Bob, With Windows7 you just need the latest version of PAF Companion. You can get it here. http://progenygenealogy.com/Downloads/PAFCompanionDownload.aspx The older versions of PAF Companion have problems with 64-bit Windows7. (Some of the knowledgebase documents used by FamilySearch support are for older versions and only add to the confusion. The suggestion to switch to Adobe Reader 7 is an example of misinformation. It is not a solution to your problem.) If you have PAF Companion version 5.2 or higher your unlock codes will work with the latest version. Bill Buchanan On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Bob Demers <rdemers@roadrunner.com> wrote: > How, I pray, does one do this? > //Bob Demers/ > > On 4/14/2011 6:39 PM, Ross G. H. Cotton > wrote: > > Since you indicate that you are using Windows 7*I hope you have changed > the > > setup to use the Wizard so that Windows version thinks it is using an > > earlier version of Windows* ie. XP, to run PAF. > > > > > > > > Ross GH Cotton Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 > > Skype me at - Cottonian Library > > Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma > > I haven't sent an attachment if the details aren't mentioned above > > > > GOONS member responsible for tracking the surname COTTON, #1437 > > Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide > > See http://home.comcast.net/~Cottondna/ > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John C. Stone > > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:10 PM > > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [PAF-5] PAF 5.2 Companion - problem with some charts in Windows > 7 > > > > Hi, > > I joined the PAF users rootsweb site in hopes that someone might comment > on > > the problem with Companion in previewing and printing reports. With > Windows > > 7, several reports such as Fan and others do not respond to "Preview" or > > "Print" and shut the program down. Has anyone seen this problem, and if > so > > has anyone solved it? LDS said I might go back to Adobe Reader 7 instead > of > > later versions, but right now I'm not even using Adobe and I still can't > use > > several of the reports with Windows 7. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Bill Buchanan website: http://billbuchanan.byethost17.com blog: http://billbuchanan.blogspot.com

How, I pray, does one do this? //Bob Demers/ On 4/14/2011 6:39 PM, Ross G. H. Cotton wrote: > Since you indicate that you are using Windows 7*I hope you have changed the > setup to use the Wizard so that Windows version thinks it is using an > earlier version of Windows* ie. XP, to run PAF. > > > > Ross GH Cotton Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 > Skype me at - Cottonian Library > Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma > I haven't sent an attachment if the details aren't mentioned above > > GOONS member responsible for tracking the surname COTTON, #1437 > Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide > See http://home.comcast.net/~Cottondna/ > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Stone > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:10 PM > To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAF-5] PAF 5.2 Companion - problem with some charts in Windows 7 > > Hi, > I joined the PAF users rootsweb site in hopes that someone might comment on > the problem with Companion in previewing and printing reports. With Windows > 7, several reports such as Fan and others do not respond to "Preview" or > "Print" and shut the program down. Has anyone seen this problem, and if so > has anyone solved it? LDS said I might go back to Adobe Reader 7 instead of > later versions, but right now I'm not even using Adobe and I still can't use > several of the reports with Windows 7. >

John C. Stone wrote: > Hi, > I joined the PAF users rootsweb site in hopes that someone might comment on > the problem with Companion in previewing and printing reports. With Windows > 7, several reports such as Fan and others do not respond to "Preview" or > "Print" and shut the program down. Has anyone seen this problem, and if so > has anyone solved it? LDS said I might go back to Adobe Reader 7 instead of > later versions, but right now I'm not even using Adobe and I still can't use > several of the reports with Windows 7. > Your last two lines explain the problem: those charts only preview via Adobe-reader (or something it thinks is adobe-reader). Sorry. Cheryl

Since you indicate that you are using Windows 7 I hope you have changed the setup to use the Wizard so that Windows version thinks it is using an earlier version of Windows ie. XP, to run PAF. Ross GH Cotton Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 Skype me at - Cottonian Library Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma I haven't sent an attachment if the details aren't mentioned above GOONS member responsible for tracking the surname COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide See http://home.comcast.net/~Cottondna/ -----Original Message----- From: John C. Stone Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 6:10 PM To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] PAF 5.2 Companion - problem with some charts in Windows 7 Hi, I joined the PAF users rootsweb site in hopes that someone might comment on the problem with Companion in previewing and printing reports. With Windows 7, several reports such as Fan and others do not respond to "Preview" or "Print" and shut the program down. Has anyone seen this problem, and if so has anyone solved it? LDS said I might go back to Adobe Reader 7 instead of later versions, but right now I'm not even using Adobe and I still can't use several of the reports with Windows 7. -- John C. Stone II Vermont, USA jcstone2@gmail.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I joined the PAF users rootsweb site in hopes that someone might comment on the problem with Companion in previewing and printing reports. With Windows 7, several reports such as Fan and others do not respond to "Preview" or "Print" and shut the program down. Has anyone seen this problem, and if so has anyone solved it? LDS said I might go back to Adobe Reader 7 instead of later versions, but right now I'm not even using Adobe and I still can't use several of the reports with Windows 7. -- John C. Stone II Vermont, USA jcstone2@gmail.com

Hi Elaine Just to be perfectly clear, I am very grateful for access to the vast amount of records made available by the LDS and the various databases are an excellent resource separately My gripe is with the newfamilysearch site, the search engine has it appears been designed by a three year old with no idea of what they would require from a database, it has such potential yet is defeated by the search engine It has improved since its inception but has such a long way to go to be usable If you search for someone specifically in England, you do not want two thousand times the data for everyone in the USA, Canada and anywhere else you get results for and why do we need five to ten hits for the same record? I know the IGI is outdated and cannot carry the volume much less the type of records becoming available but a more sensible search mechanism is needed than the throw a dart at method we have presently It is as useless as new search on Ancestry Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have found that in most cases the way to get usable results is to do a search within specific > records rather than the person's name (even with dates and location) in the general search engine > (Texas Deaths, then "John Smith", for example). I still get a little frustrated when I also > get "Smithington" though alternate spellings like "Smithe" and "Smyth" can be useful. > > Elaine Oakes

Thanks Don It does sound rather like the later paid version of AQ Thanks for getting back to me much appreciated Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Nivard, > > Not a terrific amount, but there is a box showing the BMD events for the > highlighted person and a button for the Marriage record of the > highlighted person. There are additional buttons to add a spouse, order > spouses, and order children. > > I believe that there are different reports available too. > > There are 4 tabs across the top, the extra tab being like an individual > summary. > > Don.

Nivard, Not a terrific amount, but there is a box showing the BMD events for the highlighted person and a button for the Marriage record of the highlighted person. There are additional buttons to add a spouse, order spouses, and order children. I believe that there are different reports available too. There are 4 tabs across the top, the extra tab being like an individual summary. Don. On 12/04/2011 19:02, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Don > > I don't think I am interested in PAFFWIZ by the sounds of it but what does it mainly do that PAFF > doesn't? > > I did try BK a long time ago but didn't like it, I can't recall why<g> > > So have downloaded a fresh copy to try out > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Hi Nivard, >> >> I've been lurking, and watching this thread to see what came of it. >> >> I use PAF, or at least I did until I got into a testing of PAFWIZ which >> I now use all the time. No change to databases, they open in PAF or >> PAFWIZ equally. There are a few twiddly bits in PAFWIZ which are not in >> PAF which works for me. >> >> Unfortunately, PAFWIZ is no longer supported, but like PAF is no longer >> supported, I will keep using it. >> >> I do have the free copy of AQ, but rarely use it. >> >> I also use Brother's Keeper, but only for printing a drop line chart as >> it sets the information out the way I want to see it. Again, it is only >> the free version. >> >> Anyway, that's my 2 pennorth. >> >> Don Farnham. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Don I don't think I am interested in PAFFWIZ by the sounds of it but what does it mainly do that PAFF doesn't? I did try BK a long time ago but didn't like it, I can't recall why <g> So have downloaded a fresh copy to try out Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard, > > I've been lurking, and watching this thread to see what came of it. > > I use PAF, or at least I did until I got into a testing of PAFWIZ which > I now use all the time. No change to databases, they open in PAF or > PAFWIZ equally. There are a few twiddly bits in PAFWIZ which are not in > PAF which works for me. > > Unfortunately, PAFWIZ is no longer supported, but like PAF is no longer > supported, I will keep using it. > > I do have the free copy of AQ, but rarely use it. > > I also use Brother's Keeper, but only for printing a drop line chart as > it sets the information out the way I want to see it. Again, it is only > the free version. > > Anyway, that's my 2 pennorth. > > Don Farnham.

