Some of you may remember my question of several days ago when, after importing a gedcom and merging it into my Ethel file, I seem to have lost a whole bunch of names that had previously been in my Ethel file. I got suggestions & helps from several of you but before I had a chance to put them to work, I finished doing a match/murge on 11 pages of "possible duplicate individuals" that were in the gedcom & my Ethel file And no, none of the previously missing people were on that list. but just as those names had mysteriously disappeared they mysteriously reappeared! And no, I hadn't been drinking or dreaming; was quite lucid all times. I don't expect an explanation, just rejoice with me! Ethel in Nebraska In a message dated 2/18/2011 12:18:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, jonesr007@hawaii.rr.com writes: Do you trust the source of the PAF File? The warning you are getting is a standard Microsoft security warning. For the most part it is telling you that the program has not been "blessed" by Microsoft because they haven't submitted it (long with the fees) to fet the blessing. If you downloaded the program froma trusted source, then it will be OK, Aloh Wayne, NH6K -----Original Message----- From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marg & Neil Andrews Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:15 AM To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf Thanks for your advice Lynn. I am trying not to panic! However I cannot open my own Paf file - nothing happens when I click on the icon. so I can't read the Paf instructions. I have 2 new icons on desktop - one with the new downloaded but uninstalled file which comes up with Security Warning saying the publisher could not be verified - choose Run or Cancel. And the other icon is the one for my niece's Paf which opens to the same page as John Walden gets -" an opening screen with a photo of a dozen or so people in a family environment but can not get anything more" My inclination is to delete the new download which incidentally is called PAF5English setup - does that sound right? ----- Original Message ----- From: <lemow@email.com> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > Marg, > Don't panic. > > You should not need more than one copy of the PAF program files on your > computer. The latest version of PAF is 5.2.18. Downoanding and > installing an updated copy of the PAF program should not impact your data > files. They are probably still on your computer. > > If I understand right what you want to do is to have more than one data > file. Yours and your neices. A data file is different that the program > files. > > What I suppect happened is that you did not set your preferences the same > in the new downloaded program as they were in your old program. Click on > tools. Click on preferences, Click on folders. The top line should list > the location of your data files. Make this entry the same in your new > program as it was in your old program. You should then be able to open > your data file. > > To read about preferences start PAF, click on help in the top menu line > and click on user's guide. When it opens scroll down the menu on the left > side until you see preferences. Click on that and read up on to do it. > > To use more than one data file just make sure they have different names. > > Good luck > Lynn > -----Original Message----- > From: Marg & Neil Andrews <margay@tadaust.org.au> > To: PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 5:56 am > Subject: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > > Hi everyone, > am helping a niece in NZ with her research and thought it would be a good > idea > o download > nother Paf file onto my computer to fill in her tree. > I have the new one downloaded but not installed yet, because I must have > done > omething stupid in the process as now I can't open my own Paf file (or any > ack-up dvd's either). > ave I somehow uninstalled the original PAF program? > s the new download overruling my own records? > am hesitant to continue on the installation of the new download as I no > longer > eel confident about what I need to do. My old version of PAF is 5.0 and > I > hink the new one is the same. > am using Windows XP. > If anyone can help solve my problem or suggest where I can go (apart from > to a > ental Asylum thinking > have lost many years of work), > would very much appreciate some help. > Marg Andrews Queensland Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ya-ooh!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Genbug6607@aol.com> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 3:58 PM Subject: [PAF-5] lost names returned > Some of you may remember my question of several days ago when, after > importing a gedcom and merging it into my Ethel file, I seem to have lost > a > whole bunch of names that had previously been in my Ethel file. I got > suggestions & helps from several of you but before I had a chance to put > them to > work, I finished doing a match/murge on 11 pages of "possible duplicate > individuals" that were in the gedcom & my Ethel file And no, none of the > previously missing people were on that list. but just as those names had > mysteriously disappeared they mysteriously reappeared! And no, I hadn't > been > drinking or dreaming; was quite lucid all times. I don't expect an > explanation, just rejoice with me! > > Ethel in Nebraska > > > In a message dated 2/18/2011 12:18:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, > jonesr007@hawaii.rr.com writes: > > Do you trust the source of the PAF File? The warning you are getting is > a > standard Microsoft security warning. For the most part it is telling you > that the program has not been "blessed" by Microsoft because they haven't > submitted it (long with the fees) to fet the blessing. If you downloaded > the program froma trusted source, then it will be OK, > > Aloh > Wayne, NH6K > > -----Original Message----- > From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marg & Neil > Andrews > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:15 AM > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > Thanks for your advice Lynn. I am trying not to panic! > However I cannot open my own Paf file - nothing happens when I click on > the > icon. so I can't read the Paf instructions. > I have 2 new icons on desktop - one with the new downloaded but > uninstalled > file which > comes up with Security Warning saying the publisher could not be verified > - > choose Run or Cancel. > And the other icon is the one for my niece's Paf which opens to the same > page as John Walden gets -" an opening screen with a photo of a dozen or > so > people in a family environment but can not get anything more" > My inclination is to delete the new download which incidentally is called > PAF5English setup - does > that sound right? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <lemow@email.com> > To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:26 PM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > >> >> Marg, >> Don't panic. >> >> You should not need more than one copy of the PAF program files on your >> computer. The latest version of PAF is 5.2.18. Downoanding and >> installing an updated copy of the PAF program should not impact your >> data >> files. They are probably still on your computer. >> >> If I understand right what you want to do is to have more than one data >> file. Yours and your neices. A data file is different that the program >> files. >> >> What I suppect happened is that you did not set your preferences the >> same >> in the new downloaded program as they were in your old program. Click > on >> tools. Click on preferences, Click on folders. The top line should list >> the location of your data files. Make this entry the same in your new >> program as it was in your old program. You should then be able to open >> your data file. >> >> To read about preferences start PAF, click on help in the top menu line >> and click on user's guide. When it opens scroll down the menu on the > left >> side until you see preferences. Click on that and read up on to do it. >> >> To use more than one data file just make sure they have different names. >> >> Good luck >> Lynn >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marg & Neil Andrews <margay@tadaust.org.au> >> To: PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 5:56 am >> Subject: [PAF-5] lost Paf >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> am helping a niece in NZ with her research and thought it would be a >> good >> idea >> o download >> nother Paf file onto my computer to fill in her tree. >> I have the new one downloaded but not installed yet, because I must >> have >> done >> omething stupid in the process as now I can't open my own Paf file (or > any >> ack-up dvd's either). >> ave I somehow uninstalled the original PAF program? >> s the new download overruling my own records? >> am hesitant to continue on the installation of the new download as I no >> longer >> eel confident about what I need to do. My old version of PAF is 5.0 >> and >> I >> hink the new one is the same. >> am using Windows XP. >> If anyone can help solve my problem or suggest where I can go (apart >> from >> to a >> ental Asylum thinking >> have lost many years of work), >> would very much appreciate some help. >> Marg Andrews Queensland Australia. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3451 - Release Date: 02/18/11 >

I cannot open my Paf file Maureen. Nothing happens when I click on the icons!! Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen J. Cook" <moggiewa@bigpond.com> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf > Hi Marg > All you had to do was open your paf file - go to file, (top left hand > corner) click on that, a drop down file opens and then choose 'new'. Do > hope > you have not lost any of your own family tree. > > Cheers > Maureen Cook > Western Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marg & Neil Andrews > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 8:56 PM > To: PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > Hi everyone, > I am helping a niece in NZ with her research and thought it would be a > good > idea to download > another Paf file onto my computer to fill in her tree. > > I have the new one downloaded but not installed yet, because I must have > done something stupid in the process as now I can't open my own Paf file > (or > any back-up dvd's either). > Have I somehow uninstalled the original PAF program? > Is the new download overruling my own records? > I am hesitant to continue on the installation of the new download as I no > longer feel confident about what I need to do. My old version of PAF is > 5.0 and I think the new one is the same. > I am using Windows XP. > > If anyone can help solve my problem or suggest where I can go (apart from > to > a Mental Asylum thinking > I have lost many years of work), > I would very much appreciate some help. > Marg Andrews Queensland Australia.

If you have the typical installation, then select Start>Programs>FamilySearch>PAF and start PAF5. It should open with the last file you were using unless you closed that file before quiting PAF5. In any case, you can then select File>Open and select the appropriate PAF file. I would not delete the download, but keep it in case you decide to reinstall. It is always a good idea to keep copies of program files you install for future use. So you might already have the file on your system some place else (that is why it is a good idea to use the default download folder in Windows or oen you create to do the same thing). Before reinstalling, I would suggest you go to the START>Control Panel>Add Remove Programs (or Programs and Features in VISTA and Win7) and select remove/change of PAF5. When it opens up select English (or the language you desire) and then a repair and that should fix your issues. If you get nothing with the icon select, you might try to use the right button on the icon (I am assuming this is a PAF file -- I never use this method of opening my PAF files) and select Open With, then select PAF5. Bill > Thanks for your advice Lynn. I am trying not to panic! > However I cannot open my own Paf file - nothing happens when I click on the > icon. so I can't read the Paf instructions. > I have 2 new icons on desktop - one with the new downloaded but uninstalled > file which > comes up with Security Warning saying the publisher could not be verified - > choose Run or Cancel. > And the other icon is the one for my niece's Paf which opens to the same > page as John Walden gets -" an opening screen with a photo of a dozen or so > people in a family environment but can not get anything more" > My inclination is to delete the new download which incidentally is called > PAF5English setup - does > that sound right? > > > Marg, > > Don't panic. > > > > You should not need more than one copy of the PAF program files on your > > computer. The latest version of PAF is 5.2.18. Downoanding and > > installing an updated copy of the PAF program should not impact your data > > files. They are probably still on your computer. > > > > If I understand right what you want to do is to have more than one data > > file. Yours and your neices. A data file is different that the program > > files. > > > > What I suppect happened is that you did not set your preferences the same > > in the new downloaded program as they were in your old program. Click on > > tools. Click on preferences, Click on folders. The top line should list > > the location of your data files. Make this entry the same in your new > > program as it was in your old program. You should then be able to open > > your data file. > > > > To read about preferences start PAF, click on help in the top menu line > > and click on user's guide. When it opens scroll down the menu on the left > > side until you see preferences. Click on that and read up on to do it. > > > > To use more than one data file just make sure they have different names. > > > > Good luck > > Lynn

If something has damaged the PAF software installed on your computer, the simplest thing is to uninstall/remove it, then install PAF again from the download. (Your Windows Security may not be able to verify the source of the download, but YOU know where you downloaded it from, right?) Removing the PAF software will not remove your PAF data files. Once PAF is reinstalled, everything should work normally again. Bill Buchanan On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:28 AM, <wadavis@vt.edu> wrote: > > If you have the typical installation, then select > Start>Programs>FamilySearch>PAF and start PAF5. It should open with the > last > file you were using unless you closed that file before quiting PAF5. In > any > case, you can then select File>Open and select the appropriate PAF file. > > I would not delete the download, but keep it in case you decide to > reinstall. It is always a good idea to keep copies of program files you > install for future use. So you might already have the file on your system > some place else (that is why it is a good idea to use the default > download > folder in Windows or oen you create to do the same thing). Before > reinstalling, I would suggest you go to the START>Control Panel>Add > Remove > Programs (or Programs and Features in VISTA and Win7) and select > remove/change of PAF5. When it opens up select English (or the language > you > desire) and then a repair and that should fix your issues. > > If you get nothing with the icon select, you might try to use the right > button on the icon (I am assuming this is a PAF file -- I never use this > method of opening my PAF files) and select Open With, then select PAF5. > > Bill > > > Thanks for your advice Lynn. I am trying not to panic! > > > However I cannot open my own Paf file - nothing happens when I click on > the > > > icon. so I can't read the Paf instructions. > > > I have 2 new icons on desktop - one with the new downloaded but > uninstalled > > > file which > > > comes up with Security Warning saying the publisher could not be > verified > - > > > choose Run or Cancel. > > > And the other icon is the one for my niece's Paf which opens to the > same > > > page as John Walden gets -" an opening screen with a photo of a dozen > or > so > > > people in a family environment but can not get anything more" > > > My inclination is to delete the new download which incidentally is > called > > > PAF5English setup - does > > > that sound right? > > > > > > > Marg, > > > > Don't panic. > > > > > > > > You should not need more than one copy of the PAF program files on > your > > > > computer. The latest version of PAF is 5.2.18. Downoanding and > > > > installing an updated copy of the PAF program should not impact your > data > > > > files. They are probably still on your computer. > > > > > > > > If I understand right what you want to do is to have more than one > data > > > > file. Yours and your neices. A data file is different that the > program > > > > files. > > > > > > > > What I suppect happened is that you did not set your preferences the > same > > > > in the new downloaded program as they were in your old program. > Click > on > > > > tools. Click on preferences, Click on folders. The top line should > list > > > > the location of your data files. Make this entry the same in your > new > > > > program as it was in your old program. You should then be able to > open > > > > your data file. > > > > > > > > To read about preferences start PAF, click on help in the top menu > line > > > > and