I don't think Sue has ever used a GEDCOM file with Family Tree Maker. Believe me it doesn't move the Notes and other non basic data to the proper location. For that reason I don't use FTM as I know they developed their own version for GEDCOM files. Ross GH Cotton Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 Skype me at - Cottonian Library Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma I haven't sent an attachment if the details aren't mentioned above GOONS member responsible for tracking the surname COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide See http://home.comcast.net/~Cottondna/ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sue Maxwell" <smaxwl@earthlink.net> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 4:34 PM To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Life of PAF > There are several great genealogy data managers out there. All of the > major ones (if not all of them) follow the current gedcom standards. I > think most of us know that genealogy has surpassed the existing gedcom > restrictions. FamilySearch as well as another group of genealogists are > now working on updating the gedcom standards. I'm sure that as soon as > that happens all the vendors will implement those new standards into > their existing software programs. They ALL transfer data that are > covered in the gedcom standard. > > Genealogy has been moving at such lightening speed that we get > frustrated when parts don't move as fast as we want them too. I guess > it's a test of our patience! > > When it comes to passing data back and forth between different software > packages the problem usually lies in the new bells and whistles we all > want, but not every program has the ability to handle every other > software's new features. It takes time and cooperation between them all. > So the fact that new gedcom standards are being developed will move us > closer to having better collaboration between programs and each other. > > I don't think the issue is necessarily which program you choose to > migrate to, but rather acquiring the patience to look at each one and > determine which one meets the majority of your needs. And today, it > costs nothing to check out the other major programs. They each have a > free version and all the family history centers have the full programs > for you to test your data on. So, take your data and test it with each > of the software programs. Just remember to use a copy of your data to do > the testing. You will always have your original. > > Sue > > On 2/20/2011 9:37 AM, B.H. Kemp wrote: >> Thank you, Sue Maxwell, for the info. >> >> It would be interesting to know what the List members chose for their new >> Program...... >> >> Roots Magic is being pushed hard by our local GS, and I have read reviews >> on several programs that they don't convert/accept Gedcom well, requiring >> many manual corrections. >> >> Betsy Hare Kemp > -- > > Sue Maxwell > http://granitegenealogy.blogspot.com/ > Vice President - Utah Genealogical Association > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Use the icon in the START>Programs menu to start PAF. As an alternative, open Windows Explorer and go to the familysearch folder (typically in the Program Files folder) and find the PAF5.exe file, then select and run it. That should open PAF. If that does not work, then you need to either repair or reinstall the PAF program. You can also right click on a PAF data file and select OPEN With, selecting PAF5 as the default program. It may be that your file associations in Windows got messed up, particularly if you have been playing around with some other genealogy programs to try them out. Bill > I cannot open my Paf file Maureen. > Nothing happens when I click on the icons!! > Marg

So -- if you started genealogy in your 20's like I did, if you started in 1885 as you said, you must be close to being an ancestor yourself -- and the oldest person Alive -- some where about 140 years old <G> Aloha and long life! Wayne, NH6K -----Original Message----- From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Boudreaux Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:01 PM To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Life of PAF Hi: I have been doing genealogy since about 1885, I started out with PAF-2.1 and progressed to PAF 3.0 which I still use as my primary program. I have tried dozens of other programs, including PAF-4 and PAF-5 and can't find an easier or simpler program that works closer to the way I think. I also have Roots Magic,. which has a lot of great features, such as you can color code a person's ancestors or descendants with one click. That is a very handy feature in order to find who are all the descendants of your progenitor ancestor. In order to do this I just make a gedcom and import it to Roots Magic and check them. I have used Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Family Tree Maker and dozens of other programs over the years but stick with old 1997 PAF-3. If you want a program to be able to handle pictures and documents you need a more advanced program. I have not used Ancestral Quest in a long time, but it has a great advantage in that your data is compatible with PAF. There are free versions available of most of the above programs, it would be worth while to try them with just adding a couple dozen of your ancestry in them and see how you like them. Don Boudreaux Lafayette, La. On 2/20/2011 6:16 PM, Marg & Neil Andrews wrote: > I'm getting old and don't want to change from PAF, but I have > just introduced it to my niece. Perhaps it would be wise for her > to start her recording in a new program rather than having to learn > how to gedcom (I still haven't learnt that in ????? years!) > > Two listers have given Ancestry Quest a plug so that's sounding good. > Does anyone know what Brothers Keeper is like and any others. > > I tried a program years ago and hated it - could have been FTM - > from memory it came up in yellow. > Marg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Maxwell"<smaxwl@earthlink.net> > To:<paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Life of PAF > > >> I'm so sorry...I forget! Not everyone agrees with me that FTM isn't one >> of the majors. haha. I totally agree with you on that one. They are very >> proprietary in what they do and how they work. I gave up on FTM many, >> many years ago. And I don't think they have changed their focus either. >> >> Sue >> >> On 2/20/2011 3:09 PM, Ross G. H. Cotton wrote: >>> I don't think Sue has ever used a GEDCOM file with Family Tree Maker. >>> Believe me it doesn't move the Notes and other non basic data to the >>> proper >>> location. For that reason I don't use FTM as I know they developed their >>> own version for GEDCOM files. >>> Ross GH Cotton Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 > >> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Sue