When I try to look at the actual documents, it changes my login name to NULL and won't let me see it. When I hit the BACK button, NULL changes back to my username. I emailed with Family Search and they said it was because I was using the BETA site and gave me a URL to use that was exactly what I was using. Any suggestions? Don Rubarts

Joan, I believe that the member submissions have been removed from Historical Records. Also "EASy" should be limited to extracted records. I tried a little test just now that seems to support this. I submitted my grandfather's name and he does not appear in Historical Records, just in Family Trees (I also submitted him to AF). -- Bill Buchanan website: http://billbuchanan.byethost17.com blog: http://billbuchanan.blogspot.com On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Joan Lowrey <joanlowr@pacbell.net> wrote: > Bill, > > How can one tell if the information is from member submission, as > opposed to extraction? > > Joan Lowrey > > At 01:46 PM 4/11/2011, you wrote: > >Ethel, > > > >Yes, it is. Any source that contains EASy (Extraction Administration > System) > >is from IGI. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I agree that the new version of Family search is hopeless. I love the fact that there are records there that you can download, actual copies of the records etc. But it is so hard to narrow the search down to anything useful. It takes soooo much time wading through everything. The whole thing is SOOOO slow. I just hope things improve. I loved the original beta version, but not this one. Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] question about Family Search > 7th time of posting > > > > Hi Bill > > I am glad to hear to you found new records in the newfamilysearch > > I find it a dispiriting experience > > So many multiple copies of the same data, and trying to narrow it down to > something useful is a > tiresome task > > I return every now and then in the hope it will improve as it has since it > was launched but still a > long way to go > > I just hope they keep the old familysearch open as the new is hopeless at > present > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >>I have found good records in it that were not in the old version, >>including >> the christening of my 2ggf Robert Ing. >> >> >> Bill Buchanan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

i have just recently returned to Family Search after quite an absence, I'm very impressed with the new look and the ease of use,(and the fact I was able to solve a big problem right away!) I have one question though : what has happened to IGI; is it a part of historical documents? Ethel in Nebraska

Bill, How can one tell if the information is from member submission, as opposed to extraction? Joan Lowrey At 01:46 PM 4/11/2011, you wrote: >Ethel, > >Yes, it is. Any source that contains EASy (Extraction Administration System) >is from IGI.

Thank you Lila, all solved, the problem was I did not removing the asterisk. Thank you once again to all for the help. Maureen Cook Port Kennedy Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lila Garner Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:58 PM To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Gedcom File When you name the file, are you removing the asterisk before .ged? You have to remove it before you name the file. Lila > From: moggiewa@bigpond.com > To: PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com; PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:40:46 +0800 > Subject: [PAF-5] Gedcom File > > I am having great difficulty creating a gedcom file for some unknown reason > or I am missing something in the process. > > These are the steps I have taken:- > > File - Export - Partial - Select. Create a focus - Export. Select drive and > folder to save gedcom file. Type the name for the file. That all works well, > but when I click on Export, nothing happens. > > > > Thanks a lot > > Maureen Cook > > Port Kennedy > > W.A. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have found good records in it that were not in the old version, including the christening of my 2ggf Robert Ing. Bill Buchanan On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Well Ethel > > You are the first person I have heard that likes it > > I have given up with it as its all but useless > > The Old familysearch is still available, look towards the bottom of the > newfamilysearch screen in > tiny writing > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > >i have just recently returned to Family Search after quite an absence, > > I'm very impressed with the new look and the ease of use,(and the fact I > was > > able to solve a big problem right away!) I have one question though : > > what has happened to IGI; is it a part of historical documents? > > > > Ethel in Nebraska > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Bill Buchanan website: http://billbuchanan.byethost17.com blog: http://billbuchanan.blogspot.com

Ethel, Yes, it is. Any source that contains EASy (Extraction Administration System) is from IGI. Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File are found in the family trees. You can also use the old site if you want to. There is a link on www.familysearch.org Bill Buchanan On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 2:33 PM, <Genbug6607@aol.com> wrote: > i have just recently returned to Family Search after quite an absence, > I'm very impressed with the new look and the ease of use,(and the fact I > was > able to solve a big problem right away!) I have one question though : > what has happened to IGI; is it a part of historical documents? > > Ethel in Nebraska > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Nivard Have tried all different ways and nothing happens Thanks Maureen -----Original Message----- From: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:33 PM To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Gedcom File 5th 4th ! no wonder the lists are quiet Clearly not, 3rd attempt :-( 2nd attempt, I thought SORBs had been sorted out :-( Hi Maureen Are you perhaps refining your search to a point where there are no inclusions to your report? What happens when you just create a normal gedcom? You can always test that and delete afterwards If that works try successive reports with different criteria to see if you replicate the zero report Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I am having great difficulty creating a gedcom file for some unknown reason > or I am missing something in the process. > > These are the steps I have taken:- > > File - Export - Partial - Select. Create a focus - Export. Select drive and > folder to save gedcom file. Type the name for the file. That all works well, > but when I click on Export, nothing happens. > > > > Thanks a lot > > Maureen Cook > > Port Kennedy > > W.A. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Nivard, Yes. First you open your database in PAF. Then, under Tools you select Ancestral Quest. That opens the same database in AQ. You make whatever changes or additions you wish to make within AQ, then you close AQ. Closing AQ brings up the same database (with your new changes) in PAF. You will actually see PAF on the quick launch bar at the bottom -- it appears to still be open. However you cannot return to PAF until you close AQ. If you click on the link to PAF at the bottom, it opens PAF with an empty data screen. Changing data in this manner within PAF but using AQ for the changes does not change the format of the database from a PAF file. There are options within AQ to save the data in AQ format, but once you do that you cannot reopen it in PAF without using a gedcom file. I hope this is helpful. I've no idea if AQbasic will open a PAF file since I have the paid version of AQ. You can certainly download AQ Basic, load it onto your computer, and then open your PAF file to see if AQ is an option from within PAF. Ellen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 09:13:38 +0100 From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Ancestral Quest To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <F8FD4B32E4FF43CDA820201DE8C32B56@claireac3e9bca> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thanks for your input Ellen There seems to be a few things it may be useful for but a pity you have to buy it to find out if they are :-( You say you open your data in AQ several times a week? Do you use the one database and open it in both PAF & AQ ? I am assuming any changes made in AQ would show in PAF and vice versa ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Getting back to our conversation about the strengths of AQ -- I like it because my sources in PAF > have been entered in the order I have discovered them. Thus my census citations are not > chronological. AQ allows you to reorganize the order of your citations so that they are in a > logical and chronological order -- census citations by date, obituaries at the end of the list, > etc. This alone encouraged me to purchase AQ 2 years ago. I still use both, simply because I'm > used to entering data via PAF 5.2. I open my database in AQ several times a week and organize my > citations. I will probably eventually switch to using AQ exclusively once I'm completely at ease > with it! > > Ellen

