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    1. [PAFRANKL] July 20, 1859 Struck by Lightning - PATTERSON
    2. Deb

    3. I found an article in the July 20, 1859 issue of the Valley Spirit describing a lightning strike in which a young son of JAMES PATTERSON was killed. The article intrigued me because I am researching the Patterson family and I believe there may be a family connection. There was no mention of the young boy's name. Only that his father was James Patterson from Roxbury. I found a James Patterson in Roxbury in the 1850 census. He is listed with his wife, Mary, and two twentysomething daughters, Betsy and Margaret, but no son is listed. In the 1860 census, there are two James Pattersons living in Upper Strasburg, but of course I have no way of knowing if either of these two are the men referenced in the 1859 article. Does anyone have any ideas of how I can figure out this young boy's name? Thanks for any help. Deb --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

    09/17/2006 04:32:58
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] Maclay
    2. GAIL THOMAS

    3. Hi Barb: Yes there is a link I recognize all these names. I don't think we are directly linked though as I think you are connected to the brother of my lines. Thinking about it though if you go back one more generation we would connect ;-) What did you want to know? Would be interested in your descent too as I am doing them all. I was getting so confused with the lines so thought it would work it all out this way and it seems to be working. Still have a lot to put in yet but starting to make more sense. One of Charles (immigrant) and one of John's (immigrant) children married each other too. It is a real tangled web. Gaile P.S. Also live in BC ----- Original Message ----- From: Barb Shave <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, September 16, 2006 10:55 pm Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Maclay > The Honorourable William MaClay was the first U.S. Senator from > Pennsylvania. He lived in Fannettsburg, Franklin Co. Perhaps > there is a > link. If so, let me know please. > > His daughter, Catherine Irwin MaClay (1799-1873) was married to > Dr. John > Peebles Geddes on 27 Apr 1825 in the Lower Path Valley > Presbyterian Church > in Franklin County by the Rev. A. A. McGinley. > > Barb in BC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 5:37 PM > Subject: PAFRANKL Digest, Vol 1, Issue 18 > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA ([email protected]) > > 2. Re: cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA (Glenn Yeager) > > 3. Cushard family name ([email protected]) > > 4. Re: My thanks to all (Dottie Summerlin) > > 5. Re: My thanks to all ([email protected]) > > 6. Re: Rev. Thomas Clarkson (bingaman) > > 7. Maclay, Culbertson and McCune Franklin Co Pa. etc. (GAIL > THOMAS)> 8. Re: Fwd: Re: cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA (GAIL > THOMAS)> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:14:23 -0400 > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Vol 9: pg 40: > > HECKMAN: Adam 12/15/1814 - 11/25/1888 > > MYERS: Catharine his wife: 11/10/1819 - 1/26/1888 > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 9:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > > > > > > In that book, do you find Adam Heckman(b.1815) or his wife, > Christina> Swiegert Heckman. > > Thanks in advance for any help!! > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:48 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > > > > I checked my index of over 145,000 burials in Franklin County....NO > > RINGS anywhere...there is RINGERbut no RING.....sorry > > Jim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 2:25 AM > > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > > > > > > If anyone could look up the following two names, I'd be much > obliged.> > > > > Andrew RING died April 1840 Mercersburg? (Montgomery county) > > > > Nancy WALKER RING died Sept 16 1863 Mercersburg. > > > > They may have attended White Church Presbyterian (Church hill, > Peters> township?) > > > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > Bonnie M. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the > > body of > > the message > > > ________________________________________________________________________> Check out the new AOL. 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Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from > across the web, > > free AOL Mail and more. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:41:37 +0000 > > From: "Glenn Yeager" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > > > Hello Jan: > > Found 94 HECKMAN's on this CD ! Found Adam HECKMAN born 15 Dec. > 1814 died > > 26 > > Nov. 1888. > > buried Etter Cemetery ! > > Glenn E. Yeager > > GENEALOGIST > > > > > > > >>From: "Jan Hanlon" <[email protected]> > >>Reply-To: [email protected] > >>To: <[email protected]> > >>Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > >>Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:15:31 -0400 > >> > >>In that book, do you find Adam Heckman(b.1815) or his wife, > Christina>>Swiegert Heckman. > >> Thanks in advance for any help!! > >> > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [email protected] > >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > >>Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:48 AM > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > >> > >>I checked my index of over 145,000 burials in Franklin County....NO > >>RINGS anywhere...there is RINGERbut no RING.....sorry > >>Jim > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [email protected] > >>To: [email protected] > >>Sent: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 2:25 AM > >>Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > >> > >> > >>If anyone could look up the following two names, I'd be much > obliged.>> > >> > >>Andrew RING died April 1840 Mercersburg? (Montgomery county) > >> > >>Nancy WALKER RING died Sept 16 1863 Mercersburg. > >> > >>They may have attended White Church Presbyterian (Church hill, > Peters>>township?) > >> > >> > >>Thanks so much! > >> > >>Bonnie M. > >> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>[email protected] > >>with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the > >>body of > >>the message > >>________________________________________________________________________ > >>Check out the new AOL. 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Get a free 90- > day trial! > > http://www.windowsonecare.com/trial.aspx?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:06:23 EDT > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: [PAFRANKL] Cushard family name > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > Is there anyone out there that knows anything about the Cushard > family? > > My > > gg grand parents were Peter Cushard b. abt 1800, d. 1889 in > Clearfield> County, and Catherine Horner. The earliest I have > found them were on the > > 1850 > > census records in Centre County. I have also found the name > spelled as > > Chushard > > and Kirshard. Someone told me that they seen the Cushard name > in > > Franklin > > County. I am hoping that someone can start this wall to tumble. > > > > Thanks for any help > > Leah > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:19:32 -0400 > > From: "Dottie Summerlin" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] My thanks to all > > To: <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > unsubscribe > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bonny Andrews" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] My thanks to all > > > > > >> Who lived on the farm near Welsh Run with the burial ground? > >> > >> Bonny > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:05 PM > >> Subject: [PAFRANKL] My thanks to all > >> > >> > >>> My heart felt thank to everybody (and there was quite a number > of you > >>> who > >>> did respond) to my inquiry about Green Hill Cemetery in Waynesboro > >>> Pennsylvania. > >>> My cousin who lives in the Chicago area and his brother will > soon be > >>> going > >>> to do some restoration on an old farm burial ground near Welsh > Run where > >> their > >>> gg grandfather has been located. > >>> He will also be going to Green Hill to search and hopefully > photograph>>> the > >>> tombstones or markers for me. > >>> > >>> Thanks again for pointing us in the right direction > >>> > >>> John L. Raymer > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:40:45 EDT > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] My thanks to all > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > Bonnie > > I don't know the name of man you are asking about at Welsh Run. > I will > > forward the information that my cousin sent to me. > > > > John L. Raymer [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > I inherited a project this summer I hope I can handle. > > (Note: My cousin is a master brick layer and stone cutter. I > know he > > will > > do justice to the project. JR) > > Found my gg grandfather's grave near Welsh Run,PA. > > His wife, also his father (an American Revolutionary > > Soldier) and consort plus brothers and sisters and > > individuals that married into the family. > > It is located on the former Stech Farm in Montgomery > > Twp. has