Maxwell"<smaxwl@earthlink.net> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 4:34 PM >>> To:<paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Life of PAF >>> >>>> There are several great genealogy data managers out there. All of the >>>> major ones (if not all of them) follow the current gedcom standards. I >>>> think most of us know that genealogy has surpassed the existing gedcom >>>> restrictions. FamilySearch as well as another group of genealogists are >>>> now working on updating the gedcom standards. I'm sure that as soon as >>>> that happens all the vendors will implement those new standards into >>>> their existing software programs. They ALL transfer data that are >>>> covered in the gedcom standard. >>>> >>>> Genealogy has been moving at such lightening speed that we get >>>> frustrated when parts don't move as fast as we want them too. I guess >>>> it's a test of our patience! >>>> >>>> When it comes to passing data back and forth between different software >>>> packages the problem usually lies in the new bells and whistles we all >>>> want, but not every program has the ability to handle every other >>>> software's new features. It takes time and cooperation between them all. >>>> So the fact that new gedcom standards are being developed will move us >>>> closer to having better collaboration between programs and each other. >>>> >>>> I don't think the issue is necessarily which program you choose to >>>> migrate to, but rather acquiring the patience to look at each one and >>>> determine which one meets the majority of your needs. And today, it >>>> costs nothing to check out the other major programs. They each have a >>>> free version and all the family history centers have the full programs >>>> for you to test your data on. So, take your data and test it with each >>>> of the software programs. Just remember to use a copy of your data to do >>>> the testing. You will always have your original. >>>> >>>> Sue >>>> >>>> On 2/20/2011 9:37 AM, B.H. Kemp wrote: >>>>> Thank you, Sue Maxwell, for the info. >>>>> >>>>> It would be interesting to know what the List members chose for their >>>>> new >>>>> Program...... >>>>> >>>>> Roots Magic is being pushed hard by our local GS, and I have read >>>>> reviews >>>>> on several programs that they don't convert/accept Gedcom well, >>>>> requiring >>>>> many manual corrections. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3456 - Release Date: 02/20/11 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I started with PAF, and have stayed with it. I have a bunch of other genealogy software like FTM 2008, FTM 2009, Ancestral Quest, Family Insight and some others. I enter information and people every day and I use PAF 5.2.18 exclusively. The reason I have the other genealogy programs is so I can read other peoples files. I do NOT import anything into my data base, I add everything by hand only after I verify that information. Just a personal preference I have nothing against importing stuff I just like to "trust but verify", if you know what I mean. I can also say that this board has taught me more than one person or book could ever do. I thank you all for that. I have no plans on moving my data to other programs permanently. I, like others use other programs to look at my data and in some cases fix my data, but I always come back to PAF to do my real work. I have no plans of moving to any other board either. I hope I have been of some help like this, in the past, adding my 2-cents worth. I would truly be saddened if PAF and this board were to be no more. I will be loyal as long as my backup of my PAF program holds up. I will always be looking for that perfect software to compare to my PAF program until then I'm PAF all the way. Aloha, Earl in Hawaii ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marg & Neil Andrews" <margay@tadaust.org.au> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Life of PAF > I'm getting old and don't want to change from PAF, but I have > just introduced it to my niece. Perhaps it would be wise for her > to start her recording in a new program rather than having to learn > how to gedcom (I still haven't learnt that in ????? years!) > > Two listers have given Ancestry Quest a plug so that's sounding good. > Does anyone know what Brothers Keeper is like and any others. > > I tried a program years ago and hated it - could have been FTM - > from memory it came up in yellow. > Marg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Maxwell" <smaxwl@earthlink.net> > To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Life of PAF > > >> I'm so sorry...I forget! Not everyone agrees with me that FTM isn't one >> of the majors. haha. I totally agree with you on that one. They are very >> proprietary in what they do and how they work. I gave up on FTM many, >> many years ago. And I don't think they have changed their focus either. >> >> Sue >> >> On 2/20/2011 3:09 PM, Ross G. H. Cotton wrote: >>> I don't think Sue has ever used a GEDCOM file with Family Tree Maker. >>> Believe me it doesn't move the Notes and other non basic data to the >>> proper >>> location. For that reason I don't use FTM as I know they developed >>> their >>> own version for GEDCOM files. >>> Ross GH Cotton Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 > >> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Sue Maxwell"<smaxwl@earthlink.net> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 4:34 PM >>> To:<paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Life of PAF >>> >>>> There are several great genealogy data managers out there. All of the >>>> major ones (if not all of them) follow the current gedcom standards. I >>>> think most of us know that genealogy has surpassed the existing gedcom >>>> restrictions. FamilySearch as well as another group of genealogists are >>>> now working on updating the gedcom standards. I'm sure that as soon as >>>> that happens all the vendors will implement those new standards into >>>> their existing software programs. They ALL transfer data that are >>>> covered in the gedcom standard. >>>> >>>> Genealogy has been moving at such lightening speed that we get >>>> frustrated when parts don't move as fast as we want them too. I guess >>>> it's a test of our patience! >>>> >>>> When it comes to passing data back and forth between different software >>>> packages the problem usually lies in the new bells and whistles we all >>>> want, but not every program has the ability to handle every other >>>> software's new features. It takes time and cooperation between them >>>> all. >>>> So the fact that new gedcom standards are being developed will move us >>>> closer to having better collaboration between programs and each other. >>>> >>>> I don't think the issue is necessarily which program you choose to >>>> migrate to, but rather acquiring the patience to look at each one and >>>> determine which one meets the majority of your needs. And today, it >>>> costs nothing to check out the other major programs. They each have a >>>> free version and all the family history centers have the full programs >>>> for you to test your data on. So, take your data and test it with each >>>> of the software programs. Just remember to use a copy of your data to >>>> do >>>> the testing. You will always have your original. >>>> >>>> Sue >>>> >>>> On 2/20/2011 9:37 AM, B.H. Kemp wrote: >>>>> Thank you, Sue Maxwell, for the info. >>>>> >>>>> It would be interesting to know what the List members chose for their >>>>> new >>>>> Program...... >>>>> >>>>> Roots Magic is being pushed hard by our local GS, and I have read >>>>> reviews >>>>> on several programs that they don't convert/accept Gedcom well, >>>>> requiring >>>>> many manual corrections. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3455 - Release Date: 02/20/11 >

I'm so sorry...I forget! Not everyone agrees with me that FTM isn't one of the majors. haha. I totally agree with you on that one. They are very proprietary in what they do and how they work. I gave up on FTM many, many years ago. And I don't think they have changed their focus either. Sue On 2/20/2011 3:09 PM, Ross G. H. Cotton wrote: > I don't think Sue has ever used a GEDCOM file with Family Tree Maker. > Believe me it doesn't move the Notes and other non basic data to the proper > location. For that reason I don't use FTM as I know they developed their > own version for GEDCOM files. > > > Ross GH Cotton Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 > Skype me at - Cottonian Library > Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma > I haven't sent an attachment if the details aren't mentioned above > > GOONS member responsible for tracking the surname COTTON, #1437 > Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide > See http://home.comcast.net/~Cottondna/ > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Sue Maxwell"<smaxwl@earthlink.net> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 4:34 PM > To:<paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Life of PAF > >> There are several great genealogy data managers out there. All of the >> major ones (if not all of them) follow the current gedcom standards. I >> think most of us know that genealogy has surpassed the existing gedcom >> restrictions. FamilySearch as well as another group of genealogists are >> now working on updating the gedcom standards. I'm sure that as soon as >> that happens all the vendors will implement those new standards into >> their existing software programs. They ALL transfer data that are >> covered in the gedcom standard. >> >> Genealogy has been moving at such lightening speed that we get >> frustrated when parts don't move as fast as we want them too. I guess >> it's a test of our patience! >> >> When it comes to passing data back and forth between different software >> packages the problem usually lies in the new bells and whistles we all >> want, but not every program has the ability to handle every other >> software's new features. It takes time and cooperation between them all. >> So the fact that new gedcom standards are being developed will move us >> closer to having better collaboration between programs and each other. >> >> I don't think the issue is necessarily which program you choose to >> migrate to, but rather acquiring the patience to look at each one and >> determine which one meets the majority of your needs. And today, it >> costs nothing to check out the other major programs. They each have a >> free version and all the family history centers have the full programs >> for you to test your data on. So, take your data and test it with each >> of the software programs. Just remember to use a copy of your data to do >> the testing. You will always have your original. >> >> Sue >> >> On 2/20/2011 9:37 AM, B.H. Kemp wrote: >>> Thank you, Sue Maxwell, for the info. >>> >>> It would be interesting to know what the List members chose for their new >>> Program...... >>> >>> Roots Magic is being pushed hard by our local GS, and I have read reviews >>> on several programs that they don't convert/accept Gedcom well, requiring >>> many manual corrections. >>> >>> Betsy Hare Kemp >> -- >> >> Sue Maxwell >> http://granitegenealogy.blogspot.com/ >> Vice President - Utah Genealogical Association >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Sue Maxwell http://granitegenealogy.blogspot.com/ Vice President - Utah Genealogical Association

On Feb 20, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Lila Garner wrote: > > I asked a research pal for a printed Pedigree Chart. She uses FTM, and what I received was nothing like what I needed. Maybe she didn't understand what I wanted, but when we discussed it, she couldn't find any other report that seemed to fit the bill. I tried FTM and hated it. One reason: no way to put a family's children in order, without birthdates (which I didn't have, but knew birth order). Lila I'm not sure which version of FTM your research pal was using, but you can easily put the children in the order you like using the current version of FTM. On the Family view there are up and down arrows above the list of children. You select a child and use the up or down arrow to move them to the position you like. And this works the same on both the Windows and Mac version of FTM. I think that all of the major desktop genealogy programs, including PAF, do the job quite well. And while this may be heresy to some, I include Family Tree Maker in that list. Aloha, John

There are several great genealogy data managers out there. All of the major ones (if not all of them) follow the current gedcom standards. I think most of us know that genealogy has surpassed the existing gedcom restrictions. FamilySearch as well as another group of genealogists are now working on updating the gedcom standards. I'm sure that as soon as that happens all the vendors will implement those new standards into their existing software programs. They ALL transfer data that are covered in the gedcom standard. Genealogy has been moving at such lightening speed that we get frustrated when parts don't move as fast as we want them too. I guess it's a test of our patience! When it comes to passing data back and forth between different software packages the problem usually lies in the new bells and whistles we all want, but not every program has the ability to handle every other software's new features. It takes time and cooperation between them all. So the fact that new gedcom standards are being developed will move us closer to having better collaboration between programs and each other. I don't think the issue is necessarily which program you choose to migrate to, but rather acquiring the patience to look at each one and determine which one meets the majority of your needs. And today, it costs nothing to check out the other major programs. They each have a free version and all the family history centers have the full programs for you to test your data on. So, take your data and test it with each of the software programs. Just remember to use a copy of your data to do the testing. You will always have your original. Sue On 2/20/2011 9:37 AM, B.H. Kemp wrote: > Thank you, Sue Maxwell, for the info. > > It would be interesting to know what the List members chose for their new Program...... > > Roots Magic is being pushed hard by our local GS, and I have read reviews on several programs that they don't convert/accept Gedcom well, requiring many manual corrections. > > Betsy Hare Kemp -- Sue Maxwell http://granitegenealogy.blogspot.com/ Vice President - Utah Genealogical Association