Hi Nivard, I've been lurking, and watching this thread to see what came of it. I use PAF, or at least I did until I got into a testing of PAFWIZ which I now use all the time. No change to databases, they open in PAF or PAFWIZ equally. There are a few twiddly bits in PAFWIZ which are not in PAF which works for me. Unfortunately, PAFWIZ is no longer supported, but like PAF is no longer supported, I will keep using it. I do have the free copy of AQ, but rarely use it. I also use Brother's Keeper, but only for printing a drop line chart as it sets the information out the way I want to see it. Again, it is only the free version. Anyway, that's my 2 pennorth. Don Farnham. On 12/04/2011 17:41, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Thanks for the response Ross > > I did think that may be the reason > > I don't think any of us like to change do we :-) > > As to receiving two copies of any mail? > > If you check the archives and there is only one copy there the problem is on your receiving end > > This is usually down to your ISP or set up and is more often than not the download being interrupted > before its finished so it downloads a second time , it happens more with dial up than broadband > > These duplications happen from time to time and usually stop as suddenly as they start > > Of late there has been a problem with SORBs the spam filters Rootsweb uses, they are rejecting an > awful lot of posts, yesterday I had to send seven times before it got through, not sure if thats a > factor here > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> Nivard asks "Any ideas why they or you don't use AQ all the time" >> >> I have used PAF for many years and am comfortable with it. I am not used >> to AQ layout on the main page nor the various items on the Task bar, so keep >> to PAF. Maybe my age is a factor? >> >> I have a question for Nivard. Why do I always receive 2 copies of your >> messages??? >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the response Ross I did think that may be the reason I don't think any of us like to change do we :-) As to receiving two copies of any mail? If you check the archives and there is only one copy there the problem is on your receiving end This is usually down to your ISP or set up and is more often than not the download being interrupted before its finished so it downloads a second time , it happens more with dial up than broadband These duplications happen from time to time and usually stop as suddenly as they start Of late there has been a problem with SORBs the spam filters Rootsweb uses, they are rejecting an awful lot of posts, yesterday I had to send seven times before it got through, not sure if thats a factor here Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Nivard asks "Any ideas why they or you don't use AQ all the time" > > I have used PAF for many years and am comfortable with it. I am not used > to AQ layout on the main page nor the various items on the Task bar, so keep > to PAF. Maybe my age is a factor? > > I have a question for Nivard. Why do I always receive 2 copies of your > messages??? > >

Nivard, I agree with you totally. I am very grateful for the new documents and records available. I appreciate all the hours, days, weeks and months of work that went into getting them ready. The search engine is the BIG problem. I live in hopes that it will be improved upon. Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] PAF-5-USERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 65/New FamilySearch > Hi Elaine > > Just to be perfectly clear, I am very grateful for access to the vast > amount of records made > available by the LDS and the various databases are an excellent resource > separately > > My gripe is with the newfamilysearch site, the search engine has it > appears been designed by a three > year old with no idea of what they would require from a database, it has > such potential yet is > defeated by the search engine > > It has improved since its inception but has such a long way to go to be > usable > > If you search for someone specifically in England, you do not want two > thousand times the data for > everyone in the USA, Canada and anywhere else you get results for and why > do we need five to ten > hits for the same record? > > I know the IGI is outdated and cannot carry the volume much less the type > of records becoming > available but a more sensible search mechanism is needed than the throw a > dart at method we have > presently > > It is as useless as new search on Ancestry > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >>I have found that in most cases the way to get usable results is to do a >>search within specific >> records rather than the person's name (even with dates and location) in >> the general search engine >> (Texas Deaths, then "John Smith", for example). I still get a little >> frustrated when I also >> get "Smithington" though alternate spellings like "Smithe" and "Smyth" >> can be useful. >> >> Elaine Oakes > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have found that in most cases the way to get usable results is to do a search within specific records rather than the person's name (even with dates and location) in the general search engine (Texas Deaths, then "John Smith", for example). I still get a little frustrated when I also get "Smithington" though alternate spellings like "Smithe" and "Smyth" can be useful. Elaine Oakes >>>I am glad to hear to you found new records in the newfamilysearch I find it a dispiriting experience So many multiple copies of the same data, and trying to narrow it down to something useful is a tiresome task I return every now and then in the hope it will improve as it has since it was launched but still a long way to go I just hope they keep the old familysearch open as the new is hopeless at present Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <shmartonak@ticnet.com> To: <paf-5-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Family Search <snip> > I do have a few criticisms though: > > The search forms seem to be unnecessarily limited and the search engines > are attrocious. Please let me look for people in a particular Oklahoma > county who were born in Alabama during a certain time frame. Also, if I'm > looking for JONESes in Oklahoma, why are you showing me SMITHs in Maine? > Just as a general principle, one should be able to search on any field or > combination of fields. > > But my real complaint is with the sources and citations. They just don't > seem to give them. I don't think it's adequate to simply say a marriage > record is from film #1234567. I would like to say film #1234567 of Jones > County GA Marriage Book AA page 321. I would like to say where the > original record can be found, even if that's not where I got the > information. > > On some of their census records they do not have the image available. > But again they don't give enough information to find the census record > elsewhere. At least they should give the county! > > All just my humble opinion. > > Steve What do you want for nothing Steve? Still, you are humble in your opinion.

Hi Ross Thanks for yours on the subject A few people have said they use PAF and AQ on occasion to do this or that which leaves me wondering why they don't use AQ all the time Any ideas why they or you don't use AQ all the time ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Allow me to put my 2 cents worth in, on this subject. > > Have been using AQ for many years, but not as long as I have used PAF, > nearly 25 years. My 9 different databases for my ONS (One Name Study), one > for most geographical areas of the world, are in PAF5 and all data, over > 100,000 records, is stored in PAF5. Use AQ for some specific functions, the > most important is to sort one of the databases when looking for a specific

Hi Ellen Many thanks for your reply I have tried the basic AQ and apart from looking a little more modern it does not appear to add much to PAF A couple of the extras I was interested in were the research log side, ie Research Manager & the to do list Do you use that and is it usable ? There is mention of an "individual" screen (a tab in the main view page), but on checking that it shows its only part of the paid version, I have watched the tutorial video and don't see mention of it , is it any different to the usual individuals edit screen? I just wondered why the tab doesn't work unless its different in some way? There are one or two interesting things with AQ so am debating if its worth the paid the version or not Any other good things you find with AQ not available in PAF ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello Nivard, > > Yes. First you open your database in PAF. Then, under Tools you select Ancestral Quest. That opens > the same database in AQ. You make whatever changes or additions you wish to make within AQ, then > you close AQ. Closing AQ brings up the same database (with your new changes) in PAF. You will > actually see PAF on the quick launch bar at the bottom -- it appears to still be open. However you > cannot return to PAF until you close AQ. If you click on the link to PAF at the bottom, it opens > PAF with an empty data screen. > > Changing data in this manner within PAF but using AQ for the changes does not change the format of > the database from a PAF file. There are options within AQ to save the data in AQ format, but once > you do that you cannot reopen it in PAF without using a gedcom file. > > I hope this is helpful. I've no idea if AQbasic will open a PAF file since I have the paid version > of AQ. You can certainly download AQ Basic, load it onto your computer, and then open your PAF > file to see if AQ is an option from within PAF. > > Ellen

Nivard asks "Any ideas why they or you don't use AQ all the time" I have used PAF for many years and am comfortable with it. I am not used to AQ layout on the main page nor the various items on the Task bar, so keep to PAF. Maybe my age is a factor? I have a question for Nivard. Why do I always receive 2 copies of your messages??? Ross GH Cotton Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 Skype me at - Cottonian Library Genealogy of the Cotton surname is my Enigma I haven't sent an attachment if the details aren't mentioned above GOONS member responsible for tracking the surname COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide See http://home.comcast.net/~Cottondna/ -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:23 AM To: paf-5-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Ancestral Quest Hi Ross Thanks for yours on the subject A few people have said they use PAF and AQ on occasion to do this or that which leaves me wondering why they don't use AQ all the time Any ideas why they or you don't use AQ all the time ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Allow me to put my 2 cents worth in, on this subject. > > Have been using AQ for many years, but not as long as I have used PAF, > nearly 25 years. My 9 different databases for my ONS (One Name Study), > one > for most geographical areas of the world, are in PAF5 and all data, over > 100,000 records, is stored in PAF5. Use AQ for some specific functions, > the > most important is to sort one of the databases when looking for a specific ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAF-5-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Definitely not useless. I've been able to add a couple more generations to my ancestors still in Europe. And yes I could've just ordered the film at my local FHC but the last time I did that it was seven weeks before the film got there. Accessing the information from home plus it already being in digital form is a great benefit for me. And you can't beat free. One thing I have learned in the past couple of days is that their images are in grayscale, unlike HeritageQuest which has B&W images. This means that you can use software to manipulate things like contrast and threshold which can make an otherwise unreadable document useful. I do have a few criticisms though: The search forms seem to be unnecessarily limited and the search engines are attrocious. Please let me look for people in a particular Oklahoma county who were born in Alabama during a certain time frame. Also, if I'm looking for JONESes in Oklahoma, why are you showing me SMITHs in Maine? Just as a general principle, one should be able to search on any field or combination of fields. But my real complaint is with the sources and citations. They just don't seem to give them. I don't think it's adequate to simply say a marriage record is from film #1234567. I would like to say film #1234567 of Jones County GA Marriage Book AA page 321. I would like to say where the original record can be found, even if that's not where I got the information. On some of their census records they do not have the image available. But again they don't give enough information to find the census record elsewhere. At least they should give the county! All just my humble opinion. Steve -- > From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> > I have given up with it as its all but useless

7th time of posting Hi Bill I am glad to hear to you found new records in the newfamilysearch I find it a dispiriting experience So many multiple copies of the same data, and trying to narrow it down to something useful is a tiresome task I return every now and then in the hope it will improve as it has since it was launched but still a long way to go I just hope they keep the old familysearch open as the new is hopeless at present Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I have found good records in it that were not in the old version, including > the christening of my 2ggf Robert Ing. > > > Bill Buchanan

Well Ethel You are the first person I have heard that likes it I have given up with it as its all but useless The Old familysearch is still available, look towards the bottom of the newfamilysearch screen in tiny writing Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >i have just recently returned to Family Search after quite an absence, > I'm very impressed with the new look and the ease of use,(and the fact I was > able to solve a big problem right away!) I have one question though : > what has happened to IGI; is it a part of historical documents? > > Ethel in Nebraska