click on user's guide. When it opens scroll down the menu on the > left > > > > side until you see preferences. Click on that and read up on to do > it. > > > > > > > > To use more than one data file just make sure they have different > names. > > > > > > > > Good luck > > > > Lynn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Do you trust the source of the PAF File? The warning you are getting is a standard Microsoft security warning. For the most part it is telling you that the program has not been "blessed" by Microsoft because they haven't submitted it (long with the fees) to fet the blessing. If you downloaded the program froma trusted source, then it will be OK, Aloh Wayne, NH6K -----Original Message----- From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marg & Neil Andrews Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:15 AM To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf Thanks for your advice Lynn. I am trying not to panic! However I cannot open my own Paf file - nothing happens when I click on the icon. so I can't read the Paf instructions. I have 2 new icons on desktop - one with the new downloaded but uninstalled file which comes up with Security Warning saying the publisher could not be verified - choose Run or Cancel. And the other icon is the one for my niece's Paf which opens to the same page as John Walden gets -" an opening screen with a photo of a dozen or so people in a family environment but can not get anything more" My inclination is to delete the new download which incidentally is called PAF5English setup - does that sound right? ----- Original Message ----- From: <lemow@email.com> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > Marg, > Don't panic. > > You should not need more than one copy of the PAF program files on your > computer. The latest version of PAF is 5.2.18. Downoanding and > installing an updated copy of the PAF program should not impact your data > files. They are probably still on your computer. > > If I understand right what you want to do is to have more than one data > file. Yours and your neices. A data file is different that the program > files. > > What I suppect happened is that you did not set your preferences the same > in the new downloaded program as they were in your old program. Click on > tools. Click on preferences, Click on folders. The top line should list > the location of your data files. Make this entry the same in your new > program as it was in your old program. You should then be able to open > your data file. > > To read about preferences start PAF, click on help in the top menu line > and click on user's guide. When it opens scroll down the menu on the left > side until you see preferences. Click on that and read up on to do it. > > To use more than one data file just make sure they have different names. > > Good luck > Lynn > -----Original Message----- > From: Marg & Neil Andrews <margay@tadaust.org.au> > To: PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 5:56 am > Subject: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > > Hi everyone, > am helping a niece in NZ with her research and thought it would be a good > idea > o download > nother Paf file onto my computer to fill in her tree. > I have the new one downloaded but not installed yet, because I must have > done > omething stupid in the process as now I can't open my own Paf file (or any > ack-up dvd's either). > ave I somehow uninstalled the original PAF program? > s the new download overruling my own records? > am hesitant to continue on the installation of the new download as I no > longer > eel confident about what I need to do. My old version of PAF is 5.0 and > I > hink the new one is the same. > am using Windows XP. > If anyone can help solve my problem or suggest where I can go (apart from > to a > ental Asylum thinking > have lost many years of work), > would very much appreciate some help. > Marg Andrews Queensland Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The two Bills gave you the corrrect advice. Do NOT delete the PAF5EnglishSetup.exe file. In fact, burn it to a CD or save it on a flash drive in case you ever need to reinstall, change computers, etc. Follow these steps (a repeat of their advice, just put in cookbook fashion): 1. START>Control Panel>Add Remove Programs (or Programs and Features in VISTA and Win7) and uninstall PAF 5 (I would prefer a full uninstall rather than a repair) 2. Reboot the computer. 3. Run that PAF5EnglishSetup file. Ignore those security warnings. They are coming because it is a downloaded file and are intended to warn people when something bogus is happening, but it is confusing because they also pop up with legitimate programs. You know you downloaded the file and it is from a reputable source so you can approve and run the file with no worries. Gary Templeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marg & Neil Andrews" <margay@tadaust.org.au> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf > Thanks for your advice Lynn. I am trying not to panic! > However I cannot open my own Paf file - nothing happens when I click on > the > icon. so I can't read the Paf instructions. > I have 2 new icons on desktop - one with the new downloaded but > uninstalled > file which > comes up with Security Warning saying the publisher could not be > verified - > choose Run or Cancel. > And the other icon is the one for my niece's Paf which opens to the same > page as John Walden gets -" an opening screen with a photo of a dozen or > so > people in a family environment but can not get anything more" > My inclination is to delete the new download which incidentally is called > PAF5English setup - does > that sound right? >

Hi everyone, I am helping a niece in NZ with her research and thought it would be a good idea to download another Paf file onto my computer to fill in her tree. I have the new one downloaded but not installed yet, because I must have done something stupid in the process as now I can't open my own Paf file (or any back-up dvd's either). Have I somehow uninstalled the original PAF program? Is the new download overruling my own records? I am hesitant to continue on the installation of the new download as I no longer feel confident about what I need to do. My old version of PAF is 5.0 and I think the new one is the same. I am using Windows XP. If anyone can help solve my problem or suggest where I can go (apart from to a Mental Asylum thinking I have lost many years of work), I would very much appreciate some help. Marg Andrews Queensland Australia.

Hi Marg All you had to do was open your paf file - go to file, (top left hand corner) click on that, a drop down file opens and then choose 'new'. Do hope you have not lost any of your own family tree. Cheers Maureen Cook Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marg & Neil Andrews Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 8:56 PM To: PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] lost Paf Hi everyone, I am helping a niece in NZ with her research and thought it would be a good idea to download another Paf file onto my computer to fill in her tree. I have the new one downloaded but not installed yet, because I must have done something stupid in the process as now I can't open my own Paf file (or any back-up dvd's either). Have I somehow uninstalled the original PAF program? Is the new download overruling my own records? I am hesitant to continue on the installation of the new download as I no longer feel confident about what I need to do. My old version of PAF is 5.0 and I think the new one is the same. I am using Windows XP. If anyone can help solve my problem or suggest where I can go (apart from to a Mental Asylum thinking I have lost many years of work), I would very much appreciate some help. Marg Andrews Queensland Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Bill for the information. Reinstalling PAF again corrected the problem. John Walden

Marg & Neil Andrews wrote: > Hi everyone, > I am helping a niece in NZ with her research and thought it would be a good idea to download > another Paf file onto my computer to fill in her tree. > > I have the new one downloaded but not installed yet, because I must have done something stupid in the process as now I can't open my own Paf file (or any back-up dvd's either). > Have I somehow uninstalled the original PAF program? > Is the new download overruling my own records? > I am hesitant to continue on the installation of the new download as I no longer feel confident about what I need to do. My old version of PAF is 5.0 and I think the new one is the same. > I am using Windows XP. > > If anyone can help solve my problem or suggest where I can go (apart from to a Mental Asylum thinking > I have lost many years of work), > I would very much appreciate some help. > Marg Andrews Queensland Australia. Marg? Maybe it's my bad-brain week, but it sounds as if you d/l the program just so you could open a new set of people? If you did that, you really really didn't need to. You can create a separate file for your niece's stuff, by clicking FILE/NEW and giving it a name like Niece1. Other than that, I would agree that when you re-installed PAF, it probably overwrote all your old preferences, such as where to look for your file. Open PAF, close whatever database opens, which ought to get you to a post-card-sized box in the middle of the window with assorted options. Pick FIND and OK and it'll find all the .paf files on your system. [ or, open Windows Explorer and tell IT to find all files with .paf in the name. Cheryl

I wanted to capture a large family photo of gggrampa's family. The framed photo was big enough that when I took it out of the frame my scanner could scan only part of it. I did 4 scans, 1 from each corner, and then a 5th scan along one side just to tie it all together and fed the 5 jpeg files into a program called 'autostich' and it automatically recognized how the several images overlapped and stitched them all together to produce on image file that combined all of the image. http://www.photo-freeware.net/autostitch.php ( noted an advertising link to another product that claims to do about the same thing. And they have a free version too.)

John, what happens when you start the program from the Start menu? Start > Programs > FamilySearch > PAF 5 Same thing or different? If it installated correctly, that photo should be replaced in a few seconds with a large menu, where you can click on Cancel to enter the program. If this does not happen uninstall PAF and install it again. Bill Buchanan On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 1:20 PM, John Walden <j-walden@att.net> wrote: > I just down loaded the newest version of PAF and installed it with no > problems. However, when I click on the icon to open the program, I get an > opening screen with a photo of a dozen or so people in a family environment > but can not get anything more. Any advice with be appreciated. > > John Walden > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just down loaded the newest version of PAF and installed it with no problems. However, when I click on the icon to open the program, I get an opening screen with a photo of a dozen or so people in a family environment but can not get anything more. Any advice with be appreciated. John Walden

Marg, Don't panic. You should not need more than one copy of the PAF program files on your computer. The latest version of PAF is 5.2.18. Downoanding and installing an updated copy of the PAF program should not impact your data files. They are probably still on your computer. If I understand right what you want to do is to have more than one data file. Yours and your neices. A data file is different that the program files. What I suppect happened is that you did not set your preferences the same in the new downloaded program as they were in your old program. Click on tools. Click on preferences, Click on folders. The top line should list the location of your data files. Make this entry the same in your new program as it was in your old program. You should then be able to open your data file. To read about preferences start PAF, click on help in the top menu line and click on user's guide. When it opens scroll down the menu on the left side until you see preferences. Click on that and read up on to do it. To use more than one data file just make sure they have different names. Good luck Lynn -----Original Message----- From: Marg & Neil Andrews <margay@tadaust.org.au> To: PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 5:56 am Subject: [PAF-5] lost Paf Hi everyone, am helping a niece in NZ with her research and thought it would be a good idea o download nother Paf file onto my computer to fill in her tree. I have the new one downloaded but not installed yet, because I must have done omething stupid in the process as now I can't open my own Paf file (or any ack-up dvd's either). ave I somehow uninstalled the original PAF program? s the new download overruling my own records? am hesitant to continue on the installation of the new download as I no longer eel confident about what I need to do. My old version of PAF is 5.0 and I hink the new one is the same. am using Windows XP. If anyone can help solve my problem or suggest where I can go (apart from to a ental Asylum thinking have lost many years of work), would very much appreciate some help. arg Andrews Queensland Australia. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Thanks to all who offered solutions. i'll study the suggestions & let you know how it all comes out. Ethel In a message dated 2/8/2011 2:46:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, Genbug6607@aol.com writes: Always good practical suggestions, Cheryl. Thank you. In a message dated 2/8/2011 12:41:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, singhals@erols.com writes: Lynn and Marie wrote: > > Ethel, > I think you have stumped us. > > Before your do anything make several copies of your best backup file. Don't restore yet just make copies. > > One other thing. Open each file and click on file and then properties. See how many individuals and marriages are in each file. > > I'm not like Bill. I'm not afraid of typing in data. > Lynn I don't think Bill's afraid of typing in data; I think Bill's reluctant to waste time typing in 200 or 300 people worth of data and NOTES and sources, when MERGE can do it faster and more accurately. I know that's /my/ attitude, and I can type fast enough to overflow most buffers. Meanwhile, seems to me that if there's a file named HARPER and one called ETHEL, one ought to be able to open them side by side and use the ever-popular Copy'n'paste to expedite moving data. Cheryl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Always good practical suggestions, Cheryl. Thank you. In a message dated 2/8/2011 12:41:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, singhals@erols.com writes: Lynn and Marie wrote: > > Ethel, > I think you have stumped us. > > Before your do anything make several copies of your best backup file. Don't restore yet just make copies. > > One other thing. Open each file and click on file and then properties. See how many individuals and marriages are in each file. > > I'm not like Bill. I'm not afraid of typing in data. > Lynn I don't think Bill's afraid of typing in data; I think Bill's reluctant to waste time typing in 200 or 300 people worth of data and NOTES and sources, when MERGE can do it faster and more accurately. I know that's /my/ attitude, and I can type fast enough to overflow most buffers. Meanwhile, seems to me that if there's a file named HARPER and one called ETHEL, one ought to be able to open them side by side and use the ever-popular Copy'n'paste to expedite moving data. Cheryl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

*AT A GUESS* and it is only a guess -- the Ethel file you opened was an earlier version of the Ethel file you wanted. This would explain why data you thought was there isn't. I just discovered that I've got one PAF filename with a space in it "His name.paf", and a second one "Hisname.paf". No clue how that happened or why. I just know it caused me grief last week when I opened Hisname but needed His name. :( Yes, when you add people from one database into another, the RINs of those people change. The RIN is nothing more than a sequence marker for who you added /to THIS database/ first. Cheryl Genbug6607@aol.com wrote: > Here is a step by step account of what I did and this is in response to > Bill's letter too. > First I made a new folder for the gedcom I had received, I called it my > Harper family. > Next I imported that gedcom into the new folder, called My Harper family. > Then I arranged them side by side in windows to look at both of them, but I > found it hard to see the connections that way, so I exited both windows > and then imported the Harper gedcom into my Ethel data file. then I set > about checking for duplicates and made a list of them and started merging > duplicates.. At that point the duplicates list gave both his (Harper) RINs and > my Ethel RINS so it looked alright except that my Ethel RIN numbers had all > been changed from those i originally had. (Is that normal?) That's when I > checked back to see how different the numbers were I found many of my people > missing, for instance i had my father's line back to the immigrant > ancestor but now it went back just 3 generations; I then searched randomly for > other names i knew should be there& they weren't. > Since then, i've looked at the list of files that i can find when I click > on the"file" menu and there was one there for Ethel but not the one i had > merged into.(It was an earlier one) i could open that Ethel folder and > everything in it was OK except it does not include my most recent work. I > have that on the backup I made just before I started on this. but now i'm > afraid to restore it for fear I"ll do more damage. > > any thoughts now? > > Puzzled, Ethel > > > In a message dated 2/6/2011 9:21:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, > lemow@email.com writes: > > > Ethel, > It sounds to me like you imported the GEDCOM file into a new file and then > saved it with the name of your old file. But to be sure please give us a > step by step sequence of how you think you did it including any warnings > you may have gotten. When you say you merged it into your old file you leave > us wondering just what you did to merge it. You can not merge two data > files. You have to import one into the other. > Lynn > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Genbug6607@aol.com > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, Feb 6, 2011 6:44 pm > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] mergeing > > > First into a new file and then merged it into my existing file. Ethel > > > n a message dated 2/5/2011 9:05:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, > emow@email.com writes: > > thel, > id you import the GEDCOM into your existing file or a new file? > ynn > > > > ----Original Message----- > rom: Genbug6607@aol.com > o: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > ent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 6:22 pm > ubject: Re: [PAF-5] mergeing > > his is about merging but not the problem being discussed here. i just > rged a gedcom into my database and it appears that I have lost all of my > ople who were not related to those I merged. Of course , I made a > ackup > fore I began and will use it, but i can't understand why this would > ppen. I don't recall it happening before. Where did i go wrong? > thel in Nebraska > > a message dated 2/5/2011 6:59:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, > a1935@yahoo.ca writes: > ook under Options. There are check boxes that list what you might want > o > erge. > ultimedia is in the list. If you do not check some of them, then you > uld loose that topic. > hould have included that step before. :-( > ea > -- On Fri, 2/4/11, Earl Park<parkj052@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: > From: Earl Park<parkj052@hawaii.rr.com> > ubject: Re: [PAF-5] mergeing > o: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > eceived: Friday, February 4, 2011, 6:08 PM > eant to ask, if I have a image and > ther things like notes will it merge > hem also? > Thanks for the great tip. > arl > > ---- Original Message ----- > rom: "Bea"<bea1935@yahoo.ca> > o:<paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> > ent: Friday, February 04, 2011 2:45 AM > ubject: Re: [PAF-5] mergeing > > ince you say the two sources are not identical, you have > o edit them until > hey match. > 1) Under Edit, click on Sources > 2) Look for the sources that are mismatched. If you began > he titles > ifferently, correct the titles so they appear the same and > hey will show > p one affter the other. > 3) Then edit the one that is least correct (spaces and > uncutation count in > rrors) > 4) Once done then try out the merge sources again. > 5) If you have trouble finding the cause of a mismatch, try > aking a copy > nd paste of each line in the good source and paste it into > he bad one in > ts proper place. The problems often occur because of a > isplaced space or > omma. > Bea > > --- On Fri, 2/4/11, Earl Park<parkj052@hawaii.rr.com> > rote: >> From: Earl Park<parkj052@hawaii.rr.com> > Subject: [PAF-5] mergeing > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Received: Friday, February 4, 2011, 4:18 AM > Aloha All, > > Is there a way to merge two different sources into one > ike > we do with > individuals? > > I made a mistake and created a same second source with > > slightly different > name when I already had that one. > > I see where there is a item under the "Tools" dropdown > enu > "Merge Duplicate > Sources and Citations" I have clicked on it and it > did something but not > what I wanted to do. What it did I have no clue what > ever it did it did it > 31 times, ha... > > Any thoughts.... > Thanks > Earl

Lynn and Marie wrote: > > Ethel, > I think you have stumped us. > > Before your do anything make several copies of your best backup file. Don't restore yet just make copies. > > One other thing. Open each file and click on file and then properties. See how many individuals and marriages are in each file. > > I'm not like Bill. I'm not afraid of typing in data. > Lynn I don't think Bill's afraid of typing in data; I think Bill's reluctant to waste time typing in 200 or 300 people worth of data and NOTES and sources, when MERGE can do it faster and more accurately. I know that's /my/ attitude, and I can type fast enough to overflow most buffers. Meanwhile, seems to me that if there's a file named HARPER and one called ETHEL, one ought to be able to open them side by side and use the ever-popular Copy'n'paste to expedite moving data. Cheryl

Ethel, One more suggestion. Since we are not having any luck diagnosing your problem from a distance why done you see if your local consultant will come to your home and go through the sequence with you. Sometimes seeing the situation first hand is helpful. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: Lynn and Marie <lemow@email.com> To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:14 am Subject: Re: [PAF-5] mergeing thel, think you have stumped us. Before your do anything make several copies of your best backup file. Don't estore yet just make copies. One other thing. Open each file and click on file and then properties. See how any individuals and marriages are in each file. I'm not like Bill. I'm not afraid of typing in data. ynn ----Original Message----- rom: Bill Buchanan <genealogistbuchanan@gmail.com> o: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com ent: Mon, Feb 7, 2011 9:40 pm ubject: Re: [PAF-5] mergeing thel, f you restore using a new file name it can't do any harm. But if you store using the same file name, Windows will replace your current file th the newly-restored one, if it is located in the same folder. ome researchers, after having trouble with imports and merges, decide to oid them entirely and type in the new people, working from a printed copy. a large number of people are involved, I don't have that degree of tience. rsonally I never import directly into my main file until I have used a mporary file to check out the gedcom, decide which specific lines to port from the temporary file, and planned how to connect them with my nes. (names and birth dates and relationships of the connecting people). ssing-up my entire family tree is the thing I dread most of all. Careless rging has that danger. At the best of times, after merging 20 people or , I start losing my concentration. So I do merging, but I keep it to an solute minimum. I have seen spectacular successes with automatic merges, d spectacular disasters. set of printed pedigree charts can show you which lines you are interested . Mark them on the pedigree charts. Then just export only these lines from e temporary file, and import them into you main file. Your marked pedigree arts can be your roadmap when you are linking or merging the new people to your family tree. ill Buchanan n Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 7:49 PM, <Genbug6607@aol.com> wrote: Here is a step by step account of what I did and this is in response to Bill's letter too. First I made a new folder for the gedcom I had received, I called it my Harper family. Next I imported that gedcom into the new folder, called My Harper family. Then I arranged them side by side in windows to look at both of them, but I found it hard to see the connections that way, so I exited both windows and then imported the Harper gedcom into my Ethel data file. then I set about checking for duplicates and made a list of them and started merging duplicates.. At that point the duplicates list gave both his (Harper) RINs and my Ethel RINS so it looked alright except that my Ethel RIN numbers had all been changed from those i originally had. (Is that normal?) That's when I checked back to see how different the numbers were I found many of my people missing, for instance i had my father's line back to the immigrant ancestor but now it went back just 3 generations; I then searched randomly for other names i knew should be there & they weren't. Since then, i've looked at the list of files that i can find when I click on the"file" menu and there was one there for Ethel but not the one i had merged into.(It was an earlier one) i could open that Ethel folder and everything in it was OK except it does not include my most recent work. I have that on the backup I made just before I started on this. but now i'm afraid to restore it for fear I"ll do more damage. any thoughts now? Puzzled, Ethel In a message dated 2/6/2011 9:21:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, lemow@email.com writes: Ethel, It sounds to me like you imported the GEDCOM file into a new file and then saved it with the name of your old file. But to be sure please give us a step by step sequence of how you think you did it including any warnings you may have gotten. When you say you merged it into your old file you leave us wondering just what you did to merge it. You can not merge two data files. You have to import one into the other. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: Genbug6607@aol.com To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, Feb 6, 2011 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [PAF-5] mergeing First into a new file and then merged it into my existing file. Ethel n a message dated 2/5/2011 9:05:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, emow@email.com writes: thel, id you import the GEDCOM into your existing file or a new file? ynn ----Original Message----- rom: Genbug6607@aol.com o: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com ent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 6:22 pm ubject: Re: [PAF-5] mergeing his is about merging but not the problem being discussed here. i just rged a gedcom into my database and it appears that I have lost all of my ople who were not related to those I merged. Of course , I made a ackup fore I began and will use it, but i can't understand why this would ppen. I don't recall it happening before. Where did i go wrong? thel in Nebraska a message dated 2/5/2011 6:59:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, a1935@yahoo.ca writes: ook under Options. There are check boxes that list what you might want o erge. ultimedia is in the list. If you do not check some of them, then you uld loose that topic. hould have included that step before. :-( ea -- On Fri, 2/4/11, Earl Park <parkj052@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: From: Earl Park <parkj052@hawaii.rr.com> ubject: Re: [PAF-5] mergeing o: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com eceived: Friday, February 4, 2011, 6:08 PM eant to ask, if I have a image and ther things like notes will it merge hem also? Thanks for the great tip. arl ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Bea" <bea1935@yahoo.ca> o: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> ent: Friday, February 04, 2011 2:45 AM ubject: Re: [PAF-5] mergeing ince you say the two sources are not identical, you have o edit them until hey match. 1) Under Edit, click on Sources 2) Look for the sources that are mismatched. If you began he titles ifferently, correct the titles so they appear the same and hey will show p one affter the other. 3) Then edit the one that is least correct (spaces and uncutation count in rrors) 4) Once done then try out the merge sources again. 5) If you have trouble finding the cause of a mismatch, try aking a copy nd paste of each line in the good source and paste it into he bad one in ts proper place. The problems often occur because of a isplaced space or omma. Bea --- On Fri, 2/4/11, Earl Park <parkj052@hawaii.rr.com> rote: > From: Earl Park <parkj052@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: [PAF-5] mergeing To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com Received: Friday, February 4, 2011, 4:18 AM Aloha All, Is there a way to merge two different sources into one ike we do with individuals? I made a mistake and created a same second source with slightly different name when I already had that one. I see where there is a item under the "Tools" dropdown enu "Merge Duplicate Sources and Citations" I have clicked on it and it did something but not what I wanted to do. What it did I have no clue what ever it did it did it 31 times, ha... Any thoughts.... Thanks Earl ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message