No need for concern. The GEDCOM that came from Ancestry.com contained UID tags, which PAF does not recognize. Those tags contain unique ids, but no data that is of concern in a PAF file. Aloha, John On Jan 2, 2011, at 12:43 PM, bdewart@aol.com wrote: > > I recently imported an updated family tree from Ancestry.com to a newly created PAF5 file. (If it matters, most of the info in the Ancestry.com file originally came from a PAF import to an Ancestry.com file.) Anyway, I was impressed at how PAF incorporates info that I had added in my Ancestry.com file. BUT, at the end of the import process, it displayed a "GEDCOM Import Log" listing 2926 errors, most of which looked like the following even though the newly created PAF file looked fine. Should I be concerned? Is this problem readily fixed? > Thanks, > Brian > > <<GEDCOM Import Log - 02 Jan 2011 > File: C:\Users\bdewart\Desktop\Stevenson.GED > Created by: Ancestry.com Family Trees Ancestry.com Family Trees (2010.3) > Submitted by: Unknown > Individuals: 2086 > Marriages: 984 > Sources: 113 > Repositories: 0 > Errors: 2926 > > The following lines in the GEDCOM file could not be processed due to unrecognizable tags or invalid data: > > ERROR 1: Stevenson.GED, line 13: RIN 1: Unexpected tag 'UID' in Individual Record. > > 1 UID 576B444754811041A9E4BC7A15CC91923A26>> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did you really get a GedCom file created? You have to remove the asterisk (*) before .ged when you name it. Lila > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:38:49 -0500 > From: singhals@erols.com > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Sending Gedcom Files > > Joy Hungerford wrote: > > > > Hi, O Helpful Ones > > My cousin and I are attempting to send each other files.I went through the 'export' drill, but my file didn't send.He sent me his file and it appeared as a logo, not with the usualparents and child picture, but with one little face. It won't open. > > I then found that the second file, which I had planned to send him, seemedto have been wiped clean and now appeared with the one-face logo. > > I can open it OK but it hasn't anything in it!!!!I still can't open his file, and of course, he hasn't received the first of my files. > > I really should be able to cope with this. Put it down to the adverse weather conditions in London. . . > > Can anyone help, please? > > > Without more details, I'm guessing, just like Bill did. > > (1) -- after you created the GED did you remember to attach > it to the e-mail you sent him? Just askin', for surety. (g) > > (2) -- can you see the three letters after the . in the file > names? (2a) If not, fix your computer so you CAN see them. > (2b) If so, did he send you a GED or a ZIP? > > (3) if it's a ZIP, you can't just click on it, you have to > use RESTORE from the PAF file memu. > > (4) if it's a GED, you must not have the GED=PAF switch set. > Bill gave instructions for that. > > And if none of this works, come on back and we'll all try again. > > Cheryl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill, That is exactly what I get. I confirm to create the new PAF file and out it comes. I have done it on XP, VISTA, and Windows 7, though on the latter I had to setup the file association (apparently it did not get set with the installation as in the previous versions -- may have to do with the different registry structure of Win 7). When I select a GEDCOM, PAF opens and the first message is: In order to openC:\...\Allison.ged you must create a new PAF file. [OK] I select the OK and then get a file name save menu, and typically I just use the same file name, Allison in this case -- you may have to add the extension or PAF will put in ged instead. Then I select SAVE. The next menu that comes up is The Preferences with the Prepared By tab open. I typically select OK again, though you could change the info at this point if you wish. The final menu is one that asks about the import as 1. Import Notes 2. Include listing file in notes 3. Reuse deleted records The latter is not needed for a new data file since there are no deleted records. I generally import notes. I have never found item (2) to do anything. I have never seen anything in the notes. I just repeated those steps on my XP machine (where I got them for this mail). They are the same steps I did on VISTA and Win 7 earlier today. That is the only reason I made the comment. I think the first time I did this I had just happened to double click on a GEDCOM and PAF came up with all these questions. I found it to be neat. I did give the WARNING about doing it when PAF is open with a data file. In that case the GEDCOM will be imported into the current data file that is open -- possibly bad news as was mentioned by others. Yes, I did it once and it took some time to fix. Fortunately I used the RIN numbers to remove things at the end of my database. Bill From: Bill Buchanan <genealogistbuchanan@gmail.com> > > That is interesting, it doesn't work for me. I have the file association for > GEDCOM set to open in PAF, but when I double-click the GEDCOM file, PAF > gives me an error message: > > "In order to open C:\Users\Bill\Desktop\Waller.ged > you must create a new PAF file." > (which it then offers to do) > I am using Windows Vista (32 bit) and PAF 5.2.18.0. >

Many thanks for the advice you have all so kindly given. I shall wait for a calm moment and give it a try, then let you know how it goes. Kind regards and much gratitude for such a great list Joy

I agree with most of what Bill B. says, particularly importing the GEDCOM to a new PAF data file. However, double clicking on the GEDCOM file should generally set it for import into PAF5, though as I mentioned you may have to set the file association as I did for Win 7. For me, it was already associated in both XP and VISTA. You have to be careful, if PAF is open with a data file, then it will try to import to that data file. If PAF is closed, then it will ask to create a new data file. Of course, the simple way is to open PAF and from the FILE menu create a new PAF file and then do the import there. Bill > Exporting data creates a gedcom file. Most genealogy software cannot open a > gedcom file directly, it is a special file format used for the exporting and > importing of data between different genealogy programs. i.e. double-clicking > a gedcom file will not open it in PAF. To open the gedcom in PAF, > you should firstly create a New PAF data file (File menu > New) with a new > name (so Windows doesn't replace your main PAF data file with the new empty > file), then Import the gedcom file (File menu > Import).

Bill, That is interesting, it doesn't work for me. I have the file association for GEDCOM set to open in PAF, but when I double-click the GEDCOM file, PAF gives me an error message: "In order to open C:\Users\Bill\Desktop\Waller.ged you must create a new PAF file." (which it then offers to do) I am using Windows Vista (32 bit) and PAF 5.2.18.0. Bill Buchanan On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:21 AM, <wadavis@vt.edu> wrote: > I agree with most of what Bill B. says, particularly importing the GEDCOM > to a new PAF data file. However, double clicking on the GEDCOM file > should generally set it for import into PAF5, though as I mentioned you may > have to set the file association as I did for Win 7. For me, it was already > associated in both XP and VISTA. You have to be careful, if PAF is open > with a data file, then it will try to import to that data file. If PAF is > closed, > then it will ask to create a new data file. > > Of course, the simple way is to open PAF and from the FILE menu create a > new PAF file and then do the import there. > > Bill > > > Exporting data creates a gedcom file. Most genealogy software cannot open > a > > gedcom file directly, it is a special file format used for the exporting > and > > importing of data between different genealogy programs. i.e. > double-clicking > > a gedcom file will not open it in PAF. To open the gedcom in PAF, > > you should firstly create a New PAF data file (File menu > New) with a > new > > name (so Windows doesn't replace your main PAF data file with the new > empty > > file), then Import the gedcom file (File menu > Import). > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Bill Buchanan website: http://billbuchanan.byethost17.com blog: http://billbuchanan.blogspot.com

Joy Hungerford wrote: > > Hi, O Helpful Ones > My cousin and I are attempting to send each other files.I went through the 'export' drill, but my file didn't send.He sent me his file and it appeared as a logo, not with the usualparents and child picture, but with one little face. It won't open. > I then found that the second file, which I had planned to send him, seemedto have been wiped clean and now appeared with the one-face logo. > I can open it OK but it hasn't anything in it!!!!I still can't open his file, and of course, he hasn't received the first of my files. > I really should be able to cope with this. Put it down to the adverse weather conditions in London. . . > Can anyone help, please? Without more details, I'm guessing, just like Bill did. (1) -- after you created the GED did you remember to attach it to the e-mail you sent him? Just askin', for surety. (g) (2) -- can you see the three letters after the . in the file names? (2a) If not, fix your computer so you CAN see them. (2b) If so, did he send you a GED or a ZIP? (3) if it's a ZIP, you can't just click on it, you have to use RESTORE from the PAF file memu. (4) if it's a GED, you must not have the GED=PAF switch set. Bill gave instructions for that. And if none of this works, come on back and we'll all try again. Cheryl

Hi, O Helpful Ones My cousin and I are attempting to send each other files.I went through the 'export' drill, but my file didn't send.He sent me his file and it appeared as a logo, not with the usualparents and child picture, but with one little face. It won't open. I then found that the second file, which I had planned to send him, seemedto have been wiped clean and now appeared with the one-face logo. I can open it OK but it hasn't anything in it!!!!I still can't open his file, and of course, he hasn't received the first of my files. I really should be able to cope with this. Put it down to the adverse weather conditions in London. . . Can anyone help, please? Kind regards Joy

Not sure of the steps you used and so I will go the long route. When creating the GEDCOM or any such file, be sure to pay attention to what folder you put it in. After you create the GEDCOM, I would suggest you close your current database and then from the FILE menu in PAF (i.e., don't close PAF, just the database) use IMPORT and create a new database from the GEDCOM. This will check your GEDCOM as valid. I would suggest a name like Temp or such if asked since it is just a test. Then close the new database on open the old one backup. You can quit PAF at this point. The next step is to open your e-mail. Create an e-mail to your cousin and attach the GED file that you just created to send to him. Send it. That is all that should have to be done. Since the GEDCOM is a text file, you can also open it in a text editor such as notepad to check it -- it is just that the import checks the entire process. For any GEDCOM you get from your cousin, simply repeat the process used for the IMPORT above. If PAF is properly setup, then with PAF closed you can also simply double click on the GEDCOM in WIndows Explorer and it should open in PAF. If you do not close PAF first, then the GEDCOM will import to the current database, probably not what you want to do. Note: I just checked this in Win7 and I had to set the file association with PAF. That meant I had to right click, select open with and do a browse to my paf5.exe file. In the past with XP, I did not have to set the association -- it was already done by the install. Bill > > Hi, O Helpful Ones > My cousin and I are attempting to send each other files.I went through the 'export' drill, but my file didn't send.He sent me his file and it appeared as a logo, not with the usualparents and child picture, but with one little face. It won't open. > I then found that the second file, which I had planned to send him, seemedto have been wiped clean and now appeared with the one-face logo. > I can open it OK but it hasn't anything in it!!!!I still can't open his file, and of course, he hasn't received the first of my files. > I really should be able to cope with this. Put it down to the adverse weather conditions in London. . . > Can anyone help, please? > Kind regards > Joy

Joy, Exporting data creates a gedcom file. Most genealogy software cannot open a gedcom file directly, it is a special file format used for the exporting and importing of data between different genealogy programs. i.e. double-clicking a gedcom file will not open it in PAF. To open the gedcom in PAF, you should firstly create a New PAF data file (File menu > New) with a new name (so Windows doesn't replace your main PAF data file with the new empty file), then Import the gedcom file (File menu > Import). It is advisable to always import new data into a newly-created PAF data file, rather than importing it directly into your main PAF data file. That way any "garbage" that doesn't conform to the gedcom 5.5 standard is imported into the new file and stays there. This is especially important if you are importing a gedcom created by programs such as some versions of Family Tree Maker that follow the standard somewhat loosely. Check the new file and see what individuals and lines you wish to bring into your main PAF data file and how they will connect to those in your main PAF data file. (I like to make some good notes at this point.) Export only these lines to a new gedcom, import this gedcom directly into your main PAF data file, and then use your notes to help you link the new individuals to the old ones. By following these steps you should be able to avoid hours of extra work. When creating a gedcom file in PAF, remember to remove the * from the file name, and give the file a name and location that is easily recognizable. The file name must end in ".ged" Let us know how it went. Bill Buchanan On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:38 AM, singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > Joy Hungerford wrote: > > > > Hi, O Helpful Ones > > My cousin and I are attempting to send each other files.I went through > the 'export' drill, but my file didn't send.He sent me his file and it > appeared as a logo, not with the usualparents and child picture, but with > one little face. It won't open. > > I then found that the second file, which I had planned to send him, > seemedto have been wiped clean and now appeared with the one-face logo. > > I can open it OK but it hasn't anything in it!!!!I still can't open his > file, and of course, he hasn't received the first of my files. > > I really should be able to cope with this. Put it down to the adverse > weather conditions in London. . . > > Can anyone help, please? > > > Without more details, I'm guessing, just like Bill did. > > (1) -- after you created the GED did you remember to attach > it to the e-mail you sent him? Just askin', for surety. (g) > > (2) -- can you see the three letters after the . in the file > names? (2a) If not, fix your computer so you CAN see them. > (2b) If so, did he send you a GED or a ZIP? > > (3) if it's a ZIP, you can't just click on it, you have to > use RESTORE from the PAF file memu. > > (4) if it's a GED, you must not have the GED=PAF switch set. > Bill gave instructions for that. > > And if none of this works, come on back and we'll all try again. > > Cheryl > > > >

Hi All, I'm trying to print a book report consisting of one family - parents and their children - including all the sources with the actual text. But I'm having problems making the sources text look "right". In the preview they look fine - for example if I have a census transcript with each person on a new line, they appear that way: 4. Census - England & Wales 1851 (30/31 March), HO107 piece 2381, folio: 441, page 19 Village of West Layton, North Riding of Yorkshire John HODGSON, head, Wid, 78, farmer 11 acres, West Layton, Yorks George HODGSON, son, Mar, 31, labourer, West Layton, Yorks Elizabeth HODGSON, wife, Mar, 22, Hounsby William HODGSON, son, 2 , West Layton, Yorks John HODGSON, son, 9m, West Layton, Yorks But when it is saved as a .rft file all the lines run into each other, like this: 4. Census - England & Wales 1851 (30/31 March), HO107 piece 2381, folio: 441, page 19Village of West Layton, North Riding of YorkshireJohn HODGSON, head, Wid, 78, farmer 11 acres, West Layton, YorksGeorge HODGSON, son, Mar, 31, labourer, West Layton, YorksElizabeth HODGSON, wife, Mar, 22, HounsbyWilliam HODGSON, son, 2 , West Layton, YorksJohn HODGSON, son, 9m, West Layton, Yorks Is there a way round this? Thank you, Rosemary Northumberland UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Yes, any of the scenarios is possible, but the enumerators, both years, seemed to be keeping track of literacy (others on the pages). Mary of 1850 was literate, Nancy of 1860 was not. If it was the other way around, I'd say Nancy had learned to read during the 1850's decade. I still haven't entered the children in PAF because I haven't had time to concentrate on it. This breakthrough came when I had a lot going on. > From: eoakes@blueridge.net > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:04:47 -0500 > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 177 > > You missed a fourth possibility. Mary and Nancy were the same person. The Census has been known > to show one person with two or more different names in different years. > > Elaine Oakes > > >>As for your original question of whose mother is who, I would say there are > 3 obvious possibilities > > Mary died in 1850 or 1851 and Joel married Nancy who is mother of all > children > > Mary died about 1853 possible due to childbirth of second child and William > is her child and all the rests are Nancy's > > Mary died about 1857 and only Amanda belongs to Nancy > > Of course all of these are suppositions and may all be wrong. I was > taught to look for second marriages even if the wife is the same name if there > is a break of 3-5 years between children. The other possibility in children > who did not survive to be listed on the census. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You missed a fourth possibility. Mary and Nancy were the same person. The Census has been known to show one person with two or more different names in different years. Elaine Oakes >>As for your original question of whose mother is who, I would say there are 3 obvious possibilities Mary died in 1850 or 1851 and Joel married Nancy who is mother of all children Mary died about 1853 possible due to childbirth of second child and William is her child and all the rests are Nancy's Mary died about 1857 and only Amanda belongs to Nancy Of course all of these are suppositions and may all be wrong. I was taught to look for second marriages even if the wife is the same name if there is a break of 3-5 years between children. The other possibility in children who did not survive to be listed on the census.

I found Reports>Lists>Multimedia but after I clicked on it, and it finished building the thumbnails, I couldn't see any way to to print that either as a list or as thumbnails? And yes, it's the free in-FHC version, not the essentials one. Cheryl RootsMagic wrote: > RM will extract all the pictures in the FTM file (people, family, > source, citation, etc). There is a multimedia report which lists all > the images that an RM file is linking to, but I'm not sure if that > report is in the free version or not. It would be under Reports> > Lists> Multimedia list. > > - Bruce > http://www.rootsmagic.com > > > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:33 PM, singhals<singhals@erols.com> wrote: >> Well, now, that was slicker'n goose grease. >> >> Perhaps I should work with RM more and figure out where >> you've hidden all the good stuff (g) I had trouble figuring >> out which pictures there were, which added two steps I >> probably didn't need? What was the easier way? >> >> Cheryl >> >> RootsMagic wrote: >>> Just download the free RootsMagic Essentials. It will import the old >>> FTM file and extract the pictures and link to them. You can then >>> export the file to a GEDCOM to import into PAF. >>> >>> http://www.rootsmagic.com/essentials >>> >>> - Bruce >>> http://www.rootsmagic.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:58 PM, singhals<singhals@erols.com> wrote: >>>> Guys'n'gals -- >>>> >>>> I have an OLD cd that has an OLD copy of someone else's OLD >>>> FTM file with images. >>>> >>>> I also have a new Win7 box. The copy of FTM I have won't >>>> install on WIN7. >>>> >>>> There is no way to get a newer copy of the file unless I can >>>> get into this one. >>>> >>>> Will anything else open it and allow me to extract/detach >>>> the images in the scrapbooks so I can get into my PAF file >>>> on the family? And, not incidentally, to verify what this >>>> person sent me is sourced to him? >>>> >>>> Cheryl

