On 28 Feb 2005 at 17:33, alanjones10@cox.net wrote: > Perhaps there were 2 marriage entries created for the husband. One > with out the wife being listed. And if that blank one was the default > one for him, then if you bring him up into the top position the > default marriage would appear, so if that was the one without her, it > would be blank. A less drastic way to have fixed it, assuming this was > the problem, would be to go in and edit his marriages, and delete the > one without a wife. No, this is not the case. When Charles was the focus, he showed NO marriages. Double clicking on the marriage didn't do anything, whereas when a person has an 'unknown' spouse, this action will let you delete the marriage. So for all intents and purposes, he was single, but also married if you came in through the back door. Sandy

Perhaps there were 2 marriage entries created for the husband. One with out the wife being listed. And if that blank one was the default one for him, then if you bring him up into the top position the default marriage would appear, so if that was the one without her, it would be blank. A less drastic way to have fixed it, assuming this was the problem, would be to go in and edit his marriages, and delete the one without a wife. > From: "Sandy Rozhon" <srozhon@comcast.net> > Date: 2005/02/28 Mon PM 05:28:10 EST > To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAF-5] Odd PAF situation > > For the first time, ever, I had an unusual situation occur while > looking through my PAF file. > > Nellie was married to Charles. If the focus is on Nellie (she > appears in the upper box on the family view), Charles is there and > all the kids. > > If I shift the focus to Charles, Nellie disappears and he is shown as > unmarried. > > If I search for Nellie, it shows Charles as her husband and again, as > long as she is in focus, he's there. When he has the limelight, he's > a single man. (ha ha....just realized this is something of a > metaphor!) > > Anyway, why would these two individuals be in this odd connection? I > had to delete Charles altogether and add him in and then put him in a > marriage with Nellie all over again. It works now, but what could > possibly have happened? > > Sandy > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > PAF-5-USERS Mailing List > http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uindex.php > >

For the first time, ever, I had an unusual situation occur while looking through my PAF file. Nellie was married to Charles. If the focus is on Nellie (she appears in the upper box on the family view), Charles is there and all the kids. If I shift the focus to Charles, Nellie disappears and he is shown as unmarried. If I search for Nellie, it shows Charles as her husband and again, as long as she is in focus, he's there. When he has the limelight, he's a single man. (ha ha....just realized this is something of a metaphor!) Anyway, why would these two individuals be in this odd connection? I had to delete Charles altogether and add him in and then put him in a marriage with Nellie all over again. It works now, but what could possibly have happened? Sandy

This was almost certainly an internal database error. On the File menu of PAF the Check/Repair operation might have fixed this. John -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Rozhon [mailto:srozhon@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 12:28 PM To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] Odd PAF situation For the first time, ever, I had an unusual situation occur while looking through my PAF file. Nellie was married to Charles. If the focus is on Nellie (she appears in the upper box on the family view), Charles is there and all the kids. If I shift the focus to Charles, Nellie disappears and he is shown as unmarried. If I search for Nellie, it shows Charles as her husband and again, as long as she is in focus, he's there. When he has the limelight, he's a single man. (ha ha....just realized this is something of a metaphor!) Anyway, why would these two individuals be in this odd connection? I had to delete Charles altogether and add him in and then put him in a marriage with Nellie all over again. It works now, but what could possibly have happened? Sandy ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uindex.php

A typical problem I find when working with patrons at our FHC is they try to *open* a backup file rather than *restore* a backup file. When opening doesn't work they think the file is corrupted. The difficulty comes about because we mix terminology. The PRINCIPLE of backing up can be fulfilled either by creating a *backup file*, which is a specific file and uses a .zip extension, OR by creating a *copy* of the original .paf file. By the same token, the terms open and restore have precise meanings but are often used or interchanged incorrectly. If the*backup* is a copy, then it should be *opened*, using the same program that created it. If the *backup* is a true backup file then the way to retrieve it is to use the *restore* command. If you try to restore a .paf file, or try to open a .zip file, neither will work. It therefore becomes essential to specify and understand the differences between a backup copy and a backup file. The second most common error I see with patrons is thinking they are saving their backup (of whatever type) to a floppy, only to arrive at the fHC with a blank disk. Invariably they actually saved the file to their hard drive. Gary Templeman ----- Original Message ----- From: <GenBound@aol.com> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: [PAF-5] Re: Backing up PAF files > Whatever method you chose be sure to try opening it. Some have thought they > were making backups only to find, when they really needed it, that it did not > work. > > Sharon > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > PAF-5-USERS Mailing List Archives > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAF-5-USERS/ >

Some more solutions here, two from the DOS world, which do still work on XP if you know haw to get to the command prompt. Fix2Ged is very old (1993) but still works. http://www.paf-review.com/inf/fix2ged.html and can be downloaded from http://www.fhug.org.uk/cgi-bin/index.cgi?action=downloadinfo&cat=GedCom&id=6 Acc2Ged is another http://website.lineone.net/~d.j.cooke/wintree.htm You can also import a CSV file into Brothers Keeper using the Utilities program BK5 UTILITY. http://www.bkwin.org/download.htm I believe this needs the version 5 program to work. Graham

The problem with this question is the variety of formats and layout you can have in you Excel "database". Are you just trying to transfer vital records or do you also have linked relationships? I have looked around this one before and found the following options. There is a program here written in VBA for Excel. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://ahnenforschung.net/users/GedTool.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dgedcom%2Bto%2Bexcel%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN You will find a number of solutions if you search on Google. Also have a look at: A "knife and fork"method http://www.tedpack.org/text2ged.html The French seem keen on this idea too: TransGed: a simple one http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.visuged.org/fcttg.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Danachron%2Bgedcom%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG Anachron: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.correze-genealogie.org/Federation/sites.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Danachron%2Bgedcom%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG There is also a macro within "Ancestor Access" http://home.att.net/~douglas.parrish/home.htm which is a Microsoft Access database that converts the Access database tables into a Gedcom. The challenge is getting your data into Access. This latter one has been my preferred approach. Contact me off list if you need nay specific help. Regards Graham

I agree with the idea of adding more information to the family view page. I would like to see a column for a death date. Just the year, not the day or month would be fine. Also I would like a similar column for the state where they were born. As it is now one has to click on each child to find out whether their data is complete. I would like a quick look to see where I need to fill in more data. Helen

Whatever method you chose be sure to try opening it. Some have thought they were making backups only to find, when they really needed it, that it did not work. Sharon

Steve, thanks for the comprehensive reply. I had suspected this was the way to go, I can certainly cope with the "knife and fork" method. It will be interesting to see what improvements come along in this area. It is almost as though it was forgotten during development. Regards Graham

Hi Graham, This is a PAF reporting problem that has perplexed me for years. The objective being - other than on the PAF system - to review or pass on details of all the sources held for each - or any individual on the database. I can give you a method for doing this - but it is not for the faint hearted - and you need to have pretty good Excel skills. It brings together: - Individual Event Sources - Individual Sources - Marriage Event Sources But not Family Sources! (Only because the Citation List Report in Standard PAF does not access them either!) Without dragging out the nitty gritty individual steps - the outline of the method is: 1. Produce a print-to-file report for each 'Citation Referencing a source' - results in a rtf (rich-text) file for each report. 2. Save each rtf file as txt (text) file. 3. Open each txt file in Excel (in turn) - specifying the only field delimiter as a full stop. 4. As each txt file is opened as an Excel file and the columns adjusted to view the data there may be exceptional problems that need correction - when a full stop has been used in a Name field (after any initials) - such exceptions need the data now in further columns to be cut & pasted to conform with the majority column layout. 5. Copy the source title and the block of citation details to a master combined spreadsheet. (The source title needs to be copied/pasted into each citation line). 6. When completed - the combined spreadsheet - using some clever Excel formulae (hence the Excel expertise) the details in the name field can be separated out to separate columns for RIN, Surname, Other Names & Source Type (Birth/Death etc + Individual). 7. The resulting spreadsheet can then be sorted to your requirements - i.e. - Surname/Other Names/RIN and your report can now present the source citation details held for each event for each individual. As I said above - you need to be determined to do tackle this. And because the basic PAF Citation report does not access Family sources, they are missing - and in my use of sources, regrettably it does not access the Source Comment field either. Only a partial work around and labour intensive - roll on a better feature in the next version! I will be very interested in any other approaches to this problem. Regards, Stewart Berkshire, UK -----Original Message----- From: Graham Ward [mailto:graham.ward@gmx.net] Sent: 25 February 2005 20:35 To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] Sources and Citations Is it possible to include source and citation fields in custom reports? It seems these fields are inaccessible only on group sheets and the special list of citations for sources report. Marriage citations appear to be even more inaccessible. Advice or workarounds most welcome. Graham ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List Search http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=PAF-5-USERS

Sandy Rozhon wrote: >On 17 Feb 2005 at 9:03, Lorin Lund wrote: > > > >>I have a script (program) written that will extract the OBIT: data. >>This is a preliminary program. It doesn't "plop into events". Partly >>because I am unclear about what you mean by 'plop into events'. But >>this program will produce a file of the OBIT: data. >> >> > >Ok, I've had some time to cogitate on what I meant by "plop into >events" and this is what I had in mind. Nearly every obit that I >have is in a standardized format of one type or another. Here is an >example fo type #1: > >OBIT: Name: Gasior, Stanley >Date: Feb 10 1947 >Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #028. >Notes: Gasior, Stanley, late residence, 1213 Denison Ave., beloved >brother of Julia Godek and Albert Gasior. Funeral services Wed., Feb. >12, from A. J. Tomon & Sons Funeral Home, 2144 W. 14 St., at 8:30 and >at 9 a. m. at St. Barbara's Church. > > I made a 1 person .paf file to test this. See http://www.infowest.com/personal/w/wbs/g.paf (This paf file contains this info in the notes) http://www.infowest.com/personal/w/wbs/g.ged (This is the GEDCOM export of g.paf) http://www.infowest.com/personal/w/wbs/g-obt.ged (The transformed GEDCOM) http://www.infowest.com/personal/w/wbs/g2.paf ( loaded from g-obt.ged ) > >This is an example of type #2 (which may appear as one line or two: > >GASIOR, RUDOLPH A : Husband of Helen (Obit.). Plain Dealer 15 Jun, >1980, pg. 15 sec. B > >or > >GASIOR, RUDOLPH A : Husband of Helen (Obit.). >Plain Dealer 15 Jun, 1980, pg. 15 sec. B > >Now what I would like is that if an OBIT tag exists, then put in a >citation as an "Individual Source". I simply use the source name >OBIT since the 99.9% all come from the same city. The text of the >longer type of obit could go into "actual text". The shorter type >would probably just go in the page field, date field, and comments >for the name. > > > >>If you are interested in pursuing this let me know. Also, to run this >>script requires some >>other files. If you have a high speed Internet connection the easiest >>way to get those >>files is to download and install the 'J' computer language from >>http://www.jsoftware.com/download/j503a.exe >> >> > >Fortunately, I have cable access...I'll take a look at the 'J' files. > Let me know if my task seems too complicated. > >Thanks, >Sandy > > > > >

Is it possible to include source and citation fields in custom reports? It seems these fields are inaccessible only on group sheets and the special list of citations for sources report. Marriage citations appear to be even more inaccessible. Advice or workarounds most welcome. Graham

As this is the PAF-5 Users list, I think the information about FTM 2005 is irrelevant ... Of course, I could be wrong!! ====== :-) J.H.Fleck ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.Rodier" <cerear@telusplanet.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Re: [PAF-5] Modifying the Family View? | Family View of FTM 2005 has eight child names displayed at a time (scroll | bar if more entered) with columns for sex, birth date, birth place, death | date, death place. | | ----- Original Message ----- | > I too would like to see the children's death dates directly in the | > "Family View" (in my case called "Familien"-Ansicht, because | > I use a German set up). If it were possible to do this, would you | > please let me know how I can do this? |

http://www.ohanasoftware.com Regards, Jim Sladek Mary Gagne wrote: > At one time, someone on the list mentioned PAF Insight. I can't find > the message now, can someone tell me where I can get one ? Also, is it > a CD?

The notes are embedded in the .paf file. I doubt that you can search them outside of PAF. Richard At 10:59 AM 2/25/2005 -0800, edswan wrote: >What is the extension for notes in PAF? I want to see if I can search and >read the notes using Copernics desktop search engine. >Ed >edswan@thurston.com >Olympia, WA > > >==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >PAF-5-USERS Mailing List Search >http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=PAF-5-USERS

What is the extension for notes in PAF? I want to see if I can search and read the notes using Copernics desktop search engine. Ed edswan@thurston.com Olympia, WA

Family View of FTM 2005 has eight child names displayed at a time (scroll bar if more entered) with columns for sex, birth date, birth place, death date, death place. ----- Original Message ----- > I too would like to see the children's death dates directly in the > "Family View" (in my case called "Familien"-Ansicht, because > I use a German set up). If it were possible to do this, would you > please let me know how I can do this?

Hi, I too would like to see the children's death dates directly in the "Family View" (in my case called "Familien"-Ansicht, because I use a German set up). If it were possible to do this, would you please let me know how I can do this? Yet it might be that due to differently named screens in my German version I misunderstood. Richard and Donna wrote: > you can modify the Individual view to include Death date etc. With "Individual View" do you mean here: a) the PAF users individual set up of the screens? OR b) the display mode in my case called "Person" [might in English be "Individual persons view"? Is the list were all persons are displayed] OR c) the window appearing when clicking on a person, in my case called "Person bearbeiten" [might in English be "Person - update, work or change this persons individual data". It's the place to add data like events or sources for this person and the death event is given by default.] I'm aware that you can display death dates in the "Stammbaum"-Ansicht" [might in English be Family tree view] via the pop-up windows. I'm also aware that you can add fields to the view, in my case called "Person" [list were all the persons in the database are displayed and where you can add additional rows of displayed info] Yet in my PAF help manual I found no reference how to display children's death dates in the "Familie View". If it's possible, would appreciate info how to set this up. Thanks for advise. Regards, Ben rhaldy@comcast.net wrote: Feb 15, 2005 <snip> > And, just incidentally, you can modify the Individual view to > include the Death date & Place. I did this years ago ...... Richard L. Halliday -- Original message -- Donna.Hrynkiw@kwantlen.ca wrote: Feb 14, 2005 <snip> > Is there any way to add information to the Children area of > the Family View? I'd like to see more information about each > child of the family. Specifically, I'd like to see the death date. > Right now I only see the Name, Born, and Parent Link. -- -- -- -- Donna.Hrynkiw@kwantlen.ca wrote: Feb 16, 2005 <snip> > Yes, I've also added the death date to the Individual View -- > and found it to be extremely useful. ......... Best, Donna

Thanks to all who sent information about back up files for the PAF. Certainly a number of sites out there (including CDs on my own computer) to look into. Appreciate the information. Mel Gary Templeman wrote: >Bill makes a good point about theft, fire, flood, earthquakes, etc. The >operative concept is to have AT LEAST one, preferably multiple, off-site >copies that are updated regularly. Using a program like Replicator is one >way to copy information to another location. If that location is portable, >such as an external hard drive or a thumb drive then you have one option for >off-site storage. Burning a CD-R or CD-RW is another, slower option. > >Uploading to other web sites, sending copies to relatives and so on add >additional layers of protection. Unfortunately, my experience in working >with patrons at our FHC is that the majority of people do not even make >floppy backups. An even lower percentage will be committed enough to learn >how to use an FTP program for uploading to an online storage site, or to >*consistently* send updated backups to relatives, friends, etc. Ideally one >would learn how to schedule and automate the uploads to help insure they >take place. > >Making that commitment is important if you consider your data as an >irreplaceable resource. > >Gary Templeman > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Linn" <billinn@suscom.net> >To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:33 PM >Subject: RE: [PAF-5] Backup PAF Files > > > > >>Well, this needs a little discussion. First choice would probably be >>your own ISP. Virtually all of them offer a website to their subscribers >>at no additional cost, (I have 5 because other family members who >>subscribe to Suscom.net don't use theirs). The free ones offer anywhere >>from 5 to 50 MB of storage space. >> >>1. You need an ftp program. There are many of those available free also >>and they're easy to use. I use WS_FTP LE which you can get at >>downloads/cnet/com. >> >><snip> >> >> > > >==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >Having trouble with the software? Check PAF 5.x Information >http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uinfo.php > > > >