At one time, someone on the list mentioned PAF Insight. I can't find the message now, can someone tell me where I can get one ? Also, is it a CD? Mel

Hi, I've recently composed a large file in my normal FH software, The Master Genealogist. However on beginning to send it round other people as a GEDCOM it became apparent that all sorts of funny things happened when it was opened. I installed PAF 5.0 to try to make it openable by as many people as possible, and tried to import said GEDCOM - result little flashing boxes telling me about errors etc, so many that it was obvious it would never import sensibly so I abandoned it. Next step - try to save as a PAF file from TMG and open in PAF. Easy! No! I can save it & get a file on my disc with the .paf suffix and the fetching little PAF icon but when I try to open it PAF simply closes down. No warning, no flashing boxes, it just vanishes from the screen as if I'd never opened it. The GEDCOM works in TMG and also opens in Legacy so this seems to either be problem with PAF or with something I am doing. As a new user I don't know what, and I can't find anything in the help file either. Can anyone help me? Adrian

While I do not doubt people's experiences with problems, I personally combine files from PAF 5.2, FTM, Legacy, etc. all the time. I export/import/etc. and I have had no problems. I have never lost a parent/child relationship or had non-bio parents become bio parents. In my immediate family we have multiple combinations of biological, adoptive, sealed, etc. parents often where one is biological and the other is adoptive. My oldest son is my wife's by her first marriage but I am his adoptive father. It has always worked for me. It is true that I do not create my own custom database fields, I stick with the many ones that are provided. Alan Mission Viejo, calif > From: "E.Rodier" <cerear@telusplanet.net> > Date: 2005/02/24 Thu PM 01:19:16 EST > To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Is this a PAF problem, or my other software? > > Adrian, > If you want to share data with individuals using different genealogy > programs, it is best to test file transfers *during* data entry and avoid > custom fields. PAF has one source field that is shorter than GED 5.5 > standard. Other programs used the same field for lengthy source text though > the standard was about three lines. > > Child-parent relationships are lost in all (or most) file transfers *or* may > be changed from non-bio to bio relationships. It might be helpful to search > for all non-bio relationships and remove them before a file transfer between > genealogy programs. has issues with non-bio child-parent relationships. > > Advanced programs allow sources for name variations. PAF is limited to the > main name without a source. Highly detailed source and repository data entry > methods are known to cause file transfer problems. Custom GEDCOM tags with > underlines are usually ignored by the importing program. > > Do you have any children attached to non-bio parents? PAF assumes that a > child has the same relationship to two parents. If one or both bio parents > remarried, the child might be attached to other marriages with a bio > relationship or a non-bio relationship. > > One of the list participants kept the bio relationship for father's second > marriage and non-bio relationship for the mother's second marriage in a PAF > test file. > > Other Windows genealogy programs going back to 1993 have allowed children to > be attached to one bio parent and second spouse and/or two bio parents > and/or two non-bio parents -- always with individual child-parent > relationships. -- Elizabeth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Gray" > > I've recently composed a large file in my normal FH software, The Master > > Genealogist. > > However on beginning to send it round other people as a GEDCOM it became > > apparent > > that all sorts of funny things happened when it was opened. > > > > I installed PAF 5.0 to try to make it openable by as many people as > > possible, and tried to > > import said GEDCOM - result little flashing boxes telling me about errors > > etc, so many > > that it was obvious it would never import sensibly so I abandoned it. > > > > Next step - try to save as a PAF file from TMG and open in PAF. Easy! No! > > I can save it > > & get a file on my disc with the .paf suffix and the fetching little PAF > > icon but when I try to > > open it PAF simply closes down. No warning, no flashing boxes, it just > > vanishes from the > > screen as if I'd never opened it. > > > > The GEDCOM works in TMG and also opens in Legacy so this seems to either > > be > > problem with PAF or with something I am doing. As a new user I don't know > > what, and I > > can't find anything in the help file either. > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > PAF-5-USERS Mailing List Search > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=PAF-5-USERS > >

A good test of PAF child-parent and spouse relationships is a GEDCOM transfer to a second genealogy program followed by a GEDCOM transfer back to the original program used for data entry. Compare descendant reports before and after the GEDCOM round trip. If the second program uses "direct import" or Genbridge for PAF files, the results may be slightly different than the PAF GEDCOM import. Current versions of genealogy programs may be different than those as old as PAF 5 released Dec 2000 and last updated July 2002, I'm guessing those dates from some archived messages. -- Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- > While I do not doubt people's experiences with problems, I personally > combine files from PAF 5.2, FTM, Legacy, etc. all the time. I > export/import/etc. and I have had no problems. > > I have never lost a parent/child relationship or had non-bio parents > become bio parents. In my immediate family we have multiple combinations > of biological, adoptive, sealed, etc. parents often where one is > biological and the other is adoptive. My oldest son is my wife's by her > first marriage but I am his adoptive father. It has always worked for me. > It is true that I do not create my own custom database fields, I stick > with the many ones that are provided. > Alan