been neglected for some 20 years, but many of > > the stones are still readable. > > > > A distant cousin and I decided to restore it, give the > > soldier a marker, cut down many trees,exterminate the > > woodchucks, clear the ground , plant grass seed set > > gravestones and rebuild the dry native stone wall that > > has fallen down around the perimeter. > > Plan on leaving, with travel trailer, the middle of > > Sept., and may stay at Cowan's Gap State Park. Taking > > brother Bob along. > > I drove out by car this summer, first time to Pa., > > stayed in Greencastle. Like that town. > > One day while searching another cemetery in Welsh Run > > a gentleman approached us, he was working on a church > > next door, he ask who we were looking for, when we > > gave the name Stech his mouth dropped and eyes opened > > wide. He made us follow him to his farm 1/2 mile down > > the road. It turned out he had restored an 1897 Steck > > Buggy and his family had married into the Steck's. > > Spent the rest of the afternoon there, taking > > pictures,going thru scrapbooks, and learning new > > names. > > The Steck's employed Blacksmith's and Wheelwrights in > > Welsh Run and turned out 40-50 wagons and buggies a > > year, which sold in MD,VA and PA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:00:59 -0400 > > From: "bingaman" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Rev. Thomas Clarkson > > To: <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > I have some early records from the Upper West Concocheague > Presbyterian > > church. Let me know what you want me to look for. > > > > Bonnie Bingaman---------- Original > > Message ---------------------------------- > > From: "Linda & Rob" <[email protected]> > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:21:03 -0400 > > > >>Franklin Listers, > >> > >>Thanks to Jack Wyatt, I have a church name for the wedding I've > been > >>looking for. Are there any records available for > birth/deaths/weddings > >>for Mercersburg Presbyterian church during the 1820's? > >>Thanks > >>Rob Shinafelt > >>Powell, OH > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Jack Wyatt > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:56 PM > >> Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Rev. Thomas Clarkson > >> > >> > >> Linda and Rob > >> E BECAME LICENSED TO PREACH 4, APR. 1820 BY THE PRESBYTERY > OF > >> PHILADELPHIA HE WAS A PASTOR BOTH IN MCCONNELLSBURG AND IN > MERCERSBURG > >> TILL 1827 WHEN BAD HEALTH COMPELLED HIM TO RESIGN IN 1827 > >> THOMAS'S FATHER WAS REV. JAMES CLARKSON WHO WAS BORN IN > SCOTLAND IN > >> 1738 AND THEN WAS PASTOR OF THE GUINSTON CHURCH IN YORK CO. > PA., MUDDY > >> CREEK PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. JAMES HAD A BOY ANDREW THAT WAS > BAPTISED THERE > >> 19 AUGUST 1779. JAMES HAD A WIFE WHOSE NAME WAS GRACE YOUNG > THEY WERE > >> MARRIED 23 JULY 1778 AT WIDOW YOUNGS HOME. BUT THOMAS MOTHER > WAS LISTED > >> AS CLARA IN THE BAPTISM RECORDS. > >> this is the husband of Mary Ann Hunter. is this the right fellow > >> Jack Wyatt > >> Linda & Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Franklin County Listers, > >> > >> In your genealogical travels, have you encountered Rev. Thomas > Clarkson > >> in any of the churches in Franklin County, maybe Montgomery > Twp., in the > >> 1820's. We are trying to find out what church he ministered. > >> > >> Thanks for your help. > >> Rob Shinafelt > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:32:54 -0700 > > From: GAIL THOMAS <[email protected]> > > Subject: [PAFRANKL] Maclay, Culbertson and McCune Franklin Co > Pa. etc. > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > Hi Nance: > > > > Well I did my best to find them but no luck. I don't have them > in my > > database and I read through the Maclays of Lurgan book and > couldn't find > > them mentioned either. I looked through the Carrol co illinois > book and > > the closest I could come was for Mackay, W. J. but his line was > from > > Scotland and no mention of anything close to Seavolt or Pa. I > will keep > > you in mind as I hunt as that Seavolt name I don't think I will > forget. I > > am descended from John Maclay of the mountain that married > Elizabeth > > Culbertson daughter of Samuel Culbertson who was the son of > Alexander > > Culbertson that was killed by the indians at Sidling Hill when > his militia > > met up with the indians that had attacked Fort McCord. I know > very little > > about my John Maclay. I descend from their daughter Eleanor > Culbertson > > that married William McCune. I also don't know much about > William McCune > > either. My Culbertsons were members of the Rocky Spring Church > and my > > Maclays i believe were members of the Middle Spring Churc > > h. So many and all named the same is so hard to figure out. > There were two > > brothers Charles and John Maclay that came to Pa from Ireland. > Charles > > Maclay's line there is a lot on but my line is John and not as > much on his > > descendents. At least I have not found much. > > > > Gaile > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Nance <[email protected]> > > Date: Friday, September 15, 2006 7:11 pm > > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > > > >> Hi Gail > >> I see you mentioned you have McClay family members from Franklin > >> Co, PA. > >> My gggrandfather, William Jacob McClay listed his birth location > >> as Greencastle. I do not know that for certain just that his > >> family came from PA. He was born about 1855. His father was > >> William (H) McClay who married Ann Seavolt. His sister Mary > >> Elizabeth was born 1854 in PA. > >> I think the elder William was in Mercerberg, Montgomery, > >> Franklin Co, PA on the 1850 census. If that is him he was in the > >> household of Ruhammah Barnhart, female, age 34; also, there was a > >> Mary McClay age 23, and Joseph McClay age 22 who was an apprentice > >> potter. I hope some of this sounds familiar as this is another of > >> my brickwalls. > >> > >> > >> Best Regard, > >> Nance > >> > >> --------------------------------- > >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL- > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:38:40 -0700 > > From: GAIL THOMAS <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Fwd: Re: cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Hi Kathy: > > > > Thank you for the information on the cemetery name. I found some > of the > > McCune burials online at: > > > > http://www.interment.net/data/us/pa/franklin/meth_episc/index.htm > > > > Methodist Episcopal Cemetery > > Franklin County, Pennsylvania > > Seminary Road, Mercersburg, Pa. > > > > I don't recognize any of the names and not in the area mine were > living as > > far as I know. There might be a connection to these McCunes so > am > > bookmarking the site. I wonder who they are... the more I know > the less I > > know ;-( > > > > Gaile > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: KATHY <[email protected]> > > Date: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:11 pm > > Subject: [PAFRANKL] Fwd: Re: cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > > > >> First Methodist Episcopal Church Cemetery Est.,1858 , but there > >> are some earlier burials there ? The list is in the book titled > >> Methodism in Mercersburg 1807-1984 > >> > >> GAIL THOMAS <[email protected]> wrote: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 > >> 16:36:35 -0700 > >> From: GAIL THOMAS <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > >> > >> Hi Kathy: > >> > >> What cemetery is this for as I have McCunes in Franklin County. My > >> problem is there are so many of them with the same names. My > >> McCunes married into the Maclay and Culbertson families. > >> Most interested in this cemetery since you said about 40% are > McCunes.>> > >> Gaile > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: KATHY > >> Date: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:51 pm > >> Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > >> > >> > Not finding any Weaver , there are lots of Illegible . > >> > This might have been the McCune Family Cemetery before the > >> > Church was there , about 40% of the names are McCune . Then > >> there > >> > is also just those who were buried with only initials , like > >> JBS, > >> > HB , GB etc,etc, etc. > >> > > >> > > >> > Kathy > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------- > >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > >> > Great rates starting at 1?/min. > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAFRANKL- > >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL- > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> Kathy > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------- > >> Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL- > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the PAFRANKL list administrator, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > > To post a message to the PAFRANKL mailing list, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject > and the body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of PAFRANKL Digest, Vol 1, Issue 18 > > *************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    09/17/2006 04:29:29
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] My thanks to all
    2. Glenn Yeager

    3. Wow ! What are the chances ? Not only finding Buggy's that were made by Your own family , But finding a gentleman that Your related to (By accident or deceased family members or by other guiding forces) (I mean God) but do't know weather it's pollitically correct to mention Him on the internet) Glenn E. Yeager Genealogist >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] My thanks to all >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:40:45 EDT > >Bonnie >I don't know the name of man you are asking about at Welsh Run. I will >forward the information that my cousin sent to me. > >John L. Raymer [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) >______________________________________________________ > > > >I inherited a project this summer I hope I can handle. >(Note: My cousin is a master brick layer and stone cutter. I know he will >do justice to the project. JR) >Found my gg grandfather's grave near Welsh Run,PA. >His wife, also his father (an American Revolutionary >Soldier) and consort plus brothers and sisters and >individuals that married into the family. >It is located on the former Stech Farm in Montgomery >Twp. has been neglected for some 20 years, but many of >the stones are still readable. > >A distant cousin and I decided to restore it, give the >soldier a marker, cut down many trees,exterminate the >woodchucks, clear the ground , plant grass seed set >gravestones and rebuild the dry native stone wall that >has fallen down around the perimeter. >Plan on leaving, with travel trailer, the middle of >Sept., and may stay at Cowan's Gap State Park. Taking >brother Bob along. >I drove out by car this summer, first time to Pa., >stayed in Greencastle. Like that town. >One day while searching another cemetery in Welsh Run >a gentleman approached us, he was working on a church >next door, he ask who we were looking for, when we >gave the name Stech his mouth dropped and eyes opened >wide. He made us follow him to his farm 1/2 mile down >the road. It turned out he had restored an 1897 Steck >Buggy and his family had married into the Steck's. >Spent the rest of the afternoon there, taking >pictures,going thru scrapbooks, and learning new >names. >The Steck's employed Blacksmith's and Wheelwrights in >Welsh Run and turned out 40-50 wagons and buggies a >year, which sold in MD,VA and PA > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx

    09/17/2006 04:20:22
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] Jacksonville, Dresslers, Otterbein cemetery locations

    3. In a message dated 9/17/2006 7:26:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: NO MESSAGE RECIEVED ! There is a known bug in the new list software that deletes (scrubs) the text in emails sent by list members using Juno/Netzero's webmail. So that is why the message came through blank. If the message could be resent using something other than Juno/Netzero's webmail it would probably get through fine. In the meantime, RootsWeb programmers are working to find and fix this bug. Joan

    09/17/2006 04:14:35
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] William IMES
    2. Tink Miller

    3. It appears that William's age is misstated on the 1860 census, causing your difficulty in searching. On the 1850 census, William IMES is listed as age 35, a laborer, born in Maryland; he is with wife Fanny age 33, son Charles age 10, and daughter Mary age 2. So William was only 45 in 1860, not 65. And Fanny was only 45 when she died in 1862. William may have remarried and even had more children. Or he may have joined the Union Army in the war. Residing in the same house in 1850 is a William Carl/Earl? age 21, with wife Mary age 20 and daughter Mary 9 mos old. Fannie and Mary are both from Virginia and are likely sisters. Next door, just as you described, is brother John Imes age 34 and wife Elizabeth also 34 and from Virginia (another sister?). Children are David 10, Mary B. 8, James 6, Esau 4, Caroline 3 and John 1. John is a farmer owning land valued at $800, so brother William and Wm Carl may have worked for him as laborers. Of all the children in the three families, only John's oldest son David had attended school in the past year. On the next page of the 1850 census, just a few homes away, we find another black IMES family - John IMES, age 77 and Susan age 57 (wife?) and Eliza 15 (daughter?). John and Susan are also born in Maryland. My guess would be that this is possibly the father and mother of William and John since all are from Maryland, the ages work, and all are living close together. James Imes, son of John and Elizabeth, was born 1842 in Chambersburg, Franklin Co. Died 5 April 1895, in Carlisle, PA. Married Jane Strange, 22 Oct 1891, in Carlisle. Also in 1860, Esau (Eseau), son of John and Elizabeth, is living with a family named White, in Antrim Township, Greencastle, Franklin Co. They live on a farm valued at almost than $9,000, so Eseau is probably a laborer on the farm, though no occupation is listed. He is described as mulatto. By 1880 he is living in Mississippi, teaching and single, boarding with a family named Ingraham. He married their eldest daughter Catherine Ingraham, 16 June 1883. He was born Oct 1845, Chambersburg, PA; died 8 Nov 1907, Byhalia, MS., son of John and Elizabeth Imes. He applied for disability pension for his Civil War service in MS., 27 Oct 1891. Catherine applied for widow's pension at 11 Dec. 1904. Children: Son, Edward Houston Imes, born 24 Nov 1895; died 27b Nov, 1976. Married Frances ??, date unknown. Daughter - Carrie Anna Imes, b. 10 March 1893, Memphis, TN; d. Aug 1992(?), Memphis; spouse Henry Langford. Caroline Imes, d/o John and Elizabeth, went to Kentucky. Born 1847, in Franklin Co. Died 1896 in Harrodsburg, Mercer Co., KY. Married Peter Johnson, 1875 in Harrodsburg. Mary B Imes, d/o John and Elizabeth, born Chambersburg, 1842. No other info. David, son of John and Elizabeth, born Chambersburg 1840; married Emmaline ?. There was a John Imes who served in the Union Colored Infantry, Co. H, 41st Unit, during Civil War. Don't know if it is the same John Imes. In Feb, 1887, John Imes (I'iames) widow "Eliza E." applied for Civil War pension, in Missouri. Eliza could be Elizabeth. IN Oct. 1891, William Imes (I'iames) applied for disability pension as civil war vet in Missouri. No widow or dependent listed. Co E, 60th MO Infantry (?). In 1860 census, I believe there is an error on William's age. He was 45, not 65 as listed. Fanny is 41. The oldest son, Charles, has left the house. A younger son, William, was born in 1851 is now in the house with Mary age 14 and Margaret age 5. Perhaps they purposely gave a wrong age for William to protect him from civil war service? There is a William IMES, African American on 1880 census: Fayetteville, Franklin, Pennsylvania, enum. dist 96, pg 41 He is age 40, born in Pennsylvania. However, Father's and Mother's birthplace is given as PA, which does not fit your William and Fanny, but I think it may be their son. This William is a Farm Labor, Married, and cannot read/write. The Household Members are Mary, age 30 (spouse), and daughters Mary age 17 and Maggie age 13. It's interesting that the two daughters names are same as daughters of Wm IMES that you are researching. Could be sign of a family naming pattern. Several of the neighboring families of this William of 1880 census are also African Amercan, on pgs 41 and 42. The men are farmers and the women are "keeping house". Sunames are Butler, Keyes, Hunter, Hall, Brown, Burse, Dradon, Pickens, Seane, Ramer. (I may have misread some handwriting on a couple of these). Perhaps if you study the names of the wives in those families you will find possible matches for the IMES female children of William or John. I would check land records and estates/wills to see what happened to John's land when he died, and maybe Orphan's court records to see who took guardianship of the younger children. Who witnessed the documents? Who received an inheritance? If there are death or burial records, that may reveal a lot of info. Look for all the collateral info about the two children of John that you do have info on - school graduation, marriage, death, land/tax records, etc. Also newspaper items. Sometimes family members are named as guests attending a family event. I culled this information from Ancestry census records and civil war pension records, and their list of World Family Trees. Hope that will give you some ideas for further research as you collect the documentation. Tink Miller At 08:10 PM 9/16/06, you wrote: >Requesting look-up for William IMES, an African-American, who at the >time of the 1860 Census was 65 years old, lived in Mercersburg, >Montgomery Twp, Franklin County, with his wife, Fannie (age 61), three >children: Margaret (age 5), Mary (age 14) and William (age 9) and >another relative, Henry IMES (age 38). > >The family seems to have vanished after 1860, except we were able to >find the wife, Fannie IMES, in the records of a Dietrich Funeral Home, >Greencastle, PA, that were on file in the Franklin County Historical >Society, listing her death in 1862 with the notation, "Mrs. Imes was >wife of William near this place." Thus, William was alive in 1862. > >Ten years earlier, at the time of the 1850 Census, the family lived two >doors from William's brother, John IMES, his wife, Elizabeth, and >children: David (age 10), Mary (age 8), James (age 6), Esau (age 4), >Caroline (age 3) and John (age 1). Tragically, the parents, John and >Elizabeth IMES, both died in 1854-1855 and left seven orphaned children >who most likely were taken in my neighbors. Two eventually made their >way to Oberlin College, became teachers, and subsequently settled in >Mississippi (Esau) and Kansas (Caroline). We have never been able to >discover what happened to William IMES or John IMES' 4 children or >William's 3 children. > >Would appreciate any look-ups for William IMES (1815- after 1862) and >the children by this list and/or suggestions for additional research. > > >Many thanks, > >Carol >Phila., PA > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    09/16/2006 09:46:25
    1. [PAFRANKL] William IMES
    2. Carol Black

    3. Requesting look-up for William IMES, an African-American, who at the time of the 1860 Census was 65 years old, lived in Mercersburg, Montgomery Twp, Franklin County, with his wife, Fannie (age 61), three children: Margaret (age 5), Mary (age 14) and William (age 9) and another relative, Henry IMES (age 38). The family seems to have vanished after 1860, except we were able to find the wife, Fannie IMES, in the records of a Dietrich Funeral Home, Greencastle, PA, that were on file in the Franklin County Historical Society, listing her death in 1862 with the notation, "Mrs. Imes was wife of William near this place." Thus, William was alive in 1862. Ten years earlier, at the time of the 1850 Census, the family lived two doors from William's brother, John IMES, his wife, Elizabeth, and children: David (age 10), Mary (age 8), James (age 6), Esau (age 4), Caroline (age 3) and John (age 1). Tragically, the parents, John and Elizabeth IMES, both died in 1854-1855 and left seven orphaned children who most likely were taken in my neighbors. Two eventually made their way to Oberlin College, became teachers, and subsequently settled in Mississippi (Esau) and Kansas (Caroline). We have never been able to discover what happened to William IMES or John IMES' 4 children or William's 3 children. Would appreciate any look-ups for William IMES (1815- after 1862) and the children by this list and/or suggestions for additional research. Many thanks, Carol Phila., PA

    09/16/2006 05:10:38
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] Maclay
    2. Barb Shave

    3. The Honorourable William MaClay was the first U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania. He lived in Fannettsburg, Franklin Co. Perhaps there is a link. If so, let me know please. His daughter, Catherine Irwin MaClay (1799-1873) was married to Dr. John Peebles Geddes on 27 Apr 1825 in the Lower Path Valley Presbyterian Church in Franklin County by the Rev. A. A. McGinley. Barb in BC ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: PAFRANKL Digest, Vol 1, Issue 18 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA ([email protected]) > 2. Re: cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA (Glenn Yeager) > 3. Cushard family name ([email protected]) > 4. Re: My thanks to all (Dottie Summerlin) > 5. Re: My thanks to all ([email protected]) > 6. Re: Rev. Thomas Clarkson (bingaman) > 7. Maclay, Culbertson and McCune Franklin Co Pa. etc. (GAIL THOMAS) > 8. Re: Fwd: Re: cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA (GAIL THOMAS) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:14:23 -0400 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Vol 9: pg 40: > HECKMAN: Adam 12/15/1814 - 11/25/1888 > MYERS: Catharine his wife: 11/10/1819 - 1/26/1888 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > > > In that book, do you find Adam Heckman(b.1815) or his wife, Christina > Swiegert Heckman. > Thanks in advance for any help!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > > I checked my index of over 145,000 burials in Franklin County....NO > RINGS anywhere...there is RINGERbut no RING.....sorry > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 2:25 AM > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > > > If anyone could look up the following two names, I'd be much obliged. > > > Andrew RING died April 1840 Mercersburg? (Montgomery county) > > Nancy WALKER RING died Sept 16 1863 Mercersburg. > > They may have attended White Church Presbyterian (Church hill, Peters > township?) > > > Thanks so much! > > Bonnie M. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:41:37 +0000 > From: "Glenn Yeager" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Hello Jan: > Found 94 HECKMAN's on this CD ! Found Adam HECKMAN born 15 Dec. 1814 died > 26 > Nov. 1888. > buried Etter Cemetery ! > Glenn E. Yeager > GENEALOGIST > > > >>From: "Jan Hanlon" <[email protected]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA >>Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:15:31 -0400 >> >>In that book, do you find Adam Heckman(b.1815) or his wife, Christina >>Swiegert Heckman. >> Thanks in advance for any help!! >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] >>Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:48 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA >> >>I checked my index of over 145,000 burials in Franklin County....NO >>RINGS anywhere...there is RINGERbut no RING.....sorry >>Jim >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 2:25 AM >>Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA >> >> >>If anyone could look up the following two names, I'd be much obliged. >> >> >>Andrew RING died April 1840 Mercersburg? (Montgomery county) >> >>Nancy WALKER RING died Sept 16 1863 Mercersburg. >> >>They may have attended White Church Presbyterian (Church hill, Peters >>township?) >> >> >>Thanks so much! >> >>Bonnie M. >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] >>with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>body of >>the message >>________________________________________________________________________ >>Check out the new AOL. 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Get a free 90-day trial! > http://www.windowsonecare.com/trial.aspx?sc_cid=msn_hotmail > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:06:23 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [PAFRANKL] Cushard family name > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Is there anyone out there that knows anything about the Cushard family? > My > gg grand parents were Peter Cushard b. abt 1800, d. 1889 in Clearfield > County, and Catherine Horner. The earliest I have found them were on the > 1850 > census records in Centre County. I have also found the name spelled as > Chushard > and Kirshard. Someone told me that they seen the Cushard name in > Franklin > County. I am hoping that someone can start this wall to tumble. > > Thanks for any help > Leah > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:19:32 -0400 > From: "Dottie Summerlin" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] My thanks to all > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > unsubscribe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bonny Andrews" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] My thanks to all > > >> Who lived on the farm near Welsh Run with the burial ground? >> >> Bonny >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:05 PM >> Subject: [PAFRANKL] My thanks to all >> >> >>> My heart felt thank to everybody (and there was quite a number of you >>> who >>> did respond) to my inquiry about Green Hill Cemetery in Waynesboro >>> Pennsylvania. >>> My cousin who lives in the Chicago area and his brother will soon be >>> going >>> to do some restoration on an old farm burial ground near Welsh Run where >> their >>> gg grandfather has been located. >>> He will also be going to Green Hill to search and hopefully photograph >>> the >>> tombstones or markers for me. >>> >>> Thanks again for pointing us in the right direction >>> >>> John L. Raymer >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:40:45 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] My thanks to all > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Bonnie > I don't know the name of man you are asking about at Welsh Run. I will > forward the information that my cousin sent to me. > > John L. Raymer [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > ______________________________________________________ > > > > I inherited a project this summer I hope I can handle. > (Note: My cousin is a master brick layer and stone cutter. I know he > will > do justice to the project. JR) > Found my gg grandfather's grave near Welsh Run,PA. > His wife, also his father (an American Revolutionary > Soldier) and consort plus brothers and sisters and > individuals that married into the family. > It is located on the former Stech Farm in Montgomery > Twp. has been neglected for some 20 years, but many of > the stones are still readable. > > A distant cousin and I decided to restore it, give the > soldier a marker, cut down many trees,exterminate the > woodchucks, clear the ground , plant grass seed set > gravestones and rebuild the dry native stone wall that > has fallen down around the perimeter. > Plan on leaving, with travel trailer, the middle of > Sept., and may stay at Cowan's Gap State Park. Taking > brother Bob along. > I drove out by car this summer, first time to Pa., > stayed in Greencastle. Like that town. > One day while searching another cemetery in Welsh Run > a gentleman approached us, he was working on a church > next door, he ask who we were looking for, when we > gave the name Stech his mouth dropped and eyes opened > wide. He made us follow him to his farm 1/2 mile down > the road. It turned out he had restored an 1897 Steck > Buggy and his family had married into the Steck's. > Spent the rest of the afternoon there, taking > pictures,going thru scrapbooks, and learning new > names. > The Steck's employed Blacksmith's and Wheelwrights in > Welsh Run and turned out 40-50 wagons and buggies a > year, which sold in MD,VA and PA > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:00:59 -0400 > From: "bingaman" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Rev. Thomas Clarkson > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have some early records from the Upper West Concocheague Presbyterian > church. Let me know what you want me to look for. > > Bonnie Bingaman---------- Original > Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Linda & Rob" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:21:03 -0400 > >>Franklin Listers, >> >>Thanks to Jack Wyatt, I have a church name for the wedding I've been >>looking for. Are there any records available for birth/deaths/weddings >>for Mercersburg Presbyterian church during the 1820's? >>Thanks >>Rob Shinafelt >>Powell, OH >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jack Wyatt >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Rev. Thomas Clarkson >> >> >> Linda and Rob >> E BECAME LICENSED TO PREACH 4, APR. 1820 BY THE PRESBYTERY OF >> PHILADELPHIA HE WAS A PASTOR BOTH IN MCCONNELLSBURG AND IN MERCERSBURG >> TILL 1827 WHEN BAD HEALTH COMPELLED HIM TO RESIGN IN 1827 >> THOMAS'S FATHER WAS REV. JAMES CLARKSON WHO WAS BORN IN SCOTLAND IN >> 1738 AND THEN WAS PASTOR OF THE GUINSTON CHURCH IN YORK CO. PA., MUDDY >> CREEK PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. JAMES HAD A BOY ANDREW THAT WAS BAPTISED THERE >> 19 AUGUST 1779. JAMES HAD A WIFE WHOSE NAME WAS GRACE YOUNG THEY WERE >> MARRIED 23 JULY 1778 AT WIDOW YOUNGS HOME. BUT THOMAS MOTHER WAS LISTED >> AS CLARA IN THE BAPTISM RECORDS. >> this is the husband of Mary Ann Hunter. is this the right fellow >> Jack Wyatt >> Linda & Rob <[email protected]> wrote: >> Dear Franklin County Listers, >> >> In your genealogical travels, have you encountered Rev. Thomas Clarkson >> in any of the churches in Franklin County, maybe Montgomery Twp., in the >> 1820's. We are trying to find out what church he ministered. >> >> Thanks for your help. >> Rob Shinafelt >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:32:54 -0700 > From: GAIL THOMAS <[email protected]> > Subject: [PAFRANKL] Maclay, Culbertson and McCune Franklin Co Pa. etc. > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Nance: > > Well I did my best to find them but no luck. I don't have them in my > database and I read through the Maclays of Lurgan book and couldn't find > them mentioned either. I looked through the Carrol co illinois book and > the closest I could come was for Mackay, W. J. but his line was from > Scotland and no mention of anything close to Seavolt or Pa. I will keep > you in mind as I hunt as that Seavolt name I don't think I will forget. I > am descended from John Maclay of the mountain that married Elizabeth > Culbertson daughter of Samuel Culbertson who was the son of Alexander > Culbertson that was killed by the indians at Sidling Hill when his militia > met up with the indians that had attacked Fort McCord. I know very little > about my John Maclay. I descend from their daughter Eleanor Culbertson > that married William McCune. I also don't know much about William McCune > either. My Culbertsons were members of the Rocky Spring Church and my > Maclays i believe were members of the Middle Spring Churc > h. So many and all named the same is so hard to figure out. There were two > brothers Charles and John Maclay that came to Pa from Ireland. Charles > Maclay's line there is a lot on but my line is John and not as much on his > descendents. At least I have not found much. > > Gaile > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nance <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, September 15, 2006 7:11 pm > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > >> Hi Gail >> I see you mentioned you have McClay family members from Franklin >> Co, PA. >> My gggrandfather, William Jacob McClay listed his birth location >> as Greencastle. I do not know that for certain just that his >> family came from PA. He was born about 1855. His father was >> William (H) McClay who married Ann Seavolt. His sister Mary >> Elizabeth was born 1854 in PA. >> I think the elder William was in Mercerberg, Montgomery, >> Franklin Co, PA on the 1850 census. If that is him he was in the >> household of Ruhammah Barnhart, female, age 34; also, there was a >> Mary McClay age 23, and Joseph McClay age 22 who was an apprentice >> potter. I hope some of this sounds familiar as this is another of >> my brickwalls. >> >> >> Best Regard, >> Nance >> >> --------------------------------- >> Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL- >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:38:40 -0700 > From: GAIL THOMAS <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Fwd: Re: cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Kathy: > > Thank you for the information on the cemetery name. I found some of the > McCune burials online at: > > http://www.interment.net/data/us/pa/franklin/meth_episc/index.htm > > Methodist Episcopal Cemetery > Franklin County, Pennsylvania > Seminary Road, Mercersburg, Pa. > > I don't recognize any of the names and not in the area mine were living as > far as I know. There might be a connection to these McCunes so am > bookmarking the site. I wonder who they are... the more I know the less I > know ;-( > > Gaile > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: KATHY <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:11 pm > Subject: [PAFRANKL] Fwd: Re: cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > >> First Methodist Episcopal Church Cemetery Est.,1858 , but there >> are some earlier burials there ? The list is in the book titled >> Methodism in Mercersburg 1807-1984 >> >> GAIL THOMAS <[email protected]> wrote: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 >> 16:36:35 -0700 >> From: GAIL THOMAS <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA >> >> Hi Kathy: >> >> What cemetery is this for as I have McCunes in Franklin County. My >> problem is there are so many of them with the same names. My >> McCunes married into the Maclay and Culbertson families. >> Most interested in this cemetery since you said about 40% are McCunes. >> >> Gaile >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: KATHY >> Date: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:51 pm >> Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA >> >> > Not finding any Weaver , there are lots of Illegible . >> > This might have been the McCune Family Cemetery before the >> > Church was there , about 40% of the names are McCune . Then >> there >> > is also just those who were buried with only initials , like >> JBS, >> > HB , GB etc,etc, etc. >> > >> > >> > Kathy >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------- >> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! 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    09/16/2006 04:55:43
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] Maclay, Culbertson and McCune Franklin Co Pa. etc.
    2. Nance

