Persons concerned about this topic might be interested in reading the demography of "family" as set forth, believe it or not, by the Univ. of CA Entomology Dept.: http://entomology.ucdavis.edu/courses/hde19/lecture4.html Laura Gentner Dunwald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Jones at home" <alanjones10@cox.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: RE: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > Karl, > > There is no right or wrong way to do genalogy, no laws mandate how it is > to be done. > I personally strive 1st to follow the legal guardian/parent as you do, > but I also try > to keep the biological connections where I can. > Luckily in PAF it allows a person to have multiple fathers, mulitiple > mothers and it > Allows you to mark them as biological, adoptive, etc. > > Alan Jones > Mission Viejo, Calif. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jenealogy [mailto:jenealogy@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:39 PM > To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > > > From my understanding...Your roots follow the "legal" guardian or > parent. That is the way I am doing it. Is that incorrect? If we are > suppose to go by biological I am going to be up a tree. Within 3 > generations we have several out of wedlock, adoptive, "affair children" > and other situations that would definitely cause anxiety & frustration. > > So which track do you take? > > - Karl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trudy Lundy" <ltlundy@comcast.net> > To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 9:06 AM > Subject: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > > >> I have a question -- from an LDS standpoint -- a gay couple would >> never be sealed (guess someone could "lie" them in) or have children >> sealed to them (unless things changed for one of them). So why not >> just link children to biological or adoptive parents, whichever case >> if known (or as unknown), > who >> are not gay? What about children of sperm donors, known or unknown? >> Some children (of sperm donors) have found their biological fathers. >> I have > read >> of actual cases. And then there are the rare cases of surrogate >> mothers. These are all very interesting genealogical questions. >> >> Just wondering........ >> >> Trudy >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >> AVG Anti-Virus Users >> Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner >> tab. >> >> > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: > Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > AVG Anti-Virus Users > Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner tab. >

I think Alan's comment below as to the "right or wrong way" to do genealogy and "laws" on how it should be done are right on point. Much of the discussion on this thread seem to deal with personal feelings on whether or not homosexual marriages should or should not be recognized in genealogy. And it appears that most of the comments are based on a personal theological or religious belief. That is not the point. The question originally posed was "how do I record a homosexual marriage in PAF." So I don't believe it is proper or on point, in this venue, to try to convince anyone about one point of view or another as to the validity or appropriateness of trying to record this type of marriage. Now, for an idea of how to record this type of marriage, which PAF is not set up to do, by virtue of the program requiring one party of the marriage to be listed as male and the other as female. I suggest that you record one party, whether of male or female gender, and then add the children to that individual. This will result in a marriage with one partner listed as unknown (no RIN will be assigned to the unknown spouse and a no MRIN to the marriage). Then record the second party of the same gender to your PAF database and list the same children. Then edit the two marriage screens to add the appropriate date and place for the marriage (as appropriate) and notes to each indicating it is a "same sex" marriage and that the unknown spouse is-enter the name of the "marriage" partner of the same gender (and that individual's RIN). You might want to add a similar entry under the Notes of each individual partner, so that anyone looking at it later is more likely to find that it is a "same sex marriage." You may also want to edit the child relationship to show that they are adopted by both marriage partners , if that is the case, or show adopted to only one of the partners, if the child/children are natural children of the other partner. I hope this explanation makes sense. It seems to be rather clumsy, but is the only way I can see that it can be accomplished in the PAF program. If anyone wants to see an example of this idea, email me off list and I'll be happy to send you a gedcom of what I set up to test the idea. And realize that my quotation marks around the words marriage and same sex marriage are intended in no way to indicate my feelings on same sex marriages, but are intended to emphasize that this suggestion is only deals with same sex marriages. Dick Cazier Lakewood, Colorado USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura G." <beagenie@charter.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > Persons concerned about this topic might be interested in reading the > demography of "family" > as set forth, believe it or not, by the Univ. of CA Entomology Dept.: > > http://entomology.ucdavis.edu/courses/hde19/lecture4.html > > Laura Gentner Dunwald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Jones at home" <alanjones10@cox.net> > To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:56 PM > Subject: RE: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > > >> Karl, >> >> There is no right or wrong way to do genalogy, no laws mandate how it is >> to be done. >> I personally strive 1st to follow the legal guardian/parent as you do, >> but I also try >> to keep the biological connections where I can. >> Luckily in PAF it allows a person to have multiple fathers, mulitiple >> mothers and it >> Allows you to mark them as biological, adoptive, etc. >> >> Alan Jones >> Mission Viejo, Calif. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jenealogy [mailto:jenealogy@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:39 PM >> To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content >> >> >> From my understanding...Your roots follow the "legal" guardian or >> parent. That is the way I am doing it. Is that incorrect? If we are >> suppose to go by biological I am going to be up a tree. Within 3 >> generations we have several out of wedlock, adoptive, "affair children" >> and other situations that would definitely cause anxiety & frustration. >> >> So which track do you take? >> >> - Karl >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Trudy Lundy" <ltlundy@comcast.net> >> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 9:06 AM >> Subject: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content >> >> >>> I have a question -- from an LDS standpoint -- a gay couple would >>> never be sealed (guess someone could "lie" them in) or have children >>> sealed to them (unless things changed for one of them). So why not >>> just link children to biological or adoptive parents, whichever case >>> if known (or as unknown), >> who >>> are not gay? What about children of sperm donors, known or unknown? >>> Some children (of sperm donors) have found their biological fathers. >>> I have >> read >>> of actual cases. And then there are the rare cases of surrogate >>> mothers. These are all very interesting genealogical questions. >>> >>> Just wondering........ >>> >>> Trudy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >>> AVG Anti-Virus Users >>> Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner >>> tab. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >> RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: >> Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time >> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ >> >> >> >> ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >> AVG Anti-Virus Users >> Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner >> tab. >> > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > AVG Anti-Virus Users > Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner tab. > >