Adrian, If you want to share data with individuals using different genealogy programs, it is best to test file transfers *during* data entry and avoid custom fields. PAF has one source field that is shorter than GED 5.5 standard. Other programs used the same field for lengthy source text though the standard was about three lines. Child-parent relationships are lost in all (or most) file transfers *or* may be changed from non-bio to bio relationships. It might be helpful to search for all non-bio relationships and remove them before a file transfer between genealogy programs. "Direct entry" of PAF 5 files by two other genealogy programs has issues with non-bio child-parent relationships. Advanced programs allow sources for name variations. PAF is limited to the main name without a source. Highly detailed source and repository data entry methods are known to cause file transfer problems. Custom GEDCOM tags with underlines are usually ignored by the importing program. Do you have any children attached to non-bio parents? PAF assumes that a child has the same relationship to two parents. If one or both bio parents remarried, the child might be attached to other marriages with a bio relationship or a non-bio relationship. One of the list participants kept the bio relationship for father's second marriage and non-bio relationship for the mother's second marriage in a PAF test file. Other Windows genealogy programs going back to 1993 have allowed children to be attached to one bio parent and second spouse and/or two bio parents and/or two non-bio parents -- always with individual child-parent relationships. -- Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Gray" > I've recently composed a large file in my normal FH software, The Master > Genealogist. > However on beginning to send it round other people as a GEDCOM it became > apparent > that all sorts of funny things happened when it was opened. > > I installed PAF 5.0 to try to make it openable by as many people as > possible, and tried to > import said GEDCOM - result little flashing boxes telling me about errors > etc, so many > that it was obvious it would never import sensibly so I abandoned it. > > Next step - try to save as a PAF file from TMG and open in PAF. Easy! No! > I can save it > & get a file on my disc with the .paf suffix and the fetching little PAF > icon but when I try to > open it PAF simply closes down. No warning, no flashing boxes, it just > vanishes from the > screen as if I'd never opened it. > > The GEDCOM works in TMG and also opens in Legacy so this seems to either > be > problem with PAF or with something I am doing. As a new user I don't know > what, and I > can't find anything in the help file either.

I have been extracting the marriage register of a European church record [Kirchenbuch] into an Excel-file [*.xls] . Is there a method of converting this file into a Gedcom-file [*.ged] ? Many thanks + regards - Bernd Brozio

Hi Peggy Can't help you with World Connect but as far as GEDCOMs go PAF 5 will include pictures if you click on Multimedia when you create the GEDCOM. The GEDOM does not include the pictures but only the links. You will need to send the picture files with the GEDCOM. The person receiving the combination simply finds one of the pictures and PAF will change all the links. Works well. Doug Little Florida "artnpeg@epix.net" <artnpeg@epix.net> wrote: I have added a photocopy of a marriage license to one of my individuals, and when I uploaded my gedcom to World Connect I had hoped that this document would somehow be accessible to anyone looking at this individual. Unfortunately it doesn't show but instead the following shows: # ID: I45 # Name: Henry RIGGS # Surname: RIGGS # Given Name: Henry # Sex: M # Birth: 1826 in AL # _UID: 2536B416F3CD9746857D00A18FF197AC28A0 # Change Date: 23 Jan 2005 at 09:21:35 # OBJE: # FORM: jpg # FILE: C:\peg\peg-riggs\henryr~1-1_1.jpg # Title: Marriage License to M.E. HILL # _SCBK: Y # _PRIM: Y # _TYPE: PHOTO # _SSHOW: Y Is there some special way that I need to set my gedcom up so I can get my photocopied documents, etc. to display on World Connect? Peggy Riggs Kopp ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uindex.php --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

Hi Peggy, The main objective of the GEDCOM standard was to have a file that is limited to ASCII text so that anyone would be able to build an import and export function to exchange data. Once you start to include non-ASCII code such as photos or images, then the whole point of GEDCOM is lost. However, I suspect that GEDCOM will be supplanted some day with an XML standard and everyone will have to convert their import and export routines to support the XML version. I have actually seen a document that is an XML version of GEDCOM, so I know that it is in the works. Richard Rands At 08:24 AM 2/21/2005, artnpeg@epix.net wrote: >I have added a photocopy of a marriage license to one of my individuals, >and when I uploaded my gedcom to World Connect I had hoped that this >document would somehow be accessible to anyone looking at this >individual. Unfortunately it doesn't show but instead the following shows: > ># ID: I45 ># Name: Henry RIGGS ># Surname: RIGGS ># Given Name: Henry ># Sex: M ># Birth: 1826 in AL ># _UID: 2536B416F3CD9746857D00A18FF197AC28A0 ># Change Date: 23 Jan 2005 at 09:21:35 ># OBJE: ># FORM: jpg ># FILE: C:\peg\peg-riggs\henryr~1-1_1.jpg ># Title: Marriage License to M.E. HILL ># _SCBK: Y ># _PRIM: Y ># _TYPE: PHOTO ># _SSHOW: Y > >Is there some special way that I need to set my gedcom up so I can get my >photocopied documents, etc. to display on World Connect? > >Peggy Riggs Kopp > > > >==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >PAF-5-USERS Mailing List >http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uindex.php

