Dear List, I received a call from a lady asking why some of her rin #'ers changed after she highlighted one name and hit enter. I explained that I have never heard of such a thing. Have any of you ever had this problem? Thanks for your help. Fred Freddy73@att.net

Thank you to all who share their questions, and those who share their answers. This PAF board is much appreciated.

I'm getting too old for these mysteries! I decided to work on a particular file which has been dormant for a while - I'll call it Smith. First I click on PAF5 shortcut and get a list of files with path as follows: C:\Documents and Settings\Betty Ashley\My Documents\surname.paf (several different surnames) But NO Smith file comes up. By the way I don't like this long, long path but because I don't know what I am doing, that is how my computer did it. So I did a search and up comes the following along with all the other long surname paths: Simply C:\Betty.paf !!!! How did this happen? I clicked on it, and there was my Smith file! How did it get in my root directory? Of course it does not come up with the others with the PAF shortcut ... As far as I know, it used to be available when I clicked the PAF shortcut. Can anyone explain this mysterious happening? And does everyone have such a circuitous path to their files? Thanks ..... Betty

Thank-you all for your comments. You've solved my problem quite neatly. Donna Hrynkiw

I reinstalled PAF and then my PAF Pal went right back on. Thanks to both of you who replied to my problem. April Harrison -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [PAF-5] PAF Pal problem Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:33:09 -1000 From: John Vilburn <john@ohanasoftware.com> To: April Harrison <april645@mcleodusa.net> Yes, you should reinstall PAF 5.2 and then install PAF Pal. That should work. John -----Original Message----- From: April Harrison [mailto:april645@mcleodusa.net] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:38 AM To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] PAF Pal problem Hi I have PAF 5.2 and had PAF Pal on and working. Had to do a System Recovery on the computer, which went well. PAF is still there with all data ok. But noticed that PAF pal was gone. Went to reinstall and it keeps coming up saying that I need PAF 5.0 or later before PAF Pal will install. Anyone have any clues???? Do I need to reinstall PAF 5.2 again????? Can anyone help??? April Harrison West Bountiful, UT ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uindex.php

Could someone please help me, step for step with the custom list. I would like to know all who were born in a certain country/baptised in that country or where that country is mentioned in the notes. Thus I go to print - custom report - select - then I select all - then I go to filter field, define and I define - then ok - after that I just do not seem to be able to get it to print a report????? What am I doing wrong? regards Mark -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 3/25/05

I asked last year and they said there were no plans too update the software. One thing I was asking too see was an improved method of storing CENSUS information. Perhaps using a separate form to be filled in depending if it's UK or USA census and being able too link this one form too many individuals. Saves on duplication of census entries in the NOTES fields. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Graham Ward [mailto:graham.ward@gmx.net] Sent: 26 March 2005 13:06 To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] PAF-6 Does anyone know if there really is a PAF-6 in development? Graham ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service http://www.familysearch.org/

Does anyone know if there really is a PAF-6 in development? Graham

Hi Graham, and all others who continue to wonder about the future of PAF5. The LDS Church's Family History Department is heavily involved in a comprehensive project to develop the next generation of a Family History Research System. I have met with them on several occasions over the past two years and can personally vouch for that fact. The scope of their design is very very impressive, but they have required that the details remain unpublished due to legal confidential agreements that they have made with a number of developers and other organizations. Until February, their development was largely what I would call in the "proof-of-concept" phase. However, in February, they released to the alumni of the Church's universities a long recruiting list of new job positions that included developers and development managers of all sorts with job descriptions that include terminology indicating that the jobs involve work on a new Family History System. The job descriptions even hint of a time line because they suggest that the positions will last about three years and then be dissolved. Basically they are asking for highly experienced LDS programmers and managers to take a leave-of-absence from their current jobs to work on a highly intensive project, and then return to their normal jobs when it is completed. So what details do I feel I can divulge without breaking my commitment to their confidentiality? I can assure you that they have done their homework on what features and design are needed for the next version. Literally many thousands of mini focus group sessions have been conducted and they have been gleaning suggestions from many on-line forums such as ours. I can also indicate to you that a major motivation behind their new development is the concern that LDS Church members are NOT participating in Family History research to the degree that is expected. Much to the chagrin of the church leadership, the majority of FH research is done by others, and since this is a particularly important aspect of LDS theology, the new development is built around the need to do something about this problem - that is motivate a significantly larger number of LDS members to become involved. Since I am involved in the software business, I can read between the lines and make a few other observations. The issue of hardware has become more challenging because not only is there the Mac vs PC problem, but Linux (UNIX) is becoming more and more popular as an alternative. So the best alternative for the future is to create a browser-based client that will be independent of which type of computer you use. So if you have not yet subscribed to an Internet broadband connection, you should begin to plan for that soon. They are adamant that the new system will have a very simple upgrade path from the current PAF5 program and our PAF databases. I noted that the new system will have a component aimed at engaging a wider range of users in FH research (i.e. more graphics, time lines, personal stories, etc.) plus a level of sophistication that will satisfy those of us who do not need to be enticed into being involved in research. Finally, I think I can say that since the LDS Church has acknowledged for many years that it is digitizing everything it can get its hands on, including records in the Granite Mountain storage facility, and it uses digital technology instead of microfilm for its records extraction programs, that the new system will use the Internet in ways that they have never used before to make information available. Without going into the details of the LDS church's purpose behind FH research, suffice it to say that much of the activity they perform is being duplicated because they cannot check for each other's work worldwide in a real time system. It seems obvious to me that there will be an effort to make it easier to share information on a worldwide basis to minimize everyone duplicating each other's efforts. I'm sorry for the lengthy message, but I have been trying to get this message across to this list for two years. Everytime someone says they have heard that there will not be any development on PAF, I get frustrated. Richard Rands President Silicon Valley Computer Genealogy Group, formerly the Silicon Valley PAF Users Group At 01:05 PM 3/26/2005 +0000, Graham Ward wrote: >Does anyone know if there really is a PAF-6 in development? > >Graham > > >==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service >http://www.familysearch.org/