I have many genealogy programs available on my computer and I am sure, that if and when I change from PAF it will be to Ancestral Quest. I use it now as a extra facility or subordinate program with my PAF data for any of its additional features, as it saves any changes I make to the data as, a PAF file. The only thing I use Roots Magic for is when I want to make an excellent large Wall Chart. However to my knowledge they still haven't mastered the problems of using it with Windows 7. Ross GH Cotton Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 Skype me at - Cottonian Library Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma I haven't sent an attachment if the details aren't mentioned above GOONS member responsible for tracking the surname COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide See http://home.comcast.net/~Cottondna/ -------------------------------------------------- From: "B.H. Kemp" <bkgenea@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 11:37 AM To: <PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com> Subject: [PAF-5] Life of PAF > Thank you, Sue Maxwell, for the info. > > It would be interesting to know what the List members chose for their new > Program...... > > Roots Magic is being pushed hard by our local GS, and I have read reviews > on several programs that they don't convert/accept Gedcom well, requiring > many manual corrections. > > Betsy Hare Kemp > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Over the years I tried a number of different programs. I work as a software engineer for a living so I also like to export my data out to GEDCOM and run stuff I've written to analyze the data to help me clean it up and find things that otherwise I might not find when the data is sitting in a large database. I also dislike being constrained to only the functions that some other sofware writer has decided to grant that I can do with my data :) Writing an entire program is a big task so I never took on totally writing my own but I found that the combination of programs I could find and the ones I wrote myself did the trick pretty well for me. When I first started using other programs (I started years before with DOS version of PAF) I quickly found out one big truth. If I sent data out from PAF to other programs using GEDCOM I would usually be pretty successful. Trying to bring it back in from other programs was a different story. Most other programs want to add on niceties to make their programs more attractive and often that would put things into the data that just didn't transport nicely back into PAF. Because PAF was not being updated it became the old, solid, this is how its going to be, stick in the mud as far as how data should look :) So truth #1 became keep PAF as the main file and when I want to print out my data in some other report format or in a fancier way then use the secondary programs as a print engine. Export the PAF data out to GEDCOM, import in any other program and do reports in them. Another reason that I kept on using PAF instead of just picking my favorite other program was that being known as a software professional quickly gets you on everyone's call list when they have a question or problem with their PAF. So it was good for me to keep up on how it worked in order to help other people. Then one day about 8 or 9 years ago I ran across Ancestral Quest by Incline Software (http://www.ancquest.com/index.htm) I found that I really liked it and it had very good compatibility with PAF. I also soon learned that Ancestral Quest was more or less the continuing evolution of PAF. At one point when the Church wanted to put out a version of genealogy software with a Windows GUI interface (rather than the old DOS version of PAF) they contracted with the Ancestral Quest folks and used a copy of their current program (plus put a few of their own modifications in) and released it as the PAF you all know. In a very general sense if you are currently running PAF you are just using an older version of Ancestral Quest. Ancestral Quest continued on making improvements and releasing new versions since that time. Currently it integrates with New Family Search (NFS) very well. You can search and connect the people in your local database (i.e. Ancestral Quest local data file) to the same record in NFS and have it sync the data either up to NFS or down from NFS with your local data. It will also let you know when there are changes to that record in NFS that you don't have. Overall I'm very pleased with it. Its easy to use, is reasonable priced ($30) and releases corrections and updates a few times a year to keep it current. Another bonus is that in the 8 or 9 years of using Ancestral Quest and getting updates several times a year I don't recall ever being asked for more money (i.e. upgrade fees). I don't know exactly what their upgrade policy is but so far I get an announcement of new stuff and its freely available for me to download. There is a discussion group for Ancestral Quest also so just like here you can stay connected with other users and ask questions. Incline software is located in South Jordan, Utah so if you want to sort of 'keep it in the family' with people who are obviously closely connected with the Church and the genealogy work then there is another consideration. That is as opposed to some big software company that does want to keep users happy but at the same time is probably more concerned about how much money can they make from their software. There is a very nice person from Incline Software named Gaylon Findley who seems to be right on top of user's concerns and often helps in the discussion groups. Ancestral Quest just recently announced Ancestral Quest Basic. This is a completely free version that you can use and it is unrestricted. In other words it doesn't have a limit that you you can only enter a certain number of records or anything like that. It is a basic version of the program and doesn't have all the advanced features. If you want those then you purchase the program and everything that Ancestral Quest offers is then available. So there is my two cents worth. That's what I use and I'm quite pleased with it. There are several other good programs and I'm not saying that you wouldn't be pleased if you use them. I'm just saying that after I checked several out I came to the conclusion that Ancestral Quest was the one for me. Warren -----Original Message----- From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B.H. Kemp Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 9:37 AM To: PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] Life of PAF Thank you, Sue Maxwell, for the info. It would be interesting to know what the List members chose for their new Program...... Roots Magic is being pushed hard by our local GS, and I have read reviews on several programs that they don't convert/accept Gedcom well, requiring many manual corrections. 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Thank you, Sue Maxwell, for the info. It would be interesting to know what the List members chose for their new Program...... Roots Magic is being pushed hard by our local GS, and I have read reviews on several programs that they don't convert/accept Gedcom well, requiring many manual corrections. Betsy Hare Kemp

Hi everyone, I just wanted to thank you all so much for your helpful advice and suggestions when I was desperately trying to get my PAF file to work again, when I lost it during an extra download. I tried most of your suggestions, but as the PAF wouldn't open, I couldn't get any further, and finally resorted to System Restore which worked brilliantly. I have XP, and I don't know if it works with all systems, but fortunately when my techie built my computer he set up System Restore to update automatically and I was able to just select a date a few days back to before I created the problem. The genealogical family has done it again. Generous help came from all around the world. Thank you all. Marg Andrews - from Queensland the flooded and cyclone State of Australia.

I knew you'd have an explanation,Gary, or someone would. this is a great list!! Ethel in Nebraska In a message dated 2/19/2011 10:50:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, gtempleman1@comcast.net writes: I suspect you were looking at the possible duplicate list or some other subset of the entire database and that the names had never really disappeared at all. They were simply being filtered out of that list. That would likely be the case if you were looking at a list *during* the match/merge process. If a database gets corrupted and loses data it would be neigh impossible for it to reappear on its own. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: <Genbug6607@aol.com> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 5:58 PM Subject: [PAF-5] lost names returned > Some of you may remember my question of several days ago when, after > importing a gedcom and merging it into my Ethel file, I seem to have lost > a > whole bunch of names that had previously been in my Ethel file. I got > suggestions & helps from several of you but before I had a chance to put > them to > work, I finished doing a match/murge on 11 pages of "possible duplicate > individuals" that were in the gedcom & my Ethel file And no, none of the > previously missing people were on that list. but just as those names had > mysteriously disappeared they mysteriously reappeared! And no, I hadn't > been > drinking or dreaming; was quite lucid all times. I don't expect an > explanation, just rejoice with me! > > Ethel in Nebraska > > > In a message dated 2/18/2011 12:18:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, > jonesr007@hawaii.rr.com writes: > > Do you trust the source of the PAF File? The warning you are getting is > a > standard Microsoft security warning. For the most part it is telling you > that the program has not been "blessed" by Microsoft because they haven't > submitted it (long with the fees) to fet the blessing. If you downloaded > the program froma trusted source, then it will be OK, > > Aloh > Wayne, NH6K > > -----Original Message----- > From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marg & Neil > Andrews > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:15 AM > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > Thanks for your advice Lynn. I am trying not to panic! > However I cannot open my own Paf file - nothing happens when I click on > the > icon. so I can't read the Paf instructions. > I have 2 new icons on desktop - one with the new downloaded but > uninstalled > file which > comes up with Security Warning saying the publisher could not be verified > - > choose Run or Cancel. > And the other icon is the one for my niece's Paf which opens to the same > page as John Walden gets -" an opening screen with a photo of a dozen or > so > people in a family environment but can not get anything more" > My inclination is to delete the new download which incidentally is called > PAF5English setup - does > that sound right? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <lemow@email.com> > To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:26 PM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > >> >> Marg, >> Don't panic. >> >> You should not need more than one copy of the PAF program files on your >> computer. The latest version of PAF is 5.2.18. Downoanding and >> installing an updated copy of the PAF program should not impact your >> data >> files. They are probably still on your computer. >> >> If I understand right what you want to do is to have more than one data >> file. Yours and your neices. A data file is different that the program >> files. >> >> What I suppect happened is that you did not set your preferences the >> same >> in the new downloaded program as they were in your old program. Click > on >> tools. Click on preferences, Click on folders. The top line should list >> the location of your data files. Make this entry the same in your new >> program as it was in your old program. You should then be able to open >> your data file. >> >> To read about preferences start PAF, click on help in the top menu line >> and click on user's guide. When it opens scroll down the menu on the > left >> side until you see preferences. Click on that and read up on to do it. >> >> To use more than one data file just make sure they have different names. >> >> Good luck >> Lynn >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marg & Neil Andrews <margay@tadaust.org.au> >> To: PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 5:56 am >> Subject: [PAF-5] lost Paf >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> am helping a niece in NZ with her research and thought it would be a >> good >> idea >> o download >> nother Paf file onto my computer to fill in her tree. >> I have the new one downloaded but not installed yet, because I must >> have >> done >> omething stupid in the process as now I can't open my own Paf file (or > any >> ack-up dvd's either). >> ave I somehow uninstalled the original PAF program? >> s the new download overruling my own records? >> am hesitant to continue on the installation of the new download as I no >> longer >> eel confident about what I need to do. My old version of PAF is 5.0 >> and >> I >> hink the new one is the same. >> am using Windows XP. >> If anyone can help solve my problem or suggest where I can go (apart >> from >> to a >> ental Asylum thinking >> have lost many years of work), >> would very much appreciate some help. >> Marg Andrews Queensland Australia. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This may be of interest to all of you. In this morning's LDS Church News there is an article from the RootsTech Conference. Elder Scott responds to a question about the life expectancy of PAF. http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/60513/RootsTech-Conference-Blessing-invoked-upon-family-history-consultants.html Sue -- Sue Maxwell http://granitegenealogy.blogspot.com/ Vice President - Utah Genealogical Association

Great news, Ethel! Kind regards Joy in Kent, UK > From: Genbug6607@aol.com > Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:58:55 -0500 > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAF-5] lost names returned  I don't expect an > explanation, just rejoice with me! > > Ethel in Nebraska

Hello Marg, I'm so glad you got the problem resolved - it's something all of us can learn something from. I have been following the floods/cyclone tragedy for some time since I have a sister 'wintering' (what we call it here) in Australia, but further south. She and her husband recently sold their olive oil business near the Margaret River (Olio Bello). Another Gen friend who's been on other lists has provided people with links that show such sad images and stories of the damage and destruction. The devastation of the land-not to mention lives will affect gens to come. Good luck to you and yours as Queensland rebuilds. Jayne Madison, Wisconsin ----- Original Message ----- From: Marg & Neil Andrews To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 6:00 AM Subject: [PAF-5] thanks to all listers Hi everyone, I just wanted to thank you all so much for your helpful advice and suggestions when I was desperately trying to get my PAF file to work again, when I lost it during an extra download.

"...praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost..."! Cheryl Genbug6607@aol.com wrote: > Some of you may remember my question of several days ago when, after > importing a gedcom and merging it into my Ethel file, I seem to have lost a > whole bunch of names that had previously been in my Ethel file. I got > suggestions& helps from several of you but before I had a chance to put them to > work, I finished doing a match/murge on 11 pages of "possible duplicate > individuals" that were in the gedcom& my Ethel file And no, none of the > previously missing people were on that list. but just as those names had > mysteriously disappeared they mysteriously reappeared! And no, I hadn't been > drinking or dreaming; was quite lucid all times. I don't expect an > explanation, just rejoice with me! > > Ethel in Nebraska > > > In a message dated 2/18/2011 12:18:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, > jonesr007@hawaii.rr.com writes: > > Do you trust the source of the PAF File? The warning you are getting is a > standard Microsoft security warning. For the most part it is telling you > that the program has not been "blessed" by Microsoft because they haven't > submitted it (long with the fees) to fet the blessing. If you downloaded > the program froma trusted source, then it will be OK, > > Aloh > Wayne, NH6K > > -----Original Message----- > From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marg& Neil Andrews > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:15 AM > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > Thanks for your advice Lynn. I am trying not to panic! > However I cannot open my own Paf file - nothing happens when I click on the > icon. so I can't read the Paf instructions. > I have 2 new icons on desktop - one with the new downloaded but uninstalled > file which > comes up with Security Warning saying the publisher could not be verified > - > choose Run or Cancel. > And the other icon is the one for my niece's Paf which opens to the same > page as John Walden gets -" an opening screen with a photo of a dozen or so > people in a family environment but can not get anything more" > My inclination is to delete the new download which incidentally is called > PAF5English setup - does > that sound right? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:<lemow@email.com> > To:<paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:26 PM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > >> >> Marg, >> Don't panic. >> >> You should not need more than one copy of the PAF program files on your >> computer. The latest version of PAF is 5.2.18. Downoanding and >> installing an updated copy of the PAF program should not impact your data >> files. They are probably still on your computer. >> >> If I understand right what you want to do is to have more than one data >> file. Yours and your neices. A data file is different that the program >> files. >> >> What I suppect happened is that you did not set your preferences the same >> in the new downloaded program as they were in your old program. Click > on >> tools. Click on preferences, Click on folders. The top line should list >> the location of your data files. Make this entry the same in your new >> program as it was in your old program. You should then be able to open >> your data file. >> >> To read about preferences start PAF, click on help in the top menu line >> and click on user's guide. When it opens scroll down the menu on the > left >> side until you see preferences. Click on that and read up on to do it. >> >> To use more than one data file just make sure they have different names. >> >> Good luck >> Lynn >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marg& Neil Andrews<margay@tadaust.org.au> >> To: PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 5:56 am >> Subject: [PAF-5] lost Paf >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> am helping a niece in NZ with her research and thought it would be a good >> idea >> o download >> nother Paf file onto my computer to fill in her tree. >> I have the new one downloaded but not installed yet, because I must have >> done >> omething stupid in the process as now I can't open my own Paf file (or > any >> ack-up dvd's either). >> ave I somehow uninstalled the original PAF program? >> s the new download overruling my own records? >> am hesitant to continue on the installation of the new download as I no >> longer >> eel confident about what I need to do. My old version of PAF is 5.0 and >> I >> hink the new one is the same. >> am using Windows XP. >> If anyone can help solve my problem or suggest where I can go (apart from >> to a >> ental Asylum thinking >> have lost many years of work), >> would very much appreciate some help. >> Marg Andrews Queensland Australia.

there is a reason mother nature puts a rainbow after a storm, to make us happy again. You now get a chance to change things if you want for the better. The reason still sucks though... Earl in Hawaii ----- Original Message ----- From: "mullinsjf" <mullinsjf@att.net> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] thanks to all listers > Hello Marg, > I'm so glad you got the problem resolved - it's something > all of us can learn something from. > > I have been following the floods/cyclone tragedy for some > time since I have a sister 'wintering' (what we call it > here) in Australia, but further south. She and her husband > recently sold their olive oil business near the Margaret > River (Olio Bello). Another Gen friend who's been on other > lists has provided people with links that show such sad > images and stories of the damage and destruction. The > devastation of the land-not to mention lives will affect > gens to come. Good luck to you and yours as Queensland > rebuilds. > Jayne > Madison, Wisconsin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marg & Neil Andrews > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 6:00 AM > Subject: [PAF-5] thanks to all listers > > > Hi everyone, > I just wanted to thank you all so much for your helpful > advice and suggestions when I was > desperately trying to get my PAF file to work again, when I > lost it during an extra download. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3451 - Release Date: 02/18/11 >

I suspect you were looking at the possible duplicate list or some other subset of the entire database and that the names had never really disappeared at all. They were simply being filtered out of that list. That would likely be the case if you were looking at a list *during* the match/merge process. If a database gets corrupted and loses data it would be neigh impossible for it to reappear on its own. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: <Genbug6607@aol.com> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 5:58 PM Subject: [PAF-5] lost names returned > Some of you may remember my question of several days ago when, after > importing a gedcom and merging it into my Ethel file, I seem to have lost > a > whole bunch of names that had previously been in my Ethel file. I got > suggestions & helps from several of you but before I had a chance to put > them to > work, I finished doing a match/murge on 11 pages of "possible duplicate > individuals" that were in the gedcom & my Ethel file And no, none of the > previously missing people were on that list. but just as those names had > mysteriously disappeared they mysteriously reappeared! And no, I hadn't > been > drinking or dreaming; was quite lucid all times. I don't expect an > explanation, just rejoice with me! > > Ethel in Nebraska > > > In a message dated 2/18/2011 12:18:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, > jonesr007@hawaii.rr.com writes: > > Do you trust the source of the PAF File? The warning you are getting is > a > standard Microsoft security warning. For the most part it is telling you > that the program has not been "blessed" by Microsoft because they haven't > submitted it (long with the fees) to fet the blessing. If you downloaded > the program froma trusted source, then it will be OK, > > Aloh > Wayne, NH6K > > -----Original Message----- > From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marg & Neil > Andrews > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:15 AM > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > Thanks for your advice Lynn. I am trying not to panic! > However I cannot open my own Paf file - nothing happens when I click on > the > icon. so I can't read the Paf instructions. > I have 2 new icons on desktop - one with the new downloaded but > uninstalled > file which > comes up with Security Warning saying the publisher could not be verified > - > choose Run or Cancel. > And the other icon is the one for my niece's Paf which opens to the same > page as John Walden gets -" an opening screen with a photo of a dozen or > so > people in a family environment but can not get anything more" > My inclination is to delete the new download which incidentally is called > PAF5English setup - does > that sound right? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <lemow@email.com> > To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:26 PM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > >> >> Marg, >> Don't panic. >> >> You should not need more than one copy of the PAF program files on your >> computer. The latest version of PAF is 5.2.18. Downoanding and >> installing an updated copy of the PAF program should not impact your >> data >> files. They are probably still on your computer. >> >> If I understand right what you want to do is to have more than one data >> file. Yours and your neices. A data file is different that the program >> files. >> >> What I suppect happened is that you did not set your preferences the >> same >> in the new downloaded program as they were in your old program. Click > on >> tools. Click on preferences, Click on folders. The top line should list >> the location of your data files. Make this entry the same in your new >> program as it was in your old program. You should then be able to open >> your data file. >> >> To read about preferences start PAF, click on help in the top menu line >> and click on user's guide. When it opens scroll down the menu on the > left >> side until you see preferences. Click on that and read up on to do it. >> >> To use more than one data file just make sure they have different names. >> >> Good luck >> Lynn >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marg & Neil Andrews <margay@tadaust.org.au> >> To: PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 5:56 am >> Subject: [PAF-5] lost Paf >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> am helping a niece in NZ with her research and thought it would be a >> good >> idea >> o download >> nother Paf file onto my computer to fill in her tree. >> I have the new one downloaded but not installed yet, because I must >> have >> done >> omething stupid in the process as now I can't open my own Paf file (or > any >> ack-up dvd's either). >> ave I somehow uninstalled the original PAF program? >> s the new download overruling my own records? >> am hesitant to continue on the installation of the new download as I no >> longer >> eel confident about what I need to do. My old version of PAF is 5.0 >> and >> I >> hink the new one is the same. >> am using Windows XP. >> If anyone can help solve my problem or suggest where I can go (apart >> from >> to a >> ental Asylum thinking >> have lost many years of work), >> would very much appreciate some help. >> Marg Andrews Queensland Australia. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your advice Lynn. I am trying not to panic! However I cannot open my own Paf file - nothing happens when I click on the icon. so I can't read the Paf instructions. I have 2 new icons on desktop - one with the new downloaded but uninstalled file which comes up with Security Warning saying the publisher could not be verified - choose Run or Cancel. And the other icon is the one for my niece's Paf which opens to the same page as John Walden gets -" an opening screen with a photo of a dozen or so people in a family environment but can not get anything more" My inclination is to delete the new download which incidentally is called PAF5English setup - does that sound right? ----- Original Message ----- From: <lemow@email.com> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > Marg, > Don't panic. > > You should not need more than one copy of the PAF program files on your > computer. The latest version of PAF is 5.2.18. Downoanding and > installing an updated copy of the PAF program should not impact your data > files. They are probably still on your computer. > > If I understand right what you want to do is to have more than one data > file. Yours and your neices. A data file is different that the program > files. > > What I suppect happened is that you did not set your preferences the same > in the new downloaded program as they were in your old program. Click on > tools. Click on preferences, Click on folders. The top line should list > the location of your data files. Make this entry the same in your new > program as it was in your old program. You should then be able to open > your data file. > > To read about preferences start PAF, click on help in the top menu line > and click on user's guide. When it opens scroll down the menu on the left > side until you see preferences. Click on that and read up on to do it. > > To use more than one data file just make sure they have different names. > > Good luck > Lynn > -----Original Message----- > From: Marg & Neil Andrews <margay@tadaust.org.au> > To: PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 5:56 am > Subject: [PAF-5] lost Paf > > > Hi everyone, > am helping a niece in NZ with her research and thought it would be a good > idea > o download > nother Paf file onto my computer to fill in her tree. > I have the new one downloaded but not installed yet, because I must have > done > omething stupid in the process as now I can't open my own Paf file (or any > ack-up dvd's either). > ave I somehow uninstalled the original PAF program? > s the new download overruling my own records? > am hesitant to continue on the installation of the new download as I no > longer > eel confident about what I need to do. My old version of PAF is 5.0 and > I > hink the new one is the same. > am using Windows XP. > If anyone can help solve my problem or suggest where I can go (apart from > to a > ental Asylum thinking > have lost many years of work), > would very much appreciate some help. > Marg Andrews Queensland Australia.

Thanks Cheryl, A search brings up my Paf files but I am unable to open Paf to do as you suggest. The only response I get from the icon from the new download is a Security Warning saying - "The publisher could not be verified. Are you sure you want to run this software?" Publisher: Unknown. Options: Run or Cancel (which just deletes the box). I haven't dare to click on Run yet! It's me thats running :-) Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "singhals" <singhals@erols.com> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] lost Paf > Marg & Neil Andrews wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> I am helping a niece in NZ with her research and thought it would be a >> good idea to download >> another Paf file onto my computer to fill in her tree. >> >> I have the new one downloaded but not installed yet, because I must have >> done something stupid in the process as now I can't open my own Paf file >> (or any back-up dvd's either). >> Have I somehow uninstalled the original PAF program? >> Is the new download overruling my own records? >> I am hesitant to continue on the installation of the new download as I no >> longer feel confident about what I need to do. My old version of PAF is >> 5.0 and I think the new one is the same. >> I am using Windows XP. >> >> If anyone can help solve my problem or suggest where I can go (apart from >> to a Mental Asylum thinking >> I have lost many years of work), >> I would very much appreciate some help. >> Marg Andrews Queensland Australia. > > Marg? Maybe it's my bad-brain week, but it sounds as if you > d/l the program just so you could open a new set of people? > If you did that, you really really didn't need to. You > can create a separate file for your niece's stuff, by > clicking FILE/NEW and giving it a name like Niece1. > > Other than that, I would agree that when you re-installed > PAF, it probably overwrote all your old preferences, such as > where to look for your file. > > Open PAF, close whatever database opens, which ought to get > you to a post-card-sized box in the middle of the window > with assorted options. Pick FIND and OK and it'll find all > the .paf files on your system. [ or, open Windows Explorer > and tell IT to find all files with .paf in the name. > > Cheryl