Yes, a GEDCOM only carries with it the sources on those people. I literally copied the entire PAF database and renamed the file, no GEDCOM involved. (Leaving me with two databases - MyRealDatabase.paf and MyNewCopy.paf) Then Advanced Focus / Filter, relationship filter All, Delete is a very very quick way to clean out an entire database. But it leaves all the sources in your source list intact. <snip> This is a clever solution when you have a manageable number of individuals you can delete. The important detail to keep in mind is that when you create a GEDCOM, only those sources, repositories, and citations associated with the individuals selected for the GEDCOM are copied into the GEDCOM. So this technique is selective and if you want the entire list of sources, you will have to select the entire database of individuals. Richard Rands At 06:30 AM 5/11/2005 -0400, Regina Barry wrote: >I 'moved' a source list by copying my PAF database, selecting all the >people in it and deleting the people. > >Left the sources with a clean database to work in... Regina Barry * rmbarry1066@earthlink.net * http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rbarry4145/index.htm

I am experimenting with marriage events. the issue is when a family is on a census and you create a citation for each member of the family the printout of the family group sheet is very long. or do you make it a family event? or a family source. how do you copy the individual events like emigration to be a family event. . Larry Simonsen

Richard, Or create an individual or two that use all the sources that you want. When you get to the new data base, delete the "source holders." Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Rands" <rrands@cfmc.com> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] RE: Moving Sources > This is a clever solution when you have a manageable number of individuals > you can delete. The important detail to keep in mind is that when you > create a GEDCOM, only those sources, repositories, and citations > associated with the individuals selected for the GEDCOM are copied into > the GEDCOM. So this technique is selective and if you want the entire > list of sources, you will have to select the entire database of > individuals. > > Richard Rands > > > At 06:30 AM 5/11/2005 -0400, Regina Barry wrote: >>I 'moved' a source list by copying my PAF database, selecting all the >>people in it and deleting the people. >> >>Left the sources with a clean database to work in... >> >>Regina Barry * rmbarry1066@earthlink.net * >>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rbarry4145/index.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >>FreeBMD - Free Access to England and Wales Civil Registration Index >>Volunteer as a Transcriber Today! >>http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > >

This is a clever solution when you have a manageable number of individuals you can delete. The important detail to keep in mind is that when you create a GEDCOM, only those sources, repositories, and citations associated with the individuals selected for the GEDCOM are copied into the GEDCOM. So this technique is selective and if you want the entire list of sources, you will have to select the entire database of individuals. Richard Rands At 06:30 AM 5/11/2005 -0400, Regina Barry wrote: >I 'moved' a source list by copying my PAF database, selecting all the >people in it and deleting the people. > >Left the sources with a clean database to work in... > >Regina Barry * rmbarry1066@earthlink.net * >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rbarry4145/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > >==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >FreeBMD - Free Access to England and Wales Civil Registration Index >Volunteer as a Transcriber Today! >http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

No, the GEDCOM replies on the people selected. You can import another GEDCOM into the 'empty' database and start attaching sources, source details, etc to those persons. Regina Barry * rmbarry1066@earthlink.net * http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rbarry4145/index.htm

Regina Barry wrote: > I 'moved' a source list by copying my PAF database, selecting all the > people in it and deleting the people. > > Left the sources with a clean database to work in... > > Regina Barry * rmbarry1066@earthlink.net * > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rbarry4145/index.htm Creative thinking, Regina! I'd've thought deleting the people would have deleted the sources too ... Thanks! Cheryl

Hi Regine Can you create a gedcom of your source database?? (Since there are no individuals). Regards Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Regina Barry To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 5:30 AM Subject: [PAF-5] RE: Moving Sources I 'moved' a source list by copying my PAF database, selecting all the people in it and deleting the people. Left the sources with a clean database to work in... Regina Barry * rmbarry1066@earthlink.net * http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rbarry4145/index.htm ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== FreeBMD - Free Access to England and Wales Civil Registration Index Volunteer as a Transcriber Today! http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/

I 'moved' a source list by copying my PAF database, selecting all the people in it and deleting the people. Left the sources with a clean database to work in... Regina Barry * rmbarry1066@earthlink.net * http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rbarry4145/index.htm

Is there anyone on this list who used PAF 1.0? It came out in 1984. I didn't start using PAF until 2.0 which was released in Sep 1986. I need to know if PAF 1.0 had GEDCOM. I know 2.0 did, in the GIE program (Genealogical Information Exchange). Thanks, Joan Lowrey

I can sympathize with the writer who struggles with Sources. I spend more time on that than writing notes. I am trying to keep the source list short, and find the helps and tips have some good suggestions. But, I was wondering, when I get through with this particular branch of the family in Oregon, could I transfer their sources to a file to save in case I want to work on them again. How could I save them as a list that I could put back into the active source list again sometime? Thanks Helen

Donna Hrynkiw wrote: > Hi Cheryl > > On 5/8/05, singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > >>Is it possible to change the field names on the individual screen (the >>Custom ID, Married Name, AFN, Physical desc., etc)? > > > Do you want to change the name of an existing field or add new fields > and remove existing fields? Hopefully its the latter, I don't think > the former is possible.) I find that customizing any app tends to degrade reliability and portability, so I'm looking for the option that has the highest probability of long-term success with the fewest potential problems. (g) Not that I'm paranoid, or anything. > > >>Can it be done in an active db or does it have to be done on an empty >>one? >>Cheryl > > > It can be done in an active database. > > I think what you want is to create your own template of events. > Tools > Preferences > Templates > Add (to add your own template. Typically I use my initials in the > template to make it really stand out from the standard PAF > installation.) > > Choose fields to add from under "Possible Fields" on the left and use > the arrow button in the middle to move it over to "Fields for the > template". It doesn't take much work to reproduce the default template > and tweak it to your preferences. > > You can also drag-and-drop the fields in the right column up and down > to re-arrange the order if you like. You must include the Full Name > and Sex fields. > > Once you've created your template and are back at the Templates tab, > select your template and choose the "Make Active" button to apply the > template to everyone in your database. > > I don't believe you can create custom fields ("Favourite Colour"). > That would be information for the Notes area. However the selection of > available fields is pretty darned extensive. Fudge. Oh, well, it was a thought. Thanks, everyone. Cheryl

I did creat a custom template using some slightly different events - this is one way to see what you want on your individual screen. It will be the labels for different events, not really changing the ones that are there. Check the Help under 'Custom Template'. The one (with the events) that you usually see is the Default template (check lower right of Individual Screen). Regina Barry * rmbarry1066@earthlink.net * http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rbarry4145/index.htm

Hi Cheryl On 5/8/05, singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote: > Is it possible to change the field names on the individual screen (the > Custom ID, Married Name, AFN, Physical desc., etc)? Do you want to change the name of an existing field or add new fields and remove existing fields? Hopefully its the latter, I don't think the former is possible.) > Can it be done in an active db or does it have to be done on an empty > one? > Cheryl It can be done in an active database. I think what you want is to create your own template of events. Tools > Preferences > Templates Add (to add your own template. Typically I use my initials in the template to make it really stand out from the standard PAF installation.) Choose fields to add from under "Possible Fields" on the left and use the arrow button in the middle to move it over to "Fields for the template". It doesn't take much work to reproduce the default template and tweak it to your preferences. You can also drag-and-drop the fields in the right column up and down to re-arrange the order if you like. You must include the Full Name and Sex fields. Once you've created your template and are back at the Templates tab, select your template and choose the "Make Active" button to apply the template to everyone in your database. I don't believe you can create custom fields ("Favourite Colour"). That would be information for the Notes area. However the selection of available fields is pretty darned extensive. Best, Donna Hrynkiw Researching HRYNKIW (any place, any time) and PETRASH/PETROSZ. Both from near Borshchiw, Ternopil, Ukraine c. 1880-1922

Stewart, Would it be too much trouble to give brief examples of sources for each of the four classes. I struggle more with sources than any other subject. I would really appreciate it if you would be so kind. Thank you. maxinehartley@sympatico.ca

Is it possible to change the field names on the individual screen (the Custom ID, Married Name, AFN, Physical desc., etc)? Can it be done in an active db or does it have to be done on an empty one? If the latter, do I then just GED the data in, or will it open the old db in the new template? Tnx -- and yes, I guess that is more than one idiot question ... Cheryl

Thanks for your reply. I didn't realize there was an option to cite a source for the Individual. That will come in handy. I did read the help stuff, but missed a lot, apparently. Helen

Hi Helen, There are actually four "classes" of source information that can be added in PAF, as follows: 1. Against any Individual Event that has an "s" (source) button. 2. Against the Individual for sources not directly related to an event ("Individual Sources" button on the Individual Edit screen). 3. Against any Marriage Event that has an "s" (source) button. 4. Against the Family associated with a marriage not directly related to any marriage event (Family Sources button on the Marriage Edit screen). Regards, Stewart -----Original Message----- From: Helen W Hamilton [mailto:hwhamilton2@msn.com] Sent: 07 May 2005 00:25 To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] Citing sources for family events? The help information on citing sources says that sources can be added to individual, marriage and family events. I can figure out how to do the first two, but how are sources added to family? Helen ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uindex.php

The help information on citing sources says that sources can be added to individual, marriage and family events. I can figure out how to do the first two, but how are sources added to family? Helen

Brad Paul <paulsstarrabbittree@yahoo.com> wrote:Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 04:38:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Paul <paulsstarrabbittree@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re:"disappearing" individual screen view To: Beverly <kngsldy@cableone.net> Some times when Im playing with the data, for some unknown reason in individual screen all data just doen't appear. The first time I really got scare. I thought something happen to my data base. But if you click anywhere the database should be - it appears again. How I don't get to excited- just click. R Paul Beverly <kngsldy@cableone.net> wrote: Open to the Individual Screen view, place cursor anywhere on the column title bar and right click. From the drop-down click on Add or Modify Columns and make certain the items you want to see have been moved from the left pane to the right pane. Had a patron yesterday with the same problem you describe and somehow name, rin #, etc. had not been placed in the right pane. Don't know how or why this happens, but this is a quick fix. Beverly > > > Something bad has happened to my PAF database. Everything seems fine >EXCEPT when I open the Individual Screen view, nothing is there!! I can open >a different file and it is the same thing! Anyone had this happen and how to >solve it? Thanks > > -- Mailto:kngsldy@cableone.net Families are Forever! ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service http://www.familysearch.org/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

preferences/file/log log changes is greyed out even when the box is checked. Using PAF 5.2.18 with windows 98SE Suggestions on how to fix appreciated. bhk --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour