LETTERKENNY CEMETERIES...will look up on a limited basis.... Jim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] burials on land owned by Letterkenny Army Depot I recall that someone had a list of burials in the cemetery on the Letterkenny base. I know someone had promised to send me a copy when she had a chance to send it, but I don't have her address anymore. Barb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Dear Claire: What's Your point ? Birth , Marriage and Deaths are public domain or it would not be allowed to appear in a newspaper ! Using a persons photograph is limited , I can tate a photo of any public figure "President Bush" and sell as many copies as I care to , but taking a photo of You and saying photo thaken by Me ! of Claire and using it as an advertisment of My work without Your permission would show You endorse My photography work !That is illeagle ! You must wait for 50 years after the death of a person taking a photograph to copy it legaly into a book with out that persons permission , For instance My father took a photo of His Grand-mother or My Great Grand-mother , I can not publish that photo until the 21 Aug. 2049. I feel when it comes to Family information !Family would succed the copyright of a person being mentioned in a book! Glenn E. Yeager Genealogist >From: Claire K <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: Joyce Cooper <[email protected]> >CC: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Question Re: Franklin Co. Book >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:30:24 -0400 > >Joyce Cooper wrote: > > > ...copyright issues. ...(I do not count myself an authority on this > > matter, of course.) > >After 10 years at major publishers, with daily responsibility for the >interpretation and application of the copyright law, I DO consider >myself an expert, and have to correct some misstatements by Joyce. >(This does not, however, constitute legal advice; for a specific issue >you may have, please consult a copyright attorney). > > > > ...I think most will > > agree that people are entitled to fair use of information in their >research, > > which simply means (in my opinion) that we don't rewrite whole chapters >or > > books and attach our own names to it. > >This statement confuses fair use with plagiarism. "Fair use" is not a >matter of group agreement; it is an integral part of the US copyright >law. It is a defense to a copyright infringement claim, and allows >someone to use some part of a copyrighted work without penalty. >However, the conditions under which the copyrighted work can be used >vary greatly, and must be decided -- in court -- on a case-by-case >basis. Fair use is one of the most complicated and contentious areas of >copyright law; there is no set number or percentage of words/pages that >qualifies. "Plagiarism," on the other hand, is taking someone else's >work (or ideas) and claiming them as your own (with or with rewriting). > Plagiarism is an ethical / academic issue, not a legal one; copyright >infringement is the legal equivalent. (But you can plagiarize someone >by stealing their idea -- a new interpretation of historical events, >perhaps -- without infringing their copyright (because copyright does >not protect ideas). > > > > > The CSGA says that "only the original work or presentation that is >included > > is protected by copyright law. The reality is that you can copy or print >the > > physical image of the original image and share it with others, but you > > cannot copy and share the microfilm or digital image if it is protected >by > > law. " > >I'm not sure exactly what this is saying (what "original work or >presentation" are they talking about?), but it's wrong, or at least >gives the wrong impression. If the underlying work (say, a book) is >protected by copyright, you cannot image it and print and distribute it, >in whole or in part. This is reproduction and distribution of a >copyrighted work, and is an infringement of copyright, unless it comes >under the fair use exception. If the underlying work is in the public >domain (never protected by copyright or the copyright has expired), and >you are looking at a facsimile reproduction (e.g., a reprint, CD-ROM, or >online version) and that facsimile carries a copyright notice, the >copyright is only on the new material added (e.g., an introduction, >foreword, or index) or for the digital enhancements made (e.g., to >improve legibility) (and the digital enhancement claim to copyright >might be shaky -- to my knowledge, it hasn't yet been tested in court). > If you print whatever the copyright claim is based on (e.g., the >foreword or the enhanced image), you may be infringing the copyright in >that element. (The underlying public domain work, e.g., the un-enhanced >image and the information in it, remains in the public domain). US >copyright law is extremely complicated (not to mention the difficulties >that arise is the underlying work is not a US work, and so involves >foreign copyright law issues) and I strongly urge anyone who is not an >expert to seek expert advice before making judgments about what is >permissible and what is not. > > > > "CD Roms and online services containing images of government records > > fallinto this category. You can print the image and share at will, but >you > > are not entitled to share the digital image. You may scan or take a >digital > > picture of the government record (for example) yourself and share that >image > > with anyone. You in fact hold the copyright to that image." > >US federal government records are in the public domain because the US >government has specifically (in the US copyright law) given up any claim >to copyright it may have. State and local governments in the US are not >obliged to follow suit, so it is possible that US state and local >government records might be protected by copyright; I have never seen >the issue addressed. Lest you think this is unrealistic / unlikely, it >is an issue in the UK -- the government claims copyright in court cases, >laws, BMD/census records, etc.; the UK government has recently waived >some of these rights, but only under very specific situations. (This >same issue may arise in other countries, as well, esp. those that were >previously colonies, territories, etc., of the UK). > >Technically, if a digital image is copyrighted (e.g., for the digital >enhancements that improve readability), it would be an infringement to >print and distribute a copy unless it falls under the fair use >exception. However, the CD-ROM's license or site's terms of use >agreement may allow for limited personal (or even commercial) use -- >which is a contract issue, not a copyright one. You would need to read >your license agreement / terms of use agreement to determine this, on a >case-by-case basis. > >As for making your own copyrighted image of a public domain government >document... If you scan an original public domain document (at an >archive, perhaps), and the scanner hardware and software automatically >scans and even auto-fixes the image, you have no copyright. (Copyright >only applies to the work of humans). If you manually adjust resolution, >brightness, hue, etc., you may have some claim to copyright, but it's a >pretty thin claim. (The copyright claim may not hold up in court at >all). However, if the above paragraph is saying you can print out a >copyrighted image of, say, a census form, and then take a digital photo >or scan the copyrighted image, and then freely distribute the image, and >even claim copyright on it, it is wrong. You may be able to do this if >your terms of use allow it (again, this is a contract issue, not a >copyright one), or you might be able to do it if the original image's >claim to copyright is weak or unenforceable -- but then, so would your >claim to copyright in the second-generation picture be weak or >unenforceable. If the copyright in the original image is valid and >enforceable, however, printing it and copying it digitally would be an >infringement of copyright. > > > > > My interpretation, though I am not a lawyer, of course, is that as long >as I > > share information in a manner which is not identical to the original, >and is > > limited in quantity and credited to the original source, that I am not >doing > > anything unethical. > >Whether it is unethical depends on your own moral code, or the ethical >standards common in your professional world. (Academics, for instance, >are held to a fairly high ethical standard). When dealing with >copyrighted material, making minor changes, limiting copies, and >crediting the source are NOT enough to protect you from a copyright >infringement judgment. In fact, if that's all you do (esp. the minor >changes part) with copyrighted material, then what you are proposing is >definitely illegal (and probably also unethical). > > > > Most of these records should be public domain which > > means they could be found in courthouses etc. by anyone. I think this >applys > > to most of the CDs as well. It does have a saying on some CDs which do >not > > allow sharing on lists etc. However, I do see even limited amounts >(perhaps > > reworded, or compiled in other ways) on lists. > >While it is true that many (not all) courthouse/archive documents are in >the public domain and are accessible to the public at the >archive/courthouse, the company that prepares the CD-ROM or online >database containing information from these public domain documents (or >images of the public domain documents) has the right to limit the way in >which their product is used. (Publishers of books do not have this >right; the difference is something called the "first sale doctrine" >which would apply to the book (which is sold), but not to the >CD-ROM/database (which is licensed). The publisher of a book of >compiled public domain material might have the right to prevent someone >from copying the entire book -- i.e., infringing their copyright in the >compilation -- but could not prevent someone from doing lookups or >posting the information from an individual public domain document). > >The license agreement that comes with the CD-ROM or the terms of use >agreement that comes with the subscription to an online database service >may legitimately restrict the ways in which the information from their >CD-ROM / database may be used. Posting the information in violation of >the license / terms of use would be a breach of contract, and would >allow you to be sued by the CD-ROM / database publisher. This is the >issue which the original poster (below) was raising -- not a copyright >issue, but the contract one. > >You are always free, of course, to go back to the original source at the >archives/courthouse and create your own compilation. *If* your >compilation meets the originality requirements under US copyright law, >you could even get a copyright in your new compilation. > >Hope that helps. >Claire K. > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Abby Bowman > > Date: 11/02/04 15:38:46 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Question Re: Franklin Co. Book > > > > Joyce, > > > > I must have deleted your original email regarding the book you got. I > > am just curious.....is this on a CD? If so, I was wondering if there is > > any kind of licensing agreement....i.e. you agree not to copy the > > information or distribute it or anything like that? The reason I am > > asking is because I have thought about purchasing some of the older > > books on CD, but did not know if there was any kind of copyright issues > > with regard to the CD itself, even though the book may be old and not > > under copyright any more. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Abby > > Ellicott City, MD > > > > . > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG

Hey Barb, Sorry about the Letterkenny List. I have been sick and my scanner broke down. If you send me your mailing address I will copy and mail to you USPS. Helen

Joyce, do you have Brewers in Greene Co., OH? My Millers were from the Little Cove and moved to Greene Co. OH and Brewers seemed to always be nearby, but I have never found a connection. Dave Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Brewer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA - Seavolt >I believe there are some Brewer's in this cemetery also or near there . > David Brewer b. 1831 a farmer in Franklin Co. Pa -died 1883 in > Mercersburg, > Pa buried in Fairview cemetery ,Franklin Co. Pa -but so far have never > been > able to find his obit. Does anyone have this obit in there material yet. > Thanks Joyce

Franklin Listers, Thanks to Jack Wyatt, I have a church name for the wedding I've been looking for. Are there any records available for birth/deaths/weddings for Mercersburg Presbyterian church during the 1820's? Thanks Rob Shinafelt Powell, OH ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Wyatt To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Rev. Thomas Clarkson Linda and Rob E BECAME LICENSED TO PREACH 4, APR. 1820 BY THE PRESBYTERY OF PHILADELPHIA HE WAS A PASTOR BOTH IN MCCONNELLSBURG AND IN MERCERSBURG TILL 1827 WHEN BAD HEALTH COMPELLED HIM TO RESIGN IN 1827 THOMAS'S FATHER WAS REV. JAMES CLARKSON WHO WAS BORN IN SCOTLAND IN 1738 AND THEN WAS PASTOR OF THE GUINSTON CHURCH IN YORK CO. PA., MUDDY CREEK PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. JAMES HAD A BOY ANDREW THAT WAS BAPTISED THERE 19 AUGUST 1779. JAMES HAD A WIFE WHOSE NAME WAS GRACE YOUNG THEY WERE MARRIED 23 JULY 1778 AT WIDOW YOUNGS HOME. BUT THOMAS MOTHER WAS LISTED AS CLARA IN THE BAPTISM RECORDS. this is the husband of Mary Ann Hunter. is this the right fellow Jack Wyatt Linda & Rob <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Franklin County Listers, In your genealogical travels, have you encountered Rev. Thomas Clarkson in any of the churches in Franklin County, maybe Montgomery Twp., in the 1820's. We are trying to find out what church he ministered. Thanks for your help. Rob Shinafelt ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Ann Fleming married Samuel Peter Freet. Samuel died 1869. They had one son, William E. Freet. Mary remarried Matthew Charles Sharpe. They had six children. Matthew and Mary Ann are both buried in the Fannettsburg Reform Cemetery. Samuel is buried in the Salem Cemetery. Vince ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tink Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Shockey Family > > Hi Anne, > I'm at work right now and can't access my records, but I have FREET > ancestors. They were in the Concord area, up in the peak of the > county. I remember that a gggrandfather FREET died and his wife > remarried. She was a FLEMING. I forget her name in her second > marriage but maybe it's SHOCKEY. If so, then I have names of some of > the second husband's siblings. I'll get back to you later if there is a fit. > > Tink Miller > > At 07:10 AM 9/15/06, you wrote: > >Hello Anne, > > > >There are 16 people with the name Mary Shockey in my Shockey family > >database that were born in Franklin County PA. Many of these we do > >not have the name of their spouse. Only six or seven of them were > >born early enough to fit the person you are describing if I look for > >those born 1840 or before which I picked as at random as a reasonable > >date range. > > > >I have checked all indexes for the "Shockey History and Genealogy" > >books by Ralph and Marie Shockey and there is no one with the surname > >FREET. There are a few named FREED but no Samuel and from a > >different area. In a portion of a database that Bud Roseberry has > >are some FREETHY names but the two named Samuel were born in 1643 and > >1652 which would be much too early for you and they were both in York > >County ME. > > > >Les Shockey > > > >At 07:34 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote: > > > > >Hello, > > > > > >I am searching for ANY information on the parents of Mary SHOCKEY, who > > >married Samuel FREET. They are the parents of Almeda Esther FREET > > >(1859-1931) who > > >married Harvey MILLER (1857-1922). Almeda and Harvey MILLER are > > >buried in the > > >Methodist Episcopal Church Cemetery in Upper Strasburg, Franklin County. > > > > > >I seem to recall hearing of a SHOCKEY book, possibly in the Waynesboro > > >library. I will be traveling to Pennslyvania in a few days and > > >would like to know > > >where I might go to research this family. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Anne Miller in Alabama > > > >West Virginia genealogy page: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/ > >Jackson County genealogy page: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/448 - Release Date: 9/14/2006 > >