And using the break-in-children guideline, there could actually be _3_ wives, not two. William has Mother #1; Isaac & Elizabeth had Mother #2; and Amanda is a singleton. Or, this being the 1860, All the children could belong to Nancy but none of 'em to Joel, because he's her brother. Although the census enumerators /had/ requirements for the order people were to be listed, if the person giving you the information fouled it up, so did the enumerator. Since I've got a headache, I thought I'd share. ;) Cheryl FamRSearch@aol.com wrote: > You cant be sure about the numbering I have seen too many census records > where the head (first person) of a family is listed with the family above. > All sorts of entry errors occurred as they copied their working papers into > the final copies. The first thing that stands out is that they used ditto > marks for the surnames of the second family. Usually dittos are used > within a single family. I would look at the land records. William is listed > as a farm laborer and Joel as a farmer. They may in fact all be on the same > farm. > > As for your original question of whose mother is who, I would say there are > 3 obvious possibilities > > Mary died in 1850 or 1851 and Joel married Nancy who is mother of all > children > > Mary died about 1853 possible due to childbirth of second child and William > is her child and all the rests are Nancy's > > Mary died about 1857 and only Amanda belongs to Nancy > > Of course all of these are suppositions and may all be wrong. I was > taught to look for second marriages even if the wife is the same name if there > is a break of 3-5 years between children. The other possibility in children > who did not survive to be listed on the census. > > Have you followed any of the other children to see if you can find > information on their parents? > > Julia > > > In a message dated 12/7/2010 7:50:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > lilagarner@hotmail.com writes: > > > Sorry I didn't reply earlier, Julia. Hotmail has begun to bunch all > messages together, and I only now saw your reply > > My belief is that Elizabeth Denton was living with the "Dauphin" (Daffron) > family, because the household number for William Denton is *after* > Elizabeth's name. > > Since Nancy is not with Jonathan and Elizabeth Denton in 1850, she either > isn't their daughter, was living elsewhere, or wasn't even a Denton. > >> From: FamRSearch@aol.com >> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 08:21:18 -0500 >> To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Inderminate mother >> >> Did you notice that in 1850 Census, just above your Joel Daffron (age > 20) >> and Mary (age 18), is the family of Jonathan Denton (age 58? and > Elizabeth >> (age 58) Jonas (age 32) and Isaac (age 14). >> >> This matches the Elizabeth Denton (age 67) living with Joel Dauphin (age >> 35) in 1860 census. However, notice next person listed after Elizabeth > is >> William Denton (age 37) with Martha (age 47). So was she living with > Joel >> Dauphin or William Denton? >> >> Julia >> >> >> In a message dated 12/6/2010 7:27:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> singhals@erols.com writes: >> >> Lila Garner wrote: >>> >>> Hi Listers, >> > >>> Someone has helped me find my William Dafford after a 25-year search. > He >> knew his name was "not exactly right" but there is enough evidence to >> connect him to Joel Daffron. Joel "Dauphin" is found on the 1850 census > of >> Hamilton county, Tennessee; Joel "Doffin" in 1860 (I've added the > variations on >> the indexes at Ancestry.) >>> >>> Joel had a wife Mary 18, born Tennessee, literate, in 1850. >>> >>> William was 8 in 1860, and Joel now had a non-literate wife Nancy, 25, >> born Tennessee. >> > >>> 1860, Hamilton County, Tennessee >>> Joel 35 born Tennessee >>> Nancy 25 born Tennessee >>> William 8 born Illinois (mine--we knew he was born in Illinois) >>> Isaac 5 born Georgia >>> Elizabeth 4 born Tennessee >>> Amanda 6/12 born Tennessee >>> Elizabeth Denton 67 born Tennessee >>> >> > The Hamilton county courthouse burned and there are no marriage > records >> available, nor probate etc. There are deeds and I'm going to order them >> tomorrow. >>> >>> How will I decide which children belong to Mary and which to Nancy? >> Nothing in the Illinois Statewide Marriage Index works. Naturally I'd > like >> Nancy to be William's mother because, with the Denton lady in the house, > it's a >> clue that Nancy *may* have been a Denton. >>> >>> I'd really like to enter William's siblings (and/or half-siblings) > into >> PAF, but I don't know which wife to give them to. >>> >>> Lila >> >> So, like what you are going to DO with the data once it's in >> PAF? That affects whether what I'm about to say will work >> for you or not. >> >> IF the only thing you're putting into the database is what >> you intend to take to Temple (if you're LDS) or what you've >> proven with an affadavit from St. Peter (if you're not LDS), >> just click NEXT or DELE now. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you're using your database as I do for a filing system >> (g), this will at least get everyone in there: >> >> Attach all children to the first wife (because she's the one >> who will appear first all the time in PAF), then the ones >> you have some serious questions about, mark the parent link >> as CHALLENGED. On Daddy, each wife, and each child, put >> into the NOTES the following statement : "Until it can be >> determined which wife bore which child, for the convenience >> of the genealogist, all children are listed with the first >> marriage. As the parents are proven, the correction will be >> made." >> >> Then, for giggles, check the 1870 and 1880 census for >> everyone. I gotta tell you Tennessee to Illinois to Georgia >> to Tennessee is a bit peculiar. Ms. Denton could as easily >> be Dad's maiden aunt or a 3rd cousin twice removed as his >> mother-in-law. >> >> FWIW >> >> Cheryl

Well, now, that was slicker'n goose grease. Perhaps I should work with RM more and figure out where you've hidden all the good stuff (g) I had trouble figuring out which pictures there were, which added two steps I probably didn't need? What was the easier way? Cheryl RootsMagic wrote: > Just download the free RootsMagic Essentials. It will import the old > FTM file and extract the pictures and link to them. You can then > export the file to a GEDCOM to import into PAF. > > http://www.rootsmagic.com/essentials > > - Bruce > http://www.rootsmagic.com > > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:58 PM, singhals<singhals@erols.com> wrote: >> Guys'n'gals -- >> >> I have an OLD cd that has an OLD copy of someone else's OLD >> FTM file with images. >> >> I also have a new Win7 box. The copy of FTM I have won't >> install on WIN7. >> >> There is no way to get a newer copy of the file unless I can >> get into this one. >> >> Will anything else open it and allow me to extract/detach >> the images in the scrapbooks so I can get into my PAF file >> on the family? And, not incidentally, to verify what this >> person sent me is sourced to him? >> >> Cheryl

That is the media gallery (Lists > Media gallery). You want to do Reports > Lists > Multimedia list. - Bruce http://www.rootsmagic.com On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:02 PM, singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > I found Reports>Lists>Multimedia  but after I clicked on it, > and it finished building the thumbnails, I couldn't see any > way to to print that either as a list or as thumbnails? > > And yes, it's the free in-FHC version, not the essentials one. > > Cheryl > > RootsMagic wrote: >> RM will extract all the pictures in the FTM file (people, family, >> source, citation, etc).  There is a multimedia report which lists all >> the images that an RM file is linking to, but I'm not sure if that >> report is in the free version or not.  It would be under Reports> >> Lists>  Multimedia list. >> >> - Bruce >> http://www.rootsmagic.com >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:33 PM, singhals<singhals@erols.com>  wrote: >>> Well, now, that was slicker'n goose grease. >>> >>> Perhaps I should work with RM more and figure out where >>> you've hidden all the good stuff (g)  I had trouble figuring >>> out which pictures there were, which added two steps I >>> probably didn't need?  What was the easier way? >>> >>> Cheryl >>> >>> RootsMagic wrote: >>>> Just download the free RootsMagic Essentials.  It will import the old >>>> FTM file and extract the pictures and link to them.  You can then >>>> export the file to a GEDCOM to import into PAF. >>>> >>>> http://www.rootsmagic.com/essentials >>>> >>>> - Bruce >>>> http://www.rootsmagic.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:58 PM, singhals<singhals@erols.com>    wrote: >>>>> Guys'n'gals -- >>>>> >>>>> I have an OLD cd that has an OLD copy of someone else's OLD >>>>> FTM file with images. >>>>> >>>>> I also have a new Win7 box.  The copy of FTM I have won't >>>>> install on WIN7. >>>>> >>>>> There is no way to get a newer copy of the file unless I can >>>>> get into this one. >>>>> >>>>> Will anything else open it and allow me to extract/detach >>>>> the images in the scrapbooks so I can get into my PAF file >>>>> on the family?  And, not incidentally, to verify what this >>>>> person sent me is sourced to him? >>>>> >>>>> Cheryl > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

RM will extract all the pictures in the FTM file (people, family, source, citation, etc). There is a multimedia report which lists all the images that an RM file is linking to, but I'm not sure if that report is in the free version or not. It would be under Reports > Lists > Multimedia list. - Bruce http://www.rootsmagic.com On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:33 PM, singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > Well, now, that was slicker'n goose grease. > > Perhaps I should work with RM more and figure out where > you've hidden all the good stuff (g)  I had trouble figuring > out which pictures there were, which added two steps I > probably didn't need?  What was the easier way? > > Cheryl > > RootsMagic wrote: >> Just download the free RootsMagic Essentials.  It will import the old >> FTM file and extract the pictures and link to them.  