Hello List, In my haste to delete another program, I inadvertently deleted PAF Companion!!! I have of course, my PIN # and Unlock Key #, but I can't find where I can download this again by giving my pin and unlock numbers!! The website only provides for downloading a new program..can someone direct me to the website where I can re-download? I promise not to do it again... Carol -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 4/29/05

I didn't but that's probably not fair. You had to organize BEFORE you could use it. I expect computer programs to organize for me. I gave the program away, the recipient also has not used it. Elaine Everything has got a moral if you can only find it. --Lewis Carroll Hello Kenneth On Wednesday, April 27, 2005, you wrote > Does anyone on the list have any experience > with Clooz software?? How do you like it?? > Regards, > Ken Guilette > South Barrington, IL >

In a message dated 4/28/2005 3:39:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, WarnerCaldwell@aol.com writes: Good Evening All Could SKS suggest an easy method to compare to PAF files to determine if/where their are differences? I have managed to intertwine several separate paf files on my primary ancestor and now can not easily tell which was the primary. While the stats show individuals and marriages I am looking to figure out how to compare content that has been typed in. This comes from using two computers and keeping a traveling file also. Any suggestions short of starting over will be gladly accepted. Sure, use PAF-Insight. It has a function which does exactly what you are requesting. _www.ohanasoftware.com_ (http://www.ohanasoftware.com)

(G) Not a dumb question at all, Ken. We want to mark the nametags at the Reunion with the ancestor's name ... and we KNOW there are a number with two ancestors, we just don't know who they are. Yet. [NB Yes, I could put this off until the Registration deadline, but I'd sooner not wait that long to find the problems.] Cheryl Kenneth Guilette wrote: > Hi Cheryl > > I'm pretty new to genealogy so excuse the dumb question. > > Why is it necessary to know _who_ the individuals are that are common > descendants?? > > Regards, > > Ken Guilette > South Barrington, IL > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* singhals <mailto:singhals@erols.com> > *To:* PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com <mailto:PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2005 8:34 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PAF-5] Multiple lines of descent/ascent > > Should work, Joan. Let me try it with a smaller database first. > > "dsp" - abbreviation of the Latin for "died without issue" > > Progress to-date: I tried a Descendant chart printed to file (.rtf); > Word died when it tried to open the file...file was over 9M. So I > switched to a generic text printer, and did it again. That one was > small enough to open; I did a "Find" for "Printed on Page", and used > the > yellow hi-liter on all those (35, if memory serves). I'm not > completely > sure what good that did me (g), but it did work ... so I'm sure I'll > figure it out. By reducing the top and bottom margins to 0.5 in, and > removing all blank lines at the tops of pages, I got it down to under > 400 pages. > > Cheryl > > Joan Lowrey wrote: > > Cheryl, > > > > How would this work: > > 1. Make a GEDCOM file of all the descendants of Child #1 and > import it > > into a new PAF database. Write down the highest RIN. > > 2. Make a GEDCOM file of all the descendants of Child #3 and > import it > > into the new database. Write down the RIN range for these additions. > > 3. In match merge, select the option to match on "Unique record > serial > > numbers." Do not select "Merge automatically . . ., so you can > see who > > the matches are. Don't do any merging. > > Repeat, adding one child's descendants at a time to the database, > and > > writing down each set's RIN range. > > You will be able to tell which Child's descendants are matching, > by the > > range of RINs the two matching descendants are in. And you should be > > able to see that some descendants match more that one RIN range, so > > descend from more than one child of the common. ancestor. > > > > I haven't done this, but it seems it should work. > > > > BTW, what is "dsp"? > > > > Joan Lowrey > > > > > > At 04:48 PM 4/28/05 -0400, singhals wrote: > > > >> Thanks for trying, Alan, but I _know_ how many there are: 14,000+ > >> What I want to know is, how many of them descend from two of the > sons > >> (or from one son twice)? > >> > >> I played with numbers, and Child #1 has 10,304 descendants; > Child #2 > >> dsp under age 5; Child #3 has 212 descendants; Child #4 dsp > "young"; > >> Child #5 had 693 descendants; child #6 -m- twice, no known > children; > >> Child #7 has 3610 descendants; and Child #8 has 1495 > descendants. Add > >> those numbers together, subtract from 14,xxx and I get (-2147), > which > >> suggests that *at least* 2000 descendants come through more than > one > >> son. That's a lot of folks to try to track manually. > >> > >> [And I just noticed the wierd dsp pattern...] > >> > >> Cheryl > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > FreeBMD - Free Access to England and Wales Civil Registration Index > Volunteer as a Transcriber Today! > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ >

WarnerCaldwell@aol.com wrote: > Good Evening All > Could SKS suggest an easy method to compare to PAF files to determine > if/where their are differences? I have managed to intertwine several separate paf > files on my primary ancestor and now can not easily tell which was the primary. Find a computer with DOS running, load up the databases and run File-Compare. > While the stats show individuals and marriages I am looking to figure out > how to compare content that has been typed in. This comes from using two > computers and keeping a traveling file also. > Any suggestions short of starting over will be gladly accepted. Try Joan's suggestion about the UIDs? Or, copy the last-changed dates on several of 'em, print those charts out from one db and eyeball 'em with the other two. Or -- open all three sets on one computer, and each by each copy'n'paste the notes (obviously works best on dbs under 100 people and can't be done at all on one with over 2000 people, but FWIW). Cheryl

Should work, Joan. Let me try it with a smaller database first. "dsp" - abbreviation of the Latin for "died without issue" Progress to-date: I tried a Descendant chart printed to file (.rtf); Word died when it tried to open the file...file was over 9M. So I switched to a generic text printer, and did it again. That one was small enough to open; I did a "Find" for "Printed on Page", and used the yellow hi-liter on all those (35, if memory serves). I'm not completely sure what good that did me (g), but it did work ... so I'm sure I'll figure it out. By reducing the top and bottom margins to 0.5 in, and removing all blank lines at the tops of pages, I got it down to under 400 pages. Cheryl Joan Lowrey wrote: > Cheryl, > > How would this work: > 1. Make a GEDCOM file of all the descendants of Child #1 and import it > into a new PAF database. Write down the highest RIN. > 2. Make a GEDCOM file of all the descendants of Child #3 and import it > into the new database. Write down the RIN range for these additions. > 3. In match merge, select the option to match on "Unique record serial > numbers." Do not select "Merge automatically . . ., so you can see who > the matches are. Don't do any merging. > Repeat, adding one child's descendants at a time to the database, and > writing down each set's RIN range. > You will be able to tell which Child's descendants are matching, by the > range of RINs the two matching descendants are in. And you should be > able to see that some descendants match more that one RIN range, so > descend from more than one child of the common. ancestor. > > I haven't done this, but it seems it should work. > > BTW, what is "dsp"? > > Joan Lowrey > > > At 04:48 PM 4/28/05 -0400, singhals wrote: > >> Thanks for trying, Alan, but I _know_ how many there are: 14,000+ >> What I want to know is, how many of them descend from two of the sons >> (or from one son twice)? >> >> I played with numbers, and Child #1 has 10,304 descendants; Child #2 >> dsp under age 5; Child #3 has 212 descendants; Child #4 dsp "young"; >> Child #5 had 693 descendants; child #6 -m- twice, no known children; >> Child #7 has 3610 descendants; and Child #8 has 1495 descendants. Add >> those numbers together, subtract from 14,xxx and I get (-2147), which >> suggests that *at least* 2000 descendants come through more than one >> son. That's a lot of folks to try to track manually. >> >> [And I just noticed the wierd dsp pattern...] >> >> Cheryl

Hi Cheryl I'm pretty new to genealogy so excuse the dumb question. Why is it necessary to know who the individuals are that are common descendants?? Regards, Ken Guilette South Barrington, IL ----- Original Message ----- From: singhals To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Multiple lines of descent/ascent Should work, Joan. Let me try it with a smaller database first. "dsp" - abbreviation of the Latin for "died without issue" Progress to-date: I tried a Descendant chart printed to file (.rtf); Word died when it tried to open the file...file was over 9M. So I switched to a generic text printer, and did it again. That one was small enough to open; I did a "Find" for "Printed on Page", and used the yellow hi-liter on all those (35, if memory serves). I'm not completely sure what good that did me (g), but it did work ... so I'm sure I'll figure it out. By reducing the top and bottom margins to 0.5 in, and removing all blank lines at the tops of pages, I got it down to under 400 pages. Cheryl Joan Lowrey wrote: > Cheryl, > > How would this work: > 1. Make a GEDCOM file of all the descendants of Child #1 and import it > into a new PAF database. Write down the highest RIN. > 2. Make a GEDCOM file of all the descendants of Child #3 and import it > into the new database. Write down the RIN range for these additions. > 3. In match merge, select the option to match on "Unique record serial > numbers." Do not select "Merge automatically . . ., so you can see who > the matches are. Don't do any merging. > Repeat, adding one child's descendants at a time to the database, and > writing down each set's RIN range. > You will be able to tell which Child's descendants are matching, by the > range of RINs the two matching descendants are in. And you should be > able to see that some descendants match more that one RIN range, so > descend from more than one child of the common. ancestor. > > I haven't done this, but it seems it should work. > > BTW, what is "dsp"? > > Joan Lowrey > > > At 04:48 PM 4/28/05 -0400, singhals wrote: > >> Thanks for trying, Alan, but I _know_ how many there are: 14,000+ >> What I want to know is, how many of them descend from two of the sons >> (or from one son twice)? >> >> I played with numbers, and Child #1 has 10,304 descendants; Child #2 >> dsp under age 5; Child #3 has 212 descendants; Child #4 dsp "young"; >> Child #5 had 693 descendants; child #6 -m- twice, no known children; >> Child #7 has 3610 descendants; and Child #8 has 1495 descendants. Add >> those numbers together, subtract from 14,xxx and I get (-2147), which >> suggests that *at least* 2000 descendants come through more than one >> son. That's a lot of folks to try to track manually. >> >> [And I just noticed the wierd dsp pattern...] >> >> Cheryl ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== FreeBMD - Free Access to England and Wales Civil Registration Index Volunteer as a Transcriber Today! http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

Good Evening All Could SKS suggest an easy method to compare to PAF files to determine if/where their are differences? I have managed to intertwine several separate paf files on my primary ancestor and now can not easily tell which was the primary. While the stats show individuals and marriages I am looking to figure out how to compare content that has been typed in. This comes from using two computers and keeping a traveling file also. Any suggestions short of starting over will be gladly accepted. Thanks Doug

WarnerCaldwell@aol.com wrote: >Good Evening All >Could SKS suggest an easy method to compare to PAF files to determine >if/where their are differences? I have managed to intertwine several separate paf >files on my primary ancestor and now can not easily tell which was the primary. > While the stats show individuals and marriages I am looking to figure out >how to compare content that has been typed in. This comes from using two >computers and keeping a traveling file also. >Any suggestions short of starting over will be gladly accepted. >Thanks >Doug > > >==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >PAF-5-USERS Mailing List Search >http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=PAF-5-USERS > > PAF Insight has a compare capability.

Thanks for trying, Alan, but I _know_ how many there are: 14,000+ What I want to know is, how many of them descend from two of the sons (or from one son twice)? I played with numbers, and Child #1 has 10,304 descendants; Child #2 dsp under age 5; Child #3 has 212 descendants; Child #4 dsp "young"; Child #5 had 693 descendants; child #6 -m- twice, no known children; Child #7 has 3610 descendants; and Child #8 has 1495 descendants. Add those numbers together, subtract from 14,xxx and I get (-2147), which suggests that *at least* 2000 descendants come through more than one son. That's a lot of folks to try to track manually. [And I just noticed the wierd dsp pattern...] Cheryl Alan Whitcomb wrote: > In PAF it´s easy to find out how many ancestors or descendants a > person has. I export a gedcom of my "selected" data. I can then > choose all the ancestors or decendants of a specific person in the > relationship filter. > > I don´t have to even actually export the file, just look at the number > of people filtered. > > Hope this helps > > > > On 4/27/05, singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > >>Is there a report in PAF2.0 thru 5.1.7 that will show me how many times >>a certain person descends from the common progenitor? Or, from the >>other end, how many descendants of X have more than one line of descent? >> >>We're working on a report for the Family Reunion in June, and short of >>sitting here COUNTING them each by each, I don't see a way to get it. >>I'm working with more than 14,000 descendants of one couple, I *KNOW* a >>fair number of them are double- or triple- descends but be darn if I can >>figure a way to ID 'em... >> >>I could do something magic with numbers to get a head count of the >>multi-descends, but I still wouldn't know who or how often ... >> >>Cheryl >> >>==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >>PAF-5-USERS Mailing List >>http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uindex.php >> >> > > >

In PAF it´s easy to find out how many ancestors or descendants a person has. I export a gedcom of my "selected" data. I can then choose all the ancestors or decendants of a specific person in the relationship filter. I don´t have to even actually export the file, just look at the number of people filtered. Hope this helps On 4/27/05, singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > > Is there a report in PAF2.0 thru 5.1.7 that will show me how many times > a certain person descends from the common progenitor? Or, from the > other end, how many descendants of X have more than one line of descent? > > We're working on a report for the Family Reunion in June, and short of > sitting here COUNTING them each by each, I don't see a way to get it. > I'm working with more than 14,000 descendants of one couple, I *KNOW* a > fair number of them are double- or triple- descends but be darn if I can > figure a way to ID 'em... > > I could do something magic with numbers to get a head count of the > multi-descends, but I still wouldn't know who or how often ... > > Cheryl > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > PAF-5-USERS Mailing List > http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uindex.php > >

Cheryl, How would this work: 1. Make a GEDCOM file of all the descendants of Child #1 and import it into a new PAF database. Write down the highest RIN. 2. Make a GEDCOM file of all the descendants of Child #3 and import it into the new database. Write down the RIN range for these additions. 3. In match merge, select the option to match on "Unique record serial numbers." Do not select "Merge automatically . . ., so you can see who the matches are. Don't do any merging. Repeat, adding one child's descendants at a time to the database, and writing down each set's RIN range. You will be able to tell which Child's descendants are matching, by the range of RINs the two matching descendants are in. And you should be able to see that some descendants match more that one RIN range, so descend from more than one child of the common. ancestor. I haven't done this, but it seems it should work. BTW, what is "dsp"? Joan Lowrey At 04:48 PM 4/28/05 -0400, singhals wrote: >Thanks for trying, Alan, but I _know_ how many there are: 14,000+ >What I want to know is, how many of them descend from two of the sons (or >from one son twice)? > >I played with numbers, and Child #1 has 10,304 descendants; Child #2 dsp >under age 5; Child #3 has 212 descendants; Child #4 dsp "young"; Child #5 >had 693 descendants; child #6 -m- twice, no known children; Child #7 has >3610 descendants; and Child #8 has 1495 descendants. Add those numbers >together, subtract from 14,xxx and I get (-2147), which suggests that *at >least* 2000 descendants come through more than one son. That's a lot of >folks to try to track manually. > >[And I just noticed the wierd dsp pattern...] > >Cheryl

Cheryl, I think what you need first is a direct descendant wall chart showing how an individual is a descendant of two or three children of the starting ancestor. It gets more complicated to "see" how an individual is a descendant of two or more marriages of later descendants of the common ancestor. A direct line box chart (siblings optional) along with data available in a KINSHIP report determines the choice of the genealogy program if relationships are more important than a large collection of descendant names. One genealogy program has an option to count intermarriages in a file. PAF is limited to one relationship of a child to TWO parents and is best used to enter bio relationships only. One of the list participants sent a sample of a PAF file with children of father's marriages all identified as bio children but some of the bio mother's children were identified as adopted when each bio parent had a second spouse. -- Elizabeth in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "singhals" > Is there a report in PAF2.0 thru 5.1.7 that will show me how many times a > certain person descends from the common progenitor? Or, from the other > end, how many descendants of X have more than one line of descent? > > We're working on a report for the Family Reunion in June, and short of > sitting here COUNTING them each by each, I don't see a way to get it. I'm > working with more than 14,000 descendants of one couple, I *KNOW* a fair > number of them are double- or triple- descends but be darn if I can figure > a way to ID 'em... > > I could do something magic with numbers to get a head count of the > multi-descends, but I still wouldn't know who or how often ...

But be sure not check "Include spouses," and when you get the result, subtract one, because the starting person is counted also. Joan Lowrey >In PAF it´s easy to find out how many ancestors or descendants a >person has. I export a gedcom of my "selected" data. I can then >choose all the ancestors or decendants of a specific person in the >relationship filter. > >I don´t have to even actually export the file, just look at the number >of people filtered.

ken wrote: > Does anyone on the list have any experience with Clooz software?? > How do you like it?? In case others don't know about Clooze, it's not a gen prog. like PAF or FTM. It's a programme designed to keep electronic track of the records you've accumulated and can also be used to keep track of the paper. Once properly set up, it will give you a complete picture of what records you have for each person in your d/b. One just has to get used to the idea of filing docs by type rather than by family name. I bought Clooze several years ago and started to use it but found it very labour intensive to set up. I've since abandoned it, mainly because it had no specific category for parish register records other than 'Miscellaneous' which was starting to get very unwieldy. All my research is in the UK and most of my records consist of data from parish registers. Even though there were pages set up for the UK, censuses, I honestly thought that the programme was more geared to US research. Nothing basically wrong with the prog, you understand, but if you have large data files it will be a long job to get everything set up. A great deal of thought has to be applied to the numbering system you use. I made several false starts. I'm sorry that it didn't work for me. (I did like the idea of filing docs by type rather than by family name, though, and have since followed that idea very successfully. I can put my hands on any doc within seconds--even without Clooze!) Stella Howlett BC, Canada . > > Regards, > > Ken Guilette > South Barrington, IL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ellen > To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:22 PM > Subject: [PAF-5] Re: Record keeping > > > Clooz software will do that. It is nothing but forms to fill out > for your > documents (every census, will, etc). You first import a gedcom > into it, > then you start putting the documents in it. I think you can also > just put > the individuals in as you enter the documents. I've never used > it, but I've > seen it demonstrated. Search for it on Google, or check for an ad > in > genealogy magazines. > > Good luck, > Ellen > > At 11:00 AM 4/27/2005 -0600, you wrote: > > >X-Message: #3 > >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:25:21 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Walter S Porter <dmarina@sbcglobal.net> > >To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > >Message-ID: <20050426212521.33185.qmail@web81008.mail.yahoo.com> > >Subject: Record keeping. > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > >I,m a first timer at this. Is there a way to put text into > blank forms > >such as Cemetery Reports, Census Reports, Research Reports, > Military > >Reports, etc. I hope someone can let me know. I have so much > information > >to record that I would like to do it on the computer rather than > having to > >do it by hand. Thanks in advance. Diane > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > PAF @ FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/paf/ >