HellO Alan ; I think it can be said "If we din't make misstakes we would NOT be humans" I think even the best computer can make mistakes ! Buy the way the double ss's and the u in by checking to see if you all noticed ! Glenn E. Yeager(yes 2 n's) Genealogist >From: "The Roll's" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]otsweb.com>, <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Sorry >Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:51:23 -0400 > >It can happen to the best of us! Thanks for the apology - and for bringing >back a special memory of my grandfather, who once wrote a note to the >family - and forgot the "o" as well! At least, we think he forgot! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alan Buckingham" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:45 PM >Subject: [PAFRANKL] Sorry > > > >I apologize for my last email - I left the "o" off of Hello and saw it as >I > > hit send - just a second too late. Again I am very sorry! > > > > Alan > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/447 - Release Date: >9/13/2006 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG

In a message dated 9/15/2006 11:50:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Dear Claire: What's Your point ? Birth , Marriage and Deaths are public domain or it would not be allowed to appear in a newspaper ! Using a persons photograph is limited , I can tate a photo of any public figure "President Bush" and sell as many copies as I care to , but taking a photo of You and saying photo thaken by Me ! of Claire and using it as an advertisment of My work without Your permission would show You endorse My photography work !That is illeagle ! You must wait for 50 years after the death of a person taking a photograph to copy it legaly into a book with out that persons permission , For instance My father took a photo of His Grand-mother or My Great Grand-mother , I can not publish that photo until the 21 Aug. 2049. I feel when it comes to Family information !Family would succed the copyright of a person being mentioned in a book! Glenn E. Yeager Genealogist Glenn- You seem interested in copyright issues and you also seem to need/want information about copyright which is beyond the scope of this list -- I'd suggest you subscribe to: [email protected] where such issues can be discussed at length. You don't "own" your family and you didn't create a photo taken by someone else. Copyright protects the rights of the author/creator. However, a photo taken by your father could be used by you if your father gives permission or, if he is no longer living, copyright may very well have passed to you as his heir. Copyright is a complicated issue and Claire has explained things very well. I'd have a minor quibble with Claire on the copyrightability of a digital image of a public domain document--such as a census image. If the image was enhanced by a special process the image is probably still not copyrightable but the process by which the image was produced could probably be patented. Joan

Joyce Cooper wrote: > ...copyright issues. ...(I do not count myself an authority on this > matter, of course.) After 10 years at major publishers, with daily responsibility for the interpretation and application of the copyright law, I DO consider myself an expert, and have to correct some misstatements by Joyce. (This does not, however, constitute legal advice; for a specific issue you may have, please consult a copyright attorney). > ...I think most will > agree that people are entitled to fair use of information in their research, > which simply means (in my opinion) that we don't rewrite whole chapters or > books and attach our own names to it. This statement confuses fair use with plagiarism. "Fair use" is not a matter of group agreement; it is an integral part of the US copyright law. It is a defense to a copyright infringement claim, and allows someone to use some part of a copyrighted work without penalty. However, the conditions under which the copyrighted work can be used vary greatly, and must be decided -- in court -- on a case-by-case basis. Fair use is one of the most complicated and contentious areas of copyright law; there is no set number or percentage of words/pages that qualifies. "Plagiarism," on the other hand, is taking someone else's work (or ideas) and claiming them as your own (with or with rewriting). Plagiarism is an ethical / academic issue, not a legal one; copyright infringement is the legal equivalent. (But you can plagiarize someone by stealing their idea -- a new interpretation of historical events, perhaps -- without infringing their copyright (because copyright does not protect ideas). > > The CSGA says that "only the original work or presentation that is included > is protected by copyright law. The reality is that you can copy or print the > physical image of the original image and share it with others, but you > cannot copy and share the microfilm or digital image if it is protected by > law. " I'm not sure exactly what this is saying (what "original work or presentation" are they talking about?), but it's wrong, or at least gives the wrong impression. If the underlying work (say, a book) is protected by copyright, you cannot image it and print and distribute it, in whole or in part. This is reproduction and distribution of a copyrighted work, and is an infringement of copyright, unless it comes under the fair use exception. If the underlying work is in the public domain (never protected by copyright or the copyright has expired), and you are looking at a facsimile reproduction (e.g., a reprint, CD-ROM, or online version) and that facsimile carries a copyright notice, the copyright is only on the new material added (e.g., an introduction, foreword, or index) or for the digital enhancements made (e.g., to improve legibility) (and the digital enhancement claim to copyright might be shaky -- to my knowledge, it hasn't yet been tested in court). If you print whatever the copyright claim is based on (e.g., the foreword or the enhanced image), you may be infringing the copyright in that element. (The underlying public domain work, e.g., the un-enhanced image and the information in it, remains in the public domain). US copyright law is extremely complicated (not to mention the difficulties that arise is the underlying work is not a US work, and so involves foreign copyright law issues) and I strongly urge anyone who is not an expert to seek expert advice before making judgments about what is permissible and what is not. > "CD Roms and online services containing images of government records > fallinto this category. You can print the image and share at will, but you > are not entitled to share the digital image. You may scan or take a digital > picture of the government record (for example) yourself and share that image > with anyone. You in fact hold the copyright to that image." US federal government records are in the public domain because the US government has specifically (in the US copyright law) given up any claim to copyright it may have. State and local governments in the US are not obliged to follow suit, so it is possible that US state and local government records might be protected by copyright; I have never seen the issue addressed. Lest you think this is unrealistic / unlikely, it is an issue in the UK -- the government claims copyright in court cases, laws, BMD/census records, etc.; the UK government has recently waived some of these rights, but only under very specific situations. (This same issue may arise in other countries, as well, esp. those that were previously colonies, territories, etc., of the UK). Technically, if a digital image is copyrighted (e.g., for the digital enhancements that improve readability), it would be an infringement to print and distribute a copy unless it falls under the fair use exception. However, the CD-ROM's license or site's terms of use agreement may allow for limited personal (or even commercial) use -- which is a contract issue, not a copyright one. You would need to read your license agreement / terms of use agreement to determine this, on a case-by-case basis. As for making your own copyrighted image of a public domain government document... If you scan an original public domain document (at an archive, perhaps), and the scanner hardware and software automatically scans and even auto-fixes the image, you have no copyright. (Copyright only applies to the work of humans). If you manually adjust resolution, brightness, hue, etc., you may have some claim to copyright, but it's a pretty thin claim. (The copyright claim may not hold up in court at all). However, if the above paragraph is saying you can print out a copyrighted image of, say, a census form, and then take a digital photo or scan the copyrighted image, and then freely distribute the image, and even claim copyright on it, it is wrong. You may be able to do this if your terms of use allow it (again, this is a contract issue, not a copyright one), or you might be able to do it if the original image's claim to copyright is weak or unenforceable -- but then, so would your claim to copyright in the second-generation picture be weak or unenforceable. If the copyright in the original image is valid and enforceable, however, printing it and copying it digitally would be an infringement of copyright. > > My interpretation, though I am not a lawyer, of course, is that as long as I > share information in a manner which is not identical to the original, and is > limited in quantity and credited to the original source, that I am not doing > anything unethical. Whether it is unethical depends on your own moral code, or the ethical standards common in your professional world. (Academics, for instance, are held to a fairly high ethical standard). When dealing with copyrighted material, making minor changes, limiting copies, and crediting the source are NOT enough to protect you from a copyright infringement judgment. In fact, if that's all you do (esp. the minor changes part) with copyrighted material, then what you are proposing is definitely illegal (and probably also unethical). > Most of these records should be public domain which > means they could be found in courthouses etc. by anyone. I think this applys > to most of the CDs as well. It does have a saying on some CDs which do not > allow sharing on lists etc. However, I do see even limited amounts (perhaps > reworded, or compiled in other ways) on lists. While it is true that many (not all) courthouse/archive documents are in the public domain and are accessible to the public at the archive/courthouse, the company that prepares the CD-ROM or online database containing information from these public domain documents (or images of the public domain documents) has the right to limit the way in which their product is used. (Publishers of books do not have this right; the difference is something called the "first sale doctrine" which would apply to the book (which is sold), but not to the CD-ROM/database (which is licensed). The publisher of a book of compiled public domain material might have the right to prevent someone from copying the entire book -- i.e., infringing their copyright in the compilation -- but could not prevent someone from doing lookups or posting the information from an individual public domain document). The license agreement that comes with the CD-ROM or the terms of use agreement that comes with the subscription to an online database service may legitimately restrict the ways in which the information from their CD-ROM / database may be used. Posting the information in violation of the license / terms of use would be a breach of contract, and would allow you to be sued by the CD-ROM / database publisher. This is the issue which the original poster (below) was raising -- not a copyright issue, but the contract one. You are always free, of course, to go back to the original source at the archives/courthouse and create your own compilation. *If* your compilation meets the originality requirements under US copyright law, you could even get a copyright in your new compilation. Hope that helps. Claire K. > -------Original Message------- > > From: Abby Bowman > Date: 11/02/04 15:38:46 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Question Re: Franklin Co. Book > > Joyce, > > I must have deleted your original email regarding the book you got. I > am just curious.....is this on a CD? If so, I was wondering if there is > any kind of licensing agreement....i.e. you agree not to copy the > information or distribute it or anything like that? The reason I am > asking is because I have thought about purchasing some of the older > books on CD, but did not know if there was any kind of copyright issues > with regard to the CD itself, even though the book may be old and not > under copyright any more. > > Thanks, > > Abby > Ellicott City, MD > > . > >

I don't know if this is any help or not but the 1789 Militia Muster Roll for Waynesboro lists 5 Shockey's, here they are: Abrham, Christan, Jacob Jacob Jr. and Vallentine. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Shockey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Shockey Family > Hello Anne, > > There are 16 people with the name Mary Shockey in my Shockey family > database that were born in Franklin County PA. Many of these we do > not have the name of their spouse. Only six or seven of them were > born early enough to fit the person you are describing if I look for > those born 1840 or before which I picked as at random as a reasonable > date range. > > I have checked all indexes for the "Shockey History and Genealogy" > books by Ralph and Marie Shockey and there is no one with the surname > FREET. There are a few named FREED but no Samuel and from a > different area. In a portion of a database that Bud Roseberry has > are some FREETHY names but the two named Samuel were born in 1643 and > 1652 which would be much too early for you and they were both in York > County ME. > > Les Shockey > > At 07:34 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote: > >>Hello, >> >>I am searching for ANY information on the parents of Mary SHOCKEY, who >>married Samuel FREET. They are the parents of Almeda Esther FREET >>(1859-1931) who >>married Harvey MILLER (1857-1922). Almeda and Harvey MILLER are >>buried in the >>Methodist Episcopal Church Cemetery in Upper Strasburg, Franklin County. >> >>I seem to recall hearing of a SHOCKEY book, possibly in the Waynesboro >>library. I will be traveling to Pennslyvania in a few days and >>would like to know >>where I might go to research this family. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Anne Miller in Alabama > > West Virginia genealogy page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/ > Jackson County genealogy page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I believe there are some Brewer's in this cemetery also or near there . David Brewer b. 1831 a farmer in Franklin Co. Pa -died 1883 in Mercersburg, Pa buried in Fairview cemetery ,Franklin Co. Pa -but so far have never been able to find his obit. Does anyone have this obit in there material yet. Thanks Joyce -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA - Seavolt I have the Harry Foreman books, but only a partial index. I can do some lookups.... not real fast, but I won't be available this weekend. Email me if you are interested. Gary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Anne, There are 16 people with the name Mary Shockey in my Shockey family database that were born in Franklin County PA. Many of these we do not have the name of their spouse. Only six or seven of them were born early enough to fit the person you are describing if I look for those born 1840 or before which I picked as at random as a reasonable date range. I have checked all indexes for the "Shockey History and Genealogy" books by Ralph and Marie Shockey and there is no one with the surname FREET. There are a few named FREED but no Samuel and from a different area. In a portion of a database that Bud Roseberry has are some FREETHY names but the two named Samuel were born in 1643 and 1652 which would be much too early for you and they were both in York County ME. Les Shockey At 07:34 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote: >Hello, > >I am searching for ANY information on the parents of Mary SHOCKEY, who >married Samuel FREET. They are the parents of Almeda Esther FREET >(1859-1931) who >married Harvey MILLER (1857-1922). Almeda and Harvey MILLER are >buried in the >Methodist Episcopal Church Cemetery in Upper Strasburg, Franklin County. > >I seem to recall hearing of a SHOCKEY book, possibly in the Waynesboro >library. I will be traveling to Pennslyvania in a few days and >would like to know >where I might go to research this family. > >Thanks, > >Anne Miller in Alabama West Virginia genealogy page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/ Jackson County genealogy page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM

Hi Anne, I'm at work right now and can't access my records, but I have FREET ancestors. They were in the Concord area, up in the peak of the county. I remember that a gggrandfather FREET died and his wife remarried. She was a FLEMING. I forget her name in her second marriage but maybe it's SHOCKEY. If so, then I have names of some of the second husband's siblings. I'll get back to you later if there is a fit. Tink Miller At 07:10 AM 9/15/06, you wrote: >Hello Anne, > >There are 16 people with the name Mary Shockey in my Shockey family >database that were born in Franklin County PA. Many of these we do >not have the name of their spouse. Only six or seven of them were >born early enough to fit the person you are describing if I look for >those born 1840 or before which I picked as at random as a reasonable >date range. > >I have checked all indexes for the "Shockey History and Genealogy" >books by Ralph and Marie Shockey and there is no one with the surname >FREET. There are a few named FREED but no Samuel and from a >different area. In a portion of a database that Bud Roseberry has >are some FREETHY names but the two named Samuel were born in 1643 and >1652 which would be much too early for you and they were both in York >County ME. > >Les Shockey > >At 07:34 AM 9/15/2006, you wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I am searching for ANY information on the parents of Mary SHOCKEY, who > >married Samuel FREET. They are the parents of Almeda Esther FREET > >(1859-1931) who > >married Harvey MILLER (1857-1922). Almeda and Harvey MILLER are > >buried in the > >Methodist Episcopal Church Cemetery in Upper Strasburg, Franklin County. > > > >I seem to recall hearing of a SHOCKEY book, possibly in the Waynesboro > >library. I will be traveling to Pennslyvania in a few days and > >would like to know > >where I might go to research this family. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Anne Miller in Alabama > >West Virginia genealogy page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgenweb/ >Jackson County genealogy page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you have access to a Maryland library card number, at least one of the Foreman books is on this site. http://www.sailor.lib.md.us

Nance: I am going to put here the information that I found on SEAVOLT....They are all from Volume 4 published in 1867 by Harry Foreman 'hISTORY OF THE LITTLE COVE". I will put the page number and then the information shown. PLEASE NOTE....I will do this in a hurry...there will be spelling mistakes....excuse them... pg 17/18 THE DIARY OF MARY DAVIS WARD 1851-1864 (my note) evidently this is a list of deaths HOUCK: Michael 6/22/1859 ...no years listed for age of death HOUCK: Catharine 5/13/1856, 47yrs SEAVOLT: Mathias 6/26/1853 72yrs pg 23 Please note that this class was a German Refomred and Lutern Group. A fact uncovered by the writer, never seemingly mentioned before is that man Hessians had settled in the upper Little Cove and along the Tuscarora near the end of the Revolutinary War. Some of the Hessians were settled early enough to serve in the Bedford County Militia. Christian SWEND (SWANK) who became a sturdy and prosperous settler of the Little Cove had been captured Christmas Eve at the Battle of Trenton by George Washington in 1776. Several of his brothers were also caputared. At least a dozen of his neighbors were eeidently of Hessian Stock. The 1805 Lists of Cojmunicants is as follow: Bernard Ford, Isaac Ford, Susanne Ford, George Ludwig, John Davis and wie, Jacob Ford and wife, Jacob Fritz, George (Free), Jhn Divilbiss and wife, Jaocb Divilbiss and wife, John Rees, CASPER SWEND, KATHLEEN SWEND, Sarah Huston....etc... The list of chldren being baptized and name of their parents in 1808 are...... .....Martin Seavolt and wife, pg 51 MILITIA ROLL OF 1863 SEAVOLT, SAMUEL 24YRS SEAVOLT, JHN 22 YRS MILLER, DENTON 18YRS MILLER GEORGE 24 YRS MILLER, ELI 21 YRS PG 61 TAX LIST OF 1846 / OWNERS SWEND: Gabriel SEAVOLT: Jacob HOUCK: Michael SWEND: Casper heirs pg 63 SINGLE MEN SEAVOLT, George pg 75 Under the name BRAGONIER: BRAGONIER: Catharine, wife of Michael HOUCK pg 115 HOUCK: The Michael Houck name figaures prominantly in teh Huston, Davis, McCulloh, Divilbiss, and other lands. One Michael HOUCK was born in 1786 and died in1858. There must have been an earlier Michael HOUCK since he purchassed the David Davis Fort site from one John Brown in 1800. Some of teh Michael HOUCH land was earlier Michael Divilbiss land. Tow of these placaes were the J. C. Funk (MYers) farm and the Pual Conner farm. Some of the HOUCK land was earliler Davis and Huston land. Michael and Susanne HOUCK sold to Jacob Myers in 1850. Catherine HOUCK was born in 1800 and died in 1856. Jacob and SUSANE HOUCK lived in the Little Cove pg 157 SEAVOLT The SEAVOLT (SEWALT) faily lived behind present Forney Ridge. Teh Martin SEAVOT place is currently part of the Etta Zimmerman land and really came off the Zimmerman land. Martin SEAVOLT was married to Martha SWEND, daughter of Casper SWEND. The SEAVOLT place was beteen the two Zimerman places and came off the SWEND farm. NOTE; Ther emay have been a Martin and Nancy SEAVOLT also; Martin SEAVOLT'S name is on the 1806 Stone Church Roll with the SWENDS. He owend 123 acres in 1823 which seems to be present Etta Zimmerman land. Two sons of Martin are mentioned, John who was born in 1849, and Samuel who was born in 1839. John and Sarah SEAVOLT and Jacob and Lydia SEAVOLT sold their land in the Little Cove to William Bowers in 1835. pg 175 SWEND FAMILY ...taking paragraphs out of it The SWEND name appeared in teh Little Cove about 1781...Christian SEND in Ayr Township Militia and Tax list. Three SWEND brothers in Little Cove Casper (Gasper) henry, and Christian (Christly). Names of Kathleen and Casper onrolls of Stone Church SWEND, Casper owned lands near the Tuscarora Mountian. ....the church of Rev. M. C. Study; ...he left money as did Henry....some descendants of Nicholas SWANK came to America but there is no trace in Little Cove A Casper SWEND place is the present Etta Zimmerman dairy farm...When Barbara Reader SWEND signed a release in 1838....Martin SEAVOLT was married to Martha SWEND, dau of Casper SWEND and the Seavolt place was taken of the SWEND TRACT Since Casper SWEND Left no issue, this Casper SWEND may have been the son of Christian SWEND. The name of Casper Swend's wie was Kathleen......Henry and Christiana owned land....Henry SWEND had a will in 4/1/1825....Christian SWEND died 1 year before brother Casper and 2years before brother Henry.... There is more material about SWENDS and transferr and buying of lands....if wanted..contact me back... The majority of the Christian SWEND childre moved to Ohio althogh some remained in Little Cove Henry SWANK of Christian married to Elizabeth STUDY, dau of Rev. Christian Study....Henry SWANK was born 1/18/1790 in Little Cove and died in Oh 4/11/1876....Elizabeth Study...b 12/18/1793 ...died 4/17/1859, mar 1814...only one child born in Loud, Pa in1815. Migrated to Ohio in 1817 and more about Gabriel SWEND / SWANK etc...not sure what you want...if it is important ask me again pg 109 Early owners of the land of Etta Zimmerman wer: Martin SEAVOLT, Casper SWEND... Hope some of this helps...excuxe typing errors.... 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Hello, I am searching for ANY information on the parents of Mary SHOCKEY, who married Samuel FREET. They are the parents of Almeda Esther FREET (1859-1931) who married Harvey MILLER (1857-1922). Almeda and Harvey MILLER are buried in the Methodist Episcopal Church Cemetery in Upper Strasburg, Franklin County. I seem to recall hearing of a SHOCKEY book, possibly in the Waynesboro library. I will be traveling to Pennslyvania in a few days and would like to know where I might go to research this family. Thanks, Anne Miller in Alabama

In a message dated 9/15/2006 12:12:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Joan, I have traced my family back to John Shetron b. abt. 1794 in PA and Catherine Kintline b. abt.1795 in PA - this according to the 1850 census. John was a blacksmith in St. Thomas twp. in Franklin CO. One daughter Anna Marie b. 1825, four sons, Peter b. 1828, William b. abt. 1840 and John and Leonard b. 1836. I found William, John and Leonard in Illinois in 1860 - 1890. Peter died in the Civil War and is buried at Antietam. Anna married James S. Johnson and stayed in Pennsylvania. I have never been able to find the father of John Shetron, so that is my stumbling block. Thanks, Gary Shedron I never researched the 3 sons of Johan Heinrich SCHEDERON but there were three sons named Leonhard, Casper, and Jacob born between 1732 and 1738. So it is quite possible that you are looking for a generation in the middle to connect to your John. There are some York County baptismal records for children of the above and one Adams County baptism at Lower Bermudian Church for a daughter of Leonhard and Maria Elisabeth SCHEDERON. So you would probably want to be looking in York and Adams counties. Joan

Hi Joan, I have traced my family back to John Shetron b. abt. 1794 in PA and Catherine Kintline b. abt.1795 in PA - this according to the 1850 census. John was a blacksmith in St. Thomas twp. in Franklin CO. One daughter Anna Marie b. 1825, four sons, Peter b. 1828, William b. abt. 1840 and John and Leonard b. 1836. I found William, John and Leonard in Illinois in 1860 - 1890. Peter died in the Civil War and is buried at Antietam. Anna married James S. Johnson and stayed in Pennsylvania. I have never been able to find the father of John Shetron, so that is my stumbling block. Thanks, Gary Shedron