Thanks for your input Ellen There seems to be a few things it may be useful for but a pity you have to buy it to find out if they are :-( You say you open your data in AQ several times a week? Do you use the one database and open it in both PAF & AQ ? I am assuming any changes made in AQ would show in PAF and vice versa ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Getting back to our conversation about the strengths of AQ -- I like it because my sources in PAF > have been entered in the order I have discovered them. Thus my census citations are not > chronological. AQ allows you to reorganize the order of your citations so that they are in a > logical and chronological order -- census citations by date, obituaries at the end of the list, > etc. This alone encouraged me to purchase AQ 2 years ago. I still use both, simply because I'm > used to entering data via PAF 5.2. I open my database in AQ several times a week and organize my > citations. I will probably eventually switch to using AQ exclusively once I'm completely at ease > with it! > > Ellen

Future versions of Windows are not expected to support PAF, or at least that's what the warnings seem to be. I have it on 98, ME, and 2 XP and it's okay. > From: mjharvey@bravo.net.au > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 10:26:28 +1000 > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Ancestral Quest > > Lila wrote, > > > The LDS has announced that they are not going to continue updating or > > supporting PAF, which seems to me to be the only reason to change as I'm > > very satisfied with what it does. When I get settled after a move I'm > > going to buy AQ and get used to it before I have to convert to a new > > Windows version that won't handle PAF. Lila > > Just which version of Windows won't handle PAF? > > I have PAF 5.2 running on both our computers.... one computer on XP and the > other computer on Win7 > > I have also have PAF installed and RUNNING on my laptop which uses Vista. > > I also use AQ v12.1.27 and after using it for some time now I find that I > use it in preference to PAF. > I have used PAF in it's various forms for about 25 years now but AQ gets the > nod for all round performance. > > What I do like about AQ is that it interfaces smoothly with PAF without > hiccups. > > Data integrity is maintained. > Alterations and additions to data in either program on the same computer > were automatically updated in the other. > > After importing Gedcoms I use Family Insight to do the 'match and merge' as > this allows me far more control > matching data and eliminating the need to edit out duplication of notes and > marriages etc. that happen in PAF's merge. > > Don't get me wrong. PAF does do some things better, but not enough for it to > be my primary program. > Which is why I run the two programs in parallel for those occasions that I > need those options. > > And yes, AQ is worth shelling out for. BTY, the cost is peanuts compared to > the likes of Family Tree Maker > which has more versions than the continuing story of Rocky Balboa. > > Regards > Mike Harvey > Merewether NSW > mjharvey@bravo.net.au > "Being over the hill is better than being under it." > > If you forward this correspondence, please delete the forwarding history, > which includes my email address. > It is a courtesy to me and others who may not wish to have their email > addresses sent all over the world. > Erasing the history helps prevent Spammers from mining addresses and viruses > from being propagated > > > > > > > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17270) > http://free.pctools.com/ > ======= > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Getting back to our conversation about the strengths of AQ -- I like it because my sources in PAF have been entered in the order I have discovered them. Thus my census citations are not chronological. AQ allows you to reorganize the order of your citations so that they are in a logical and chronological order -- census citations by date, obituaries at the end of the list, etc. This alone encouraged me to purchase AQ 2 years ago. I still use both, simply because I'm used to entering data via PAF 5.2. I open my database in AQ several times a week and organize my citations. I will probably eventually switch to using AQ exclusively once I'm completely at ease with it! Ellen

Hi again Clearly its not something specific to my computer if others are reporting the same warning So I revisited to see if it was a glitch, on the warning page there is a button "why was this web site blocked?" On clicking that you get :- Safe Browsing Advisory provided by Google Diagnostic page for ballandautreyancestry.com What is the current listing status for ballandautreyancestry.com? Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this website may harm your computer. Part of this site was listed for suspicious activity 1 time(s) over the past 90 days. What happened when Google visited this site? Of the 2 pages that we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 2 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time that Google visited this site was on 2011-04-08, and the last time that suspicious content was found on this site was on 2011-04-08. Malicious software is hosted on 1 domain(s), including videoonlinefree.co.cc/. This site was hosted on 1 network(s) including AS3595 (GNAXNET). Has this site acted as an intermediary resulting in further distribution of malware? Over the past 90 days, ballandautreyancestry.com did not appear to function as an intermediary for the infection of any sites. Has this site hosted malware? No, this site has not hosted malicious software over the past 90 days. How did this happen? In some cases, third parties can add malicious code to legitimate sites, which would cause us to show the warning message. Next steps: * Return to the previous page. * If you are the owner of this website, you can request a review of your site using Google Webmaster Tools. More information about the review process is available in Google's Webmaster Help Centre. Updated 3 hours ago ©2008 Google - Google Home As I said before I have never had this warning on any web site previously, so perhaps Google have been changing things? Perhaps you may want to check it out with google but it will probably clear in time Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Thanks for the Replies. > My Web site Has been working fine for all of the other Researchers for my > Ancestral Line for a long long time. Something going on with Nivard. > I have never had any problems. > Donna

Hi Fred As I said it could well be a false warning however with great respect I prefer to trust my anti virus and firewall to yours Particularly as you use Norton as I would not have it as a gift with ribbons on Each to our own eh <g> I should also say that I have not had this warning from *any* other site Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi all, I'm using Norton (the latest) and it only shows it has not been > tested yet. Your AV by not seeing the html, or metatag that sez it's ok, > makes me think you are likely getting false positives.. > > Regards, Fred

That is quite possible but I take no chances I use Avast with Comodo I binned AVG after having several problems with it Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Donna, > > I just clicked the link and my security software had no problems. Maybe > Nivard's security software is giving a "false positive". (I am using AVG.) > Bill Buchanan

The LDS has announced that they are not going to continue updating or supporting PAF, which seems to me to be the only reason to change as I'm very satisfied with what it does. When I get settled after a move I'm going to buy AQ and get used to it before I have to convert to a new Windows version that won't handle PAF. Lila > From: ovington1@sky.com > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 17:48:23 +0100 > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Ancestral Quest > > Hi Donna > > I haven't used it until now > > I have just tried it and although it looks interesting it seems largely the same as PAF > > The extra bits I was more interested in you appear to only get in the full paid version, its a pity > they don't do a timed version for say 30 days to evaluate it > > I do not see me shelling out for something I don't know is going to be useful > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > Nivard, what Version of Ancestral Quest do you use? I am still running AQ11 > > and also PAF5.2 > > Just wondering. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Donna I tried to have a look at your web site but get a "Reported Attack Page" Attack pages try to install programs that steal private information, use your computer to attack others, or damage your system Some attack pages intentionally distribute harmful software, but many are compromised without the knowledge or permission of their owners Sorry to be the bearer of bad news :-( Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard, > I have my basic Genealogy on PAF5.2 but also run AQ11 as it lets me convert > my PAF5.2 files into AQ and then I like to make my Web Site off AQ11 as it > is better than PAF5.2. That is the only reason is use it. My Front Page > Editor (old version) works with AQ11 so that's why I use AQ11. > Here is my Web Site http://www.BallandAutreyAncestry.com I am seriously > thinking of uploading my Family History with all of my 1800 pictures to > Ancestry.com so that would do away with this site. Any feed back is always > welcome

Hi again A quick follow up I downloaded it and opened an old back up in it (it did not give a convert option as far as I could see?) Anyway it opened and all looked fairly familiar As far as I can tell the extra bits I was interested in are only in the paid version so the basic is largely useless I don't think I will be paying out for something I don't know will help me Thanks for the help though, appreciated Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Hi Nivard, > While I won't try to answer all of your questions I can set your mind at ease about your PAF data > file. I too am a long time user of PAF. I am also a long time user of AQ. I started using PAF > at version 2.0. It was a DOS program and continued to be a DOS program up through version 4. As > a DOS program it used DOS printer drivers and the printed reports using a dot matrix printer were > not the best. AQ was and is a windows program. It uses windows printer drivers. AQ would read > my PAF 2.31 data file directly and print the reports that looked really good even on a dot matrix > printer. >

Hi Donna I haven't used it until now I have just tried it and although it looks interesting it seems largely the same as PAF The extra bits I was more interested in you appear to only get in the full paid version, its a pity they don't do a timed version for say 30 days to evaluate it I do not see me shelling out for something I don't know is going to be useful Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Nivard, what Version of Ancestral Quest do you use? I am still running AQ11 > and also PAF5.2 > Just wondering.

Thank you for your reply Lynn much appreciated I do not use temple codes so thats not a problem I have already tried Legacy and the Roots Magic (and just about every other family tree software at some time or another) I used GSP Family tree for several years and then tried PAF a few years back and liked it better as there were better (but not over fancy) facilities PAF had more going for it than GSP as I don't think GSP even had a sources field then, the only one thing I missed was a drop down chart but most things I am happy with PAF Over time I road tested most of the family tree softwares and frankly found them either garish, over complex or just simply didn't like them so have remained with PAF I had hoped the answer would be as you have stated so will I think give it a try at least I feel sure I tried Gencharts as well but didn't find a good use for it but maybe it was a different program, I can't recall Thanks again for the information, appreciated Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard, > While I won't try to answer all of your questions I can set your mind at ease about your PAF data > file. I too am a long time user of PAF. I am also a long time user of AQ. I started using PAF > at version 2.0. It was a DOS program and continued to be a DOS program up through version 4. As > a DOS program it used DOS printer drivers and the printed reports using a dot matrix printer were > not the best. AQ was and is a windows program. It uses windows printer drivers. AQ would read > my PAF 2.31 data file directly and print the reports that looked really good even on a dot matrix > printer. > > Today AQ will read a PAF 5.2 data file and convert it to an AQ file without affecting your PAF 5 > data file at all. Notice I said convert not import. The AQ data file is completely separate from > your PAF data file. I stilll maintain both PAF and AQ on my computer. One thing I really like > about AQ over the other programs available is that the reports look just like the PAF reports I am > used to.

Came up fine using F-Secure. Robby Robinson an 'old Yankee' in the "heart of Dixie' On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Diane wrote: > Worked fine for me... Diane > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Autrey" <autrey@c-zone.net> > To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:28 AM > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Ancestral Quest and Web Site > > >> Hi Nivard, >> I have my basic Genealogy on PAF5.2 but also run AQ11 as it lets me >> convert >> my PAF5.2 files into AQ and then I like to make my Web Site off AQ11 >> as it >> is better than PAF5.2. That is the only reason is use it. My Front >> Page >> Editor (old version) works with AQ11 so that's why I use AQ11. >> Here is my Web Site http://www.BallandAutreyAncestry.com I am >> seriously >> thinking of uploading my Family History with all of my 1800 pictures >> to >> Ancestry.com so that would do away with this site. Any feed back is >> always >> welcome >> >> >> --- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" >> <ovington1@sky.com> >> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 9:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Ancestral Quest >> >> >>> Hi again >>> >>> A quick follow up >>> >>> I downloaded it and opened an old back up in it (it did not give a >>> convert >>> option as far as I could >>> see?) >>> >>> Anyway it opened and all looked fairly familiar >>> >>> As far as I can tell the extra bits I was interested in are only in >>> the >>> paid version so the basic is >>> largely useless >>> >>> I don't think I will be paying out for something I don't know will >>> help me >>> >>> Thanks for the help though, appreciated >>> >>> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Nivard, >>>> While I won't try to answer all of your questions I can set your >>>> mind at >>>> ease about your PAF data >>>> file. I too am a long time user of PAF. I am also a long time >>>> user of >>>> AQ. I started using PAF >>>> at version 2.0. It was a DOS program and continued to be a DOS >>>> program >>>> up through version 4. As >>>> a DOS program it used DOS printer drivers and the printed reports >>>> using a >>>> dot matrix printer were >>>> not the best. AQ was and is a windows program. It uses windows >>>> printer >>>> drivers. AQ would read >>>> my PAF 2.31 data file directly and print the reports that looked >>>> really >>>> good even on a dot matrix >>>> printer. >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again, a reported attack page, means someone, sometime reported the page as a problem, and your AV accessed that record, not that your or my antivirus FOUND a problem..The only people who will get that message, is the folks using that AV. In the normal course of events, almost every page on the web gets reported for something..I admin dozens of sites, and more than dozens of email lists and boards..I spend a lot of time trying to keep those servers off blacklists because someone reported them (Rootsweb/Ancestry/Genweb) as S P A M M E R S. The big problem is anti s p a m sites keeping those bad reports around too long. It often takes days or weeks to get a site cleared after the critical number of reports are met. If my software had reported a problem, I would have emailed them asking for the report..If I owned the site, I would have had Norton review the site and tell me if it was ok, and if it was, verify and record it. (Which I just had it do with my main genealogy site). But then, that's what IBM sysprogs are expected to do... Regards, Fred