Ellen, You said that very well. One thing though. In your paragrapph two you said you have to use a GEDCOM file to go from an AQ file back to a PAF file. I don't think that is correct. Click on file and then click on file converter. That will let you convert the AQ file to a PAF file without using a GEDCOM. If you want the new PAF file to be separate from your original PAF file give it a different name. I'm like you and use a purchased copy of AQ so there may be some differences in the free basic version. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: Ellen <fec33@comcast.net> To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com; Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Sent: Sun, Apr 10, 2011 12:36 pm Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Ancestral Quest Hello Nivard, Yes. First you open your database in PAF. Then, under Tools you select Ancestral uest. That opens the same database in AQ. You make whatever changes or dditions you wish to make within AQ, then you close AQ. Closing AQ brings up he same database (with your new changes) in PAF. You will actually see PAF on he quick launch bar at the bottom -- it appears to still be open. However you annot return to PAF until you close AQ. If you click on the link to PAF at the ottom, it opens PAF with an empty data screen. Changing data in this manner within PAF but using AQ for the changes does not hange the format of the database from a PAF file. There are options within AQ o save the data in AQ format, but once you do that you cannot reopen it in PAF ithout using a gedcom file. I hope this is helpful. I've no idea if AQbasic will open a PAF file since I ave the paid version of AQ. You can certainly download AQ Basic, load it onto our computer, and then open your PAF file to see if AQ is an option from within AF. Ellen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ate: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 09:13:38 +0100 rom: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> ubject: Re: [PAF-5] Ancestral Quest o: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> essage-ID: <F8FD4B32E4FF43CDA820201DE8C32B56@claireac3e9bca> ontent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; eply-type=original Thanks for your input Ellen There seems to be a few things it may be useful for but a pity you have to buy t to find out if hey are :-( You say you open your data in AQ several times a week? Do you use the one database and open it in both PAF & AQ ? I am assuming any changes made in AQ would show in PAF and vice versa ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Getting back to our conversation about the strengths of AQ -- I like it ecause my sources in PAF have been entered in the order I have discovered them. Thus my census itations are not chronological. AQ allows you to reorganize the order of your citations so that hey are in a logical and chronological order -- census citations by date, obituaries at the nd of the list, etc. This alone encouraged me to purchase AQ 2 years ago. I still use both, imply because I'm used to entering data via PAF 5.2. I open my database in AQ several times a eek and organize my citations. I will probably eventually switch to using AQ exclusively once I'm ompletely at ease with it! Ellen ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I am having great difficulty creating a gedcom file for some unknown reason or I am missing something in the process. These are the steps I have taken:- File - Export - Partial - Select. Create a focus - Export. Select drive and folder to save gedcom file. Type the name for the file. That all works well, but when I click on Export, nothing happens. Thanks a lot Maureen Cook Port Kennedy W.A.

After the select and going back to the export screen, what is the number of individuals listed for the export? If there is no one selected, then you would not get a file. Same suggestion as already suggested, but with a check to be sure. You might also try a full export as a trial also. Bill > Hi Nivard > Have tried all different ways and nothing happens > > Thanks > Maureen > > -----Original Message----- > > 5th > > 4th ! no wonder the lists are quiet > > Clearly not, 3rd attempt :-( > > 2nd attempt, I thought SORBs had been sorted out :-( > > > Hi Maureen > > Are you perhaps refining your search to a point where there are no > inclusions to your report? > > What happens when you just create a normal gedcom? > > You can always test that and delete afterwards > > If that works try successive reports with different criteria to see if you > replicate the zero report > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >I am having great difficulty creating a gedcom file for some unknown reason > > or I am missing something in the process. > > > > These are the steps I have taken:- > > > > File - Export - Partial - Select. Create a focus - Export. Select drive > and > > folder to save gedcom file. Type the name for the file. That all works > well, > > but when I click on Export, nothing happens. > >

When you name the file, are you removing the asterisk before .ged? You have to remove it before you name the file. Lila > From: moggiewa@bigpond.com > To: PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com; PAF-5-USERS@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:40:46 +0800 > Subject: [PAF-5] Gedcom File > > I am having great difficulty creating a gedcom file for some unknown reason > or I am missing something in the process. > > These are the steps I have taken:- > > File - Export - Partial - Select. Create a focus - Export. Select drive and > folder to save gedcom file. Type the name for the file. That all works well, > but when I click on Export, nothing happens. > > > > Thanks a lot > > Maureen Cook > > Port Kennedy > > W.A. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

5th 4th ! no wonder the lists are quiet Clearly not, 3rd attempt :-( 2nd attempt, I thought SORBs had been sorted out :-( Hi Maureen Are you perhaps refining your search to a point where there are no inclusions to your report? What happens when you just create a normal gedcom? You can always test that and delete afterwards If that works try successive reports with different criteria to see if you replicate the zero report Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I am having great difficulty creating a gedcom file for some unknown reason > or I am missing something in the process. > > These are the steps I have taken:- > > File - Export - Partial - Select. Create a focus - Export. Select drive and > folder to save gedcom file. Type the name for the file. That all works well, > but when I click on Export, nothing happens. > > > > Thanks a lot > > Maureen Cook > > Port Kennedy > > W.A.

It is likely that for the foreseeable future we will be able to run PAF 5 on any later versions of Windows. Even if some Windows version does not run PAF directly, if you save your XP, Vista or W7 installation disks you can install that using a virtual machine. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Ross G. H. Cotton" <rgcotton@skylinc.net> Sender: paf-5-users-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 09:38:49 To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Ancestral Quest Allow me to put my 2 cents worth in, on this subject. Have been using AQ for many years, but not as long as I have used PAF, nearly 25 years. My 9 different databases for my ONS (One Name Study), one for most geographical areas of the world, are in PAF5 and all data, over 100,000 records, is stored in PAF5. Use AQ for some specific functions, the most important is to sort one of the databases when looking for a specific person, ie. Charles Cotton of a specific area, a specific time frame and who was mar to a specific person. Since there are many Cottons with the given name of Charles, maybe over 1000, it is very hard to find him using PAF. When I was forced to start using Windows Vista and later Windows 7, someone warned me to modify Windows by using the Wizard feature that comes with it. PAF5 then worked very well and still does. I also use Roots Magic but only to create large or small Wall charts, up to 20 ft long, and it also works very well on Windows 7. In such cases the data is imported from PAF5 data using a GEDCOM file. Recently decided to try out an IMac to see if my PAF5 program would work on it. It does, but one needs to also install Windows 7 with the Wizard, and have not yet found any problems, though it is new to me. I certainly don't intend to leave PAF5 and therefore have downloaded the ENG File off the Internet, saving it in condensed format on a Flash Drive for future use, in case the LDS removes it from their WebSite. I'm dedicated to AQ, Roost Magic and PAF5 as each has its use. Ross GH Cotton Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 Skype me at - Cottonian Library Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma I haven't sent an attachment if the details aren't mentioned above GOONS member responsible for tracking the surname COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide See http://home.comcast.net/~Cottondna/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ann My thoughts exactly However I thought it best to check out an alternative and also to see if there were any additional facilities that might improve on the PAF set up Having downloaded the free Ancestral Quest I find the very facilities that might persuade me to use AQ are not available in the free version If you want to take a look at it see http://www.ancquest.com/index.htm Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > At the moment, I have not tried AQ. I like many people am completely happy > with PAF 5.2. > I suppose I may have to consider trying AQ at some stage if what you say is > a likely scenario and PAF becomes incompatible with later Windows versions. > But I can say at the moment PAF still runs smoothly with Vista and Windows 7 > Brings to mind the old saying " If it aint broke , why fix it?" > kind regards > Ann

Lila wrote, > The LDS has announced that they are not going to continue updating or > supporting PAF, which seems to me to be the only reason to change as I'm > very satisfied with what it does. When I get settled after a move I'm > going to buy AQ and get used to it before I have to convert to a new > Windows version that won't handle PAF. Lila Just which version of Windows won't handle PAF? I have PAF 5.2 running on both our computers.... one computer on XP and the other computer on Win7 I have also have PAF installed and RUNNING on my laptop which uses Vista. I also use AQ v12.1.27 and after using it for some time now I find that I use it in preference to PAF. I have used PAF in it's various forms for about 25 years now but AQ gets the nod for all round performance. What I do like about AQ is that it interfaces smoothly with PAF without hiccups. Data integrity is maintained. Alterations and additions to data in either program on the same computer were automatically updated in the other. After importing Gedcoms I use Family Insight to do the 'match and merge' as this allows me far more control matching data and eliminating the need to edit out duplication of notes and marriages etc. that happen in PAF's merge. Don't get me wrong. PAF does do some things better, but not enough for it to be my primary program. Which is why I run the two programs in parallel for those occasions that I need those options. And yes, AQ is worth shelling out for. BTY, the cost is peanuts compared to the likes of Family Tree Maker which has more versions than the continuing story of Rocky Balboa. Regards Mike Harvey Merewether NSW mjharvey@bravo.net.au "Being over the hill is better than being under it." If you forward this correspondence, please delete the forwarding history, which includes my email address. It is a courtesy to me and others who may not wish to have their email addresses sent all over the world. Erasing the history helps prevent Spammers from mining addresses and viruses from being propagated ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17270) http://free.pctools.com/ =======

At the moment, I have not tried AQ. I like many people am completely happy with PAF 5.2. I suppose I may have to consider trying AQ at some stage if what you say is a likely scenario and PAF becomes incompatible with later Windows versions. But I can say at the moment PAF still runs smoothly with Vista and Windows 7 Brings to mind the old saying " If it aint broke , why fix it?" kind regards Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lila Garner" <lilagarner@hotmail.com> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Ancestral Quest > > Future versions of Windows are not expected to support PAF, or at least > that's what the warnings seem to be. I have it on 98, ME, and 2 XP and > it's okay. > >> From: mjharvey@bravo.net.au >> To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 10:26:28 +1000 >> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Ancestral Quest >> >> Lila wrote, >> >> > The LDS has announced that they are not going to continue updating or >> > supporting PAF, which seems to me to be the only reason to change as >> > I'm >> > very satisfied with what it does. When I get settled after a move I'm >> > going to buy AQ and get used to it before I have to convert to a new >> > Windows version that won't handle PAF. Lila >> >> Just which version of Windows won't handle PAF? >> >> I have PAF 5.2 running on both our computers.... one computer on XP and >> the >> other computer on Win7 >> >> I have also have PAF installed and RUNNING on my laptop which uses Vista. >> >> I also use AQ v12.1.27 and after using it for some time now I find that I >> use it in preference to PAF. >> I have used PAF in it's various forms for about 25 years now but AQ gets >> the >> nod for all round performance. >> >> What I do like about AQ is that it interfaces smoothly with PAF without >> hiccups. >> >> Data integrity is maintained. >> Alterations and additions to data in either program on the same computer >> were automatically updated in the other. >> >> After importing Gedcoms I use Family Insight to do the 'match and merge' >> as >> this allows me far more control >> matching data and eliminating the need to edit out duplication of notes >> and >> marriages etc. that happen in PAF's merge. >> >> Don't get me wrong. PAF does do some things better, but not enough for it >> to >> be my primary program. >> Which is why I run the two programs in parallel for those occasions that >> I >> need those options. >> >> And yes, AQ is worth shelling out for. BTY, the cost is peanuts compared >> to >> the likes of Family Tree Maker >> which has more versions than the continuing story of Rocky Balboa. >> >> Regards >> Mike Harvey >> Merewether NSW >> mjharvey@bravo.net.au >> "Being over the hill is better than being under it." >> >> If you forward this correspondence, please delete the forwarding history, >> which includes my email address. >> It is a courtesy to me and others who may not wish to have their email >> addresses sent all over the world. >> Erasing the history helps prevent Spammers from mining addresses and >> viruses >> from being propagated >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17270) >> http://free.pctools.com/ >> ======= >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Allow me to put my 2 cents worth in, on this subject. Have been using AQ for many years, but not as long as I have used PAF, nearly 25 years. My 9 different databases for my ONS (One Name Study), one for most geographical areas of the world, are in PAF5 and all data, over 100,000 records, is stored in PAF5. Use AQ for some specific functions, the most important is to sort one of the databases when looking for a specific person, ie. Charles Cotton of a specific area, a specific time frame and who was mar to a specific person. Since there are many Cottons with the given name of Charles, maybe over 1000, it is very hard to find him using PAF. When I was forced to start using Windows Vista and later Windows 7, someone warned me to modify Windows by using the Wizard feature that comes with it. PAF5 then worked very well and still does. I also use Roots Magic but only to create large or small Wall charts, up to 20 ft long, and it also works very well on Windows 7. In such cases the data is imported from PAF5 data using a GEDCOM file. Recently decided to try out an IMac to see if my PAF5 program would work on it. It does, but one needs to also install Windows 7 with the Wizard, and have not yet found any problems, though it is new to me. I certainly don't intend to leave PAF5 and therefore have downloaded the ENG File off the Internet, saving it in condensed format on a Flash Drive for future use, in case the LDS removes it from their WebSite. I'm dedicated to AQ, Roost Magic and PAF5 as each has its use. Ross GH Cotton Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 Skype me at - Cottonian Library Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma I haven't sent an attachment if the details aren't mentioned above GOONS member responsible for tracking the surname COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide See http://home.comcast.net/~Cottondna/