Greetings, I've been lurking here for a while picking up tips on using PAF5. What I'm wondering is, is there a pocket PC compatable version of PAF5 that I can run on my Dell Axim X5 that will allow me to syncronize my data between my desktop and PPC. I've been trying out Pocket Geneologist but ir requires conversion to gedcom and therefor data can be transfered but not sync'd. Also, it is optimized for Legacy Family Tree and will sync with that program. All help appriciated. BTW-My line is BUFORD from VA/KY. Farthest back is 1820. Joe Buford __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com

If we are too far off topic here please say so. I like it because it is so easy to browse through. There isn't a way to edit it except maybe overwriting photos with updated ones. I've had the site up for 5 or 6 years on different servers. I needed support to get it working first time and Michael Horey helped me. It is a java application and must be compiled but don't let that scare you. Follow the steps and it will work. 1. Export your GEDCOM as "Other GEDCOM 5.5". Must be ANSI! 2. Make a new folder where you can find it easily and name it something like "My GEDCOM". 3. Copy the GEDCOM to that folder. 4. Make 3 new folders under My GEDCOM and name them "Photos", "Comments", and "index.html". 5. Gather all of the photos you want to use into one folder somewhere. Resize them to 15 KB or less, (group photos may need to be larger). Windows XP Power Toys has a photo resizer that works well. 6. Move your resized photos to the Photos folder and rename them 001.jpg through 100.jpg or however many you have. I think they must be jpg. 7. Make a plain text file with headers and comments for each photo and put it in the Comments folder. 8. Fire up dftcom2 and point it to the GEDCOM, (it won't know where to find it first time). 9. Select your browser, (important). 10. Set photos to interactive. 11. Start compiling. It will allow you to select and add the photos. When you add a photo find the person it matches. To avoid sorting through your whole database type in the person's name exactly as it is in the GEDCOM such as "Robert J. Linn". Then copy your header and comments in before going to the next photo. IMPORTANT, do not click OK until you have added all of the photos. 12. dftcom2 will put your website in your My GEDCOM folder and you can preview it. 13. Go to the Website folder and rename "example.html" "index.html". 14. Using an HTML editor, add your comments etc. I use Front Page and Dreamweaver but there are a lot of them available free. 15. Upload all of the files in the website folder to your server. Just the files, not the folder. 16. Post the address of your website here. We want to see it. Note: Your source data will not show on the website but all of the notes will. -----Original Message----- From: h cardinal [mailto:harcardinal@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:01 AM To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] Backup to website Bill, Your site is incredible! I particularly like the Dynamic Family Tree software you're using. http://userweb.suscom.net/~billinn/ I searched on google and found the website for Dynamic Family Tree http://www.dftcom2.co.uk/ When did you put up your website? Have you used this software very long? Had any difficulties? Would you recommend it? I had no idea that this was available free. Thanks! Harriet ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List Search http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=PAF-5-USERS