    3. Dear Gail Thanks for your effort. I have spent all day tracking all the McClay/Maclay names of Franklin Co, PA. I do not find where my William fit in but I suspect that he does. It seems that all in that area were related from the John and Charles you mentioned. I also found a website on the history of Franklin Co and it seems that because of the politics of Britian that protestant Scots were sent to Ireland. Then from later strife they left Ireland for PA. This seems to fit the Maclay of Franklin Co and possibly my great grandfather who looked more Scottish then Irish. I still have not found how the 1850 household of Ruhannah Barnhart with William, Mary and Joseph McClay fit with the McClays of Franklin Co. I suspect that Ruhannah could have been an older sister of the McClays, married and widowed but still no facts to support this. Yet, it is really the only William McClay in Pa that seems to fit my ancestor. Since Ann Seavolt was living in Montgomery Co in 1850 also and William and Ann were married by 1854 it would make sense. Best Regard, Nance --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com

    09/16/2006 03:22:51
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] Rev. Thomas Clarkson
    2. bingaman

    3. I have some early records from the Upper West Concocheague Presbyterian church. Let me know what you want me to look for. Bonnie Bingaman---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Linda & Rob" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:21:03 -0400 >Franklin Listers, > >Thanks to Jack Wyatt, I have a church name for the wedding I've been looking for. Are there any records available for birth/deaths/weddings for Mercersburg Presbyterian church during the 1820's? >Thanks >Rob Shinafelt >Powell, OH > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jack Wyatt > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Rev. Thomas Clarkson > > > Linda and Rob > E BECAME LICENSED TO PREACH 4, APR. 1820 BY THE PRESBYTERY OF PHILADELPHIA HE WAS A PASTOR BOTH IN MCCONNELLSBURG AND IN MERCERSBURG TILL 1827 WHEN BAD HEALTH COMPELLED HIM TO RESIGN IN 1827 > THOMAS'S FATHER WAS REV. JAMES CLARKSON WHO WAS BORN IN SCOTLAND IN 1738 AND THEN WAS PASTOR OF THE GUINSTON CHURCH IN YORK CO. PA., MUDDY CREEK PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. JAMES HAD A BOY ANDREW THAT WAS BAPTISED THERE 19 AUGUST 1779. JAMES HAD A WIFE WHOSE NAME WAS GRACE YOUNG THEY WERE MARRIED 23 JULY 1778 AT WIDOW YOUNGS HOME. BUT THOMAS MOTHER WAS LISTED AS CLARA IN THE BAPTISM RECORDS. > this is the husband of Mary Ann Hunter. is this the right fellow > Jack Wyatt > Linda & Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Franklin County Listers, > > In your genealogical travels, have you encountered Rev. Thomas Clarkson in any of the churches in Franklin County, maybe Montgomery Twp., in the 1820's. We are trying to find out what church he ministered. > > Thanks for your help. > Rob Shinafelt > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    09/16/2006 02:00:59
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] Fwd: Re: cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA
    2. GAIL THOMAS

    3. Hi Kathy: Thank you for the information on the cemetery name. I found some of the McCune burials online at: http://www.interment.net/data/us/pa/franklin/meth_episc/index.htm Methodist Episcopal Cemetery Franklin County, Pennsylvania Seminary Road, Mercersburg, Pa. I don't recognize any of the names and not in the area mine were living as far as I know. There might be a connection to these McCunes so am bookmarking the site. I wonder who they are... the more I know the less I know ;-( Gaile ----- Original Message ----- From: KATHY <[email protected]> Date: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:11 pm Subject: [PAFRANKL] Fwd: Re: cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > First Methodist Episcopal Church Cemetery Est.,1858 , but there > are some earlier burials there ? The list is in the book titled > Methodism in Mercersburg 1807-1984 > > GAIL THOMAS <[email protected]> wrote: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 > 16:36:35 -0700 > From: GAIL THOMAS <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > > Hi Kathy: > > What cemetery is this for as I have McCunes in Franklin County. My > problem is there are so many of them with the same names. My > McCunes married into the Maclay and Culbertson families. > Most interested in this cemetery since you said about 40% are McCunes. > > Gaile > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: KATHY > Date: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:51 pm > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > > > Not finding any Weaver , there are lots of Illegible . > > This might have been the McCune Family Cemetery before the > > Church was there , about 40% of the names are McCune . Then > there > > is also just those who were buried with only initials , like > JBS, > > HB , GB etc,etc, etc. > > > > > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > > Great rates starting at 1�/min. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL- > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Kathy > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    09/16/2006 01:38:40
    1. [PAFRANKL] Maclay, Culbertson and McCune Franklin Co Pa. etc.
    2. GAIL THOMAS

    3. Hi Nance: Well I did my best to find them but no luck. I don't have them in my database and I read through the Maclays of Lurgan book and couldn't find them mentioned either. I looked through the Carrol co illinois book and the closest I could come was for Mackay, W. J. but his line was from Scotland and no mention of anything close to Seavolt or Pa. I will keep you in mind as I hunt as that Seavolt name I don't think I will forget. I am descended from John Maclay of the mountain that married Elizabeth Culbertson daughter of Samuel Culbertson who was the son of Alexander Culbertson that was killed by the indians at Sidling Hill when his militia met up with the indians that had attacked Fort McCord. I know very little about my John Maclay. I descend from their daughter Eleanor Culbertson that married William McCune. I also don't know much about William McCune either. My Culbertsons were members of the Rocky Spring Church and my Maclays i believe were members of the Middle Spring Churc h. So many and all named the same is so hard to figure out. There were two brothers Charles and John Maclay that came to Pa from Ireland. Charles Maclay's line there is a lot on but my line is John and not as much on his descendents. At least I have not found much. Gaile ----- Original Message ----- From: Nance <[email protected]> Date: Friday, September 15, 2006 7:11 pm Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > Hi Gail > I see you mentioned you have McClay family members from Franklin > Co, PA. > My gggrandfather, William Jacob McClay listed his birth location > as Greencastle. I do not know that for certain just that his > family came from PA. He was born about 1855. His father was > William (H) McClay who married Ann Seavolt. His sister Mary > Elizabeth was born 1854 in PA. > I think the elder William was in Mercerberg, Montgomery, > Franklin Co, PA on the 1850 census. If that is him he was in the > household of Ruhammah Barnhart, female, age 34; also, there was a > Mary McClay age 23, and Joseph McClay age 22 who was an apprentice > potter. I hope some of this sounds familiar as this is another of > my brickwalls. > > > Best Regard, > Nance > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAFRANKL- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    09/16/2006 01:32:54
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA
    2. Glenn Yeager

    3. Hello Jan: Found 94 HECKMAN's on this CD ! Found Adam HECKMAN born 15 Dec. 1814 died 26 Nov. 1888. buried Etter Cemetery ! Glenn E. Yeager GENEALOGIST >From: "Jan Hanlon" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA >Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:15:31 -0400 > >In that book, do you find Adam Heckman(b.1815) or his wife, Christina >Swiegert Heckman. > Thanks in advance for any help!! > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] >Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:48 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > >I checked my index of over 145,000 burials in Franklin County....NO >RINGS anywhere...there is RINGERbut no RING.....sorry >Jim > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 2:25 AM >Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA > > >If anyone could look up the following two names, I'd be much obliged. > > >Andrew RING died April 1840 Mercersburg? (Montgomery county) > >Nancy WALKER RING died Sept 16 1863 Mercersburg. > >They may have attended White Church Presbyterian (Church hill, Peters >township?) > > >Thanks so much! > >Bonnie M. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >body of >the message >________________________________________________________________________ >Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and >security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from >across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://www.windowsonecare.com/trial.aspx?sc_cid=msn_hotmail

    09/16/2006 09:41:37
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] My thanks to all

    3. Bonnie I don't know the name of man you are asking about at Welsh Run. I will forward the information that my cousin sent to me. John L. Raymer [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) ______________________________________________________ I inherited a project this summer I hope I can handle. (Note: My cousin is a master brick layer and stone cutter. I know he will do justice to the project. JR) Found my gg grandfather's grave near Welsh Run,PA. His wife, also his father (an American Revolutionary Soldier) and consort plus brothers and sisters and individuals that married into the family. It is located on the former Stech Farm in Montgomery Twp. has been neglected for some 20 years, but many of the stones are still readable. A distant cousin and I decided to restore it, give the soldier a marker, cut down many trees,exterminate the woodchucks, clear the ground , plant grass seed set gravestones and rebuild the dry native stone wall that has fallen down around the perimeter. Plan on leaving, with travel trailer, the middle of Sept., and may stay at Cowan's Gap State Park. Taking brother Bob along. I drove out by car this summer, first time to Pa., stayed in Greencastle. Like that town. One day while searching another cemetery in Welsh Run a gentleman approached us, he was working on a church next door, he ask who we were looking for, when we gave the name Stech his mouth dropped and eyes opened wide. He made us follow him to his farm 1/2 mile down the road. It turned out he had restored an 1897 Steck Buggy and his family had married into the Steck's. Spent the rest of the afternoon there, taking pictures,going thru scrapbooks, and learning new names. The Steck's employed Blacksmith's and Wheelwrights in Welsh Run and turned out 40-50 wagons and buggies a year, which sold in MD,VA and PA

    09/16/2006 08:40:45
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] My thanks to all
    2. Dottie Summerlin

    3. unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonny Andrews" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] My thanks to all > Who lived on the farm near Welsh Run with the burial ground? > > Bonny > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:05 PM > Subject: [PAFRANKL] My thanks to all > > >> My heart felt thank to everybody (and there was quite a number of you who >> did respond) to my inquiry about Green Hill Cemetery in Waynesboro >> Pennsylvania. >> My cousin who lives in the Chicago area and his brother will soon be >> going >> to do some restoration on an old farm burial ground near Welsh Run where > their >> gg grandfather has been located. >> He will also be going to Green Hill to search and hopefully photograph >> the >> tombstones or markers for me. >> >> Thanks again for pointing us in the right direction >> >> John L. Raymer >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    09/16/2006 07:19:32
    1. [PAFRANKL] Cushard family name

    3. Is there anyone out there that knows anything about the Cushard family? My gg grand parents were Peter Cushard b. abt 1800, d. 1889 in Clearfield County, and Catherine Horner. The earliest I have found them were on the 1850 census records in Centre County. I have also found the name spelled as Chushard and Kirshard. Someone told me that they seen the Cushard name in Franklin County. I am hoping that someone can start this wall to tumble. Thanks for any help Leah

    09/16/2006 06:06:23
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA

    3. Vol 9: pg 40: HECKMAN: Adam 12/15/1814 - 11/25/1888 MYERS: Catharine his wife: 11/10/1819 - 1/26/1888 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA In that book, do you find Adam Heckman(b.1815) or his wife, Christina Swiegert Heckman. Thanks in advance for any help!! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA I checked my index of over 145,000 burials in Franklin County....NO RINGS anywhere...there is RINGERbut no RING.....sorry Jim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA If anyone could look up the following two names, I'd be much obliged. Andrew RING died April 1840 Mercersburg? (Montgomery county) Nancy WALKER RING died Sept 16 1863 Mercersburg. They may have attended White Church Presbyterian (Church hill, Peters township?) Thanks so much! Bonnie M. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

    09/16/2006 05:14:23
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA
    2. Jan Hanlon

    3. In that book, do you find Adam Heckman(b.1815) or his wife, Christina Swiegert Heckman. Thanks in advance for any help!! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA I checked my index of over 145,000 burials in Franklin County....NO RINGS anywhere...there is RINGERbut no RING.....sorry Jim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] cemetery lookup Franklin Co, PA If anyone could look up the following two names, I'd be much obliged. Andrew RING died April 1840 Mercersburg? (Montgomery county) Nancy WALKER RING died Sept 16 1863 Mercersburg. They may have attended White Church Presbyterian (Church hill, Peters township?) Thanks so much! Bonnie M. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    09/16/2006 03:15:31
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] Question Re: Franklin Co. Book
    2. Kathy

    3. To anyone that can assist in direction for solving my brickwall, I would greatly appreciate the help. I live in Florida and am unable to travel to Pennsylvania--though I did have the opportunity to travel there once a few years back... I'm looking for the parents of my gggg grandfather Johannes Gruber and when and where this family came into America. I have extensive data and information on both Johannes and Peter's descendent's and am looking for their ancestors. THANKING YOU ALL IN ADVANCE FOR ANY HELP THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE! SINCERELY, KATHY 1. UNKNOWN1 He married UNKNOWN. Children of UNKNOWN and UNKNOWN are: 2. i. HENRICH2 GRUBER, ** 3. ii. JOHANNES GRUBER, born about 1772; died 1803, Franklin County, Pennsylvania. 4. iii. PETER GRUBER, born about 1776; died about March 1819, Franklin County, Pennsylvania. ** I'm not sure if Henrich is actually John and Peter's brother or possibly father. I just listed there because he does show up in the church records with them. Will indicates that John and Peter were brothers. Henrich may have been uncle or cousin. Notes for HENRICH GRUBER: Note 1: This Henry according to Salem Evangelical Church records, for Pleasant Hall, Pennsylvania, gave 3 pounds and 10 shillings for the purchase of property for a church, school, and cemetery there. Note 2: From the M. A. Gruber research at the Berks County Historical Society, Reading, Pennsylvania --- Miscellaneous Gruber's (Franklin, Juniata, and Perry Counties)- (1) Henry Gruber (also Gruver). In the census of 1790, there is also shown a Henery Gruver as of Franklin County, Pennsylvania, the family apparently consisting of himself, wife, 3 sons of 16 years and upward, 1 son under 16 years and 2 daughters. He is very likely the Henry Gruber in connection with those estate letters of administration, which were granted on March 15, 1819 at Chambersburg, Pennsylvania to Susanna Gruber and Benjamin Gruber. The estate appears to have been of considerable value, but the names of the heirs were not ascertained at the time research was made. He may possibly be the father of Peter Gruber (Gruver), the head of the Peter Gruber (Gruver) line described in (o) above. The question is raised as to whether there may not be some close relation between this Henry Gruber (or Gruver) and Henry Gruber (born in 1747), youngest son of the immigrant Henry Gruber of the Berks County branch, or Henry Gruber, of the head of the Henry Gruber (Gruver) of the Lancaster County branch. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do have one indirect descendent buried on the Letter Kenney Depot property. 6. JACOB3 GRUBER (PETER2, UNKNOWN1)8 was born March 06, 1802 in Guilford Township, Franklin County, Pennsylvania9, and died 1848 in Franklin County, Pennsylvania. He married HANNAH KIEFFER10 November 15, 1827, daughter of ISAAC KIEFFER and EPHIA UNKNOWN. She was born January 15, 1808 in Franklin County, Pennsylvania11, and died September 17, 1875 in Franklin County, Pennsylvania12. Notes for JACOB GRUBER: Jacob Gruber, Hanna Keefer was of Hamilton, Franklin County, Pennsylvania and associated with the German Reformed Church of Chambersburg. More about JACOB GRUBER: Burial: 1848, Upper Strasburg, Carper Church, Keefer Cemetery on the Letter Kenney Army Depot, Franklin County, Pennsylvania Occupation: 1828, Wagon Maker ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dawson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Question Re: Franklin Co. Book > Can we drop this please and get on with the Franklin County Genealogy > PLEASE. We are running this issue into the ground!!! > > John C. Dawson > [email protected] > 11th West Virginia Infantry > www.geocities.com/cok11wv > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 6:00 PM > Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Question Re: Franklin Co. Book > > >> >> In a message dated 9/15/2006 5:57:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> There is another issue to aware of when taking an image from >> Ancestry.com. >> >> There is a user license for using the site. >> >> >> Very true--licensing agreements can be every bit as binding as >> copyright--but they are a horse of a different color, so to speak. <g> >> >> Joan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006 >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    09/16/2006 03:02:01
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] McCutcheon burial location
    2. gordon crooks

    3. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: [PAFRANKL] McCutcheon burial location >I thank you for the lookup on the Shockey children. > > May I now ask you to look up --------------- > 1- Robert McCutcheon b. Abt 1798 d. 1850-1860 > 2- Elizabeth Sarver McCutcheon b. Abt 1797 d.1860-1870 > > Thank you so much for helping with these lookups. > > Pat NEWELL Smith > researching--- Carr, Shockey, McCutcheon, Monn, Hoover, Harbaugh, Needy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

    09/16/2006 02:39:17
    1. Re: [PAFRANKL] Question Re: Franklin Co. Book
    2. Kathy

    3. This has been a great discussion on copyright and property rights. I appreciate the discussion. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire K" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [PAFRANKL] Question Re: Franklin Co. Book > Glenn Yeager wrote: > >> Dear Claire: >> What's Your point ? Birth , Marriage and Deaths are public domain or it >> would not be allowed to appear in a newspaper ! > > The facts (name, date, location) of a BMD are PD under US law. The > newspaper notice could be copyrighted; in certain circumstances > (including under non-US law), the BMD certificate can be copyrighted. > > Using a persons photograph >> is limited , I can tate a photo of any public figure "President Bush" and >> sell as many copies as I care to , > > Now you're raising issues of privacy and publicity, which in many cases > would prohibit exactly what you're suggesting -- but that's state law, > so it varies by state, so you'd have to look into the individual state > law at the time of the photograph. Usual practice would be to get a > release from the photo's subject, esp. before the wide distribution you > mention. Else you may find yourself sued. > > but taking a photo of You and saying >> photo thaken by Me ! of Claire and using it as an advertisment of My work >> without Your permission would show You endorse My photography work !That >> is >> illeagle ! > > False endorsement is indeed illegal. Using my photo in a commercial > sense (on a brochure, say) also raises issues of privacy and publicity, > as above. Other state law issues also may arise. > > You must wait for 50 years after the death of a person taking a >> photograph to copy it legaly into a book with out that persons permission >> , > > The current term of copyright is life+70 years, not life+50. What you > are describing is a copyright issue (the photographer's right), not a > privacy/publicity issue (the subject's right). Both may, however, be > implicated. > >> For instance My father took a photo of His Grand-mother or My Great >> Grand-mother , I can not publish that photo until the 21 Aug. 2049. > > As Joan said, your father would have had the copyright in the photo. If > he died, his copyrights would have passed, as with all his other > property, real, personal, and intellectual, as part of his estate. His > heir is now the copyright owner and (if that's not you) can grant you > permission to use the photo. > > Claire K. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    09/16/2006 02:20:10