This is a common problem that seems obvious once you understand how it works. Programs such as PAF *CAN* *NOT* run your CD burner -- they have no ability to set up the CD burner and go through the CD burning process. You have open a CD burning program and, from there, choose the PAF (or any other) files you want to burn to the CD. I have Windows XP and I actually find it simpler to use windows than my CD-burner program (Nero) to burn my backups to CD. First I open up "My Documents" folder and browse to the files I want to back up. Then I open a NEW "My Documents" folder and browse to my CD-writer drive (in my system, it is the D:\ drive). Then I just drag the files I want to burn from their box to the D:\ box. I can continue to browse and drag files from any folder on my computer until I have dragged all the files that I want to burn to my CD. Then I simply click on the "Write these files to CD" link on the top of the left-side task bar. There are a few steps to follow, but you are told what to do at each step. Please let us know if you were successful. Sherrie > ----- Original Message ----- From: <HRETNUH@aol.com> > To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 11:41 PM > Subject: [PAF-5] Back-up to CD's > > >> Can anyone tell me how to back up my files to a CD ? I have tried >> going to >> file, backup, save to, CD_RW Drive E . It says the E drive is not >> Accessable. Someone said it is my CD so I bought a new one. Still >> the same. I >> thought it might be my computer so I I went to the Family history >> Library and It >> did the same thing and nobody there knew how to do it. I have back >> ups on >> floppys but need them on CD's for new Computer, HELP!!! Thanks Becky

unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: <PAF-5-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <PAF-5-USERS-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: PAF-5-USERS-D Digest V05 #137

To all those who have downloaded the GenCharts for PAF program from www.familyhistoryguide.com, make sure you also download the User's Guide for that program. This guide will give you a run down on the program and then describe each of the reports available in some detail. These unique reports are like no others you've ever seen from any genealogy program so you will want to study them thoughly to see what they provide. From the website home page, click on the "more about GenCharts" hyperlink. On the next screen, click on the hyperlink for the User's Guide. It's a free download so if you don't yet have the program, you can look at it to see if you want the program before subscribing to the website. Lynn E. Mower website owner

This question was addressed recently if you look in the archives. External floppy drives are available for a few dollars. You just plug them in to one of the USB ports on your computer and then you can continue to back-up to a floppy disk. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: <HRETNUH@aol.com> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 11:41 PM Subject: [PAF-5] Back-up to CD's > Can anyone tell me how to back up my files to a CD ? I have tried going > to > file, backup, save to, CD_RW Drive E . It says the E drive is not > Accessable. Someone said it is my CD so I bought a new one. Still the > same. I > thought it might be my computer so I I went to the Family history Library > and It > did the same thing and nobody there knew how to do it. I have back ups > on > floppys but need them on CD's for new Computer, HELP!!! Thanks Becky > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > PAF @ FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/paf/ > >

Can anyone tell me how to back up my files to a CD ? I have tried going to file, backup, save to, CD_RW Drive E . It says the E drive is not Accessable. Someone said it is my CD so I bought a new one. Still the same. I thought it might be my computer so I I went to the Family history Library and It did the same thing and nobody there knew how to do it. I have back ups on floppys but need them on CD's for new Computer, HELP!!! Thanks Becky

Hi Carolyn, You will need to be specific about which report you ar referring to. If you referring to the Individual Summary Report - this does list marriages for the individual but it does not list children - logic being (I suppose) that individuals do not have children - but couples do. The children will be listed in the Family Group Report for the couple concerned. A child can be linked to a set of biological parents and to a set of adoptive parents --- and will show up as a child in both family groups --- check out the "Add" - other parents feature. Regards, Stewart -----Original Message----- From: richcar@cfl.rr.com [mailto:richcar@cfl.rr.com] Sent: 10 July 2005 15:14 To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] Children seem to be missing Hi, Can someone help me with this problem. When printing a report for an individual does it not show that they had children? There are 3 marriages involved. One child born to the first husband, that child was adopted by the second stepfather and another child was born. This all shows up fine in family charts. Then the lady has a third marriage which none of her children show up, which should be correct. (Unless is there a way to list the children as his step-children! Don't seem to find anything about listing stepchildren.) Anyway back to the problem. When I go print a report for the lady it does not show that she has any children at all when she has 2 natural children. Shouldn't they show up on her report? Thanks in advance for your help. Carolyn ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== RootsWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/

Hi Melanie, One way to link to the other set of parents is to highlight the child in question on the Family screen - from the main menu ---- Search > Descendancy List --- the resultant sub-window will show both families that the child is linked to --- in this sub-window, select any other individual (i.e., one of the other parents) and press OK, will revise the Family screen to have the selected individual in the main parent position with their associated family. I find it very easy to use this to swap between family views and like a lot of PAF features, is easier in practice than the explanation! This feature is also an alternative means of navigating around your database. Good luck. Stewart -----Original Message----- From: Melanie Petersen [mailto:melaniepetersen23@hotmail.com] Sent: 10 July 2005 15:22 To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] Viewing secondary parents in the family view Is there a way to view secondary parents (such as biological when adopted are set as the primary set of parents) from the family view. You can click on the "other parents" icon, but this won't let you open up their record for viewing. It only lets you add, unlink sets of parents. The only way I can see to get into the record it to click on the individual tab and search for those parents. Is there an easier, more direct way? Thanks, Melanie ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== RootsWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/

Hello Everybody, Thanks to Alan Jones and other listers who sent me advice on how to merge one person entered twice with of course two RIN numbers. The advice worked so thanks again for the assistance. Rod Whale, Andover, England.

Hello Everybody, I have one male individual with RIN number 497. I have another individual with the same name with RIN number 800. I have now established that they are the same person who married twice eighteen years apart and there are children from each marriage but from the first one I have no grandchildren discovered but there are some from the second marriage. Can someone please explain in idiot proof language how I can remove one RIN number for the individual without affecting the other persons in the two families. I have been unable to find the answer from Help tab. Thanks in anticipation, Rod Whale, Andover.

A RIN number identifies people by giving them each their own number in your own database, a useful tool when working in the database. However, there is nothing really unique about that number because if you ever split your database or share some of your data with someone else, the RIN number will change. A different identifying number that IS unique sometimes comes up when you are merging two people, the Ancestral File Number (AFN). Because I want to know when a person is listed multiple times in the LDS Ancestral File database, I make a tagged note, "ADTNL_AFN:", and list any "additional Ancestral File Numbers" in my notes. Even though I know that the Ancestral File database is a dinosaur that is not documented and therefore unreliable, I still like to know which of my ancestors is listed there and keep their unique numbers available so I can find them in the database should I ever find the need. Sherrie clargo wrote: > Hello Everybody, > > I have one male individual with RIN number 497. > I have another individual with the same name with RIN number 800. > I have now established that they are the same person who married twice eighteen years apart and there are children from each marriage but from the first one I have no grandchildren discovered but there are some from the second marriage. > > Can someone please explain in idiot proof language how I can remove one RIN number for the individual without affecting the other persons in the two families. > I have been unable to find the answer from Help tab. > > Thanks in anticipation, Rod Whale, Andover. > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > AVG Anti-Virus Users > Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner tab. > > >

Hi, Can someone help me with this problem. When printing a report for an individual does it not show that they had children? There are 3 marriages involved. One child born to the first husband, that child was adopted by the second stepfather and another child was born. This all shows up fine in family charts. Then the lady has a third marriage which none of her children show up, which should be correct. (Unless is there a way to list the children as his step-children! Don't seem to find anything about listing stepchildren.) Anyway back to the problem. When I go print a report for the lady it does not show that she has any children at all when she has 2 natural children. Shouldn't they show up on her report? Thanks in advance for your help. Carolyn

Open PAF database Click TOOLS Select Match/Merge In the Merge Individuals dialog box that pops up have the tab Individual Information selected (this should be the default) Click FIND on the left In the Find Individual dialog box that pops up enter teh RIN number of one of them (I would pick the one with the most information) Click OK Now on the right hand side of the Merge Individual box, click FIND In the new Find Indivdual box, enter the second RIN number, Click OK Now back in the Merge Individuals box click the MERGE button. DONE! Alan Jones Mission Viejo, Calif. -----Original Message----- From: clargo [mailto:clargo@tinyworld.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:37 AM To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] How to correct one person with two RIN numbers please. Hello Everybody, I have one male individual with RIN number 497. I have another individual with the same name with RIN number 800. I have now established that they are the same person who married twice eighteen years apart and there are children from each marriage but from the first one I have no grandchildren discovered but there are some from the second marriage. Can someone please explain in idiot proof language how I can remove one RIN number for the individual without affecting the other persons in the two families. I have been unable to find the answer from Help tab. Thanks in anticipation, Rod Whale, Andover. ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== AVG Anti-Virus Users Disable the 'Certify outgoing messages' option via the E-mail Scanner tab.

Is there a way to view secondary parents (such as biological when adopted are set as the primary set of parents) from the family view. You can click on the "other parents" icon, but this won't let you open up their record for viewing. It only lets you add, unlink sets of parents. The only way I can see to get into the record it to click on the individual tab and search for those parents. Is there an easier, more direct way? Thanks, Melanie

Advanced Focus/Filter Select Individual Filter Define User Events Select User Event Field Type Source Does Not exist (radio button) OK OK Show Filtered List Only This correctly included the Std B,C,D,B events with no sources, as well as my custom events. Let us know if it works for you. Regina Barry * rmbarry1066@earthlink.net * http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rbarry4145/index.htm Man's mind is so formed that it is far more susceptible to falsehood than to truth. Desiderius Erasmus

Hi everyone - I've been through three stages in the divided database 'path' 1) had two different ones, one for my dad's family and one for my mom's. Then I began the work of going back and actually putting source data in both databases. When it became apparent that a lot of the work would be duplicate (duplicate sources, etc), I merged the two databases and now have one. I agree with the comments that one is just easier. 2) had a sep. db for my husbands family. this has actually worked out OK - all this research is in both different countries and different languages - dutch, norwegian, russian. this one is still distinct. 3) most importantly, a 'test db' where I can do merges, gedcoms, and other data-checking before I transfer it into the 'real db'. hope this helps. Regina Barry * rmbarry1066@earthlink.net * http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rbarry4145/index.htm Man's mind is so formed that it is far more susceptible to falsehood than to truth. Desiderius Erasmus

this is very close. this works fine for those individuals who have user events. but if there is no user event and only the std events then it does not filter to include them. thank you for the suggestion I will use this for those who have user events. there is a user event for birth but that seems to be different than the std event for birth. it would be nice if all events were the treated the same. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina Barry" <rmbarry1066@earthlink.net> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:59 AM Subject: [PAF-5] RE: Events, no source > Advanced Focus/Filter > Select Individual > Filter > Define > User Events > Select User Event Field Type > Source > Does Not exist (radio button) > OK > OK > Show Filtered List Only > > This correctly included the Std B,C,D,B events with no sources, as well as > my custom events. Let us know if it works for you. > > Regina Barry * rmbarry1066@earthlink.net * > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rbarry4145/index.htm > Man's mind is so formed that it is far more susceptible to falsehood than > to truth. Desiderius Erasmus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > PAF-5-USERS Mailing List > http://www.ausbdm.org/p5uindex.php >

Melanie, Not sure what your problem can be - but I have no trouble attaching pdf files either as an image for a source citation or as a scrapbook "picture" for an individual using the multi media attachment feature. On that basis, you should be able to work something out - or where you trying to do an "attachment" in some other way? Regards, Stewart -----Original Message----- From: Melanie Petersen [mailto:melaniepetersen23@hotmail.com] Sent: 09 July 2005 13:51 To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAF-5] PDF Files in PAF Is there a way to attach PDF files in PAF? A lot of my census records are saved on my computer this way. I tried to attach the files, but PAF said it didn't recognize the file type. Thanks, Melanie ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service http://www.familysearch.org/

Joe - apologies for sending this via the public-PAF notice board but as you can see from the jargon on top of my message below, I have had trouble using your email address from two of my email addresses ---- maybe you have a spam blocker set to block unrecognised email addresses? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: Mail Delivery System [mailto:Mailer-Daemon@mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com] Sent: 09 July 2005 16:48 To: stewart99@millarweb.org Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: thehornguy@bellsouth.net retry time not reached for any host after a long failure period ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: <stewart99@millarweb.org> Received: from [80.41.229.0] (port=4114 helo=Laptop) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DrHYx-000EDo-Rt for thehornguy@bellsouth.net; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 15:48:19 +0000 From: "Stewart Millar" <stewart99@millarweb.org> To: <thehornguy@bellsouth.net> Subject: FW: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:48:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcWEnMEj8mWzM1dfSF69ulmXC+qzzwAAIABg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Joe - having trouble with your email address (see below) - trying now to send from another of my email addresses in case the problem is at my end ----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Mail Delivery System [mailto:Mailer-Daemon@mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com] Sent: 09 July 2005 16:41 To: sm999@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: thehornguy@bellsouth.net retry time not reached for any host after a long failure period ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: <sm999@tiscali.co.uk> Received: from [80.41.229.0] (port=4068 helo=Laptop) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DrHRU-000BL1-D4 for thehornguy@bellsouth.net; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 16:40:36 +0100 From: "Stewart Millar" <sm999@tiscali.co.uk> To: "'thehornguy'" <thehornguy@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: [PAF-5] Dividing my PAF Files Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 16:42:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcWElRUqDMVAB4xzTfWdvEuQkXlrNwAAqedw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <00a201c58495$b3458b40$6101a8c0@launchmodem.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- Hi Joe, When you consider the info on "one" family line --- don't necessarily limit your visualisation of this to an ancestry view (going back in time), but consider also a descendancy view (coming forward in time). Considering my own family (combined single database for me and my wife) - have a look at my FH web site at www.millarweb.org --- And take a look at the "Family History" page --- there you will see that our family history is presented in two formats - a pedigree view (going back in time) and a descendancy view for each of our main end-of-line family names. The Descendancy reports presented here are generated by PAF for each of the main family names - currently 14 (7 for me and 7 for my wife's side) - these are the main means of communicating specific "family name" information with cousins having connections to the same family-name groups without being confused with any un-connected individuals/families from our other ancestral connections (what I think you are trying to achieve). This is all generated from the single PAF database. The data on the Descendancy reports can also be selected in PAF to generate gedcom files for those relatives that may want the data in a genealogical electronic format. The point made by Ross regarding one-name studies is a completely separate ball game to a personal family history data base - comparing apples and carrots, which I think he agrees with; for a personal family history I would strongly adhere to my previously stated views, namely, keep it all together in one database; as you can see from my web site, PAF can separate, analyse and report on any particular set of relations, name groups or descendancies that you are likely to need - all from one database. I hope this helps. Regards, Stewart -----Original Message----- From: thehornguy [mailto:thehornguy@bellsouth.net] Sent: 09 July 2005 15:52 To: Stewart Millar Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Dividing my PAF Files Hello, Stewart. Now, you have me thinking about that question, a bit differently!! Good comments!! My reason for wanting to do the four-way split on the one big data-base, is so that I can print each one, for 'work-sheet' hard copy purposes, or for info for (to) myself and anyone who is seeking the info on one family line, but who is not 'interested' in (kin to) any of the other lines and for whom the other 3/4ths of the total database is superfluous. Maybe you are correct, and the four parallel data bases would be problematic, but I surely had a lot of trouble using the one big one I had in the FTW files, so that had become an 'issue', whether it was just a personal 'gripe' or something a bit more real. I do understand that we each become a bit 'warped' about some idea or other,when it seems to be an alternative, and when it is not easy to actuate that idea, to then become 'frustrated' without real cause! Your point is well taken! I am now in self analysis mode!! Thanks! Joe DUKE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Millar" <sm999@tiscali.co.uk> To: <PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: RE: [PAF-5] Dividing my PAF Files > Hi Joe -- & others on this topic, > > I don't wish to unnecessarily upset people - and I have hesitated about > voicing my opinion on this - but as I've watched comments on this topic of > managing multiple data bases and being a PAF user since the beginning I have > tried to think of any advantages to this process. > > And I can think of none - even after watching the previous posts. > > Just why anyone would wish to do this is beyond me. It can only breed > problems --- exactly how your single data base is split --- how on earth you > manage to recombine it to pass on to your children --- how you deal with any > ancestral lines that occur in multiple databases -- the duplication of > data/sources between the generations where the split occurs --- never being > able to do a complete ancestral or descendancy analysis --- and what if your > children want to follow your example and have 4 databases based on their > grandparents, which of course are your parents - the merging and de-merging > is enough to give anyone a permanent headache. > > My unreserved recommendation is - don't do it. Keep a single database for > your family - you, your spouse and your children. When your children > (eventually) move on with their spouse and want to inherit the family > database - simply (!) merge yours and their spouses together. > > The old IT slogan of KISS has a lot going for it. > > Good luck, > > Stewart > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thehornguy [mailto:thehornguy@bellsouth.net] > Sent: 08 July 2005 14:57 > To: PAF-5-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAF-5] Dividing my PAF Files > > > Hello, Walt an others!! > > I very much appreciate your comments in the message with that subject line > shown above!! > > One of my own 'stumbling places' (after I had got a considerable amount of > data already in-put) with FTW was that I later decided I wanted to operate > with at least four data-base groups, as one person suggested, with my four > sets of GP couples. > > Now, I have also decided to take the FTW GEDCOM (In separate parts, if > possible) and transfer them into the PAF 5.2, one of the four GP couples > (plus the data for their ancestor group) at a time. > > I have not become very familiar with the PAF in-putting process, yet, so > there is still a good bit of 'learning curve' for me to get through. > > Is it better to do the GEDCOM, import it, and then split it into four > separate data-bases, or to split them into four before making the GEDCOM > files for transport?? Or, perhaps, the real question is, at which point > in the import process do (should) I make the four data-bases separate?? > And will that be easy to work with, or not, in the PAF system?? > > I appreciate all this chatting about the PAF, and am saving the entries > which seem to be most useful for me, so that I can go back and look them > over, as I go along. > > Thanks for your comments below, and before, and also now!! > > Joe DUKE > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <PAF-5-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <PAF-5-USERS-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 7:04 AM > Subject: PAF-5-USERS-D Digest V05 #134 > > > > ==== PAF-5-USERS Mailing List ==== > FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service > http://www.familysearch.org/ > > ______________________________

Stewart, Joe, and others who deal with a lot of descendants. If you keep track of descendants the way I do, you will appreciate the GenCharts for PAF program available at www.familyhistoryguide.com. To use this program it is best to have all your data and your spouse's data in one data file. This program will print lists and charts on the descendants of any couple in your data file (there are some limitations on the number of generations that can be printed in some cases. It prints some interesting lists and charts on the ancestors of any one in the data file also. It works only with the English version of PAF 5. It's such a neat add-on program that all PAF users should have a copy. Sorry if this sounds like an advertisement. I guess that's cause in a way it is. Lynn E. Mower LEM Enterprises > > > Hi Joe, > > When you consider the info on "one" family line --- don't necessarily limit > your visualisation of this to an ancestry view (going back in time), but > consider also a descendancy view (coming forward in time). > > Considering my own family (combined single database for me and my wife) - > have a look at my FH web site at www.millarweb.org --- > > And take a look at the "Family History" page --- there you will see that our > family history is presented in two formats - a pedigree view (going back in > time) and a descendancy view for each of our main end-of-line family names. > > The Descendancy reports presented here are generated by PAF for each of the > main family names - currently 14 (7 for me and 7 for my wife's side) - these > are the main means of communicating specific "family name" information with > cousins having connections to the same family-name groups without being > confused with any un-connected individuals/families from our other > ancestral connections (what I think you are trying to achieve). > > This is all generated from the single PAF database. The data on the > Descendancy reports can also be selected in PAF to generate gedcom files for > those relatives that may want the data in a genealogical electronic format.

Hi everyone, I didn't see that Henry Wheeler had posted his response to me to the whole list, so I thought I'd forward it on. It looks like there is a way to attach PDF files without manipulating the image or changing the file/image type. Thanks Henry! --Melanie ----Original Message Follows---- Hello Melanie, I saw your message on the mailing list. If you use the audio file feature you can attach a pdf image as a sound. Click on the "all files" at the bottom of the select box and tell PAF where you PDF file is. Also works as a video file. Henry