The Custom Reports capability will produce a chronological list of any event or combination of events. Go to Reports then Custom. Select the entire database AND then select the events that you want included. Put "OR" between every kind of event desired. For example, you could select Birth Date OR Christening Date. Next select the items that you want included in the report. I usually select "RIN", "Surname, Given", "Birth or *Christening Date", "Birth or *Christening place", and any other appropriate item. I never print the report immediately. Instead I use the "Preview" capability to see how the report appears. I find that I often must chose Landscape orientation to get all of the items on a single line and that I must adjust the number of columns assigned to each item. When I am satisfied with the arrangement of the report THEN I print it. p.s. Do not forget that you can change the defalt report title from "Special Report" (or something similar to that) to anything you want. Little Richard > What report do I have to ask PAF-5 for to get a chronological list of > events? I suppose some might call this a time line, but to me a > time-line has the date in the middle and events on both sides, and > that's not what I need/want. > > > Cheryl > > > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > FreeBMD - Free Access to England and Wales Civil Registration Index > Volunteer as a Transcriber Today! > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >

The correct way in PAF for entering date ranges is to use From and To, for example: From 1922 to 1943 However, in my view, creating events for "Residence" creates an unnecessary and untidy list of events for any individual - especially as it is generally a whole family that lives at an address - I prefer to keep any residence information against a tagged note for "residence" where a fuller explanation can be given about the house, address, location and who lived there etc. - just because PAF offers "Residence" (along with a lot of other non-event events) does not mean that it is necessarily a good idea to use them. The above approach serves to emphasise the adoptability of PAF to each of our preferences. Regards, Stewart Berkshire, UK -----Original Message----- From: Donna Hrynkiw [mailto:hrynkiw@gmail.com] Sent: 25 March 2005 17:54 To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] Entering Date Ranges? What's the conventional wisdom for entering date ranges for consecutive mutually-exclusive events in PAF5? I have information that an individual lived at a particular location from estimated 1922 to a verifiable 1943, but no information where he went after that. Normally I'd enter "Est 1922" for the first Residence, and 1934 for the second Residence, but I have no second Residence so hesitate to create a second entry. When I enter "1922/1943" in the first Residence, PAF complains "Dual dates exceed 10 years". Thoughts? Suggestions? Donna Hrynkiw One-name project: HRYNKIW, world-wide. ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service http://www.familysearch.org/

Suggestion about Date Ranges. You could use the little known capability of PAF to explicitly state date ranges. It uses "from" and "to". For example I just experimented with "from 1765 to 1801" and there was no complaint from PAF. Richard L. Halliday West Linn, Oregon --- > What's the conventional wisdom for entering date ranges for > consecutive mutually-exclusive events in PAF5? > > I have information that an individual lived at a particular location > from estimated 1922 to a verifiable 1943, but no information where he > went after that. Normally I'd enter "Est 1922" for the first > Residence, and 1934 for the second Residence, but I have no second > Residence so hesitate to create a second entry. > > When I enter "1922/1943" in the first Residence, PAF complains "Dual > dates exceed 10 years". > > Thoughts? Suggestions? > > Donna Hrynkiw > One-name project: HRYNKIW, world-wide. > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service > http://www.familysearch.org/ >

Someone earlier suggested that "other events" would NOT print if the box was unchecked. This may be true for printing FGR but does NOT work when printing "Places sorted alphabetically". My box is unchecked. Any other suggestions? I agree about "other events." A cousin sent me his part of the family and I imported it into mine not realizing that he had filled out all the spaces for his family in the "other events" - this sure messed up my locality listing. I also put my misc. "other events" in my notes. Marti

>Suggestion about Date Ranges. You could use the little known capability >of PAF to explicitly state date ranges. It uses "from" and "to". For >example I just experimented with "from 1765 to 1801" and there was no >complaint from PAF. > > Richard L. Halliday > West Linn, Oregon --- Thanks, Richard -- now I've learned something. That doesn't work in PAF 4, but it does in PAF 5. If I enter just "1765 to 1801" it changes it to "from 1765 to 1901." I think adding "from" is unnecessary, but at least it accepts a broad range of years. Maybe I've finally found a reason to change to PAF 5. <g> Joan Lowrey

>However, in my view, creating events for "Residence" creates an unnecessary >and untidy list of events for any individual I think using *any* "Other Events" creates an unnecessary and untidy list of events for individuals and for families, such as when print a Family Group Record or a book report. Plus it takes a lot of time, without benefit as I see it, to enter them. I don't use *any* "Other Events." I enter everything in the notes, in narrative form, and in chronological order. Then when I print a book, it is in good narrative form, ready to go. . Joan Lowrey

>When I enter "1922/1943" in the first Residence, PAF complains "Dual >dates exceed 10 years". > >Thoughts? Suggestions? Just ignore it. This is a fault of PAF. Unfortunately, our programmers did not understand the correct use of the / between dates. According to the Chicago Manual of Style, the / is used only between two consecutive years, such as 1744 and 1745. In genealogy this is used primarily between the two years when the calendar changed from Julian to Gregorian which resulted in a date that could be expressed in either year. / means either/or. For a *range* of dates, which is what you are entering, an en dash (not a hyphen) is used, although people who don't know that use a hyphen. An en dash is close to the length of two hyphens, and we can set our word processing software to create a solid-line en dash when we type two hyphens. If you type 1 or 2 hyphens in PAF, when you press enter it will convert that to the / , which is wrong if the two years are not consecutive, and if teh range is over 10 years, you will get that annoying message. Why they picked 10 years, I do not know. The range of years you describe is very useful when entering data in PAF, especially when you are building the info for a person, and each new piece of info might help you narrow down that range. For example, you know a woman is between 13 and 50 when a child is born, so you give her a range of birth years based on that. Then you find another child, and then her range of birfh years narrows. I use this method all the time. A work around is to enter "1842 to 1875" (without the quotes). Then you get another annoying message that the date you entered is not standard. But at least PAF does not change what you entered to the wrong separator. Joan Lowrey

1922/19xx PAF style of date range with a slash is not accepted by some other genealogy programs and may result in the loss of the event completely in a file transfer. Between date ranges make reports harder to check so I do not use them in any genealogy program. Any information that cannot easily be explained by before, after or about dates is best in the individual note. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Hrynkiw" > What's the conventional wisdom for entering date ranges for > consecutive mutually-exclusive events in PAF5? > > I have information that an individual lived at a particular location > from estimated 1922 to a verifiable 1943, but no information where he > went after that. Normally I'd enter "Est 1922" for the first > Residence, and 1934 for the second Residence, but I have no second > Residence so hesitate to create a second entry. > > When I enter "1922/1943" in the first Residence, PAF complains "Dual > dates exceed 10 years".

What's the conventional wisdom for entering date ranges for consecutive mutually-exclusive events in PAF5? I have information that an individual lived at a particular location from estimated 1922 to a verifiable 1943, but no information where he went after that. Normally I'd enter "Est 1922" for the first Residence, and 1934 for the second Residence, but I have no second Residence so hesitate to create a second entry. When I enter "1922/1943" in the first Residence, PAF complains "Dual dates exceed 10 years". Thoughts? Suggestions? Donna Hrynkiw One-name project: HRYNKIW, world-wide.

Doh! Thank-you Ken. Well, that's my "Learn something new every day" thing for today. Thanks again, Donna On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:27:50 -0600, Kenneth Guilette <KGuilette@netzero.com> wrote: > When you are in Edit Individual -- Click "Options" -- Then select "Date > Calculator. > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donna Hrynkiw > Subject: [PAF-5] PAF-6 Wishlist > I'd like to be able to get to the Date Calculator without exiting the > Edit Individual dialogue.

Hi I have PAF 5.2 and had PAF Pal on and working. Had to do a System Recovery on the computer, which went well. PAF is still there with all data ok. But noticed that PAF pal was gone. Went to reinstall and it keeps coming up saying that I need PAF 5.0 or later before PAF Pal will install. Anyone have any clues???? Do I need to reinstall PAF 5.2 again????? Can anyone help??? April Harrison West Bountiful, UT