Does anyone on the list have any experience with Clooz software?? How do you like it?? Regards, Ken Guilette South Barrington, IL ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: [PAF-5] Re: Record keeping Clooz software will do that. It is nothing but forms to fill out for your documents (every census, will, etc). You first import a gedcom into it, then you start putting the documents in it. I think you can also just put the individuals in as you enter the documents. I've never used it, but I've seen it demonstrated. Search for it on Google, or check for an ad in genealogy magazines. Good luck, Ellen At 11:00 AM 4/27/2005 -0600, you wrote: >X-Message: #3 >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:25:21 -0700 (PDT) >From: Walter S Porter <dmarina@sbcglobal.net> >To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <20050426212521.33185.qmail@web81008.mail.yahoo.com> >Subject: Record keeping. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I,m a first timer at this. Is there a way to put text into blank forms >such as Cemetery Reports, Census Reports, Research Reports, Military >Reports, etc. I hope someone can let me know. I have so much information >to record that I would like to do it on the computer rather than having to >do it by hand. Thanks in advance. Diane ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== RootsWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/

Clooz software will do that. It is nothing but forms to fill out for your documents (every census, will, etc). You first import a gedcom into it, then you start putting the documents in it. I think you can also just put the individuals in as you enter the documents. I've never used it, but I've seen it demonstrated. Search for it on Google, or check for an ad in genealogy magazines. Good luck, Ellen At 11:00 AM 4/27/2005 -0600, you wrote: >X-Message: #3 >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:25:21 -0700 (PDT) >From: Walter S Porter <dmarina@sbcglobal.net> >To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <20050426212521.33185.qmail@web81008.mail.yahoo.com> >Subject: Record keeping. >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I,m a first timer at this. Is there a way to put text into blank forms >such as Cemetery Reports, Census Reports, Research Reports, Military >Reports, etc. I hope someone can let me know. I have so much information >to record that I would like to do it on the computer rather than having to >do it by hand. Thanks in advance. Diane

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Is there a report in PAF2.0 thru 5.1.7 that will show me how many times a certain person descends from the common progenitor? Or, from the other end, how many descendants of X have more than one line of descent? We're working on a report for the Family Reunion in June, and short of sitting here COUNTING them each by each, I don't see a way to get it. I'm working with more than 14,000 descendants of one couple, I *KNOW* a fair number of them are double- or triple- descends but be darn if I can figure a way to ID 'em... I could do something magic with numbers to get a head count of the multi-descends, but I still wouldn't know who or how often ... Cheryl

Diane, there are Census Forms as well as Cemetery Records Recording Sheets available to download from: http://www.censustools.com/ These may be able to help with what you need to do. While they are free, the creator appreciates donations :-). Censusmate is another aid which may help too. It can be downloaded in MS Excel format for filling in on your computer: http://censusmate.com/index.html Ancestry.com have census forms to download. These are in PDF format and are to be used as paper records for hand completion, not quite what you want to do. I just included them in case they offer something the others don't as far as your needs go: http://www.ancestry.com/save/charts/census.htm Lance P. S. Check out Legacy Family Tree today! This full featured genealogy program can be downloaded FREE at http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Index.asp?mid=52583ii -----Original Message----- From: Walter S Porter [mailto:dmarina@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, 27 April 2005 7:25 AM To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] Record keeping. I,m a first timer at this. Is there a way to put text into blank forms such as Cemetery Reports, Census Reports, Research Reports, Military Reports, etc. I hope someone can let me know. I have so much information to record that I would like to do it on the computer rather than having to do it by hand. Thanks in advance. Diane