By virtue of the way PAF is configured, any time an individual has children listed, the person has to have a "spouse." If the spouse is not known and listed by name, PAF inserts the spouse as Unknown, but does not assign a RIN number to that unknown person. The only way to deal with this situation is to open the Marriage screen and, instead of entering a marriage date, enter the words "Never Married." PAF will accept this. It will tell you that you have entered a non-standard date, but will accept and record it when you save. To show that the woman did not have these children illegitimately, you can handle the parent relationship as showing the children as adopted. Adding notes to the marriage screen and the mother's individual screen should help explain the situation. From the standpoint of answering the Genealogy definitions listed below, it does nothing to clarify #s 1 & 2. These deal with the biological aspects, which it appears in you situation to not be know. But, in regards to # 3, the family history, it should fully explain how these children fit into the family. Dick Cazier Lakewood, Colorado USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Whitcomb" <alan.whitcomb@gmail.com> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > On 5/28/05, ETM <etm1935@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Well I could suggest that my niece give the kids >> back to the foundling home that got rid of them, >> but I think that's a bit harsh. However, she >> isn't married, probably doesn't intend to marry, >> didn't personally have these illegitimate >> children, and the inability to remove that UNKNOWN >> husband tag is an annoyance. >> > > So if I understand you correctly, your real problem the inability to > remove > UNKNOWN from the husband tag? I am almost 100% sure we all have UNKNOWN > family. I know that your niece´s choices in life may have caused you > heartache, and being a single mother is not an easy life choice. > > > Genealogy is by definition: > > > 1. A record or table of the descent of a person, family, or group from > an ancestor or ancestors; a family tree. > 2. Direct descent from an ancestor; lineage or pedigree. > 3. The study or investigation of ancestry and family histories. > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: > Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > >

I beg to differ. I am a guardian father to my son, and he also has a biological father. He and I are NOT spouses or even on speaking terms. We are not forced to enter a marriage entry. IF we put in a marriage entry and do not know one of the spouses it does put UNKNOWN in the family view, but not in the database so it does not come out in reports. I can not think of a cases where I have marriage information date/place/etc. and do not Know any part of the either one of their names. So I don't create the marriage record so it does not put UNKNOWN in there. Alan Jones Mission Viejo, Calif. -----Original Message----- From: Dick Cazier [mailto:dcazier@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:07 PM To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content By virtue of the way PAF is configured, any time an individual has children listed, the person has to have a "spouse." If the spouse is not known and listed by name, PAF inserts the spouse as Unknown, but does not assign a RIN number to that unknown person. The only way to deal with this situation is to open the Marriage screen and, instead of entering a marriage date, enter the words "Never Married." PAF will accept this. It will tell you that you have entered a non-standard date, but will accept and record it when you save. To show that the woman did not have these children illegitimately, you can handle the parent relationship as showing the children as adopted. Adding notes to the marriage screen and the mother's individual screen should help explain the situation. From the standpoint of answering the Genealogy definitions listed below, it does nothing to clarify #s 1 & 2. These deal with the biological aspects, which it appears in you situation to not be know. But, in regards to # 3, the family history, it should fully explain how these children fit into the family. Dick Cazier Lakewood, Colorado USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Whitcomb" <alan.whitcomb@gmail.com> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > On 5/28/05, ETM <etm1935@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Well I could suggest that my niece give the kids >> back to the foundling home that got rid of them, >> but I think that's a bit harsh. However, she >> isn't married, probably doesn't intend to marry, >> didn't personally have these illegitimate >> children, and the inability to remove that UNKNOWN >> husband tag is an annoyance. >> > > So if I understand you correctly, your real problem the inability to > remove > UNKNOWN from the husband tag? I am almost 100% sure we all have UNKNOWN > family. I know that your niece´s choices in life may have caused you > heartache, and being a single mother is not an easy life choice. > > > Genealogy is by definition: > > > 1. A record or table of the descent of a person, family, or group from > an ancestor or ancestors; a family tree. > 2. Direct descent from an ancestor; lineage or pedigree. > 3. The study or investigation of ancestry and family histories. > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: > Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List Search http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=PAF-5-USERS