To the List members, The bottom letter is the first in this query, to the top, if you can help this man, his email is tmjlljj@juno.com Dee Hello I think if you look at this persons data, it is pretty general don't you think? WELL, he did die AFTER 1855, long after, there is a LDS file too, but so general and no real data I would not use it, . and NO, I doubt there are two Phoebes, there are 2 readings on this cemetery, and BOTH have the same info on your GIFFORD, and yes this is where I got the data I am also going to send this to our 2 Mail Lists for Chautauqua Co and Warren Co PA, and see who may help here, We have some very talented persons on board. Version 1 SOURCE: Fenton Historical Society Deserted Cemetery Series. From the Jamestown Journal 27 July 1968, compiled and written by Edna Ingham http://www.rootsweb.com/~nychauta/CEMETERY/Lew2_cem.htm Version 2 http://www.rootsweb.com/~nychauta/CEMETERY/Lew3_cem.html SOURCE: Provided by Raymond C. Anderson, Maple Springs, NY. ----- Original Message ----- From: <tmjlljj@juno.com> To: <jcricket@cecomet.net> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Benjamin Gifford of New York > Hi Dee, > Last night I was on the web looking at the War of 1812 sites you > suggested and stumbled across the following: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nychauta/CEMETERY/Lew2_cem.htm > Lewis Cemetery, Ellery, Chautauqua Co., NY lists: > GIFFORD, Benjamin Sr. died 29 April 1883 age 65. [TDR: i.e., born abt > 1818] > GIFFORD, Phoebe (nee Brown), wife of Benjamin Jr. 1839-1897. > GIFFORD, Delilah daughter of Benjamin Jr. and Phoebe, died 3 Feb. 1865, > age 6. > Is this the same source as you found for the data in your 12/14 message? > The reason for my question is that it baffled me to the extent it kept me > awake last night! It seems to contradict the infomation given by John > Austin on the Warren Co. site, i.e., > > "Posted by JOHN AUSTIN <jaqby@capital.com> on Wed, 28 Jul 1999 > in response to BENJAMIN GIFFORD, posted by MYRTICE GIFFORD FORSYTHE on > Tue, 27 Jul 1999 > > Benjamin Gifford was b. Dutchess Co. NY c. 1777 and d. after 1855, bur, > Lewis Cem., Ellery, Chautauqua Co. NY. He m. bef. 1814 Phebe Brown, b. > prob. Dutchess Co. 21 3m 1778, dau. of Justus and Desire (Mosher) Brown; > Phebe d. 18 Feb. 1854, bur. with him. Benjamin was received into Quaker > membership in Chester Preparative Meeting in 1805, and Phebe Gifford was > accepted into the Queensbury Monthly Meeting in 1814. Benjamin was > listed at Queensbury, Warren Co., N.Y. in 1800 ("Gifferd"; 10010/00100); > Chester in 1810 (01010/10010) and Queensbury again in 1820 > (020010/31010/03). He was named executor in the will of Samuel Brown, > Quaker, of Queensbury, but renounced 1 lm 1822. The family moved from > Queensbury to Ellery in 1824. Benjamin Gifford and Pheby, his wife, of > Chautauqua Co. conveyed Queensbury land in 1836 (Deed book I/115, 118, > 120). The removal certificate from Queensbury to Collins Orthodox MM for > Benjamin, wife Phebe, and son Benjamin was dated 4 Jan. 1829. Children: > i Stephen m - ----- Perkstaff; a letter was listed for him at Glens Falls > post office, he of Queensbury, per Warren Record of 1 July 1826. > ii Desire m. Brownell Wing; to Kendall Co. IL. > iii Abigail m. Cordon Manley. > iv Deborah m. ----- Adams. > v Benjamin Jr. b. Queensbury 16 Nov. 1817; d. Ellery 29 April 1883; m. > Soresta Newbury; had Mary F. (m. ----- Putnam) and Abigail J. (m. ----- > Haskins). > vi Richard killed at a barn raising. " > > Do you think there may indeed have been a second Phoebe Brown that > married a Benjamin Gifford? Could the transcription of the Lewis > Cemetery data be incorrect? Any suggestions/opinions would be > appreciated. > Best regards, > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <tmjlljj@juno.com> > > To: <jcricket@cecomet.net> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 12:51 AM > > Subject: Re: Sylvenus and William Sylvenus Gifford of New York > > > > Hi Dee, > > > They may well be the same line, but I don't know the relationship. > > > Another brother of Sylvenus and William S. Gifford was Benjamin > > Gifford > > > (abt. 1777-Aft. 1855), who married Phebe Brown (1778-1854). Both > > > Benjamin and Phebe died in Ellery, Chautauqua Co., N.Y. Have you > > seen > > > any info on this pair? > > > Best regards, > > > David > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >