I guess I don't understand why people are saying that PAF "does not allow this" or "doesn't make it easy". I do this all the time in PAF and I find it very easy. I suppose the exact step by step directions will vary depending upon what you started with. Let say you have the biological family in PAF, and then the parents divorce or one dies, and the other remarried. You add the person's new spouse. THEN go to the child of the biological parents highlight the child, click on ADD .... OTHER PARENTS.... Select the new step/adoptive parent. In this say window where you select the person, you select the type of parent adoptive, guardian, etc. Alan Jones Mission Viejo, Calif. -----Original Message----- From: HoutsRFred@aol.com [mailto:HoutsRFred@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:32 AM To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re: Biological/Adopted STEWART -- How would printing of Register Reports using COMPANION handle this? It seems the program (software) might be confused by this. Fred ========================== In a message dated 6/4/2005 9:52:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sm999@tiscali.co.uk writes: On the question of one of the biological parents being involved with a new spouse who adopts the children - whilst PAF does not easily allow for this - as previously noted, PAF will only allow a given set of parents to be either biological or adoptive - one way of dealing with it is to create two sets of parents for the child - the true biological parents and a further set of parents involving the new adoptive spouse and the original biological parent. The end result is that the child's paternity can be displayed for the adoptive line - involves one biological and one adopted parent AND alternatively can be displayed for the two biological parents. The common biological parent is the same PAF RIN and does not involve any duplicating of data. PAF will allow you to set one of these paternity links as the Primary parent link which will be automatically displayed as the default - but as required can be switched for on-screen viewing and analysis. Using the "Edit Parents Links" for an adopted child will display the other recorded parents (with RIN id's) - any commonality of parents will make the biological/adopted relationships apparent. Hope this helps. Regards, Stewart ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== AVG Anti-Virus Users Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner tab.

Alan, I tried you method, which is a different one than I suggested yesterday. I used both methods, then viewed the family screen to check the results. The screen for the marriage of the natural parents shows no parent link next to the child's name. According to PAF, no link means they are the natural parents of the child. Checking the family screen for the marriage to the second spouse, the child show up with a parent link as adopted. This usually means that the child has been adopted by both parents, so this would be assumed unless the reader did not search farther. There is no indication on the family screen that one of the parents is the natural parent and the other is an adoptive parent. And I believe that the original question was- how do we get this relationship shown on the family screen. The answer is that PAF doesn't provide a way to make this show. Bottom line is that whether a person uses your method or the one I suggested, the family screen results are exactly the same. The only way to discover the child has multiple parents on the family screen is to either put the adoptive parent in the primary position (where the child will have a parent relationship listed as adopted), put the natural parent in the primary position and check the other marriage, or put the child in the primary position (where an "Other Parents" button will appear above the parent listing on the right hand side). A critical look at any of these will show that the natural parent in each marriage is the same person and the conclusion is that the natural parent did not need to adopt after the second marriage. That's why I suggested adding notes to clarify the situation for the natural parent, adoptive parent and the child. Taht way, if a researcher misses catching it in the search, they will find it in the Notes. Also, adding both last name to the child should also alert someone to this. My way of listing that is "John SMITH (AND) JONES. Try my method and you'll see the results area the same on the family screen. Dick Cazier Lakewood, CO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Jones at home" <alanjones10@cox.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:02 PM Subject: RE: [PAF-5] Re: Biological/Adopted >I guess I don't understand why people are saying that PAF "does not > allow this" or "doesn't make it easy". > I do this all the time in PAF and I find it very easy. > > I suppose the exact step by step directions will vary depending upon > what you started with. > > Let say you have the biological family in PAF, and then the parents > divorce or one dies, and the other remarried. You add the person's new > spouse. THEN go to the child of the biological parents highlight the > child, click on > ADD .... OTHER PARENTS.... Select the new step/adoptive parent. In > this say window where you select the person, you select the type of > parent adoptive, guardian, etc. > > > > Alan Jones > Mission Viejo, Calif. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: HoutsRFred@aol.com [mailto:HoutsRFred@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:32 AM > To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re: Biological/Adopted > > > > STEWART -- How would printing of Register Reports using COMPANION handle > > this? It seems the program (software) might be confused by this. Fred > ========================== In a message dated 6/4/2005 9:52:09 A.M. > Central Daylight Time, > sm999@tiscali.co.uk writes: > > On the question of one of the biological parents being involved with a > new spouse who adopts the children - whilst PAF does not easily allow > for this - as previously noted, PAF will only allow a given set of > parents to be either biological or adoptive - one way of dealing with > it is to create two sets of parents for the child - the true biological > parents and a further set of parents involving the new adoptive spouse > and the original biological parent. > > The end result is that the child's paternity can be displayed for the > adoptive line - involves one biological and one adopted parent AND > alternatively can be displayed for the two biological parents. The > common biological parent is the same PAF RIN and does not involve any > duplicating of data. PAF will allow you to set one of these paternity > links as the Primary parent link which will be automatically displayed > as the default - but as required can be switched for on-screen viewing > and analysis. > > Using the "Edit Parents Links" for an adopted child will display the > other recorded parents (with RIN id's) - any commonality of parents > will make the biological/adopted relationships apparent. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > Stewart > > > > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > AVG Anti-Virus Users > Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner > tab. > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hi Dick, I guess there is something we are doing slightly different, because I do see Guardian or Adopted Under the Parent Link column by the child's name in the family view, where the mother and adoptive step father are listed. I totally agree with you that we need to explain things in the notes. We just can not do everything with fields in the standard forms. I don't like to play with the people's last names as you choose to do . I leave their name as their legal name (this can be not their birth name if it was changed Legally along the way) then in the notes I explain all that. Alan Jones Mission Viejo, Calif. -----Original Message----- From: Dick Cazier [mailto:dcazier@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:34 AM To: Alan Jones at home; PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re: Biological/Adopted Alan, I tried you method, which is a different one than I suggested yesterday. I used both methods, then viewed the family screen to check the results. The screen for the marriage of the natural parents shows no parent link next to the child's name. According to PAF, no link means they are the natural parents of the child. Checking the family screen for the marriage to the second spouse, the child show up with a parent link as adopted. This usually means that the child has been adopted by both parents, so this would be assumed unless the reader did not search farther. There is no indication on the family screen that one of the parents is the natural parent and the other is an adoptive parent. And I believe that the original question was- how do we get this relationship shown on the family screen. The answer is that PAF doesn't provide a way to make this show. Bottom line is that whether a person uses your method or the one I suggested, the family screen results are exactly the same. The only way to discover the child has multiple parents on the family screen is to either put the adoptive parent in the primary position (where the child will have a parent relationship listed as adopted), put the natural parent in the primary position and check the other marriage, or put the child in the primary position (where an "Other Parents" button will appear above the parent listing on the right hand side). A critical look at any of these will show that the natural parent in each marriage is the same person and the conclusion is that the natural parent did not need to adopt after the second marriage. That's why I suggested adding notes to clarify the situation for the natural parent, adoptive parent and the child. Taht way, if a researcher misses catching it in the search, they will find it in the Notes. Also, adding both last name to the child should also alert someone to this. My way of listing that is "John SMITH (AND) JONES. Try my method and you'll see the results area the same on the family screen. Dick Cazier Lakewood, CO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Jones at home" <alanjones10@cox.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:02 PM Subject: RE: [PAF-5] Re: Biological/Adopted >I guess I don't understand why people are saying that PAF "does not >allow this" or "doesn't make it easy". I do this all the time in PAF >and I find it very easy. > > I suppose the exact step by step directions will vary depending upon > what you started with. > > Let say you have the biological family in PAF, and then the parents > divorce or one dies, and the other remarried. You add the person's new > spouse. THEN go to the child of the biological parents highlight the > child, click on > ADD .... OTHER PARENTS.... Select the new step/adoptive parent. In > this say window where you select the person, you select the type of > parent adoptive, guardian, etc. > > > > Alan Jones > Mission Viejo, Calif. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: HoutsRFred@aol.com [mailto:HoutsRFred@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:32 AM > To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re: Biological/Adopted > > > > STEWART -- How would printing of Register Reports using COMPANION > handle > > this? It seems the program (software) might be confused by this. Fred > ========================== In a message dated 6/4/2005 9:52:09 A.M. > Central Daylight Time, sm999@tiscali.co.uk writes: > > On the question of one of the biological parents being involved with > a new spouse who adopts the children - whilst PAF does not easily > allow for this - as previously noted, PAF will only allow a given set > of parents to be either biological or adoptive - one way of dealing > with it is to create two sets of parents for the child - the true > biological parents and a further set of parents involving the new > adoptive spouse and the original biological parent. > > The end result is that the child's paternity can be displayed for the > adoptive line - involves one biological and one adopted parent AND > alternatively can be displayed for the two biological parents. The > common biological parent is the same PAF RIN and does not involve any > duplicating of data. PAF will allow you to set one of these paternity > links as the Primary parent link which will be automatically > displayed as the default - but as required can be switched for > on-screen viewing and analysis. > > Using the "Edit Parents Links" for an adopted child will display the > other recorded parents (with RIN id's) - any commonality of parents > will make the biological/adopted relationships apparent. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > Stewart > > > > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > AVG Anti-Virus Users > Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner > tab. > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > >