Dick, Previously you said you disagreed with my perspective on this - but I must say that it is not a question of disagreeing with any view but rather a question of understanding how PAF deals with the issue - and on that point there has been a great deal of making a mountain out of a mole hill. PAF does deal with the situation. It allows biological parents to be identified and simultaneously allows adopted parents or parent to be identified. The program does not necessarily replicate any strict legal interpretation which as we have seen from responses varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. With a child linked to a set of parents defined as biological and the same child linked to a set of parents defined as adopted - it is a no-brainer option to right-mouse click on the selected child (in either family), select the edit parents link and view in the sub-window the list of parents the child is linked to - in this list, any repeated mother or father clearly identifies a parent that is in both the biological and the adopted set of parents. Seems like a good solution. Any notes against the child would obviously make the situation clear on any printed report. I see this is quite a good solution and not at all as serious as the length of comments on this issue would imply. Further, I do not believe that there is any implied LDS view in the provisions of the program. Regards, Stewart -----Original Message----- From: Dick Cazier [mailto:dcazier@comcast.net] Sent: 06 June 2005 21:30 To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re: Biological/adoptive parents - again! I send this, not to upset any people, but to help summarize what has been discussed and (hopefully) put the issue to rest. I'm not sure the developers and/or the LDS position matters, unless it responds to the question of "how do we accomplish that which we need/desire to accomplish." I think John Waugh's response probably states the developer and/or LDS point of view (whether or not he is in a position to officially state such). I don't think we are a group that gets together to pool our ignorance, but a group that is trying to find a way to solve a problem that we (or at least some of us) have. It's rather obvious, after all the discussion, that the PAF program design does not provide a way to record what the original questioner wants to accomplish; to have the family screen show that one party to the marriage is the natural parent of the children and the other party to the marriage is the adoptive parent or the guardian of the children. Knowing that this program limitation exists, it seems the only way to make sure this information is included is through use of the Notes. This should make the information available to others who read/use the researcher's efforts to provide relationship data. This relationship info will probably (and unfortunately) not appear when the genealogical data is presented in a book report format. Hopefully, some day someone will develop a program, as Alan Jones puts it, "to handle our modern day, mixed and matched families" and unmarried or same sex union parentage. Dick Cazier Lakewood, Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: <HoutsRFred@aol.com> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re: Biological/adoptive parents - again! > > This has been one of those interesting discussions that hasn't really > resolved anything. At least that's the way I see it . . . but still, it's > been fun > to get the different viewpoints on the matter. I appreciate all of you > contributing as you have. > > Just before leaving the topic altogether (I hope) I do have one other > question and, of course, it DOES RELATE -- > > It is this: Does anyone in this PAF-5 users group list actually speak > on > behalf of the PAF-5 developers and/or the LDS Church position on these > matters? That's who really needs to address us on it, don't you think? > (Not that > there aren't many intelligent people among our group. You've all tried > very > hard in your own way to explain your position, your viewpoint, and > sometimes, your "explanation." Once I heard a bunch of people > discussing a Bible > Study group and since there was no theologian or minister among them, it > was > described as a group where "we just all get together and pool our > ignorance." > Not a good thing for Bible Study, I think. But, anyhow, maybe that's > what > we've been doing here -- just "pooling our ignorance" when it would be > nice to > get the official PAF-5 and/or LDS position. > > Fred, Brooklyn Center MN > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > AVG Anti-Virus Users > Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner tab. > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/

BUT the child-parent relationships entered the limited PAF way are likely to be lost in a GEDCOM transfer to other programs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Millar" > PAF does deal with the situation.