I just looked at my notes from Ellis and the 1872 maps for Centre District in Redstone Twp and Lafayette District in Franklin Twp and have some more confusion to add. There is a "Redstone Baptist Church" in Lafayette District of Franklin Twp. Down at the river the 1872 map lists "S. Smock" and a saw and grist mill. From the map Ken sent me, it looks like the town of Smock in Franklin Twp. is where the "S. Smock" is located in the 1872 map. So these two graveyards, one the Centre Monthly Meeting graveyard and the other the Redstone Baptist Church graveyard are not too far apart but on opposite sides of Redstone Creek. The Colvins, Sharplesses and others could have attended in Lafayette District as Peter Miller of Jefferson Twp. came across the Redstone Creek to attend in the Centre MM in Centre Twp. I think (but don' t know for sure) this Redstone Baptist Church is the "Big Redstone Baptist Church" in Franklin Twp. mentioned in Ellis. See Ellis page 559. "The church at Big Redstone, called Philadelphia, was constitued May 1, 1791, by Rev. David Loofborrow." .... Henry Frazer, minister and pastor of the Philadelphia Church; William Rittenhouse, Deacon and recorder.... " Ellis goes on to list members including the sister and brother in law of Peter Miller, Andrew Yeagley and Sarah (Miller-Davis-)Yeagley. This may account for the "meeting before 1847 question. So my hypothesis is there are indeed two cemeteries. Ken has surveyed the Centre Monthly Meeting Quaker cemetery which is actually in Redstone Twp and Della's book lists the Redstone Baptist Church in Franklin Twp. This would account for no stones being common in the two lists. Mike Miller On Wednesday 14 January 2004 17:20, Ken O'Neal wrote: > John > I'm thinking that there might be two cemeteries in that area . I looked at > names you sent. None match, the few I found there. Did someone add stones > dated mid 1800s ? I found Samuel. Sharpless, and family. Your list has > William Sharpless, but NO Samuel ?? If it were the Redstone Regular Baptist > Church Cemetery, why didn't Della record ANY of stones I found, they > would have been there then too. What book of Della Reagan's is this > cemetery found ? You said that the Baptist Church was built in 1847, but > held meetings before that, Did they bury in this cemetery, before that ? > Just a few questions I think need cleared up, before I start looking for > the other cemetery Ken > > > ==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== > "You Have a Friend in Fayette County, Pennsylvania"!

Mike Yes there is a Redstone Baptist Cemetery, is in Smock and is well maintained, and possibly is still conducting burials. near by I have listed as REDSTONE BAPTIST Cem Smock, PA Franklin Twp. 40" 00.07 N 079" 46.60 W I know this is not cemetery I called Quaker Cemetery listed at Quaker Cem. On Rowes Run Rd. near Smock 40" 00.03 N 079" 48.42 W They are close, but not the same Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Miller" <mmiller@gowebtown.net> To: <PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [PAFAY] Re: Quaker Cem. > I just looked at my notes from Ellis and the 1872 maps for Centre District in > Redstone Twp and Lafayette District in Franklin Twp and have some more > confusion to add. > > There is a "Redstone Baptist Church" in Lafayette District of Franklin Twp. > Down at the river the 1872 map lists "S. Smock" and a saw and grist mill. > From the map Ken sent me, it looks like the town of Smock in Franklin Twp. is > where the "S. Smock" is located in the 1872 map. > > So these two graveyards, one the Centre Monthly Meeting graveyard and the > other the Redstone Baptist Church graveyard are not too far apart but on > opposite sides of Redstone Creek. The Colvins, Sharplesses and others could > have attended in Lafayette District as Peter Miller of Jefferson Twp. came > across the Redstone Creek to attend in the Centre MM in Centre Twp. > > I think (but don' t know for sure) this Redstone Baptist Church is the "Big > Redstone Baptist Church" in Franklin Twp. mentioned in Ellis. See Ellis page > 559. > > "The church at Big Redstone, called Philadelphia, was constitued May 1, 1791, > by Rev. David Loofborrow." .... Henry Frazer, minister and pastor of the > Philadelphia Church; William Rittenhouse, Deacon and recorder.... " > > Ellis goes on to list members including the sister and brother in law of > Peter Miller, Andrew Yeagley and Sarah (Miller-Davis-)Yeagley. > > This may account for the "meeting before 1847 question. > > So my hypothesis is there are indeed two cemeteries. Ken has surveyed the > Centre Monthly Meeting Quaker cemetery which is actually in Redstone Twp and > Della's book lists the Redstone Baptist Church in Franklin Twp. > > This would account for no stones being common in the two lists. > > Mike Miller > > > On Wednesday 14 January 2004 17:20, Ken O'Neal wrote: > > John > > I'm thinking that there might be two cemeteries in that area . I looked at > > names you sent. None match, the few I found there. Did someone add stones > > dated mid 1800s ? I found Samuel. Sharpless, and family. Your list has > > William Sharpless, but NO Samuel ?? If it were the Redstone Regular Baptist > > Church Cemetery, why didn't Della record ANY of stones I found, they > > would have been there then too. What book of Della Reagan's is this > > cemetery found ? You said that the Baptist Church was built in 1847, but > > held meetings before that, Did they bury in this cemetery, before that ? > > Just a few questions I think need cleared up, before I start looking for > > the other cemetery Ken > > > > > > ==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== > > "You Have a Friend in Fayette County, Pennsylvania"! > > > ==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== > The Uniontown Library NEW URL- http://www.uniontownlib.org/ > >