As you say... Regards, fredp@us.ibm.com -----Original Message----- From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 3:13 PM To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Ancestral Quest and Web Site Hi Fred As I said it could well be a false warning however with great respect I prefer to trust my anti virus and firewall to yours Particularly as you use Norton as I would not have it as a gift with ribbons on Each to our own eh <g> I should also say that I have not had this warning from *any* other site Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

>Hi Donna > >I tried to have a look at your web site but get a "Reported Attack Page" > >Attack pages try to install programs that steal private information, >use your computer to attack >others, or damage your system > >Some attack pages intentionally distribute harmful software, but >many are compromised without the >knowledge or permission of their owners > >Sorry to be the bearer of bad news :-( > >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ============== I found the exact same thing in Michigan, USA. :-(

Worked for me. I'm using AVG. The old one we had often wouldn't let me onto my own webpages, so we deep-sixed it. Cheryl Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Donna > > I tried to have a look at your web site but get a "Reported Attack Page" > > Attack pages try to install programs that steal private information, use your computer to attack > others, or damage your system > > Some attack pages intentionally distribute harmful software, but many are compromised without the > knowledge or permission of their owners > > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news :-( > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Hi Nivard, >> I have my basic Genealogy on PAF5.2 but also run AQ11 as it lets me convert >> my PAF5.2 files into AQ and then I like to make my Web Site off AQ11 as it >> is better than PAF5.2. That is the only reason is use it. My Front Page >> Editor (old version) works with AQ11 so that's why I use AQ11. >> Here is my Web Site http://www.BallandAutreyAncestry.com I am seriously >> thinking of uploading my Family History with all of my 1800 pictures to >> Ancestry.com so that would do away with this site. Any feed back is always >> welcome

Hi all, I'm using Norton (the latest) and it only shows it has not been tested yet. Your AV by not seeing the html, or metatag that sez it's ok, makes me think you are likely getting false positives.. Regards, Fred -----Original Message----- From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Buchanan Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 2:47 PM To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Ancestral Quest and Web Site Hi Donna, I just clicked the link and my security software had no problems. Maybe Nivard's security software is giving a "false positive". (I am using AVG.) Bill Buchanan On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote:

It worked fine for me. Maybe in your anti-virus. Bill > Hi Donna > > I tried to have a look at your web site but get a "Reported Attack Page" > > Attack pages try to install programs that steal private information, use your computer to attack > others, or damage your system > > Some attack pages intentionally distribute harmful software, but many are compromised without the > knowledge or permission of their owners >

FYI - F-Prot also reports this as an attack site. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 3:13 PM > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Ancestral Quest and Web Site > > Hi Fred > > As I said it could well be a false warning however with great respect I > prefer to trust my anti > virus and firewall to yours > > Particularly as you use Norton as I would not have it as a gift with ribbons > on > > Each to our own eh<g> > > I should also say that I have not had this warning from *any* other site > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Donna, I just clicked the link and my security software had no problems. Maybe Nivard's security software is giving a "false positive". (I am using AVG.) Bill Buchanan On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Hi Donna > > I tried to have a look at your web site but get a "Reported Attack Page" > > Attack pages try to install programs that steal private information, use > your computer to attack > others, or damage your system > > Some attack pages intentionally distribute harmful software, but many are > compromised without the > knowledge or permission of their owners > > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news :-( > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > Hi Nivard, > > I have my basic Genealogy on PAF5.2 but also run AQ11 as it lets me > convert > > my PAF5.2 files into AQ and then I like to make my Web Site off AQ11 as > it > > is better than PAF5.2. That is the only reason is use it. My Front Page > > Editor (old version) works with AQ11 so that's why I use AQ11. > > Here is my Web Site http://www.BallandAutreyAncestry.com<http://www.ballandautreyancestry.com/> I am seriously > > thinking of uploading my Family History with all of my 1800 pictures to > > Ancestry.com so that would do away with this site. Any feed back is > always > > welcome > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >