The IGI has never had all source information available. Names that are submitted to the temples for ordinance work do not include all of the notes, sources, etc. in a person's files, and never have. Only necessary identification is submitted. Family History Center/Library patrons have always been told to check the Ancestral File and now the Pedigree Resource File, for families linked together and to obtain more information on sources and/or submitters. People should not go to the IGI and expect source material and/or submitters. -------Original Message------- From: Linda Date: 05/23/05 17:38:05 To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] No Source Information given in IGI Sources are not required for submission of names for temple work. What you see is basically all the temple ever had. If the entry was for a marriage in 1860, I can't imagine that anyone living at that time is still alive now. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen W Hamilton" <hwhamilton2@msn.com> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: [PAF-5] No Source Information given in IGI >I found an entry in the IGI that I wanted more information on, but under >Source it said No Source Information. Under messages it said Submitted by >a member of LDS after 1991. > Why are entries allowed where there is no source information provided? > This was an entry for a marriage in 1860, nothing regarding anyone > possibly still alive. > > Helen > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uindex.php -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 .

I think we are getting off the intended subject of this List. We are or should be, interested in PAF related issues and not whether the IGI does now or previously did, provide Sources. We all know that until the TR computer based program was introduced, the IGI on FamilySearch always provided a source, as in Film or Batch number that one could refer to, or other. In some cases you could also find the name of the person who submitted the data. Ross GH Cotton, Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 Genealogy of the COTTON surname is my Enigma. I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above. Check out my Genealogy Web Page at www.skylinc.net/~rgcotton GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide ----- Original Message ----- From: bkalm To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] No Source Information given in IGI The IGI has never had all source information available. Names that are submitted to the temples for ordinance work do not include all of the notes, sources, etc. in a person's files, and never have. Only necessary identification is submitted. Family History Center/Library patrons have always been told to check the Ancestral File and now the Pedigree Resource File, for families linked together and to obtain more information on sources and/or submitters. People should not go to the IGI and expect source material and/or submitters. -------Original Message------- From: Linda Date: 05/23/05 17:38:05 To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] No Source Information given in IGI Sources are not required for submission of names for temple work. What you see is basically all the temple ever had. If the entry was for a marriage in 1860, I can't imagine that anyone living at that time is still alive now. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen W Hamilton" <hwhamilton2@msn.com> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: [PAF-5] No Source Information given in IGI >I found an entry in the IGI that I wanted more information on, but under >Source it said No Source Information. Under messages it said Submitted by >a member of LDS after 1991. > Why are entries allowed where there is no source information provided? > This was an entry for a marriage in 1860, nothing regarding anyone > possibly still alive. > > Helen > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uindex.php -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 . ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== Having trouble with the software? Check PAF 5.x Information http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uinfo.php

Technically, while this may be true of temple submissions now, this is not true for submissions 20 or so years ago. Back before we started submitted info on disks, when we had to submit pedigree charts and family group sheets, all of the source information, assuming there was any on the sheets, was included in what was submitted. When I submitted my mother's name to be done, I submitted a family group with all of my father's info (still living), all my mother's info, and all my siblings info (also all still living at the time). [Back in those days also one had to show a relationship to the name being submitted.] I also had to list sources during those days. So all that info is somewhere in the Family History Library's voluminous files. There was a time when a patron could possibly order a film which contained the sheets submitted by the patron, although I'm not sure what conditions determined if the sheets were microfilmed or not. I remember having seen microfilms of page after page of family group sheets. The notice on more recent IGI entries that it is a submission since 1991 suggests that possibly that is when they discontinued submitting the info this way and therefore no longer microfilmed the sheets also. As far as patrons having "always" been referred to the Ancestral File that can't always have been true. It hasn't been around that long. My dh and I were both FHC specialists (as they were referred to then) about 15 years ago when Ancestral File was just coming out on CD. If Ancestral File was available to be searched before that, it would have been a cumbersome thing to do as it would have involved writing to Salt Lake and hoping for a response. And maybe it's just my families, but I've never seen sources or pertinent information in my ancestral file families. I don't recall that we ever referred patrons to Ancestral File before that. (but then again, that is so long ago, my memories may be very dusty!) Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "bkalm" <bkalm@comcast.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] No Source Information given in IGI > The IGI has never had all source information available. Names that are > submitted to the temples for ordinance work do not include all of the > notes, > sources, etc. in a person's files, and never have. Only necessary > identification is submitted. Family History Center/Library patrons have > always been told to check the Ancestral File and now the Pedigree Resource > File, for families linked together and to obtain more information on > sources > and/or submitters. People should not go to the IGI and expect source > material and/or submitters. > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Linda > Date: 05/23/05 17:38:05 > To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAF-5] No Source Information given in IGI > > Sources are not required for submission of names for temple work. What > you > see is basically all the temple ever had. > > If the entry was for a marriage in 1860, I can't imagine that anyone > living > at that time is still alive now. > > Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helen W Hamilton" <hwhamilton2@msn.com> > To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:40 PM > Subject: [PAF-5] No Source Information given in IGI > > >>I found an entry in the IGI that I wanted more information on, but under >>Source it said No Source Information. Under messages it said Submitted by >>a member of LDS after 1991. >> Why are entries allowed where there is no source information provided? >> This was an entry for a marriage in 1860, nothing regarding anyone >> possibly still alive. >> >> Helen >> >> >> >> ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >> RootsWeb >> http://www.rootsweb.com/ >> >> > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > PAF-5-USERS Mailing List > http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uindex.php > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005 > > . > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > Having trouble with the software? Check PAF 5.x Information > http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uinfo.php >