Linda When a person begins a post with - "I am not raising the moral or political issues of gay marriage, please don't address that arena." It seems to me that he knows exactly what he is attempting to have addressed and how people will react. I'm surprised you took the bait. Regards, Ken Guilette South Barrington, IL ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: [PAF-5] Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content Richard, I'm sorry you feel I was so "LDS-biased". In accordance with Alan's initial comments, I tried as much as possible not to give my post a moral or political twist. However, the fact is that PAF *IS* the software program the Church has created and provides free for members to gather their family history and submit names for ordinance work.

I am not LDS but have always enjoyed using the program. So the question wasn't totally unreasonable since I feel certain there are many here like me and that I am not the only unchurched member on board this mailing list. I use other programs as well, but have always used PAF as my main program, perhaps I should make some adjustments. Elaine Hello Kenneth On Friday, May 27, 2005, you wrote > Linda > When a person begins a post with - "I am not > raising the moral or political issues of gay > marriage, please don't address that arena." > It seems to me that he knows exactly what he > is attempting to have addressed and how people > will react. > I'm surprised you took the bait. > Regards, > Ken Guilette > South Barrington, IL

Elaine, I regret that my remarks may have in some way offended you. That was not my intent. PAF is an excellent program, although other programs have some features that I wish were also incorporated in PAF. There is no reason for you to change your use of a genealogy program simply because you are not LDS. The program can be used equally well by both members and non-members. Stewart Millar in another post has some excellent suggestions for dealing with non-traditional genealogical issues. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "ETM" <etm1935@yahoo.com> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content >I am not LDS but have always enjoyed using the > program. So the question wasn't totally > unreasonable since I feel certain there are many > here like me and that I am not the only unchurched > member on board this mailing list. > > I use other programs as well, but have always used > PAF as my main program, perhaps I should make some > adjustments. > > Elaine > > Hello Kenneth > > On Friday, May 27, 2005, you wrote > >> Linda > >> When a person begins a post with - "I am not >> raising the moral or political issues of gay >> marriage, please don't address that arena." >> It seems to me that he knows exactly what he >> is attempting to have addressed and how people >> will react. > >> I'm surprised you took the bait. > >> Regards, > >> Ken Guilette >> South Barrington, IL > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > PAF-5-USERS Mailing List Search > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=PAF-5-USERS > >

Well I could suggest that my niece give the kids back to the foundling home that got rid of them, but I think that's a bit harsh. However, she isn't married, probably doesn't intend to marry, didn't personally have these illegitimate children, and the inability to remove that UNKNOWN husband tag is an annoyance. I am doing a "family" tree, so adoptions are in it big-time. I am not doing a biological *only* blood line hand-me-down some money or title inheritance tree <smile>. Linda, I did not take offense. I have NO idea how or if I can forcibly get rid of "unknown" when there are adoptions by a single parent, male or female. But it would be nicer than that ugly condemning finger that seems to point out that something is wrong or missing (and I suppose it is for the LDS). I guess I primarily think that precisely because I am not preparing a biological bloodline database. So I am frustrated and tagged on to this thread for that reason. Of course, as I said, she cold give the foundlings back and see if a traditional family picks them up and then I wouldn't have this problem. Ah, now, I am getting bitter with my frustration over the issue. I'll look around to see if any other programs accommodate these new modern parental associations. Elaine Research: What I'm doing, when I don't know what I'm doing. Hello Linda On Friday, May 27, 2005, you wrote > Elaine, > I regret that my remarks may have in some way > offended you. That was not my > intent. PAF is an excellent program, > although other programs have some > features that I wish were also incorporated > in PAF. There is no reason for > you to change your use of a genealogy program > simply because you are not > LDS. The program can be used equally well by > both members and non-members. > Stewart Millar in another post has some > excellent suggestions for dealing > with non-traditional genealogical issues. > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ETM" <etm1935@yahoo.com> > To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Acknowledging gay > marriages in PAF--LDS content >>I am not LDS but have always enjoyed using the >> program. So the question wasn't totally >> unreasonable since I feel certain there are many >> here like me and that I am not the only unchurched >> member on board this mailing list. >> >> I use other programs as well, but have always used >> PAF as my main program, perhaps I should make some >> adjustments. >> >> Elaine >>

Kenneth, I did not take any bait. I originally responded without raising any moral or polital issues that it was unlikely that the Church would re-write the PAF program. Another lister chose to see my response as LDS-biased, to which I responded with an explanation of LDS teachings that would preclude writing a less conservative genealogy program. It was basically a "this is what is taught, and this is why the program is the way it is" response. I did not attempt to moralize, nor did I try to be politically correct. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Guilette To: Linda ; PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content Linda When a person begins a post with - "I am not raising the moral or political issues of gay marriage, please don't address that arena." It seems to me that he knows exactly what he is attempting to have addressed and how people will react. I'm surprised you took the bait. Regards, Ken Guilette South Barrington, IL ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: [PAF-5] Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content Richard, I'm sorry you feel I was so "LDS-biased". In accordance with Alan's initial comments, I tried as much as possible not to give my post a moral or political twist. However, the fact is that PAF *IS* the software program the Church has created and provides free for members to gather their family history and submit names for ordinance work.