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090805010001060604050503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My attempt to send the J scripts as attachments showed up in my inbox in a form that quite dis-satisfied me. The three files can be downloaded from http://www.infowest.com/personal/w/wbs/note_obit_finds.ijs http://www.infowest.com/personal/w/wbs/note_obit.ijs http://www.infowest.com/personal/w/wbs/note_obit2.ijs When I tried to make a index.html through which to download these something didn't work right and I don't have time right now to chase it down. The browser I use is Mozilla Firefox. It displayed the text of these scripts. Then I could do a save-as to save them to disk. I haven't tested to see what MSIE does. Let me know how things go (good or bad) Lorin --------------090805010001060604050503 Content-Type: text/plain; name="note_obit_finds.ijs" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="note_obit_finds.ijs" NB. load 'files' load 'regex' OBIT_Rins =: '' PRBLM_Rins =: '' ChgLog =: '' main =: 3 : 0 fn =: wd 'mbopen "" "\zhold" "*.ged"' aa =: (1!:1) <fn f =. LF,'0 ' b =. 1, _1}. f E. aa perInd each b <;.1 aa if. 0 = #ChgLog do. wdinfo 'Didn''t find any Source records',LF,'with "OBIT" in the title.' else. if. 1 = +/ ','=ChgLog do. wdinfo 'Change @S7@ in note_obit.ijs to @',}.ChgLog,'@ on line 64' end. end. ) perInd =: 3 : 0 if. +/ ' INDI' E. y. do. '' return. end. if. +/ '1 SOUR PAF' E. y. do. '' return. end. if. +/ '1 HUSB ' E. y. do. '' return. end. if. +/ '1 WIFE ' E. y. do. '' return. end. if. 0 = +/ ' SOUR' E. y. do. '' return. end. Rin =: 3}. 50{. y. j =. Rin i. '@' Rin =: j{.Rin b =. '1 TITL ' E. y. a =. b <;.1 y. if. 0 = +/'OBIT' E. >{.a do. 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See RIN: ',Rin end. if. +/ '2 CON' E. p do. wdinfo 'It looks like we might have a Source: entry',LF,'that takes more than one line. See RIN ',Rin end. d =. ; +/ each '2 CONT Date:'&E. each D d =. 13}. ; d # D R =. (>0{transform1a),p,(>1{transform1a),' ',(>2{transform1a),a,(>3{transform1a),d,(>4{transform1a) ChgLog =: ChgLog,'vvv ============',Rin,'==============',LF,y.,'-------------------------------',LF,R,'^^^ ===========================',LF R ) main 0 --------------090805010001060604050503 Content-Type: text/plain; name="note_obit2.ijs" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="note_obit2.ijs" NB. load 'files' load 'regex' OBIT_Rins =: '' PRBLM_Rins =: '' ChgLog =: '' main =: 3 : 0 fn =: wd 'mbopen "" "\zhold" "*.ged"' aa =: (1!:1) <fn f =. LF,'0 ' b =. 1, _1}. f E. aa ab =. ; perInd each b <;.1 aa ab (1!:2) < '-obt2.ged',~ _4}.fn ) perInd =: 3 : 0 if. 0 = +/ ' INDI' E. y. do. '' return. end. Name =: '' Rin =: 3}. 50{. y. j =. Rin i. 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GEDCOM does not include photographs or other attachments. The standard for GEDCOM was written before such attachments became common. Eldon J. Edgin 14908 Woodbriar Drive Dallas, Texas 75248 Phone: (972) 991-4891 eedgin@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <artnpeg@epix.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: [PAF-5] Photocopied Documents >I have added a photocopy of a marriage license to one of my individuals, >and when I uploaded my gedcom to World Connect I had hoped that this >document would somehow be accessible to anyone looking at this individual. >Unfortunately it doesn't show but instead the following shows: > > # ID: I45 > # Name: Henry RIGGS > # Surname: RIGGS > # Given Name: Henry > # Sex: M > # Birth: 1826 in AL > # _UID: 2536B416F3CD9746857D00A18FF197AC28A0 > # Change Date: 23 Jan 2005 at 09:21:35 > # OBJE: > # FORM: jpg > # FILE: C:\peg\peg-riggs\henryr~1-1_1.jpg > # Title: Marriage License to M.E. HILL > # _SCBK: Y > # _PRIM: Y > # _TYPE: PHOTO > # _SSHOW: Y > > Is there some special way that I need to set my gedcom up so I can get my > photocopied documents, etc. to display on World Connect? > > Peggy Riggs Kopp > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > PAF-5-USERS Mailing List > http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uindex.php >

My 2 favourite ways to backup on the web: Send an email to my gmail account with the backup file attached. A ged or paf file would also work if they aren't too huge. If you don't have gmail(with it's 1gig storage), get an account here- http://isnoop.net/gmail/ The other is upload your gedcom to Rootsweb's World Connect. That is the easiest way to share your data on the web anyway, and you have control of the gedcom if you want to make changes or remove it. More important here is the option to retrieve your ged if you need it. Very easy once you have signed in to your account. David Creelman

I have added a photocopy of a marriage license to one of my individuals, and when I uploaded my gedcom to World Connect I had hoped that this document would somehow be accessible to anyone looking at this individual. Unfortunately it doesn't show but instead the following shows: # ID: I45 # Name: Henry RIGGS # Surname: RIGGS # Given Name: Henry # Sex: M # Birth: 1826 in AL # _UID: 2536B416F3CD9746857D00A18FF197AC28A0 # Change Date: 23 Jan 2005 at 09:21:35 # OBJE: # FORM: jpg # FILE: C:\peg\peg-riggs\henryr~1-1_1.jpg # Title: Marriage License to M.E. HILL # _SCBK: Y # _PRIM: Y # _TYPE: PHOTO # _SSHOW: Y Is there some special way that I need to set my gedcom up so I can get my photocopied documents, etc. to display on World Connect? Peggy Riggs Kopp

Bill, Your site is incredible! I particularly like the Dynamic Family Tree software you're using. http://userweb.suscom.net/~billinn/ I searched on google and found the website for Dynamic Family Tree http://www.dftcom2.co.uk/ When did you put up your website? Have you used this software very long? Had any difficulties? Would you recommend it? I had no idea that this was available free. Thanks! Harriet

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060004070707050900070107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandy Rozhon wrote: >On 17 Feb 2005 at 9:03, Lorin Lund wrote: > > > >>I have a script (program) written that will extract the OBIT: data. >>This is a preliminary program. It doesn't "plop into events". Partly >>because I am unclear about what you mean by 'plop into events'. But >>this program will produce a file of the OBIT: data. >> >> > >Ok, I've had some time to cogitate on what I meant by "plop into >events" and this is what I had in mind. Nearly every obit that I >have is in a standardized format of one type or another. Here is an >example fo type #1: > >OBIT: Name: Gasior, Stanley >Date: Feb 10 1947 >Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #028. >Notes: Gasior, Stanley, late residence, 1213 Denison Ave., beloved >brother of Julia Godek and Albert Gasior. Funeral services Wed., Feb. >12, from A. J. Tomon & Sons Funeral Home, 2144 W. 14 St., at 8:30 and >at 9 a. m. at St. Barbara's Church. > >This is an example of type #2 (which may appear as one line or two: > >GASIOR, RUDOLPH A : Husband of Helen (Obit.). Plain Dealer 15 Jun, >1980, pg. 15 sec. B > >or > >GASIOR, RUDOLPH A : Husband of Helen (Obit.). >Plain Dealer 15 Jun, 1980, pg. 15 sec. B > >Now what I would like is that if an OBIT tag exists, then put in a >citation as an "Individual Source". I simply use the source name >OBIT since the 99.9% all come from the same city. The text of the >longer type of obit could go into "actual text". The shorter type >would probably just go in the page field, date field, and comments >for the name. > > > >>If you are interested in pursuing this let me know. Also, to run this >>script requires some >>other files. If you have a high speed Internet connection the easiest >>way to get those >>files is to download and install the 'J' computer language from >>http://www.jsoftware.com/download/j503a.exe >> >> > >Fortunately, I have cable access...I'll take a look at the 'J' files. > Let me know if my task seems too complicated. > >Thanks, >Sandy > > Here are 3 scripts for different parts of the obit -> event project. They all want to read a GEDCOM file. This should be a file of your whole dataset. Since I didn't know the SrcRin of the source record you wanted these citations tied to I wrote this little script (note_obit_finds.ijs) to look for a Source with 'OBIT' in the title. It should prompt you to make a change to 'note_obit.ijs' to set the correct SrcRin. Note_obit.ijs will create a GEDCOM file (in the same folder as the one it read - the name will have '-obt' tacked on the end - before the '.ged') If you are familiar with GEDCOM you might want to puruse it directly or load it into a new, empty PAF file. This isn't a finished product because this script only addresses the first form. But it will give you something to analyze to see if I got it right, to see if this script catches all the records you intended it to catch .... It also produces a log file: '\change.log'. This will be 'C:\change.log' unless you install J on some other drive. The third script, 'note_obit2.ijs' is an exploration expedition to help me understand the second form better. It produces a file with '-obt2' stuck in the filename but it really isn't a gedcom file. For every individual that has a '(Obit.)' or '(Obit)' or '(Obit,)' (just in case you have some typos) in the notes it extracts the name section and the Notes section. I would have put in other possible typo variations in the search but I'm not very good at guessing what variations might arise. Some of the questions I had in mind to explore by this means are: 1) Is the name (in all caps) that precedes the colon the same or different from the name of the individual whose notes this occurs in. (I.E. are these kind of entries always references to evidence of relationship to someone else) 2) Is there always a blank line before and after such entries. 3) Does the '1 line' form ever wrap to multiple lines in the export to GEDCOM process? But more important than these questions are the ones that don't occur to me to ask. Viewing this file will probably raise many other questions and provide the answers to all or most of them. --------------060004070707050900070107 Content-Type: text/plain; name="note_obit_finds.ijs" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="note_obit_finds.ijs" NB. load 'files' load 'regex' OBIT_Rins =: '' PRBLM_Rins =: '' ChgLog =: '' main =: 3 : 0 fn =: wd 'mbopen "" "\zhold" "*.ged"' aa =: (1!:1) <fn f =. LF,'0 ' b =. 1, _1}. f E. aa perInd each b <;.1 aa if. 0 = #ChgLog do. wdinfo 'Didn''t find any Source records',LF,'with "OBIT" in the title.' else. if. 1 = +/ ','=ChgLog do. wdinfo 'Change @S7@ in note_obit.ijs to @',}.ChgLog,'@ on line 64' end. end. ) perInd =: 3 : 0 if. +/ ' INDI' E. y. do. '' return. end. if. +/ '1 SOUR PAF' E. y. do. '' return. end. if. +/ '1 HUSB ' E. y. do. '' return. end. if. +/ '1 WIFE ' E. y. do. '' return. end. if. 0 = +/ ' SOUR' E. y. do. '' return. end. Rin =: 3}. 50{. y. j =. Rin i. '@' Rin =: j{.Rin b =. '1 TITL ' E. y. a =. b <;.1 y. if. 0 = +/'OBIT' E. >{.a do. '' return. end. if. #ChgLog do. wdinfo 'I can''t determine which Source',LF,'record to link to for OBIT records.' end. ChgLog =: ChgLog,',',Rin ) main 0 --------------060004070707050900070107 Content-Type: text/plain; name="note_obit.ijs" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="note_obit.ijs" NB. load 'files' load 'regex' OBIT_Rins =: '' PRBLM_Rins =: '' ChgLog =: '' main =: 3 : 0 fn =: wd 'mbopen "" "\zhold" "*.ged"' aa =: (1!:1) <fn f =. LF,'0 ' b =. 1, _1}. f E. aa ab =. ; perInd each b <;.1 aa ab (1!:2) < '-obt.ged',~ _4}.fn ChgLog (1!:2) <'\change.log' ) perInd =: 3 : 0 if. 0 = +/ ' INDI' E. y. do. y. return. end. YI =: y. Rin =: 3}. 50{. y. j =. Rin i. '@' Rin =: j{.Rin NB. Y =: y. f =. LF,'1 ' b =. 0, _1}. f E. y. a =. (b i. 1) {. y. a , ; perlev1 each b <;.1 y. ) perlev1 =: 3 : 0 OBIT =: 0 if. 0 = '1 NOTE' -: 6{.y. do. y. return. end. if. 0 = +/b =. ' OBIT:' E. y. do. y. return. end. OBIT =: 1 NB. YL1 =: y. j =. b i. 1 t0 =. (j-6){.y. t =. (j-6)}.y. NB. T =: t b =. '^2 CONT [A-Z]+:' rxE t if. 0 = $b do. t9 =. end. tp =. b<;.1 t if. +/b do. if. 0{b do. echo 'starts with 1 total: ',": n =. +/b if. n>1 do. r =. transform1 >0{tp t0,(; }. tp),r return. else. t0, transform1 t return. end. else. echo 'doesn''t start with 1, total: ',":+/b y. return. end. else. echo 'found nothing' y. return. end. ) transform1a =: <;.(_1) 0 : 0 |1 SOUR @S7@ 2 PAGE |2 NOTE | 2 DATA 3 TEXT |3 DATE | ) transform1 =: 3 : 0 if. 0 = #y. do. '' return. end. NB. YT =: y. b =. '2 CONT Date:' E. y. b =. b + '2 CONT Source:' E. y. b =. 1,}.b + '2 CONT Notes:' E. y. NB. echo '$b';($b);' $y.';$y. D =: b <;.1 y. NB. +/ D '2 CONT Notes:'&E. each D a =. ; +/ each '2 CONT Notes:'&E. each D try. a =. ('2 CONT';'4 CONT') rxrplc X =: 14 }. ; a # D catch. '' return. end. p =. ; +/ each '2 CONT Source:'&E. each D p =. 15}. ; p # D if. 91 < # p do. wdinfo 'Tell Lorin that we have a page # field',LF,'that is too long. See RIN: ',Rin end. if. +/ '2 CON' E. p do. wdinfo 'It looks like we might have a Source: entry',LF,'that takes more than one line. See RIN ',Rin end. d =. ; +/ each '2 CONT Date:'&E. each D d =. 13}. ; d # D R =. (>0{transform1a),p,(>1{transform1a),' ',(>2{transform1a),a,(>3{transform1a),d,(>4{transform1a) ChgLog =: ChgLog,'vvv ============',Rin,'==============',LF,y.,'-------------------------------',LF,R,'^^^ ===========================',LF R ) main 0 --------------060004070707050900070107 Content-Type: text/plain; name="note_obit2.ijs" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="note_obit2.ijs" NB. load 'files' load 'regex' OBIT_Rins =: '' PRBLM_Rins =: '' ChgLog =: '' main =: 3 : 0 fn =: wd 'mbopen "" "\zhold" "*.ged"' aa =: (1!:1) <fn f =. LF,'0 ' b =. 1, _1}. f E. aa ab =. ; perInd each b <;.1 aa ab (1!:2) < '-obt2.ged',~ _4}.fn ) perInd =: 3 : 0 if. 0 = +/ ' INDI' E. y. do. '' return. end. Name =: '' Rin =: 3}. 50{. y. j =. Rin i. '@' Rin =: j{.Rin NB. Y =: y. f =. LF,'1 ' b =. 0, _1}. f E. y. a =. (b i. 1) {. y. a , ; perlev1 each b <;.1 y. ) perlev1 =: 3 : 0 if. '1 NAME ' -: 7{. y. do. Name =: y. '' return. end. OBIT =: 0 if. 0 = '1 NOTE' -: 6{.y. do. '' return. end. if. +/('(Obit.)' E. y.)+('(Obit)' E. y.)+('(Obit,)' E. y.) do. Name,LF, y. return. end. '' ) main 0 --------------060004070707050900070107--

Well, this needs a little discussion. First choice would probably be your own ISP. Virtually all of them offer a website to their subscribers at no additional cost, (I have 5 because other family members who subscribe to Suscom.net don't use theirs). The free ones offer anywhere from 5 to 50 MB of storage space. 1. You need an ftp program. There are many of those available free also and they're easy to use. I use WS_FTP LE which you can get at downloads/cnet/com. 2. You need the address to the web host which is usually the same as the ISP and is shown on their address bar as HTTP://ispname/~subscriber. In your case it would be HTTP://satx.rr.com/~MaryEllen. You also need a valid password which is the same password you use to access your account. 3. You can upload any file to your website and download it again anytime and no one else can get to it or even see it without your password. 4. If you want others to see it you must upload it in a form that it will display and name the cover page "index.html". PAF-5 will automatically make that file for you to upload. Mine isn't PAF-5 but you can look at it here if you like. http://userweb.suscom.net/~billinn/ I have other files on that website also but no one else can see them because they aren't in the root "/" folder. 5. Here are a few sites that offer free website hosting but there are hundreds of other ones. www.homestead.com/ http://www.bravenet.com/ http://www.jamminweb.com/ http://geocities.yahoo.com/ I'm aware this is off-topic but I feel other members could benefit from it. Regards, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Mary Gagne [mailto:MaryEllen@satx.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:35 PM To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Backup PAF Files Bill, you mentioned free websites where you send your genealogy information. Can you tell me a little about the sites? How do you get them? How does it work? Is it then open to anyone who wants to look at the information? Mel Bill Linn wrote: >All well and good. I know you've seen me say, "backup, backup, backup" >many times. I have always had 2 hard drives in my computer, (what's the >chance of them both failing at the same time?). That isn't enough. >There is still theft, fire, flood, earthquake, etc. to consider. So >many years of work can go into a tiny genealogical file. When I do >updates I send a copy to a relative, another to a friend, and post one >to a website, (there are many cost free websites available). You have >to ask "what if?". > >Regards Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary Templeman [mailto:gtempleman1@comcast.net] >Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:57 PM >To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Backup PAF Files > > >One very nice program for backups, and is free for non-commerciall use, >is Karen's Replicator, available at www.karenware.com . It will copy >across network drives in addition to drives on the same computer, can >set up multiple jobs, and replicate file deletions as well as changes. >If you get a drive that does NOT come with its own backup program, >Replicator would be a good choice. > >Gary Templeman > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom Sevy" <sevy99@mstar2.net> >To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:30 AM >Subject: [PAF-5] Backup PAF Files > > > > >>Over the years I have had trouble remembering to backup my PAF data >>files, as well as other files on my Laptop PC including photos and >>other things. >> >> >I > > >>have a CD-RW and used it to make backups, but still I sometimes let a >>long time go between backups with the potential for losing a lot of >>valualable information and work. Then someone suggested having an >>external Hard >> >> >Drive. > > >>It is connected through the USB port and has software that backs up my >> >> > > > >>internal Hard Drive every Friday at 10:00 p.m. or the next time the >> >> >computer > > >>is on after this time. The first time it took about a half hour to >>backup the entire HD. Now, only new files or files that have been >>changed are copied to the external drive which usually takes about 3-4 >> >> > > > >>minutes over my slow USB 2 port. (If I can ever get a PCMCIA USB >>converter to work for >> >> >USB > > >>2, I am told that it would be about 10 times faster.) It is almost >>idiot-proof. If I take my laptop and drop it, or lose it, have it >>stolen, or have my car stolen with the laptop in the trunk, at least I >> >> > > > >>have all of my files. This has given me a FABULOUS feeling of >>security. Cost: about $150. Not inexpensive, but even if my time is >> >> > > > >>worth only a dollar an hour (and I like to think it is worth more than >> >> > > > >>that) it would be cheap at ten times the cost. >> >>FYI: the 300 gig external drive is about 1x3.5x5 inches, so it takes >>up very little space. >> >>Tom Sevy in Taylorsville, Utah >> >> >> >>==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >>FreeBMD - Free Access to England and Wales Civil Registration Index >>Volunteer as a Transcriber Today! http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >> >> >> > > >==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >PAF-5-USERS Mailing List Archives >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAF-5-USERS/ > > > > >==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >FreeBMD - Free Access to England and Wales Civil Registration Index >Volunteer as a Transcriber Today! http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== PAF @ FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service http://www.familysearch.org/eng/paf/

Bill makes a good point about theft, fire, flood, earthquakes, etc. The operative concept is to have AT LEAST one, preferably multiple, off-site copies that are updated regularly. Using a program like Replicator is one way to copy information to another location. If that location is portable, such as an external hard drive or a thumb drive then you have one option for off-site storage. Burning a CD-R or CD-RW is another, slower option. Uploading to other web sites, sending copies to relatives and so on add additional layers of protection. Unfortunately, my experience in working with patrons at our FHC is that the majority of people do not even make floppy backups. An even lower percentage will be committed enough to learn how to use an FTP program for uploading to an online storage site, or to *consistently* send updated backups to relatives, friends, etc. Ideally one would learn how to schedule and automate the uploads to help insure they take place. Making that commitment is important if you consider your data as an irreplaceable resource. Gary Templeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Linn" <billinn@suscom.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:33 PM Subject: RE: [PAF-5] Backup PAF Files > Well, this needs a little discussion. First choice would probably be > your own ISP. Virtually all of them offer a website to their subscribers > at no additional cost, (I have 5 because other family members who > subscribe to Suscom.net don't use theirs). The free ones offer anywhere > from 5 to 50 MB of storage space. > > 1. You need an ftp program. There are many of those available free also > and they're easy to use. I use WS_FTP LE which you can get at > downloads/cnet/com. > ><snip>

All well and good. I know you've seen me say, "backup, backup, backup" many times. I have always had 2 hard drives in my computer, (what's the chance of them both failing at the same time?). That isn't enough. There is still theft, fire, flood, earthquake, etc. to consider. So many years of work can go into a tiny genealogical file. When I do updates I send a copy to a relative, another to a friend, and post one to a website, (there are many cost free websites available). You have to ask "what if?". Regards Bill -----Original Message----- From: Gary Templeman [mailto:gtempleman1@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:57 PM To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Backup PAF Files One very nice program for backups, and is free for non-commerciall use, is Karen's Replicator, available at www.karenware.com . It will copy across network drives in addition to drives on the same computer, can set up multiple jobs, and replicate file deletions as well as changes. If you get a drive that does NOT come with its own backup program, Replicator would be a good choice. Gary Templeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Sevy" <sevy99@mstar2.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:30 AM Subject: [PAF-5] Backup PAF Files > Over the years I have had trouble remembering to backup my PAF data > files, as well as other files on my Laptop PC including photos and > other things. I > have a CD-RW and used it to make backups, but still I sometimes let a > long time go between backups with the potential for losing a lot of > valualable information and work. Then someone suggested having an > external Hard Drive. > It is connected through the USB port and has software that backs up my > internal Hard Drive every Friday at 10:00 p.m. or the next time the computer > is on after this time. The first time it took about a half hour to > backup the entire HD. Now, only new files or files that have been > changed are copied to the external drive which usually takes about 3-4 > minutes over my slow USB 2 port. (If I can ever get a PCMCIA USB > converter to work for USB > 2, I am told that it would be about 10 times faster.) It is almost > idiot-proof. If I take my laptop and drop it, or lose it, have it > stolen, or have my car stolen with the laptop in the trunk, at least I > have all of my files. This has given me a FABULOUS feeling of > security. Cost: about $150. Not inexpensive, but even if my time is > worth only a dollar an hour (and I like to think it is worth more than > that) it would be cheap at ten times the cost. > > FYI: the 300 gig external drive is about 1x3.5x5 inches, so it takes > up very little space. > > Tom Sevy in Taylorsville, Utah > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > FreeBMD - Free Access to England and Wales Civil Registration Index > Volunteer as a Transcriber Today! http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List Archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAF-5-USERS/

Bill, you mentioned free websites where you send your genealogy information. Can you tell me a little about the sites? How do you get them? How does it work? Is it then open to anyone who wants to look at the information? Mel Bill Linn wrote: >All well and good. I know you've seen me say, "backup, backup, backup" >many times. I have always had 2 hard drives in my computer, (what's the >chance of them both failing at the same time?). That isn't enough. There >is still theft, fire, flood, earthquake, etc. to consider. So many years >of work can go into a tiny genealogical file. When I do updates I send a >copy to a relative, another to a friend, and post one to a website, >(there are many cost free websites available). >You have to ask "what if?". > >Regards Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gary Templeman [mailto:gtempleman1@comcast.net] >Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:57 PM >To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Backup PAF Files > > >One very nice program for backups, and is free for non-commerciall use, >is Karen's Replicator, available at www.karenware.com . It will copy >across network drives in addition to drives on the same computer, can >set up multiple jobs, and replicate file deletions as well as changes. >If you get a drive that does NOT come with its own backup program, >Replicator would be a good choice. > >Gary Templeman > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom Sevy" <sevy99@mstar2.net> >To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:30 AM >Subject: [PAF-5] Backup PAF Files > > > > >>Over the years I have had trouble remembering to backup my PAF data >>files, as well as other files on my Laptop PC including photos and >>other things. >> >> >I > > >>have a CD-RW and used it to make backups, but still I sometimes let a >>long time go between backups with the potential for losing a lot of >>valualable information and work. Then someone suggested having an >>external Hard >> >> >Drive. > > >>It is connected through the USB port and has software that backs up my >> >> > > > >>internal Hard Drive every Friday at 10:00 p.m. or the next time the >> >> >computer > > >>is on after this time. The first time it took about a half hour to >>backup the entire HD. Now, only new files or files that have been >>changed are copied to the external drive which usually takes about 3-4 >> >> > > > >>minutes over my slow USB 2 port. (If I can ever get a PCMCIA USB >>converter to work for >> >> >USB > > >>2, I am told that it would be about 10 times faster.) It is almost >>idiot-proof. If I take my laptop and drop it, or lose it, have it >>stolen, or have my car stolen with the laptop in the trunk, at least I >> >> > > > >>have all of my files. This has given me a FABULOUS feeling of >>security. Cost: about $150. Not inexpensive, but even if my time is >> >> > > > >>worth only a dollar an hour (and I like to think it is worth more than >> >> > > > >>that) it would be cheap at ten times the cost. >> >>FYI: the 300 gig external drive is about 1x3.5x5 inches, so it takes >>up very little space. >> >>Tom Sevy in Taylorsville, Utah >> >> >> >>==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >>FreeBMD - Free Access to England and Wales Civil Registration Index >>Volunteer as a Transcriber Today! http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >> >> >> > > >==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >PAF-5-USERS Mailing List Archives >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAF-5-USERS/ > > > > >==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >FreeBMD - Free Access to England and Wales Civil Registration Index >Volunteer as a Transcriber Today! >http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > > >