Is there a way to Display the Ordinance Data (B E SP SS) on the Family Page.for the Husband and Wife without going in to the Edit Page. I have the children showing but the parents don't show the ordinance data unless I go in and Edit. In Put Please, Donna -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.0 - Release Date: 5/30/2005

Is there a way to Display the Ordinance Data (B E SP SS) on the Family Page. I have the children but the parents don't show the ordinance data unless I go in and Edit. In Put Please, Donna -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.0 - Release Date: 5/30/2005

I seem to have a problem when trying to preview a custom report. I get this message "Unexpected error in Custom Report while trying to open Temp File:" 10- I am trying to create a list of Files that have the B, E and SP Dates. Input please Donna -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.3.0 - Release Date: 5/30/2005

I think Alan's comment below as to the "right or wrong way" to do genealogy and "laws" on how it should be done are right on point. Much of the discussion on this thread seem to deal with personal feelings on whether or not homosexual marriages should or should not be recognized in genealogy. And it appears that most of the comments are based on a personal theological or religious belief. That is not the point. The question originally posed was "how do I record a homosexual marriage in PAF." So I don't believe it is proper or on point, in this venue, to try to convince anyone about one point of view or another as to the validity or appropriateness of trying to record this type of marriage. Now, for an idea of how to record this type of marriage, which PAF is not set up to do, by virtue of the program requiring one party of the marriage to be listed as male and the other as female. I suggest that you record one party, whether of male or female gender, and then add the children to that individual. This will result in a marriage with one partner listed as unknown (no RIN will be assigned to the unknown spouse and a no MRIN to the marriage). Then record the second party of the same gender to your PAF database and list the same children. Then edit the two marriage screens to add the appropriate date and place for the marriage (as appropriate) and notes to each indicating it is a "same sex" marriage and that the unknown spouse is-enter the name of the "marriage" partner of the same gender (and that individual's RIN). You might want to add a similar entry under the Notes of each individual partner, so that anyone looking at it later is more likely to find that it is a "same sex marriage." You may also want to edit the child relationship to show that they are adopted by both marriage partners , if that is the case, or show adopted to only one of the partners, if the child/children are natural children of the other partner. I hope this explanation makes sense. It seems to be rather clumsy, but is the only way I can see that it can be accomplished in the PAF program. If anyone wants to see an example of this idea, email me off list and I'll be happy to send you a gedcom of what I set up to test the idea. And realize that my quotation marks around the words marriage and same sex marriage are intended in no way to indicate my feelings on same sex marriages, but are intended to emphasize that this suggestion is only deals with same sex marriages. Dick Cazier Lakewood, Colorado USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura G." <beagenie@charter.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > Persons concerned about this topic might be interested in reading the > demography of "family" > as set forth, believe it or not, by the Univ. of CA Entomology Dept.: > > http://entomology.ucdavis.edu/courses/hde19/lecture4.html > > Laura Gentner Dunwald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Jones at home" <alanjones10@cox.net> > To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:56 PM > Subject: RE: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > > >> Karl, >> >> There is no right or wrong way to do genalogy, no laws mandate how it is >> to be done. >> I personally strive 1st to follow the legal guardian/parent as you do, >> but I also try >> to keep the biological connections where I can. >> Luckily in PAF it allows a person to have multiple fathers, mulitiple >> mothers and it >> Allows you to mark them as biological, adoptive, etc. >> >> Alan Jones >> Mission Viejo, Calif. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jenealogy [mailto:jenealogy@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:39 PM >> To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content >> >> >> From my understanding...Your roots follow the "legal" guardian or >> parent. That is the way I am doing it. Is that incorrect? If we are >> suppose to go by biological I am going to be up a tree. Within 3 >> generations we have several out of wedlock, adoptive, "affair children" >> and other situations that would definitely cause anxiety & frustration. >> >> So which track do you take? >> >> - Karl >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Trudy Lundy" <ltlundy@comcast.net> >> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 9:06 AM >> Subject: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content >> >> >>> I have a question -- from an LDS standpoint -- a gay couple would >>> never be sealed (guess someone could "lie" them in) or have children >>> sealed to them (unless things changed for one of them). So why not >>> just link children to biological or adoptive parents, whichever case >>> if known (or as unknown), >> who >>> are not gay? What about children of sperm donors, known or unknown? >>> Some children (of sperm donors) have found their biological fathers. >>> I have >> read >>> of actual cases. And then there are the rare cases of surrogate >>> mothers. These are all very interesting genealogical questions. >>> >>> Just wondering........ >>> >>> Trudy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >>> AVG Anti-Virus Users >>> Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner >>> tab. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >> RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: >> Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time >> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ >> >> >> >> ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >> AVG Anti-Virus Users >> Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner >> tab. >> > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > AVG Anti-Virus Users > Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner tab. > >

I just want to thank those who answered my question. Unfortunately, having problems with my computer due to a new program recently installed, I haven't been able to follow your instructions; therefore, I will let you know, hopefully soon, whether I was successful or not. Again, thanks. Lucie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I just want to thank those who answered my question. Unfortunately, having problems with my computer due to a new program recently installed, I haven't been able to follow your instructions; therefore, I will let you know, hopefully soon, whether I was successful or not. Again, thanks. Lucie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Persons concerned about this topic might be interested in reading the demography of "family" as set forth, believe it or not, by the Univ. of CA Entomology Dept.: http://entomology.ucdavis.edu/courses/hde19/lecture4.html Laura Gentner Dunwald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Jones at home" <alanjones10@cox.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: RE: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > Karl, > > There is no right or wrong way to do genalogy, no laws mandate how it is > to be done. > I personally strive 1st to follow the legal guardian/parent as you do, > but I also try > to keep the biological connections where I can. > Luckily in PAF it allows a person to have multiple fathers, mulitiple > mothers and it > Allows you to mark them as biological, adoptive, etc. > > Alan Jones > Mission Viejo, Calif. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jenealogy [mailto:jenealogy@earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:39 PM > To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > > > From my understanding...Your roots follow the "legal" guardian or > parent. That is the way I am doing it. Is that incorrect? If we are > suppose to go by biological I am going to be up a tree. Within 3 > generations we have several out of wedlock, adoptive, "affair children" > and other situations that would definitely cause anxiety & frustration. > > So which track do you take? > > - Karl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trudy Lundy" <ltlundy@comcast.net> > To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 9:06 AM > Subject: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > > >> I have a question -- from an LDS standpoint -- a gay couple would >> never be sealed (guess someone could "lie" them in) or have children >> sealed to them (unless things changed for one of them). So why not >> just link children to biological or adoptive parents, whichever case >> if known (or as unknown), > who >> are not gay? What about children of sperm donors, known or unknown? >> Some children (of sperm donors) have found their biological fathers. >> I have > read >> of actual cases. And then there are the rare cases of surrogate >> mothers. These are all very interesting genealogical questions. >> >> Just wondering........ >> >> Trudy >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== >> AVG Anti-Virus Users >> Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner >> tab. >> >> > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: > Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > AVG Anti-Virus Users > Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner tab. >

In a message dated 5/31/2005 5:30:13 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, singhals@erols.com writes: I want a COUNT of all persons born with surname X + those born with surname Xprime. And then I want a count of how many of those are born between 1900 and 2005. You can use Custom Reports to do this. It involves using field filters to get the right names and has the advantage that you can view the results as well as getting the count. You do not have to use anything but PAF 5.

In a message dated 5/30/2005 8:50:47 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, lucieservole@yahoo.com writes: I need help - I want to save a Report of Descendants of a specific ancestor so that I can email it to some one, but I do not want to show full detail of persons still living. Can anyone tell me how to create a Rich Text Format (.rtf) file and not show full detail (birth date, etc...) of living persons? Sure hope it can be done. PAF makes this really easy using Custom Reports. Go to Reports, click on the Custom tab, Change the name of the report to something appropriate (like Lucie's Selections). Select all the people you want in the report (this takes you to a page that looks just like the gedcom selection page). Now use the Report Layout to set the report up. You can use any of the possible fields (click on the Fields button) listed there. It takes some practice to get it set up just the way you want it. Use Preview to look at the report until it is right. You can change the fonts used, the orientation of the paper and lots of other things to get it right. When it is the way you want it, just click on the box on the right lower left side that says "Print to file" this will save your report to an rtf file and you can send it out. However, it will not let you marry two guys together. There are some things even PAF won't do.

At 08:29 AM 5/31/2005 -0400, singhals wrote: >surname X >/OR/ >surname Xprime >/AND/ >bd range As written above, the bd range will only apply to the surname Xprime. To filter the bd range against both names you will need the have parentheses as follows: ( surname X /OR/ surname Xprime ) /AND/ bd range Richard Rands

Database is 35000+ so doing this manually isn't an option. Database concerns ALL known descendants of X and Y, including a variant spelling of surname. I want a COUNT of all persons born with surname X + those born with surname Xprime. And then I want a count of how many of those are born between 1900 and 2005. When I ran the first filter, I got 1210 with X or Xprime. When I added the bd range 1900-2005, the count went up 1437, and included the original X b 1695. I didn't see other surnames in the results list, which I was afraid I might. I used as search criteria: surname X /OR/ surname Xprime /AND/ bd range So ... short of upgrading to a later v of PAF ... is there a way to make this do what I want? Or do I just dump the surname results into a csv and then into a spreadsheet? Thanks Cheryl

lucieservole@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi, everyone: > > I need help - I want to save a Report of Descendants of a specific ancestor so that I can email it to some one, but I do not want to show full detail of persons still living. > > Can anyone tell me how to create a Rich Text Format (.rtf) file and not show full detail (birth date, etc...) of living persons? Sure hope it can be done. > > > I followed the steps given in the instructions but I still can't do it unless I use the feature Export which gives me a GED file. > > Thank you for your help. > > Lucie FILE/Print Reports/ Descendants/ In the next box there is a radio-button for NO DATES be sure that button has a black dot in it; and to the right of that box is one for "Include place of birth, include place of death" be sure neither of those has a checkmark. That will remove those details from ALL persons, though. SO: FILE/export/ select Ancestral File as your target, and in the list to the right be sure there is no checkmark in the "include full data on living" box. Now, import the GED just created into an EMPTY PAF file, and print the descendants report, which can't have the living info because it's not in the database to be included. Cheryl

Hi Lance, That is unfortunate but with the use of any acronym that is bound to happen. Thanks for bringing it to my attention though. I'll make sure I'll note in the documentation that it is not the Society. Kind regards, Manfred Riem mriem@manorrock.org http://www.manorrock.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Lance [mailto:lance.b.4u@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:01 PM > To: mriem@manorrock.org > Subject: RE: [PAF-5] SAG API 0.1 released > > Manfred, your choice of "SAG" is a bit confusing for > Australians. Those are the initials commonly used down here > by the Society of Australian Genealogists. When I saw your > first post, I naturally assumed it was something they had > been working on :-). > > Visit their site at: http://www.sag.org.au/ (Notice the "sag"?). > > Lance > > > P. S. Check out Legacy Family Tree today! This full featured > genealogy program can be downloaded FREE at > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Index.asp?mid=52583ii > -----Original Message----- > From: Manfred Riem [mailto:mriem@manorrock.org] > Sent: Monday, 30 May 2005 5:27 AM > To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [PAF-5] SAG API 0.1 released > > Hi Ross, > > > From: Ross G. H. Cotton [mailto:rgcotton@skylinc.net] > > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 11:58 AM > > To: mriem@manorrock.org > > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] SAG API 0.1 released > > > > I wish you would tell everybody what API stands for? > > API stands for Application Programming Interface, it is a > means for programmers to use a specific package. I am aware > that not everyone is a programmer, but a review of the design > can be done by anyone. > > > And what does SAG mean? > > SAG is an acronym for Simple API for Genealogy. I am trying > to make it possible to make it easier to access genealogical > data more uniformly. > > > You don't say but I think hidden in the outcome is that my > data would > > be stored on the Internet for ALL to steal and make > incorrect changes > > to? > > > > Is that correct? > > Actually whether or not you want to use the Web version is > entirely up to you. Right now I don't even have that version > online, it is still in the early stages of development. It > will feature login and SSL security so if you do NOT want to > share your data with anybody it won't be shared. > > The reason why I am introducing the Web version is to make it > easier to collaborate with close family members. Each of > which will have their own separate logins. > > If you want to review and help me hammer out a good model on > what can and cannot be done, or should I say what should be > done and should not be done, please speak up. > > Just so you know the other version, which is the Java > Webstart version still stores your data on your local PC in > the PAF 5 data format, the only thing it gets from the > Internet is the updates to the program. > > Kind regards, > Manfred Riem > >

Hi, everyone: I need help - I want to save a Report of Descendants of a specific ancestor so that I can email it to some one, but I do not want to show full detail of persons still living. Can anyone tell me how to create a Rich Text Format (.rtf) file and not show full detail (birth date, etc...) of living persons? Sure hope it can be done. I followed the steps given in the instructions but I still can't do it unless I use the feature Export which gives me a GED file. Thank you for your help. Lucie --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site!

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Your message on Roots, raises lots of scenarios. The way you are doing it is certainly not wrong and it should give you a lot of self satisfaction. You must realize that the "Legal" in regards to Adoption or Guradian only became common in the 20th Century. Prior to that nobody bothered with what was Legal, rather than whether they wanted the child to live or die of starvation, or as an extra farm hand. It is obvious that your definition of "Roots" and mine is different for good and logical reasons. In my case I'm now involved in DNA testing to determine my Roots and that involves the blood line of the paternal side of the family. Ross GH Cotton, Burlington ON CAN 905)639-2929 Genealogy of the COTTON surname is my Enigma. I haven't sent an attachment if the details are not mentioned above. Check out my Genealogy Web Page at www.skylinc.net/~rgcotton GOONS member responsible for tracking the family name COTTON, #1437 Coordinator for Cotton DNA testing Project, Worldwide ----- Original Message ----- From: Jenealogy To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content >From my understanding...Your roots follow the "legal" guardian or parent. That is the way I am doing it. Is that incorrect? If we are suppose to go by biological I am going to be up a tree. Within 3 generations we have several out of wedlock, adoptive, "affair children" and other situations that would definitely cause anxiety & frustration. So which track do you take? - Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trudy Lundy" <ltlundy@comcast.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 9:06 AM Subject: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > I have a question -- from an LDS standpoint -- a gay couple would never be > sealed (guess someone could "lie" them in) or have children sealed to them > (unless things changed for one of them). So why not just link children to > biological or adoptive parents, whichever case if known (or as unknown), who > are not gay? What about children of sperm donors, known or unknown? Some > children (of sperm donors) have found their biological fathers. I have read > of actual cases. And then there are the rare cases of surrogate mothers. > These are all very interesting genealogical questions. > > Just wondering........ > > Trudy > > > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > AVG Anti-Virus Users > Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner tab. > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/

Karl, There is no right or wrong way to do genalogy, no laws mandate how it is to be done. I personally strive 1st to follow the legal guardian/parent as you do, but I also try to keep the biological connections where I can. Luckily in PAF it allows a person to have multiple fathers, mulitiple mothers and it Allows you to mark them as biological, adoptive, etc. Alan Jones Mission Viejo, Calif. -----Original Message----- From: Jenealogy [mailto:jenealogy@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:39 PM To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content From my understanding...Your roots follow the "legal" guardian or parent. That is the way I am doing it. Is that incorrect? If we are suppose to go by biological I am going to be up a tree. Within 3 generations we have several out of wedlock, adoptive, "affair children" and other situations that would definitely cause anxiety & frustration. So which track do you take? - Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trudy Lundy" <ltlundy@comcast.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 9:06 AM Subject: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > I have a question -- from an LDS standpoint -- a gay couple would > never be sealed (guess someone could "lie" them in) or have children > sealed to them (unless things changed for one of them). So why not > just link children to biological or adoptive parents, whichever case > if known (or as unknown), who > are not gay? What about children of sperm donors, known or unknown? > Some children (of sperm donors) have found their biological fathers. > I have read > of actual cases. And then there are the rare cases of surrogate > mothers. These are all very interesting genealogical questions. > > Just wondering........ > > Trudy > > > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > AVG Anti-Virus Users > Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner > tab. > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/

From my understanding...Your roots follow the "legal" guardian or parent. That is the way I am doing it. Is that incorrect? If we are suppose to go by biological I am going to be up a tree. Within 3 generations we have several out of wedlock, adoptive, "affair children" and other situations that would definitely cause anxiety & frustration. So which track do you take? - Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trudy Lundy" <ltlundy@comcast.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 9:06 AM Subject: [PAF-5] Re: Acknowledging gay marriages in PAF--LDS content > I have a question -- from an LDS standpoint -- a gay couple would never be > sealed (guess someone could "lie" them in) or have children sealed to them > (unless things changed for one of them). So why not just link children to > biological or adoptive parents, whichever case if known (or as unknown), who > are not gay? What about children of sperm donors, known or unknown? Some > children (of sperm donors) have found their biological fathers. I have read > of actual cases. And then there are the rare cases of surrogate mothers. > These are all very interesting genealogical questions. > > Just wondering........ > > Trudy > > > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > AVG Anti-Virus Users > Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner tab. > >

Dear Listers, I wonder if you might be able to help, I am using PAF5, and would like to have all siblings listed. Not sure what sort of chart this would be called. I do realise that this would be very unwieldy, but would like to have the various lines instead of just one. I hope I have explained this clearly, and Thank You for your help! Stephanie.

Hi Ross, > From: Ross G. H. Cotton [mailto:rgcotton@skylinc.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 11:58 AM > To: mriem@manorrock.org > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] SAG API 0.1 released > > I wish you would tell everybody what API stands for? API stands for Application Programming Interface, it is a means for programmers to use a specific package. I am aware that not everyone is a programmer, but a review of the design can be done by anyone. > And what does SAG mean? SAG is an acronym for Simple API for Genealogy. I am trying to make it possible to make it easier to access genealogical data more uniformly. > You don't say but I think hidden in the outcome is that > my data would be stored on the Internet for ALL to steal > and make incorrect changes to? > > Is that correct? Actually whether or not you want to use the Web version is entirely up to you. Right now I don't even have that version online, it is still in the early stages of development. It will feature login and SSL security so if you do NOT want to share your data with anybody it won't be shared. The reason why I am introducing the Web version is to make it easier to collaborate with close family members. Each of which will have their own separate logins. If you want to review and help me hammer out a good model on what can and cannot be done, or should I say what should be done and should not be done, please speak up. Just so you know the other version, which is the Java Webstart version still stores your data on your local PC in the PAF 5 data format, the only thing it gets from the Internet is the updates to the program. Kind regards, Manfred Riem mriem@manorrock.org http://www.manorrock.org/