You can then >> export the file to a GEDCOM to import into PAF. >> >> http://www.rootsmagic.com/essentials >> >> - Bruce >> http://www.rootsmagic.com >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:58 PM, singhals<singhals@erols.com>  wrote: >>> Guys'n'gals -- >>> >>> I have an OLD cd that has an OLD copy of someone else's OLD >>> FTM file with images. >>> >>> I also have a new Win7 box.  The copy of FTM I have won't >>> install on WIN7. >>> >>> There is no way to get a newer copy of the file unless I can >>> get into this one. >>> >>> Will anything else open it and allow me to extract/detach >>> the images in the scrapbooks so I can get into my PAF file >>> on the family?  And, not incidentally, to verify what this >>> person sent me is sourced to him? >>> >>> Cheryl > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You cant be sure about the numbering I have seen too many census records where the head (first person) of a family is listed with the family above. All sorts of entry errors occurred as they copied their working papers into the final copies. The first thing that stands out is that they used ditto marks for the surnames of the second family. Usually dittos are used within a single family. I would look at the land records. William is listed as a farm laborer and Joel as a farmer. They may in fact all be on the same farm. As for your original question of whose mother is who, I would say there are 3 obvious possibilities Mary died in 1850 or 1851 and Joel married Nancy who is mother of all children Mary died about 1853 possible due to childbirth of second child and William is her child and all the rests are Nancy's Mary died about 1857 and only Amanda belongs to Nancy Of course all of these are suppositions and may all be wrong. I was taught to look for second marriages even if the wife is the same name if there is a break of 3-5 years between children. The other possibility in children who did not survive to be listed on the census. Have you followed any of the other children to see if you can find information on their parents? Julia In a message dated 12/7/2010 7:50:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lilagarner@hotmail.com writes: Sorry I didn't reply earlier, Julia. Hotmail has begun to bunch all messages together, and I only now saw your reply My belief is that Elizabeth Denton was living with the "Dauphin" (Daffron) family, because the household number for William Denton is *after* Elizabeth's name. Since Nancy is not with Jonathan and Elizabeth Denton in 1850, she either isn't their daughter, was living elsewhere, or wasn't even a Denton. > From: FamRSearch@aol.com > Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 08:21:18 -0500 > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Inderminate mother > > Did you notice that in 1850 Census, just above your Joel Daffron (age 20) > and Mary (age 18), is the family of Jonathan Denton (age 58? and Elizabeth > (age 58) Jonas (age 32) and Isaac (age 14). > > This matches the Elizabeth Denton (age 67) living with Joel Dauphin (age > 35) in 1860 census. However, notice next person listed after Elizabeth is > William Denton (age 37) with Martha (age 47). So was she living with Joel > Dauphin or William Denton? > > Julia > > > In a message dated 12/6/2010 7:27:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > singhals@erols.com writes: > > Lila Garner wrote: > > > > Hi Listers, > > > > Someone has helped me find my William Dafford after a 25-year search. He > knew his name was "not exactly right" but there is enough evidence to > connect him to Joel Daffron. Joel "Dauphin" is found on the 1850 census of > Hamilton county, Tennessee; Joel "Doffin" in 1860 (I've added the variations on > the indexes at Ancestry.) > > > > Joel had a wife Mary 18, born Tennessee, literate, in 1850. > > > > William was 8 in 1860, and Joel now had a non-literate wife Nancy, 25, > born Tennessee. > > > > 1860, Hamilton County, Tennessee > > Joel 35 born Tennessee > > Nancy 25 born Tennessee > > William 8 born Illinois (mine--we knew he was born in Illinois) > > Isaac 5 born Georgia > > Elizabeth 4 born Tennessee > > Amanda 6/12 born Tennessee > > Elizabeth Denton 67 born Tennessee > > > > The Hamilton county courthouse burned and there are no marriage records > available, nor probate etc. There are deeds and I'm going to order them > tomorrow. > > > > How will I decide which children belong to Mary and which to Nancy? > Nothing in the Illinois Statewide Marriage Index works. Naturally I'd like > Nancy to be William's mother because, with the Denton lady in the house, it's a > clue that Nancy *may* have been a Denton. > > > > I'd really like to enter William's siblings (and/or half-siblings) into > PAF, but I don't know which wife to give them to. > > > > Lila > > So, like what you are going to DO with the data once it's in > PAF? That affects whether what I'm about to say will work > for you or not. > > IF the only thing you're putting into the database is what > you intend to take to Temple (if you're LDS) or what you've > proven with an affadavit from St. Peter (if you're not LDS), > just click NEXT or DELE now. > > > > > > > If you're using your database as I do for a filing system > (g), this will at least get everyone in there: > > Attach all children to the first wife (because she's the one > who will appear first all the time in PAF), then the ones > you have some serious questions about, mark the parent link > as CHALLENGED. On Daddy, each wife, and each child, put > into the NOTES the following statement : "Until it can be > determined which wife bore which child, for the convenience > of the genealogist, all children are listed with the first > marriage. As the parents are proven, the correction will be > made." > > Then, for giggles, check the 1870 and 1880 census for > everyone. I gotta tell you Tennessee to Illinois to Georgia > to Tennessee is a bit peculiar. Ms. Denton could as easily > be Dad's maiden aunt or a 3rd cousin twice removed as his > mother-in-law. > > FWIW > > Cheryl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry I didn't reply earlier, Julia. Hotmail has begun to bunch all messages together, and I only now saw your reply My belief is that Elizabeth Denton was living with the "Dauphin" (Daffron) family, because the household number for William Denton is *after* Elizabeth's name. Since Nancy is not with Jonathan and Elizabeth Denton in 1850, she either isn't their daughter, was living elsewhere, or wasn't even a Denton. > From: FamRSearch@aol.com > Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 08:21:18 -0500 > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Inderminate mother > > Did you notice that in 1850 Census, just above your Joel Daffron (age 20) > and Mary (age 18), is the family of Jonathan Denton (age 58? and Elizabeth > (age 58) Jonas (age 32) and Isaac (age 14). > > This matches the Elizabeth Denton (age 67) living with Joel Dauphin (age > 35) in 1860 census. However, notice next person listed after Elizabeth is > William Denton (age 37) with Martha (age 47). So was she living with Joel > Dauphin or William Denton? > > Julia > > > In a message dated 12/6/2010 7:27:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > singhals@erols.com writes: > > Lila Garner wrote: > > > > Hi Listers, > > > > Someone has helped me find my William Dafford after a 25-year search. He > knew his name was "not exactly right" but there is enough evidence to > connect him to Joel Daffron. Joel "Dauphin" is found on the 1850 census of > Hamilton county, Tennessee; Joel "Doffin" in 1860 (I've added the variations on > the indexes at Ancestry.) > > > > Joel had a wife Mary 18, born Tennessee, literate, in 1850. > > > > William was 8 in 1860, and Joel now had a non-literate wife Nancy, 25, > born Tennessee. > > > > 1860, Hamilton County, Tennessee > > Joel 35 born Tennessee > > Nancy 25 born Tennessee > > William 8 born Illinois (mine--we knew he was born in Illinois) > > Isaac 5 born Georgia > > Elizabeth 4 born Tennessee > > Amanda 6/12 born Tennessee > > Elizabeth Denton 67 born Tennessee > > > > The Hamilton county courthouse burned and there are no marriage records > available, nor probate etc. There are deeds and I'm going to order them > tomorrow. > > > > How will I decide which children belong to Mary and which to Nancy? > Nothing in the Illinois Statewide Marriage Index works. Naturally I'd like > Nancy to be William's mother because, with the Denton lady in the house, it's a > clue that Nancy *may* have been a Denton. > > > > I'd really like to enter William's siblings (and/or half-siblings) into > PAF, but I don't know which wife to give them to. > > > > Lila > > So, like what you are going to DO with the data once it's in > PAF? That affects whether what I'm about to say will work > for you or not. > > IF the only thing you're putting into the database is what > you intend to take to Temple (if you're LDS) or what you've > proven with an affadavit from St. Peter (if you're not LDS), > just click NEXT or DELE now. > > > > > > > If you're using your database as I do for a filing system > (g), this will at least get everyone in there: > > Attach all children to the first wife (because she's the one > who will appear first all the time in PAF), then the ones > you have some serious questions about, mark the parent link > as CHALLENGED. On Daddy, each wife, and each child, put > into the NOTES the following statement : "Until it can be > determined which wife bore which child, for the convenience > of the genealogist, all children are listed with the first > marriage. As the parents are proven, the correction will be > made." > > Then, for giggles, check the 1870 and 1880 census for > everyone. I gotta tell you Tennessee to Illinois to Georgia > to Tennessee is a bit peculiar. Ms. Denton could as easily > be Dad's maiden aunt or a 3rd cousin twice removed as his > mother-in-law. > > FWIW > > Cheryl > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message