I don/t think they are still having burials in the Smock Baptist Cem. I was told years ago a caretaker who was to restand the fallen stones, and what he did was he removed them and used them to make a floor in the church, which was located accross the road from the cem. the big open space in the middle of the cem from what I was told has many now unmarked graves in it. I know this isnt the one Della Reagan did because there are a lot of the Hill family buried in this one and she doesnt have them on her list. Ken as for why Della Reagan has names you don't have or you have names she didn't have I have no answer for that. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken O'Neal" <kenoneal@zoominternet.net> To: <PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [PAFAY] Re: Quaker Cem. > Mike > Yes there is a Redstone Baptist Cemetery, is in Smock and is well > maintained, and possibly is still conducting burials. near by I have listed > as REDSTONE BAPTIST Cem Smock, PA Franklin Twp. > 40" 00.07 N > 079" 46.60 W > I know this is not cemetery I called Quaker Cemetery listed at > Quaker Cem. On Rowes Run Rd. near Smock > 40" 00.03 N > 079" 48.42 W > They are close, but not the same > Ken > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Miller" <mmiller@gowebtown.net> > To: <PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: [PAFAY] Re: Quaker Cem. > > > > I just looked at my notes from Ellis and the 1872 maps for Centre District > in > > Redstone Twp and Lafayette District in Franklin Twp and have some more > > confusion to add. > > > > There is a "Redstone Baptist Church" in Lafayette District of Franklin > Twp. > > Down at the river the 1872 map lists "S. Smock" and a saw and grist mill. > > From the map Ken sent me, it looks like the town of Smock in Franklin Twp. > is > > where the "S. Smock" is located in the 1872 map. > > > > So these two graveyards, one the Centre Monthly Meeting graveyard and the > > other the Redstone Baptist Church graveyard are not too far apart but on > > opposite sides of Redstone Creek. The Colvins, Sharplesses and others > could > > have attended in Lafayette District as Peter Miller of Jefferson Twp. came > > across the Redstone Creek to attend in the Centre MM in Centre Twp. > > > > I think (but don' t know for sure) this Redstone Baptist Church is the > "Big > > Redstone Baptist Church" in Franklin Twp. mentioned in Ellis. See Ellis > page > > 559. > > > > "The church at Big Redstone, called Philadelphia, was constitued May 1, > 1791, > > by Rev. David Loofborrow." .... Henry Frazer, minister and pastor of the > > Philadelphia Church; William Rittenhouse, Deacon and recorder.... " > > > > Ellis goes on to list members including the sister and brother in law of > > Peter Miller, Andrew Yeagley and Sarah (Miller-Davis-)Yeagley. > > > > This may account for the "meeting before 1847 question. > > > > So my hypothesis is there are indeed two cemeteries. Ken has surveyed the > > Centre Monthly Meeting Quaker cemetery which is actually in Redstone Twp > and > > Della's book lists the Redstone Baptist Church in Franklin Twp. > > > > This would account for no stones being common in the two lists. > > > > Mike Miller > > > > > > On Wednesday 14 January 2004 17:20, Ken O'Neal wrote: > > > John > > > I'm thinking that there might be two cemeteries in that area . I looked > at > > > names you sent. None match, the few I found there. Did someone add > stones > > > dated mid 1800s ? I found Samuel. Sharpless, and family. Your list has > > > William Sharpless, but NO Samuel ?? If it were the Redstone Regular > Baptist > > > Church Cemetery, why didn't Della record ANY of stones I found, they > > > would have been there then too. What book of Della Reagan's is this > > > cemetery found ? You said that the Baptist Church was built in 1847, but > > > held meetings before that, Did they bury in this cemetery, before that ? > > > Just a few questions I think need cleared up, before I start looking for > > > the other cemetery Ken > > > > > > > > > ==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== > > > "You Have a Friend in Fayette County, Pennsylvania"! > > > > > > ==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== > > The Uniontown Library NEW URL- http://www.uniontownlib.org/ > > > > > > > ==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== > The Fayette County Genealogical Society- http://www.hhs.net/sss/fayette/fcgsinfo.htm > Fayette County Archives- http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/fayette/index.htm > >

On Thursday 15 January 2004 07:09, J Bailey wrote: > I don/t think they are still having burials in the Smock Baptist Cem. > I was told years ago a caretaker who was to restand the fallen stones, and > what he did was he removed them and used them to make a floor in the > church, It never ceases to amaze me what people will do to the graves of others but then I think of what is being done right now to my elderly friend in a nursing home in another state while he is still alive.... I can only hope there is an especially warm zone down below for "people" like this. Alright back to genealogy. John, The Smock Baptist Church is located right in Smock then? Ken's map shows a cemetery in Smock that corresponds to the 1872 map location of the Redstone Baptist Church. The roads and creek fit almost exactly. I see in the Redstone District of Franklin Twps there is the "Redstone Disciples Church Graveyard" located between T546 and Highway 51 North of Grindstone Road and south of Spillway Lake on Carb Apple Run. Then in the Buena Vista District, the 1872 Map show a " Baptist Church & Grave Yard" located between the two main Branches of Virgin Run that flows into the Youghiogheny River. I now wonder which Baptist church is the Big Redstone Baptist Church mentioned in Ellis pg 559? The one in Smock in LaFayette District or the one further East in Buena Vista District? This latter one would be closer to where the Yeagley lived on the Dunbar/Franklin Twp line but who know? If you do, I would love to hear from you. Mike Miller

| I now wonder which Baptist church is the Big Redstone Baptist Church | mentioned in Ellis pg 559? The one in Smock in LaFayette District or the one | further East in Buena Vista District? This latter one would be closer to | where the Yeagley lived on the Dunbar/Franklin Twp line but who know? If you | do, I would love to hear from you. Mike, Perhaps I can offer a little information. The Baptist Church and Cemetery in Smock are, indeed, the one referred to by Ellis, p 559. My ancestors are among the members noted by Ellis and many are buried in the old cemetery. The church was disbanded or abandoned by the Baptists well before 1900, long before the community of Smock formed. The building still stands, but is now a private residence and a road seperates the building from the cemetery. A pre-1900 photo that I saw leads me to believe that this road did not exist at the time the church and cemetery were originally formed. Perhaps the road was built to connect the town of Smock to Hwy 51. At that time, the land would have been an abandoned, overgrown cemetery. I can't help but question if there are graves under the road. I have talked with a lot of the locals, whose families have been in the area for generations, regarding the issue of stones having been removed and used as a floor. Everyone I spoke with, denies the story, however, it seemed to be an uncomfortable topic for some of these folks. I still wonder! There was a magnificent wrought iron fence surrounding the cemetery, that was cut down sometime in the 60's for the convenience of the lawn mowers. This was before the invention on the weed wacker/edger. The fence still exists and is used to surround Platt's Junkyard located on the Bute Oliver Rd. The concrete foundations for the fence posts and part of the gate posts still surround the cemetery. The descendents of one of the families buried there, the name escapes me at the moment, established a perpetual care fund at a bank in Greensburg many years ago. The principal amount was $10,000.00 and whatever interest accumulates is used to pay for cutting the grass. Hopes this helps, Marc --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 01/14/2004

At 07:53 PM 1/14/2004 -0600, Mike Miller wrote: >So my hypothesis is there are indeed two cemeteries. Ken has surveyed the >Centre Monthly Meeting Quaker cemetery which is actually in Redstone Twp >and Della's book lists the Redstone Baptist Church in Franklin Twp. Hi, Mike, Thanks for your comments. I've been puzzled, too. This area is not my main area of research yet I do have some ancestors in Redstone Baptist, Franklin Twp. I've been puzzled in the past by Yanik's and Yaniga's listing of what they called "Reg. Redstone" in "Cemeteries of Fayette County PA Voume # 1" "between Grindstone and Smock" and shown as Redstone Twp. Some of the folks listed by Y & Y as having stones in this "Reg. Redstone" are: Dorcas Sharpless d. 1862 age 2 dau. J & M., David W Colvin d. 9/11/1845 age 7 Mary Ann Britt D. 6/4/1852 w/o John age 53 Many of us need some clarity on this one! Thanks, Ken, for jousting with the local windmills! Best regards, Jane